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Ali Sina vs. Mustafa Basheer
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| Same goes for shariah
laws. These seemingly barbaric practises have no place in modern
society. |
Your intellect is telling you the
right thing. Who gave you the intellect? Doesn’t it come from God? If so he
has given you a tool to distinguish the right from the wrong. If you don’t use
it and as the result follow the ways of perdition, it is your fault. As Galileo
said, if God did not want us to use our brain, why he would give it to us?
You have to acknowledge the divine
origin of your intellect. Knowledge and reason come from God. Ignorance comes
from non-God or Satan if you like that word. Anytime you shut down your brain
and believe in things that make no sense you distance yourself from God and get
closer to Satan.
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| With our imaan strong,
Mr Ali Sina, we believe first trusting fully in God and humbly admitting
that our knowledge and intelligence is limited and that we are prone to
errors, misjudgements and fallacies. |
That is true. But does that justify
believing in a charlatan and doing evil? Our intellect is limited but does this
justify to go against it? We are given a measuring tool to separate right from
wrong. It is imperfect but this does not mean we should through it away and do
without it. If the laws of Sharia and most of the gobbledygook in the Quran do
not make sense to you, isn’t this proof enough that the Qruan and Islam are
not from God?
| Quote: |
| How can anyone prove
these things??? How can I prove to you that buraq had the ability to
fly? How can I prove to you that Muhamamd(pbuh) split the moon? How can
I prove to you that Jinns exist? It is not reasonable to ask such
questions and expect a rational answer. Ofcourse we cant prove these
things! Not in a milli0on years and not with all the science in the
world. |
If you can’t prove them, then why
you should believe in the? Would you believe me if I declare to be a prophet of
God and say in this very moment as I am writing angels are circumvallating my
house and praising me for being the greatest messenger God has ever sent on
Earth? If not why not! What is your parameter to know which pretender is telling
the truth and which one is not? To my credit, I am a good person and unlike
Muhammad have never committed anything contrary to the Golden Rule. Unlike him I
have never raped anyone, I have never assassinated my opponents, never had
sexual feelings for little girls, never tortured people so they tell me where
they have hidden their wealth and never killed anyone and sleep with his wife on
the same day. By all accounts I am a good man and Muhammad was not. Why don’t
you believe in me and you decide to believe in a monster like Muhammad whose
actions were so despicable and vile?
| Quote: |
| You have to understand
that when you deal with religion you are inevitably going to run into
these myths and legends. |
Why should it be that way? Would a
benevolent God send guidance based on myths and legends and then punish rational
people who doubt them? It makes no sense. Is God playing pranks with us humans?
If he wanted us to believe in myths and legends why he gave us intelligence? Who
said just because Christians, Hindus and other religions believe in absurdities
we should too? If they are mistaken, how can we be right by committing the same
mistakes? Maybe it is time that everyone comes to the age of reason and leaves
aside these fairytales. But it is not fairytales that bother me; it’s hate
that bothers me. The reason I am against Islam is not because it is fairytale.
It’s because it is a hatemongering cult and a killing machine. It is one thing
to believe in fairytales and it’s quite another to kill for it. The belief in
Santa Clause does not hurt anyone, but the belief in Allah instills hate in the
believers and kills humans in huge numbers.
| Quote: |
| You can choose to
believe in them in a figurative way or discard them. |
Why should I force myself to
believe in things that are irrational and try to find a figurative meaning for
them? I can interpret the hateful teachings of Hitler also figuratively and
claim he was a messenger of love. Does that make sense? Who am I fooling? Why
should I interpret the stupidities of the Quran figuratively? Do I have to save
my belief in Muhammad at any cost? Even at the cost of fooling myself?
Why?
| Quote: |
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It is just as possible
to be a muslim and be rational. |
How? You already decried
reason and said, how fallible is human intellect. Obviously one cannot be
rational and believe in the absurdities of the Quran at the same time. You have
to twist the apparent meanings of many things in that book and try to find
esoteric meanings, interpreting them figuratively to sooth your intellect. What
is the figurative interpretation of the verse 4:34 that says beat your wife if
you fear disobedience? What is the figurative interpretation of slay the
unbelievers wherever you find them? Or don’t take the Jews and the Christians
as your awlia, or do not befriend even your brother and father if they like
disbelief above Islam or many other violent and stupid verses?
| Quote: |
| I repeat again that the
only thing you have to believe to be a muslim is in Allah. Everything
else is secondary. |
Why would I want to be a Muslim and
why should I believe in Allah?
The problem is that once you
believe in Allah, you have to believe also in his messenger and in his alleged
book. Once you do that you have to follow what the Quran says. How can you
disobey Allah? This leads you accepting all the violence in that book and makes
you prone to become a terrorist.
| Quote: |
| Is it important to know
who Muhammad(pbuh) was, what he did and how he lived. I think its
immaterial. |
How can it be immaterial? Here
we have a man who committed all imaginable crimes and claimed to be the best
example for all times and all mankind to follow and you say it is immaterial who
he was? What if he lied? What if it was Satan who visited him whispering in his
ears the Quran? What if this entire book is but a collection of Satanic Verses?
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