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Ali Sina vs. Mustafa Basheer
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I have less time and energy now with fasting and my
taraweeh prayers. But insha Allah I will respond to you all as and when I can.
First let me reply to Ali Sina.
Ali Sina
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| I am not after true Muslims with Imaan. I am after fake
Muslims with intellect. Believe me all of us who left Islam were not
true Muslims. After we came to see the true Islam we realized we are
fooling ourselves and left it. In our case our imaan was less than our
intellect so we left it. Those whose intellect is less than their faith
will remain Muslims and we are not even interested in them. So please
rest assured. Islam is not in danger. We are only culling the
intelligent people, those whose imaans is not strong out of Islam. This
is not a bad thing. You should be happy and thank us for that. |
So what you are saying is that you would follow your brain and not your heart.
Mr Sina, I hope you do realise our limitations as human beings. We are only a
speck in this universe of complexity. Now how do you know your
"intellect" is correct? How can you be certain your intelligence has
not betrayed you. I am glad you brought the subject of illusion. What we
percieve is very subjective and may not be the only outcome to a riddle. The
conclusion you come to, using your intelligence is very subjective. There are
still so many mysterious phenomenon in this world for which science has no
answers. My point is, what may seemingly look wrong or inappropriate may have a
hidden meaning/benefit we havent discovered yet. Allah alone knows. One day we
may come to figure it out, or maybe we may not. Take the case of polygamy-
limited polygamy is allowed in Islam. The upper limit has been fixed at 4 women
at a time. There are many arguments put forward justifying and showing the
benefits of such practise. I am not totaly convinced with the arguments. To me,
it would make more sense in polygamy to allow 2 women at a time rather than 4.
What ever pros muslim websites have given works best for 2 women rathen than
four. But, I am content with the knowledge that Allah has seen a reason for
this. With my limited common sense and intellect I can only see thus far and
conclude that monogamy is better or that polygamy be limited to 2 women at a
time and no more. Same goes for shariah laws. These seemingly barbaric practises
have no place in modern society. With our imaan strong, Mr Ali Sina, we believe
first trusting fully in God and humbly admitting that our knowledge and
intelligence is limited and that we are prone to errors, misjudgements and
fallacies.
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| In that case you don’t need imaan. Imaan or faith
means acceptance of a postulate without evidence. If you have evidence
then it is not faith but facts. If your facts are strong we will accept
them too. |
How can anyone prove these things??? How can I prove to you that buraq had the
ability to fly? How can I prove to you that Muhamamd(pbuh) split the moon? How
can I prove to you that Jinns exist? It is not reasonable to ask such questions
and expect a rational answer. Ofcourse we cant prove these things! Not in a
milli0on years and not with all the science in the world. You have to understand
that when you deal with religion you are inevitably going to run into these
myths and legends. Can the hindus come up with an explanation for Hanuman the
flying monkey? Can the Christians explain the virgin birth of Maryam? No. There
is no need to go into the details of it all. You can choose to believe in them
in a figurative way or discard them. It is just as possible to be a muslim and
be rational. I repeat again that the only thing you have to believe to be a
muslim is in Allah. Everything else is secondary.
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| Before when I used to read Muhammad raided cities and
killed the infidels I felt very proud that the messenger of Allah was
victorious and the infidels were defeated and humiliated. Now I put
myself in the shoes of those infidels and see how evil Muhammad had
been. I read the same stories but now I am changed. I don’t close my
eyes anymore to all that evil trying to justify automatically everything
Muhammad did just because my parents told me he is my prophet. Now I ask
what proof is there that he was a prophet. Where is the evidence that
this man was a prophet? It is then that I find no proof at all. There is
not even one single proof. So he could have been just a liar. And then
when I see his actions I see he was not just a liar but also a monster. |
Is it important to know who Muhammad(pbuh) was, what he did and how he lived. I
think its immaterial. Let us put everything behind us. Mr Sina, you were not
around, nor was I, to see what real happened and what did not. No one knows the
true story. The sira, tabari and hadith were written at least 200 years AFTER
the death of the prophet. God alone know what ommissions have been made, what
has been invented or distorted into them. It is very possible that the entire
biography of the prophet as reported by the early historians is completely wrong
with not an iota of truth in them. So lets put that behind us and move on. islam
is in shambles. think of how we can restore the image, honour and regain the
glory it once had. What we need now is reformation of Islam from within. We need
to get rid of the crazy mullahs who issue fatwahs not knowing what they are
doing!
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| And what if I win? You did not say what you would do if
I prove that Muhammad was not an honourable man. Would you be willing to
leave Islam and denounce it publicly? |
And just how are you going to do that? Are you going to use the same unreliable
sources of Sira, Tabari and Hadith collections??? Then I think you have already
won the debate. You have to prove now that the sources you use are reliable. Did
the events really take place. Did the prophet really say and do what he is
claimed to have said and done? I doubt it. These sirah that is available to us
is laughable. Do you think anyone who claims to be a prophet would have done
such silly and ridiculous things? Even if he was an imposter, wouldnt he try to
hide any acts of immorality out of fear of losing credibility?? I think that
should be proof that the sources are extremely unreliable.
Yes, prove that Allah does not exist and I will publicly denounce Islam. By
discovering flaws in the prophet's character you are only proving that he was a
bad person. You still don't prove that he was not a prophet, nor that Islam is
false. I don't understand, why is it not enough for you to simply believe that he
was just a man like us given a special duty by God. He had his own
shortcomings, but we are not to judge him, because that is the job of his
creator.
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