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Ali Sina vs. Mustafa Basheer
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| Let us put everything
behind us. Mr Sina, you were not around, nor was I, to see what real
happened and what did not. No one knows the true story. |
In that case, why I should believe
in Islam at all? Isn’t it possible that Arabs invented this whole story to
fool people, to conquer and dominate?
Give me one reason why I should
believe in Muhammad? Now that you even cast doubt on his very existence, why
should I force myself, reinterpret a bunch of absurd and violent verses to
believe in Islam?
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| islam is in shambles.
think of how we can restore the image, honour and regain the glory it
once had. |
Why should we do such thing? Why
would we have to save the image of Islam? Nazism
is also in shambles and has no honor. Would you also try to save it and restore
its past luster? As far as we know,
and can read from the history of Islam and understand from the Quran, Muhammad
was a psychopath narcissist. He was a criminal far worse than Hitler. Hitler had
some good qualities. For example, Hitler was not a sexual pervert or a
pedophile. Muhammad had no good qualities. Why we must save his cult and revive
it? He was an evil man, why would we want to remember him at all?
| Quote: |
| What we need now is
reformation of Islam from within. We need to get rid of the crazy
mullahs who issue fatwahs not knowing what they are doing! |
The first question for
which you have no answer is WHY! Why
we need to reform Islam? Why not reform Satanism, Nazism or other evil
doctrines? Isn't it better to eradicate them?
The second question is
HOW! How do you propose to reform Islam? To reform Islam you have to get rid of
the Quran. Apparently you already got rid of the history and haidth and don’t
even care about Muhammad himself although he said as a Muslim you should follow
his examples. Once you get rid of the Quran, what else is left? Why you have to
cling to this name that has brought so much pain and misery to millions in these
14 centuries?
| Quote: |
| Do you think anyone who
claims to be a prophet would have done such silly and ridiculous things?
Even if he was an imposter, wouldnt he try to hide any acts of
immorality out of fear of losing credibility?? I think that should be
proof that the sources are extremely unreliable. |
I am afraid you don’t know much
about cults and how they fool people. Please study them and compare them to
Islam. See how the cult leaders operate. You will be surprised to see the
similarity. In fact what Muhammad did was not unique. He followed a very
established pattern that all psychopath cultists follow. I have studied several
cults and have found recognizable patterns in all of them. Please
take a look at this
article where I compared Muhammad to Jim Jones.
If you read this article and others
that I wrote on this subject (much more you find in my upcoming book. I am now
looking for a literary agent) you will find the answer to that question. Yes
that is exactly how cultists operate and their foolhardy followers don’t lose
their faith. In fact the more obscene and violent the cultist becomes the more
believable he appears in the eyes of his deluded disciples. Amazingly all his extravagances
and vileness are seen as the signs of his divinity.
| Quote: |
| Yes, prove that Allah
does not exist and I will publicly denounce Islam. |
The burden of proof is
on the claimant. It is you who should prove that Allah exists and that he is
God.
Nonetheless I have
already proven that Allah is not God. The proof is in the Quran. My argument is
that the creator of this universe cannot be as stupid and as sadistic as the
author of the Quran appears to be. This is a convincing proof. It is not a proof
that God does not exist but it is proof that Allah is not the God.
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| By discovering flaws in
the prophet's character you are only proving that he was a bad person.
You still dont prove that he was not a prophet, nor that Islam is false. |
Would a loving and a wise God send
a pervert and a criminal to guide mankind to the right path?
Is the Quran the word of God or is
it the lies of this bad man prophet? If God is so stupid to send a bad man as a
messenger, what proof we have that this pervert prophet did not mix his own lies
with the real revelation? We have evidence that Muhammad was a dishonorable man.
Could he not have lied when he said the Quran is from God?
On various occasion the Quran
claims that Muhammad has sublime morals 68:4
and orders Muslims to follow his “good example”. 33:21
Are these verses from God or are they the lies that Muhammad interjected
in the Quran? If these are lies, could other parts of the Quran be also lies? If
they are true, then how can one explain the Sira (biography of Muhammad) and
hadith where he is portrayed as a monster? If the Sira and Hadith are false,
what happened to the true history of Islam and Muhammad? Where is that real
history that shows Muhammad indeed had sublime morals, was an honorable man and
a good example to follow? If we believe in your claim that the flaws in
the character of Muhammad does not invalidate his claim to prophethood, then
what do you say of the above verses? How come the Quran says he had sublime
morals when his biography belies this claim? Whom should we believe? The
testimony of his own followers in the Sira or his own self adulating words in
the Quran? If you say the Quran is the word of God, I ask you to show me the
proof. How can we believe in a book when we can’t even trust his author?
| Quote: |
| I don't understand, why
is it not enough for you to simply believe that he was just a man like
us given a special duty by God. |
That would be foolish. Why don’t
you believe in me? You need proof, and so do we. You can’t prove I am not a
messenger of God because at least morally I qualify to be a messenger of God. I
am genuinely an honest and kind hearted person, I am not selfish and not an evil
man. But I can prove Muhammad could not have been a messenger of God because he
was the embodiment of evil. Why would I want to believe in such man who brought
a book as stupid as the Quran that even you agree needs to be interpreted
figuratively and taken with some salt and pepper when it come to telling Muslims
how to deal with non-believers?
| Quote: |
| He had his own
shortcomings, but we are not to judge him, because that is the job of
his creator |
I am not asking you to judge him. I
am asking you why you believe in him! How can one believe in a man as vile as
him who wrote such stupid book of nonsense?
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