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Ali Sina vs. Mustafa Basheer
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| But I am not convinced, nor would any true muslim with
imaan be swayed by any of your arguments |
Dear Mustafa,
Thank you for your message. I have good news for you. I am not after true
Muslims with Imaan (faith). I am after fake Muslims with intellect. Believe me
all of us who left Islam were not true Muslims. After we came to see the true
Islam we realized we are fooling ourselves and left it. In our case our imaan
was less than our intellect so we left it. Those whose intellect is less than
their faith will remain Muslims and we are not even interested in them. So
please rest assured. Islam is not in danger. We are only culling the intelligent
people, those whose imaans are not strong out of Islam. This is not a bad thing.
You should be happy and thank us for that.
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| You may impress the common folk who are muslim by name, |
I just said the same thing.
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| MashaAllah I have enough knowledge about islam to defend
my faith, its founder prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and the muslim ummah of
any wrong-doings! And that is exactly what I intend to do here. |
In that case you don’t need imaan. Imaan or faith means acceptance of a
postulate without evidence. If you have evidence then it is not faith but facts.
If your facts are strong I will accept them too.
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| I know your friends have requested Dr Zakir Naik for a
debate. Apparantly he refused citing many reasons for it. One of his
conditions was that you raise the stake to a million dollars!!! I cannot
speak for Dr Naik- was it his greed, fear of losing, fear of
embarrassment, persecution- I dont know what prompted Dr Naik to make
such a statement. I feel he should not have let go of this opportunity
to defend Islam given the popularity of your site and the impact it can
have on the Islamic circle and the the rest world at large. |
I am suddenly humbled. I am not being sarcastic here but I am truly impressed by
your sense of fairness. Believe me it is very rare to see this much honesty. I
salute you for not trying to bring excuses for Dr. Naik like other Muslims who
say “he does not think you are worthy to debate with,” or “why you don’t
agree to have face to face debate”, etc. This shows you are genuinely a
fair-minded person and I already like you.
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| Anyway, Dr Sina, I am no Zakir Naik. |
You should be very happy for that. This man, unlike you, is a showman. You seem
to be honest, he is not. Don’t think he knows more than you. He has mastered
the art of showmanship better than you and I but he is not a scholar. Even if we
assume that he has memorized the Quran, this does not make him a scholar. There
are thousands of kids who have memorized the Quran. This does not make them any
more intelligent than other kids their age. Dr. Naik, to his advantage, has also
mastered the art of showmanship and this is his secret of success. In a true
intellectual written debate, he will be quashed. Dr. Campbell quashed him
already, but he resorted to his theatrics and claimed victory. Anyone who
listens carefully to their debate can see Dr. Campbell was the winner. But his
Muslim audience did not pay attention to what was said but HOW it was said and
they cheered him, applauded and felt so victorious when in reality he was the
loser.
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| I am just an ordinary Muslim who would like for you to
present a chance so that I can fix some of the problems you(ex-muslims)
and non muslims have with Islam, its prophet and its teachings. |
Believe me, we are also ordinary people. We were ordinary Muslims like you and
now we are ordinary non-Muslims. Our knowledge really is not more than yours,
but we see things under different light.
Take a look at this optical illusion. It is the same image. But if you look
carefully you can see a young woman or an old woman.
We read the same Quran and hadith that you read but now we see the other image
that before we could not see and did not want to see. All you have to do is
change your paradigm and evaluate Islam and Muhammad under the light of logics
and fairness.
Before when I used to read Muhammad raided cities and
killed the infidels I felt very proud that the messenger of Allah was victorious
and the infidels were defeated and humiliated. Now I put myself in the shoes of
those infidels and see how evil Muhammad had been. I read the same stories but
now I am changed. I don’t close my eyes anymore to all that evil trying to
justify automatically everything Muhammad did just because I am told he is a
prophet. Now I ask what proof is there that he was a prophet. Where is the
evidence that this man was a prophet? It is then that I find no proof at all.
There is not even one single proof. So he could have been just a liar or a
psychopath with mental disease. He had some mental experiences that he
interpreted as revelation. And then when I see his actions I see he was not just
a liar but also a monster.
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| So if you are ready, Dr Sina I am. Where shall we start? |
You can start right in this forum. Friends here know as much as I do and perhaps
more.
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| I would like you to simply admit defeat when I have
proven you wrong. |
You have my word on that.
And what if I win? You did not say what you would do if I prove that Muhammad
was not an honorable man. Would you be willing to leave Islam and denounce it
publicly?
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