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A debate between
Ali Sina
and
Dr. G. R. Farhad Assar
Edinburg, Scotland, UK
Email: [email protected]
(second email)
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There is little point in biting about the bush.
You expect people to prove to you certain points and at the same
time disprove others so as to compel you to shut down your site
partially or totally. Yet you don't give your critics the same right
to ask you to prove certain points to them.
Can't you see a clear case of double-standards
here? For the sake of argument let us suppose that you are
absolutely correct about your accusations regarding Mohammad's
personality and that Quran is just a load of rubbish, Islam incites
violence leading to terrorism and suicide bombing, etc., and Allah
is basically the figments of the imagination of a mentally and
morally sick man. That is fine. Then why can't you, with all your
theological background and claims to scientific knowledge, prove any
of the points I raised in my note? Are you sure Moses didn't sleep
with under age girls? Are you sure he too wasn't a psychopath? Are
you confident that he didn't incite violence, etc.? After all, Moses
too insisted that his followers should believe in the god of heaven
and hell, that is precisely the same god that Mohammad asked Muslims
to follow albeit he called him differently (Allah in place of Yahova).
Didn't he? What about the points I raised against Jesus? Could you
answer please? And if you can't or refuse to respond to those points
then let people like myself judge you and your character not the
uneducated characters who can't even write their own names properly.
You talk of Muslim terrorists and suicide bombers as if Islam breeds
these or inculcates killing in his followers. Aren't Zionist and
Christian terrorists murdering innocent people in the name of
democracy and freedom all over the world even when you are reading
these lines? If you are so sure of your arguments then please post
my notes on your site and let your supporters respond to the
questions I have raised. You seem to have deliberately overlooked
the extent of killing, destruction and genocide committed by the
Zionist and Christian terrorists all over the world. At the same
time, you have wittingly brushed aside the root causes of terrorism.
I touched upon some of these in my previous note. Yet, alas you did
not want to acknowledge those plain facts.
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It is not my business to defend Christianity or
Judaism. You should demand this from the believers of these faiths. Even if
Moses and Jesus were false, this dose not justify following a third false
prophet. If all the three are false, then leave all of them.
But how
can you say I do not give my critics the same chance to disprove me when
the forum of this site is open to everyone and as you noticed people of
all beliefs and disbeliefs are posting freely? At first Muslims used to
come a lot, but now they don’t. Why not? The forum is open to them too.
Why they avoid us? The reason is because they know they can’t defend
Islam logically. I can go to any Islamic forum (if they allow me) and
debate with all of them and win. Here
is one example for you to see:
Why Muslims can't do the same here?
| Why haven't you pointed out the atrocities committed by the
Zionist and Christian terrorists too on your website? Are you afraid
of losing face or having your support stopped? Your arguments
against Islam have far too many holes in them. In other words they
are manifestly biased and tainted with hatred. I strongly believe
that you have purposely shied away from criticism of your views and
comments, and done your utmost to hide the truth. At the same time
you have endeavoured to bend and twist the reasons behind what is
happening around us in the world. Haven't you heard about
"cause and effect"? Don't you know there is at least a
single reason for any action in the universe? Where are your
scholarly postings about the causes of terrorism? Have you
discovered a gene in the genetic make-up of Muslims that leads them
to mass murder and suicide bombing? If you have, why haven't you
proudly announced your discovery to the world at large in order to
enable the scientist to find a remedy for such abominable acts? And
if you sincerely believe that suicide bombing is not in Muslims'
genes and that it is not an infectious Islamic disease then why
haven't you fairly and squarely addressed the reasons why a Muslim
becomes a suicide bomber and kills people left and right in the
belief that he/she will ascend in to God's paradise? I have no doubt
in my mind that Muslims are not born as murderers and suicide
bombers. They are forced to become so by the actions of the Zionist
and Christian terrorists, i.e. those who perpetrate the most heinous
crimes in the name of democracy and freedom. |
Where
are those Zionist and Christian terrorists? All we see are news of the
beheadings, child massacres and suicide bombings of Muslims.
Yes
I have discovered the reason for the Islamic terror. No, it is not in the
genes of the Muslim, it is in their faulty education, it is in their
religion.
Muslims
are reactionaries and respond with terror because their prophet was a
terrorist and that is what he taught them. Islamic terrorism has nothing
to do with what others do. If Israel and America did not exist, Muslims
would have found other targets. What Hindus in India and Indonesia have
done to Muslims? Why they are constant targets of terrorism?
A
Million people died in the war between Iran and Iraq. Saddam invaded
Kuwait, killed and raped the Kuwaitis. He poisoned Iranians and his own
people. Over 50,000 Sudanese are killed and over 1,000,000 of them have
become homeless. Algerian Islamists constantly kill hundreds of civilians.
In Pakistan the Sunnis constantly murder the Shiites. Egypt used poison
gas on Yemenis in the 60’s. The Syrian dictator, the now dead Assad,
killed tens of thousands of his own people in El Hamma. In Afghanistan the
Taliban maimed and killed thousands of people. The late King Hussein of
Jordan killed thousands of Palestinian refugees in his country. Khomeini
ordered 3000 young boys and girls to be executed in one day and killed
hundreds of thousands of them in total. None of that had anything to do
with America, Israel or Europe. It is a mistake to try to find someone
responsible in Washington, Tel Aviv or anywhere else for all the crimes
that Muslims commit.
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My advice to you is to go back and read my note
carefully. It seems you did not fully appreciate or comprehend what
I'd written and expected in return as responses to my queries. Why
did you just pick out one point out of a long list to suit your own
arguments? Wouldn't this make you look like a slave to Zionist and Christian terrorists? Are you frightened that
some of the holes in your arguments may be exposed if you respond to
my enquiries?
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I
have responded to all the points that you raised.
| Let me tell you this Dr. Sina. What you have posted on your site
is "copy-righted" by Abu Sofian. It has got nothing to do
with you. So, regrettably, you have produced nothing with your own
trade mark. You have simply copied someone else's ideas (to put it
politely). Over 1300 years ago Abu Sofian and his followers coined
all of the words and phrases you now claim to be yours. |
You
are absolutely right. I have stated this several times that the questions
that I raise are old. They are as old as Islam and it were the
freethinkers of Quriash, such as Abu Sofian and Abul Hakam who raised
these questions first. The reason I am raising them again is because they
were never answered. Muhammad killed those who questioned him,
conquered them and then imposed his cult on them.
The
night before invading Mecca, Abu Sofian went to see Muhammad in his
encampment at the outskirts of Mecca. Muhammad asked him whether he had
any doubts that there is no other gods but Allah. “No”, Abu Sofian
quipped, “if they existed they would have come to our help by now”. “Do
you have any doubt that I am the messenger of Allah?” Muhammad queried.
"As to this thing, there is yet in my heart some hesitancy,"
responded Abu Sofian, "Woe to you!" exclaimed Abbas, the uncle of
both men, who had just joined the army of Muhammad
"it is no time for hesitancy. Believe
and testify at once to the truth of Islam, or else your head shall be
severed from your body!" It was, indeed, no time for idle
pride or scruple; and so Abu Sofian, seeing no alternative left to him,
repeated the formula of belief in Allah and in his Prophet.
This
is how Islam has proven its truth -- with the edge of the sword and not
with logics. But those old
questions were never answered. I have never claimed ownership to the
questions that I have raised. As you say they are old. They are as old as
Islam. But they have remained unanswered and that is why I am raising them
again. After
1400 years of dodging, now is time to answer them.
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With due respect, you have proven that an
"empty barrel makes more noise". You have also confirmed
what our illustrious poet, Sheikh Mosleheddin Moshrefeddin Sa'di
Shirazi recited that
Chaar paa-yee bar-oo ketaabi chand –
Na mohaghghegh bovad na daaneshmand".
[Sina’s translation: A four legged
donkey loaded with books, is neither a sage nor a doctor]
In other words, you can put as much lip-stick
as you wish on a pig but it will still be a pig.
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I
could not agree more.
However a donkey loaded with books will be defeated if he argues with a
man with understanding.
You
choose to believe in a man who claims to be a prophet with no proof.
Despite the fact that he enriched himself by killing and looting innocent
people and raped any woman he desired. None of that raises any question in
your mind that perhaps he might have been an impostor. And when asked for
proof of his claim, you have none.
Now
tell me who is the donkey here?
| Let me insist that if you sincerely believe in the validity of
your arguments then you are obliged to post my notes on your
website. |
Done!
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