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trubluearthling
Joined: 31 Dec 2003
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Location: New Kafirland
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Wed Jan 07, 2004 5:18 pm
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Good to see adnan
here. Where is bush badee? He was last seen bickering with
adnan in Garbage Can. Can somebody invite him here right
into the thick of action. Anyone seen CroMagnon lately? He
is wanted here too.
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Ali
Sina
Joined: 15 Feb 2002
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Wed Jan 07, 2004 5:58 pm
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| Normally I wouldn't dare posting
from PM's but since we have a fraud on our hands
that actually misused my quotes to make them say
the opposite of their intented meaning I thought
it prudent to let you all know |
Private messages are private only when they talk about
private things. I do receive such messages and you never
see them. However, Nadir’s message to you was about
Islam and not private in nature.
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| he is also a liar when he tries to
pass my comments off as supportive for his
'chance' argument. |
I would not say Mr. Ahmed is an
honest person. But in this case he did not pass your
comments as to buttress his own due to dishonesty. Mr.
Ahmed obviously has problem with comprehension, otherwise
your message was very clear.
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l
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Joined: 16 Aug 2002
Posts: 1748
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Wed Jan 07, 2004 6:18 pm
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| trubluearthling wrote: |
| Good to see adnan here. Where is
bush badee? He was last seen bickering with adnan
in Garbage Can. Can somebody invite him here right
into the thick of action. Anyone seen CroMagnon
lately? He is wanted here too. |
Maybe I can get busbadee back.
Our friend bushy says he is 72 years young, and jumps on
his young spring-chiken at each opportunity and has a 12
year old son.
So he is busy needs rest and is therefore excused for
taking time off frequently.
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bread
Joined: 26 Jul 2003
Posts: 1981
Location: Eurasia
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Wed Jan 07, 2004 6:34 pm
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Dear 11, that was not
nice. It doesnt belong here and it is offtopic anyway.
As for the ``debate`` carried on with Mr. Nadir, is it
over?
If it is still ongoing, I would like to take part in it.
Espectially about his claims regarding iron.
If Im not mistaken, he lciamed that to produce just one
atom of irn, it would take 4 times the energy contained in
our solar ssystem??
If I misread it, please correct me. If that was correctly
quoted, then could Mr. Nadir provide some proof for this
claim? I would be very interested to find out about it. 
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Bread, proudly a former Muslim who saw the light.Islam is
the only personality cult dedicated to a dead man,
MuhamMAD. MuhamMAD is the only paedophile, antisemite,
ethnic cleanser and rapist who is worshipped and praised
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yeezevee
Joined: 20 May 2002
Posts: 2648
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Wed Jan 07, 2004 9:44 pm
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Bread: ...If it is still ongoing,
I would like to take part in it. Espectially about
his claims regarding iron.
If Im not mistaken, he lciamed that to produce
just one atom of irn, it would take 4 times the
energy contained in our solar ssystem??
If I misread it, please correct me. If that was
correctly quoted, then could Mr. Nadir provide
some proof for this claim? I would be very
interested to find out about it. |
Hi Bread, It doesn't matter whether the debate is going or
not…. most of you Physicists should clean out the
garbage from the minds of High School dropouts, …such as
Iron from Allaha to PUBH to human race.... you cannot see
your hand 1000 meter down the ocean and it is Noble Prize
winning discovery from Q'uran that too it came to
Mohammad.. These things we should have in resource center
as comment/Article for High school drop outs yet experts
in Allaha sent Q'uranic Science.. It is really surprising
some one with the background such as Nadir describing
these commonsense observations as Advanced Science ...
with best
yeeezevee |
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l
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Joined: 16 Aug 2002
Posts: 1748
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Wed Jan 07, 2004 10:54 pm
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Dear 11, that was not nice. It
doesnt belong here and it is offtopic anyway.
If I misread it, please correct me.: |
That was not intended as an insult. NO. Someone wished
buhbadee was around and I vlunteered to help bring back.
I repeated what bushbadee had said to to describbe himself
in one of his posts. I just replaced a "young
wife" for "spring-chicken". All other stuff
were from busbadee's post.
I had a great uncle (he is dead now may God rest him in
peace. I apologize if non believers get offended) who had
married a very young wife when he was in his early
seventies. He had five children from that wife in rapid
succession. We used to joke with him about it. He enjoyed
the humor, was very witty and always managed to turn the
jokes on us.
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If that was correctly quoted, then
could Mr. Nadir provide some proof for this claim?
I would be very interested to find out about it.
:wink:
bread, |
I lost you here.
I have not followed Mr. Nadir's debate here so I realy do
not know what you are referring to.
I just stumbled on following post in this thread and
responded the way I responded
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trubluearthling wrote:
Good to see adnan here. Where is bush badee? He
was last seen bickering with adnan in Garbage Can.
Can somebody invite him here right into the thick
of action. Anyone seen CroMagnon lately? He is
wanted here too. |
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Nadir_ahmed
Joined: 03 Jan 2004
Posts: 8
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Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:31 am
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http://examinethetruth.com/Challenge_Sina.htm
more to come...
I can kinda figure, that Ali Sina will never post this
debate the debate folder.... but thats ok, this will be
available on my website, not lost in some discussion
forum...
Robert Morey said, Its always the winning side which will
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love
Joined: 17 Oct 2003
Posts: 21
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Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:01 am
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i think this is not
fair .Mr Nadir Ahmed should have posted Ali Sina's second
response on his website like he did with the first
response.
he could have atleast given link to ali sina's second
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jonny2mad
Joined: 07 Aug 2002
Posts: 159
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Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:02 am
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as a non muslim
whether mohammed burned books or not isnt to me a big deal
what Id like to see is someone disprove the main points
this site makes about mohammed
Ive been posting here for over a year I think, and no one
has so far 
and then when I asked the sort of questions this site
brings up on islamic sites they banned me
which was a shock
the science and koran debate seems pretty secondary to me
really
but good luck with it |
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Piggy
Joined: 21 Jul 2003
Posts: 1115
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Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:06 am
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| Nadir_ahmed wrote: |
more to come...
I can kinda figure,
that Ali Sina will never post this debate the
debate folder.... but thats ok, this will be
available on my website, not
lost in some discussion forum...
Robert Morey said, Its always the winning side
which will post the debate |
There are probably lots of
things you can 'kinda figure', keep at it, one day you
might figure it out.
It won't be lost here Nadir, rest
assured it will stand monumental, as a testimony of the
pure idiocy of islamist, misplaced duty and loyalty to
probably the greatest hoax ever in the history of
humanity.
Looks like Robert Morey's "always" theory is
down the gurgler, the more you say the deeper you go
Nadir, and it will make for some interesting reading the
debate folder, if it eventually is worthy, so far your
low-level nonesense has only made "garbage can"
status.
Quote:
"I am trying not to be a jerk"....that's OK, I
know you can't help it, it seems to just come naturally
for you. 
Relax and be a jerk, it's funny.
You don't moon-light as a clown by any chance?
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seek the truth and endeavor to live in the truth"
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Misnomer
Joined: 19 Nov 2003
Posts: 51
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Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:21 pm
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CAUGHT RED HANDED:
Ali Sina caught in a atrocious LIE.
www.ExamineTheTruth.com
ExamineTheTruth.com decided to call Ali Sina’s
bluff, and take him on regarding his challenge:
"I invite you to disprove my accusations of
Muhammad and Islam. If you can show that what I
say is unfounded I promise to remove this site not
before confessing that I was wrong and Islam is a
true religion." - Ali Sina
http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates.htm
Ali Sina stated the following in our online debate
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"Muhammad and his followers destroyed all the
books that belonged to the pre Islamic era of
"jahiliyyah". If no other book prior to
Muhammad mentions this city it is because Muhammad
burned those books."
My response:
What the..... this is a complete LIE !!!!!!! Now,
Ali Sina, by the grace of God, you have been
exposed as a liar just like Robert Morey:
http://www.examinethetruth.com/morey_challenge.htm
I am challenging you.... to show your evidence for
this statement which you have made, if you can
not, then this will expose you as a liar once and
for all.
rather, we have several examples of PRE ISLAMIC
POETRY:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/poetry.html
http://www.georgetown.edu/departments/arabic/bonnah.htm
Ali Sina responded:
"The history reports the burning of the
libraries in virtually all the countries that
Muslims invaded. The most famous one of then was
the huge library of Alexandria."
My response:
Prophet Muhammed(P) DID NOT burn this library
down, NOR did he ever teach to burn libraries! You
know that very well Ali Sina. Do not try to divert
our attention to irrelevant information.
Furthermore, this library existed in Egypt, not
Arabia! What library was burned in Arabia? You
specifically accused the Prophet of Islam, Prophet
Muhammed(P), and you claimed ALL THE LIBRARIES.
"According to Taha Hussain Muslims destroyed
all pre Islamic books and then fabricated poetries
and words to justify the errors of the grammar of
the Quran."
Quite frankly, Taha Hussain …..and Paul Newton
can kiss my brown #$@.
Furthermore, these clowns never claimed that
Prophet Muhammed(P) destroyed pre Islamic books.
Dear God, you lied on Taha Hussain also???? Is
there any end to your distortions??
"Mr. Ahmed asks me to remove my website if I
can’t prove what I say is true. I have proven
everything I say about Muhammad and the Quran is
true"
You have proved NOTHING. You have not shown us
that PROPHET MUHAMMED(P) WAS INVOLVED IN BOOK
BURNINGS, AND DESTROYED ALL BOOKS IN ARABIA AS YOU
FALSLY ACCUSED HIM OF. NOR HAVE YOU SHOWN US ANY
TEACHING FROM ISLAM WHICH TELLS MUSLIMS TO BURN
PRE ISLAMIC BOOKS. All you have done, is shown
everyone who reads this post that you are a worse
liar than our original prognoses. Not only that,
but you do not hesitate to twist facts and read
into texts WHAT IS NOT THERE. Folks, Remember what
I have said about this foul man and his lying and
misrepresentation…… it is his Nature.
And this is why we at ExamineTheTruth.com knew
that our original challenge to Ali Sina was a
"sure thing",it was not a gamble at all
on our part, because, believe me, just like Dr.
Robert Morey, we know people like Ali Sina better
than they know themselves, and it was going to be
only a matter of time…………… till we catch
them. |
Pathetic. It won't make the debate folder because all
Nadir can muster is melodrama.
Dr. Sina said:
| Ali Sina wrote: |
| Muhammad and his followers... |
Nadir said:
| Nadir_ahmed wrote: |
| this is a complete LIE ! |
Nadir apparently has trouble on how to define a lie. He
provided two links to alleged pre-Islamic poetry, which
everyone here including Ali has told him there is no
poetry to be found at those links. He again then posted
those links in reply. It seems Nadir is the one who is
stretching the truth.
Dr Sina said:
| Ali Sina wrote: |
| The history reports the burning of
the libraries in virtually all the countries that
Muslims invaded. The most famous one of then was
the huge library of Alexandria. |
Then Nadir replied:
| Nadir_ahmed wrote: |
| Prophet Muhammed(P) DID NOT burn
this library down, NOR did he ever teach to burn
libraries! You know that very well Ali Sina. Do
not try to divert our attention to irrelevant
information. Furthermore, this library existed in
Egypt, not Arabia! What library was burned in
Arabia? You specifically accused the Prophet of
Islam, Prophet Muhammed(P), and you claimed ALL
THE LIBRARIES. |
Not only is Nadir lying that Ali said Muhammad burned down
the library in Cairo but Nadir should know that no one has
accused Muhammad personally of invading other countries.
Nadir has ignored all responses to a debate which he feels
he must be losing and trumps up a false charge of lying
against Ali in hopes of diverting the readers attention.
Nadir has intentionally ignored the phrase "and his
followers" in hopes to win an emotional argument.
Nadir must not have a complete grasp of the usage of the
English language, as evident from his use of
conversational style tone and reliance on emoticons. The
term "Muhammad and his followers" is
appropriate. Much as the term "Saddam and his
regime" is used and the group held responsible for
all atrocities commited in the name of their own idealogy.
Saddam and his regime are responsible for all the mass
murders, rapes, tortures, false-imprisonments, and
unprovoked wars they have commited. Just as Muhammad and
his followers are responsible for all deaths, pillaging,
and the plague we now suffer known as Islam commited in
the name of their own idealogy, Allah.
edit: All please take notice how Dr Sina was correct in
the mentality that the muslim apologist would bring to the
table and also Nadir has completely abandoned attempting
to win this debate via intellectually overcoming the
opposing arguements. Are the readers all now to doubt
Nadir's intention of proving the Quran is the word of
Allah through scientific proofs?
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yeezevee
Joined: 20 May 2002
Posts: 2648
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Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:27 pm
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Nadir Ahmed: http://examinethetruth.com/Challenge_Sina.htm
more to come...
I can kinda figure, that Ali Sina will never post
this debate the debate folder.... but thats ok....
Robert Morey said, Its always the winning side
which will post the debate |
what debate dear nadir?.. nevertheless it deserves to be
posted in FFI.. the suitable place for that is here
http://www.faithfreedom.org/comments/MComments.htm
We will read your stuff.. but do yourself a favor, as an
educated fellow human being I would expect you to take out
the comments at your web site..
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"I
try to interprete Islam in a language that nigger
Muslims understand.
As far as I am concerned all Muslims are lowest of
the breed." |
By the way, what type of MUSLIM are you?
yeezevee
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Mullah
Mo
Joined: 24 Jun 2003
Posts: 684
Location: In HELL with Mohammed the Pedophile Prophet
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Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:30 pm
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| Nadir_ahmed wrote: |
http://examinethetruth.com/Challenge_Sina.htm
more to come...
I can kinda figure, that Ali Sina will never post
this debate the debate folder.... but thats ok,
this will be available on my website, not lost in
some discussion forum...
Robert Morey said, Its always the winning side
which will post the debate |
We should post this invertebrate “Nadir Ahmed” on the
main page. Call the debate “Islam’s Effect On Human
Mind”. But it is questionable that this guy possesses a
“HUMAN MIND”.
Hey Nadir, are you Somali, Sudanese, or Yemeni?? You look
like one of those “Dark Arabs” if I’m not mistaking.
Mr. Nadir
Ahmed, you are an “obnoxious and unreasonable”
character. Just like your fake Prophet Mohammed.
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have built my organization upon fear."
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trubluearthling
Joined: 31 Dec 2003
Posts: 21
Location: New Kafirland
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Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:36 pm
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Nadir WTF mate. Can
you explain where Ali Sina was
caught red handed in an atrocious lie? That
glaring heading of that page in your website shows your
desperation to get attention. Do you also crave attention
and recognition like your hero and mentor prophet
Muhammad(peas-be-upon-him)? Of course you may need to
sensationalise things if your readreship figure is
appalling. But don't resort to these cheap tactics Mr
Nadir.
I listened to your debate with Denis Giron. Are you soo
determined to make a fool of yourself? The Quran is
replete with verses that serve no purpose other than to
coerce gullible people into submitting to Muhammad's(pbuh)
will. And you call that book a book of knowledge and
scientific miracles! Muhammad(pbuh) would not have
imagined that Islam would ever grow the way it has. Does
that explain to you why he never bothered to put his work
together and compile the Quran as a collection? It was
made into a book form only after his death. Muhammad(pbuh)
could not have cared less about the fate of humanity after
his death. Interesting to note that you studied
comparative religion for 8 long years and your conviction
in Islam being the true religion from Allah has only
strengthened. Now that, you can call a miracle!
Medical science is advancing rapidly brother Nadir. Pray
that Inshallah in your own lifetime science comes up with
a pill which benefits intellectually stunted people like
yourself. Jokes apart Mr Nadir, 1.2 billion people across
the globe are in dire need of such a drug and it is needed
in more urgency than a cure for the AIDS causing virus.
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adnan
Joined: 29 Jun 2002
Posts: 3024
Location: Ex-Muslim from Pakistan, now in USA
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Thu Jan 08, 2004 7:41 pm
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Nadir
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| Robert Morey said, Its always the
winning side which will post the debate |
Oh really? That means Ali Sina has won in ALL of his
debates posted on HIS website:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates.htm
Adnan
(former muslim from Pakistan, now agnostic) |
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