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MrHappy
Joined: 11 Nov 2003
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Fri Jan 09, 2004 4:19 pm
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To me, this exercise
in providing "scientific proof" is a defense
mechanism. Never before has Islam come under such scrutiny
from the general public and non Muslims. This defense has
two purposes, 1. To reaffirm in the minds of Muslims,
particularly in third world countries, that they are
indeed on the right path.
2. Confuse everybody else.
The thread became so large it was difficult to follow but
I vaguely remember a reference about the putting on of a
turban as an indication that the quran stated that the
earth rotated round the Sun. GIVE
ME A F*****G BREAK !!!
If this is some of the "scientific evidence"
that is going to be provided, I'm out, no longer
interested in this stupid argument. You might be able to
pass this off as "proof" to some ignorant,
nomadic heathens in the desert, but puh-leeeeze !!!
Nostradamus was more precise than this bull$hit.
The more I look into the qu'ran the more it looks like a
whole load of made up superstitious mumbo jumbo. Islam is
falling apart at the seams and it is a pain in the @ss to
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trubluearthling
Joined: 31 Dec 2003
Posts: 26
Location: New Kafirland
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Fri Jan 09, 2004 4:19 pm
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Mulla mo wrote:
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Hey Nadir, are you Somali, Sudanese, or Yemeni??
You look like one of those 'Dark Arabs' if I?m not
mistaking.
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I think this Nadir is Indian or Pakistani. I have friends
who went to the US for the big OE and came back with a
wavering accent.
Apart from that and the refernce this
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| Paul Newton can kiss my brown #$@. |
we do not know much else about his
ethnicity. I was expecting to find a photo of this cool
dude in his website but he hasn't put one up as yet. Go on
mate, nobody is going to harm ya, you're not an apostate
of Islam. You're a Jihadi. And you can kinda figure that
that's soo cool to be called these days, isn't it dude.
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DoctorNO
Joined: 25 Jul 2003
Posts: 497
Location: Canada
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Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:56 pm
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Hey guys, isnt the
term "PAKI" some sort of racial slur?
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yeezevee
Joined: 20 May 2002
Posts: 2659
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Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:09 pm
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| Mullah Mo: To me a
"PAKI" means a fanatic Muslim Jihadi
from Pakistan. If they're not fanatics then they
are Pakistnis. If they've left Islam altogether
then I will address them by their true name. |
Ha..HA! you have two names for the people from the Land of
Pure..I go by Balouch, Sindi, Pamjabi and Pastuns.. Not by
Pakis...
any way friends.. Mr. Nadir is follower of another Islamic
intellectual from Mumbai.. Mr. Zakir Naik.., Who acts as
Imam Bukhari of India.., So. Mr . Nadir could be ISLAMIC
tiger FROM INDIA.. Who acts and speaks like a member of
KKK ISLAM....
Nadir, remove those words from your Web Site.. Other wise
you will end up some day in to a room, full of people from
Harelam...NY....
regards
yeezeve
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trubluearthling
Joined: 31 Dec 2003
Posts: 26
Location: New Kafirland
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Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:53 pm
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After seeing his photo
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Where? Where, where where. Where oh where???
Link to it mate.
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Denis
Giron
Joined: 07 Sep 2002
Posts: 91
Location: New York City, Darul-Kufr
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Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:18 pm
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Salaam
yaa rafeeqee Egyptian Kaafir!!!
| al-Kaafir al-Misree
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| just like the word that I have
exposed a fraud awhile back....and what you guys
are discussing now..the word "anzala"
wich the crocks claim it means "brought
down" |
Well, I'm sure you know that nazala
also means to descend, and anzala
can mean cause to descend, i.e. send down. It is a
possible meaning. But you're right, the question that
needs to be asked is if this is necessarily the meaning
intended by the author of the relevant verse in Soorat
al-Hadeed.
| al-Kaafir al-Misree
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| ...while it actually means
"created" because it was used in another
verse to describe cattle and clothes !! last I
checked, cattle and clothes were not "brought
down" to us from the heavens... |
In my own post
I touched on this subject roughly by noting that the
relevant verb is also used for sending down clothes,
writings, et cetera.
But I missed the part about the cattle, so I started
looking that up, and sure enough, in Soorat
az-Zumar 39:6, it is stated that Allaah sent down (anzala)
eight types of cattle. This pretty much closes the debate
over iron, as we see the Qur'an uses the verb in the sense
of being given by God.
We see that what is done here is that Nadir (like other
proponents of the scientific-hermeneutic approach to the
Qur'an) has assumed
that a very specific interpretation of the relevant verb
was intended by the author of the Qur'an, and then further
assumed that the
author's intention was for it to be a reference to iron
atoms being forged outside of earth. These are two huge
presuppositions to make, but Nadir never gave any
justification for such hidden premises (probably because
he himself was not fully aware of them). It is a circular
argument to presuppose that the author of the Qur'an
intended a specific meaning, and then conclude that this
was the intended meaning (and then wonder aloud how the
author of the Qur'an could possibly have known such
things). Imran Aijaz, a Muslim critic of the
scientific-hermeneutic approach, touched on this when he
wrote:
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What's so amazing about
interpreting the Qur'an scientifically and then
just standing back stunned at the apparently
miraculous reconciliation of science and the
Qur'an? It reminds me of a 'Mr. Bean' episode
where he writes Christmas cards out to himself,
walks out of his apartment door, posts them
through his own apartment door via the mail-slot
and walks in a few seconds later. And to his
wonderful surprise as interpreted by his
mentality, he's received Christmas cards! Amazing!
The whole enterprise does have a hidden
circularity embedded into it.
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Farside
Joined: 21 Nov 2002
Posts: 347
Location: The Other Side
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Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:09 am
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| . . . He hath provided for you of
cattle eight kinds. . . . |
However, according to Oklahoma State University there are
over 360 kinds (types or breeds) of cattle 
on the cool green hills of planet Earth. source -- http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/cattle/
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Scandinavian
infidel
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Posts: 865
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Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:58 am
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| Mr . Nadir could be ISLAMIC NIGGER
FROM INDIA. |
Please keep this out of the forum. I really think we need
to clean up the language here.
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yeezevee
Joined: 20 May 2002
Posts: 2659
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Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:21 pm
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yeezevee wrote:
Mr . Nadir could be ISLAMIC NIGGER FROM INDIA.
Scandinavian infidel's advice:
Please keep this out of the forum. I really think
we need to clean up the language here. |
Let Me clarify a bit here dear Scan Infidel, Mr. Nadir
Ahmad at his web site POST these two sentences highlighing
them with Green color
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"I
try to interprete Islam in a language that nigger
Muslims understand.
As far as I am concerned all Muslims are lowest of
the breed." |
http://examinethetruth.com/Challenge_Sina.htm
yeezevee requested him number of times to remove/modify
that statement but my man is adamant character.. so
yeezevee was reflecting and reminding Mr. Nadir to change
that statement at his website..by saying
"Mr . Nadir could be ISLAMIC NIGGER FROM
INDIA."..
Nevertheless, I agree with you and people could
misinterpret it..let me modify that as
"Mr . Nadir could be ISLAMIC tiger FROM
INDIA."..
with regards
yeezevee |
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Scandinavian
infidel
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Posts: 865
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Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:33 pm
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| Mr . Nadir could be ISLAMIC tiger
FROM INDIA.". |
Well, TIGER I don't know, but..... 
OK, Yeezevee. 
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yeezevee
Joined: 20 May 2002
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Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:50 pm
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Scandinavian infidel: Well, TIGER
I don't know, but..... Laughing Laughing Laughing
OK, Yeezevee. Very Happy
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Islam is like the dinosaurs: Big, ugly and too
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dear Scan infidel.. I will give the benfit of doubt to Mr.
Nadir.. But I can not tolerate you insulting dinosaurs by
comparing it with ISLAM
"Islam
is like the dinosaurs: Big, ugly and too stupid to
survive."
with best wishes
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Scandinavian
infidel
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Posts: 865
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Sat Jan 10, 2004 4:27 pm
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dear Scan infidel.. I will give
the benfit of doubt to Mr. Nadir.. But I can not
tolerate you insulting dinosaurs by comparing it
with ISLAM
"Islam
is like the dinosaurs: Big, ugly and too stupid to
survive." |
I guess I asked for that one.
I generally think mocking can be ok, as long as we avoid
bad language.
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Joined: 08 Dec 2002
Posts: 37
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Sat Jan 10, 2004 5:21 pm
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Spinoza
Joined: 25 Jul 2003
Posts: 1417
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Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:31 pm
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Cowering in a cave, hoping that repitious 'Duas' and
mindnumbing Quran recitation will result in Allaha sending
down fire, storm and eternal punishment upon all us Kafirs,
Hypocrites and Zionists.
Hey, Nadir, if you read this: you have posted a part of my
comments; will you now also post the entire posting and my
response to your exposed dishonesty? I find it rather
ridiculous that you go around the web claiming to have
'defeated' Giron and thus 'proved' the Quran whilst nor he
nor anyone I know of that is not inside your cult would
agree with that. You said something about the 'only
winnners post discussions on their site'; and I haven't
seen much of the debate we had over here.
Please come around and 'debate' a bit more; you are
somewhat entertaining and you provide us with exellent
evidence what large doses of Islam and Quran do to one's
mind yet I feel and hope that one day you will see the
light of truth and stop deluding your mind with the
faerytales of a 7th century barbarian dessert marauder.
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trubluearthling
Joined: 31 Dec 2003
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Location: New Kafirland
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Sat Jan 10, 2004 7:38 pm
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Farside wrote:
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Quran 39.6 wrote:
. . . He hath provided for you of cattle eight
kinds. . . .
However, according to Oklahoma State University
there are over 360 kinds (types or breeds) of
cattle on the cool green hills of planet Earth.
source --
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Q 39:6 reads
He created you (all) from a single person(Adam); then made
from him his wife (Eve). And He has sent down for you of
cattle eight pairs (of the sheep,
two, male and female; of the goats, two, male and female;
of the oxen, two, male and female; and of the camels, two,
male and female).
I don't think this verse was implying that cows of four
pairs of different breeds were sent down as you have
understood it. But not to worry, that single verse
contains at least 5 mistakes stand out. Here they are ..
1) Created us from Adam--not true. Adam was a mythical
figure and there cannot be a 'single man' who can be
attributed to as being the parent of modern man.
2) Eve was NOT created from Adam! Eve was also a mythical
character.
3) Cattle was not 'sent down' from heaven (going by Mr
Nadir Ahmed's interpretation of the word anzala
It is FALSE.
4) Cattle of eight pairs? False statement again. There are
more than just four types of cattle on earth. note that
the Quran never mentioned anything about the unique flora
and fauna of the American or Australasian continents.
Muhammad could only talk about what he saw or heard about
from people around him.
5) All four types of cattle (sheep, goat, oxen and camel)
existed or had evolved into cattle as we know them before
man came into being. They could not have been 'sent down'
for man as bounty from Allah, as claimed by the Quran.
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