The
Quran is not poetry, or prose. To summarise the Unique Style
article, the Quran is not Poetry as it does not have a metrical
rhythmical pattern like the known 16 al-Bihar (rhythmical patterns).
Also it is unlike saj (rhymed prose) as it is rhythmic in nature and
does not follow the rules of Arabic prose. A good example is its
shift in person and number (known as Iltifat). Please see this.
And the Quran is not like straight prose (mursal)
as it has its own rhythm and rhymes in many areas. Actually an
interesting fact is that the Quran ends with the letter noon 50.08%
of the time. Not one text has achieved this, especially one that
size and with content the Quran has - and to add -
that it was revealed over 23 years. Please see this: |
The fact that the Quran breaks all the norms of
poetry and prose is not because it is a miracle. It is because the person
who wrote it was an illiterate and ignorant man who thanks to his TLE,
liked to make his sentences rhyme. When I was a child there was a beggar
in Tehran
who had set his business around Salsabil Cross. Everybody knew him as Hossein deevooneh (crazy Hossein). But if
you addressed him anything but Hossein Agha, (Mr. Hossein) he would get
very upset. He would swear at you and throw stones. Those who lived in
that area of Tehran about thirty years ago or more might remember him. He
was a short and grumpy man but he was a celebrity of a sort and people
liked him because he was talkative
and no matter what you said he used to retort back in rhymes. I liked to
watch him get into arguments with the passerbys and while he appeared to
be very serious, his quick wit and ad lib responses that rhymed were
really funny. May God bless his soul. He was a real show. I even heard him
once say that he was a general. He might have also claimed to be a prophet
but I did not hear that myself.
What is pitiable is that a billion otherwise sane
people follow Muhammad deevooneh (opps! I mean PBUH) and think his madness
was the sign of his divineness? What can be more ridiculous than that? Now
the insanity of one fruitcake is reflected in all these billion people.
Isn't that a tragedy? This is no different from the entire Germans who
went mad by following a mad man. The Germans proved that by following an
insane man such as Hitler millions and billions can become insane. Doesn't
this explain the total madness of Muslims? Isn't it madness to burn churches,
embassies and kill a hundred innocent people over a few cartoons?
As for your objective/subjective point, I
agree. I havent even started on the list yet, I was just providing
you with information, that you have failed to read. |
Just get to the point please without further ado.
Yes it must be either prose or poetry and if it is
not, chances are that the person who wrote it was an illiterate man -
someone like Hossein deevooneh who did not know the basic rules of the
language but was fond of rhymes. Isn't
this stupid to confuse shortcomings with miracles? This is like saying all
people walk on their two legs and if a person walks on his four legs he
must be performing a miracle. How much stupidity is enough
Mr. Hamza? This is embarrassing. Muslims really are laughable creatures. A
chimpanzee must have more wits than a Muslim.
There is one person, Terence, who claims to be
Al-Imam Al-Mahdi and he writes in the same style of Muhammad. He writes
proses that rhyme. Take a look.
Does that make him a prophet? Use
the same standard for Muhammad. If talking in rhymes is proof of
prophethood, you must admit that Terence is also a prophet. If this is no
proof of prophethood for Terence, why should it be for Muhammad?
You said "I accused you of being a
demagogue. That list is only a collection of some jargons, some of
them have nothing to do with linguistic. They are invented to fool
the gullible and the uninformed."
Give me some time and I will give you
explanations for all the linguistic features I mentioned with
examples. What is interesting is that you still have the arrogance
to say "some of them have nothing to do with linguistic"
Mr Sina you must understand that my intention is not to win you over
or even win the debate. You have the platform, I have no interest in
winning. I am just here to show that you need to entertain the fact
the you may be wrong. And I feel I can expose your blind faith by
showing you the academic world and the latest research on the Quran
that says the opposite of what you say! Its that simple. Give me
sometime and I will expand on the list. |
You can have all the time you need, but I urge you
again not to engage in the argumentum ad verecundiam fallacy. It seems
that this is what you intend to do. I am not interested to hear that and I
am not going to publish that nonsense. You may
quote anyone you like, but you must first demonstrate and prove your claim
logically and independent of the opinion of the so called experts.
I have read those and many other feeble explanations.
They are ludicrous. Nonetheless, we will discuss them when we get there.
Now let us concentrate on what you have to say. But please make it short.
There is no need to include everything in one message. The only way
to eat an elephant, is one bite at a time.
Again may I ask - why have you failed to read
my threads? Are you afraid of information that contradicts your
current reality (that is based upon blind faith - you can see this
as most of your arguments are old orientalist arguments and
missionary perspectives based upon english translations of the Quran
- How pathetic.)
Regards,
Hamza Tzortzis |
Every fallacy needs to be responded. If I read all
those links and try to respond to them, it will become so long that no one
would have time reading it. We can discuss anything you like one point at
a time.
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