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Javed Ahmad Ghamidi and
Khalid Zaheer vs. Ali
Sina
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March 25, 2007
Dear Mr Ali Sina
Let me make another attempt to explain to you where you might stand, in my
ordinary opinion, viz-a-viz the example of new moon I have been giving in
the last few messages. The new moon, to me, is the message of Islam
claiming itself to be from God and you are one of the persons who have to
decide whether it’s there on the horizon or not. When I ask you to look
at the moon, you have two possible obstacles in your way: a cloud cover
and your unwillingness to see. While I do acknowledge that there is a
cloud cover (and I really thank you for pointing that out), I am urging
you to make sure that the factor of unwillingness on your part should not
be an obstacle. I am aware of the fact that you have already rejected the
possibility that the moon is there, but I still believe that you are an
open-minded, truth-seeking person who has been swayed by some partly
genuine reasons. To me those reasons are the result of incorrect
information and misunderstanding.
I have seen your article that talks about the
errors in the Qur’an. I have read several times your anger at the
way some Muslims are behaving. You also have historical references that
make you believe in the peculiar perception of the prophet of Islam that
you mention quite often. The kind of empathy my religion wants me to have
for you, inclines me to believe that what you are going through, given
your state of information, is understandable. The only point I am making
is that you are overreacting at unreliable information and in the process
refusing to consider the possibility that there is a moon on the horizon.
Let me make another attempt to remove some of the cloud cover.
You have mentioned in one of your articles I read
that there is a contradiction in the Qur’an in that it talks about the
possibility of God’s day to be as long as one thousand years and on
another occasion as long as fifty thousand years. You have also mentioned
that at times there is a mistake in the counting of the number of days in
which this world was created. You have mentioned that the Qur’anic
description of the location from where semen and milk emerge is
scientifically inaccurate. You are also angry at the fact that the prophet
of Islam married a six years’ old girl. And there are many more problems
you mention in your various articles. I am sure it is not quite as much
the apparent problem in the Qur’anic presentation as your anger that is
keeping you away from appreciating that the contradictions and problems
are only apparent and not real.
Before I mention my brief responses to your
concerns about Islamic teachings, I would want to inform you that my
teacher, Mr. Ghamidi, decided not to deliver Qur’anic lectures anymore,
back in the early 1970s, when he came across the possibility that there
was a mathematical error in the Qur’anic law of inheritance. Thereafter,
he devoted his time and knowledge of Arabic language to understand what
the book was really saying. As a consequence of his research, he came to
the clear understanding that the commonly understood version of the law
was incorrect and that what the Qur’an was saying was error free. What I
want to assure you is that you are not dealing with a bunch of
gullible idiots.
Now I briefly mention my response to your
criticisms: Qur’an clarifies that God’s days are different from ours.
Like the duration of days of the moon and Mars are different from the days
of earth, similarly the days (or more clearly durations) for getting
different tasks done are also different. That’s why there is a mention
that God’s day is the equivalent of 1000 years of our earth in one
passage and that of 50,000 years in another.
The mention of the number of days in the Qur’an
that gives an apparent understanding, if one were to naively count the
figures, that God created this world in eight days, is because of the fact
that the mention of creation of the earth in two days (41:9) is again
included in the mention which clarifies that our earth was created with
all its potential in four days (41:10). In other words, in order to arrive
at the number of days it took for the creation of the heavens and the
earth one should not include the two days mentioned in verse 41:9, because
they have already been included in the next verse. Thus the mention is
completely consistent with the rest of the mentions in the Qur’an that
the heavens and the earth were created in six days.
As for the errors in the description of
production of semen and milk, I
agree with you that if the Qur’anic mention is inaccurate, its
claim to be divine crumbles. However, before one reaches that conclusion,
let’s be sure about two things: i) The Qur’an is actually making that
claim and ii) the scientific investigation has made it conclusively clear
that the information in the Qur’an is wrong. What if an objective
investigation leads one to a different conclusion? Likewise, what if it is
conclusively shown that the ages of Aisha, the wife of the prophet, were
sixteen and nineteen years at the time of marriage and consummation of it
respectively?
A few more things might help: The fact that
Pharaoh’s body shall be discovered in later times has been predicted in
the Qur’an most clearly (Qur’an; 10:92). The book of God makes an
accurate mention of the fact, as against the common contemporary wisdom of
those times, that pearls and corals emerge from both sweet and salty
waters (55:22). The book changes its style to accommodate the possibility
that the details of a child in the mother’s womb are not beyond the
possibility of human knowledge (31:34).
Some minor facts might also help. If
the readers pick a concordance of the Qur’an -- the book that mentions
all verses in which a particular word has
been used in the alphabetical order -- and count the number of times the
word ‘yaum’ (day) has been mentioned, they might be surprised by the
fact the total count stops at 365! Also the word ‘shahr’ (month) has
been used twelve times. There are many other unannounced surprises in
store to help you to ‘see the moon’. The only condition is that you
should be willing to do so. I can assure you that the cloud cover would
disappear.
These facts are there simply because the Qur’an
says: “Say [O Muhammad], ‘O mankind, indeed I am the messenger of
Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens
and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes
death.’ So believe in Allah and His messenger, the unlettered prophet,
who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be
guided.” (Qur’an; 7:158)
Khalid Zaheer
(Words: 1191)
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March 25, 2007
Dear Mr Ali Sina
Let me make another attempt to explain to you where you might stand, in my
ordinary opinion, viz-a-viz the example of new moon I have been giving in
the last few messages. The new moon, to me, is the message of Islam
claiming itself to be from God and you are one of the persons who have to
decide whether it’s there on the horizon or not. When I ask you to look
at the moon, you have two possible obstacles in your way: a cloud cover
and your unwillingness to see. While I do acknowledge that there is a
cloud cover (and I really thank you for pointing that out), I am urging
you to make sure that the factor of unwillingness on your part should not
be an obstacle. I am aware of the fact that you have already rejected the
possibility that the moon is there, but I still believe that you are an
open-minded, truth-seeking person who has been swayed by some partly
genuine reasons. To me those reasons are the result of incorrect
information and misunderstanding. |
Dear Dr. Zaheer. What you say here does not really
help finding the truth about Islam. Anyone can say these things about his
opponents. These statements constitute ad hominen and they are not a
substitute for logical arguments. This is a polite way to say you are
deaf, dumb and blind or you have some sickness in your heart that does not
allow you to see the truth. These were Muhammad’s favorite arguments. Unfortunately
since Muslims read them in the Qur'an they think they are convincing
divine arguments when in reality they are logical fallacies.
I asked you to give us proofs that Muhammad was a
prophet of God. At first you said there are brilliant, undeniable, miraculous, out of
this world proofs, but you would not give them
to us. When I insisted you finally gave two. 1- Muhammad said he would be
victorious and he was and 2- there is a mention of another prophet like
Moses in Deuteronomy 18:18 and this must be refereeing to Muhammad.
We saw how both these claims are fallacious. Osama bin Laden also warned in an
interview a year before his terrorist act on
America
that he would do something big and "you will hear about it in the
news." . Then he did it. In his twisted Islamic thinking and the
thinking of all the Muslims, this proves the truth of Allah. The thinking
of Muslims is indeed screwed up. This is psychopathology. Another reader of our discussion posted a message showing
that this other prophet, Moses was talking about was no other person than
Joshua. So you did not give us any proof that Muhammad was a prophet. Now
you say that my vision is covered with clouds and that if I purify my
heart, I will be able to see what you see. These talks are not worth to be
debated. I am giving you logical proofs that Muhammad could not have been
a prophet. The proof is that he raided people in the middle of the night
and after cowardly butchering unarmed people he shamelessly took their children and
wives and reduced them into slaves and sex slaves. This man was a
terrorist. No decent human would accept such a fiend as a prophet. Most Muslims do not know the truth about
Muhammad. A lot of those who are learning the truth are leaving Islam. I
am disappointed to see that some Muslims have become so blinded by their
zealotry that none of the crimes and evilness of Muhammad bothers
them. It is they who have sickness in their hearts. I have all
the reason to say that your brain is shackled. You are blind to the truth
and have lost your rational ability. But what is the point of making these
remarks? Of course they won’t help. They only make you angry and
insulted. These kinds of ad hominem are useless. The Qur'an is
full of such nonsense.
Do you have any other “out of this world” and
undeniable proof to show that Muhammad was a prophet of God?
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I have seen your article that talks about the errors
in the Qur’an. I have read several times your anger at the way
some Muslims are behaving. You also have historical references that make
you believe in the peculiar perception of the prophet of Islam that you
mention quite often. The kind of empathy my religion wants me to have for
you, inclines me to believe that what you are going through, given your
state of information, is understandable. The only point I am making is
that you are overreacting at unreliable information and in the process
refusing to consider the possibility that there is a moon on the horizon.
Let me make another attempt to remove some of the cloud cover. |
Islam does not teach you to have empathy for those that disagree with it.
Can you show me where it teaches such thing? Islam teaches you to kill such persons.
So you are either plying taqiyyah (hiding the truth for a higher good) or
are introducing bid'a. (innovation).
Muslims, like all other humans, have
many good qualities but those have nothing to do with Islam. If Muslims are
good it is despite of Islam. In
your previous messages you were emphatic that anyone who disagrees with
Islam after he is being called to it, does no longer deserve to live in
this world and should be killed. That was when you were talking like a
Muslim. Now you are contradicting your previous statement. Obviously there
is a battle raging within you, between your own humanity and your faith in
the demonic cult of Islam. You know you can't have both. You either must
espouse Islam totally and lose your humanity or embrace your humanity and
leave Islam.
You have mentioned in one of your articles I read
that there is a contradiction in the Qur’an in that it talks about the
possibility of God’s day to be as long as one thousand years and on
another occasion as long as fifty thousand years. You have also mentioned
that at times there is a mistake in the counting of the number of days in
which this world was created. You have mentioned that the Qur’anic
description of the location from where semen and milk emerge is
scientifically inaccurate. You are also angry at the fact that the prophet
of Islam married a six years’ old girl. And there are many more problems
you mention in your various articles. I am sure it is not quite as much
the apparent problem in the Qur’anic presentation as your anger that is
keeping you away from appreciating that the contradictions and problems
are only apparent and not real.
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You are in the denying mode. The contradictions in the Qur’an as well as the questionable conduct of
Muhammad are very real. If they were not real you or someone else could
point to our misunderstanding and show that there are no contradictions
and that Muhammad was a holy man. In
my rebuttal of Dr. Naik’s claim that the Qur’an contains scientific
facts I showed that everything this book says is wrong and all Dr. Naik's
claims are chicanery and false. All we need to know
that Muhammad was not a prophet of God is one single error and we have
hundreds.
Before I mention my brief responses to your concerns
about Islamic teachings, I would want to inform you that my teacher, Mr.
Ghamidi, decided not to deliver Qur’anic lectures anymore, back in the
early 1970s, when he came across the possibility that there was a
mathematical error in the Qur’anic law of inheritance. Thereafter, he
devoted his time and knowledge of Arabic language to understand what the
book was really saying. As a consequence of his research, he came to the
clear understanding that the commonly understood version of the law was
incorrect and that what the Qur’an was saying was error free. What I
want to assure you is that you are not dealing with a bunch of
gullible idiots.
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Let us put these derogatory remarks and character assassinations aside. I
don't think they have any place in an intellectual discussion like the one
we are having.
A few days ago a couple of Jehovah witnesses came to
my door and we engaged in discussion. The husband told me that only Earth
has inhabitants. Now this is quite illogical when you consider the size of
the universe and the insignificance of our little planet in it. (Have
you taken this
tour? You must! Gp ahead and click on it. It takes only a minute or
so.) Only in our galaxy, the Milky Way, there are over 400
billion stars, each like our sun and there are between 400 billion to a
trillion galaxies in the universe. How can one claim with certainty that
only Earth has intelligent inhabitants? I asked why then God created all
these galaxies and stars? He said, because he wanted us to enjoy their
beauty at night. Then we talked about evolution and the wife said "you
have faith in evolution". This fine couple was well dressed and I am
sure they were educated. Now how can one qualify these absurd claims? The answer is faith. When faith enters, reason goes the
other way. This is true for people of all faiths. That is the nature
of faith. It simply kills reason.
The Mu'tazelis wasted their time trying to find
harmony between faith and reason. They argued that intellect (aql)
is enough to distinguish right from wrong. For example we know instinctively
that justice (adl)and telling the truth (sidq) are morally good.
Therefore God is under moral obligation to be just and truthful. Likewise
we know injustice (zolm)and mendacity are evil (qubh). Consequently, God
cannot do evil. This philosophy precludes the need for revelation because
it accepts the fact that humans are intelligent enough to distinguish
right from wrong. However, in the Qur'an and hadith there are
passages and stories that depict Allah and his messenger as unjust, evil and even stupid. How
did they get around that? They conceded that there are
certain acts that the human intellect is incapable of assigning moral
values to them. These are only known through revelation and they become
known to be morally good if God orders them, or morally wrong if God
forbids them.
With this concession, the Mu'tazelits dug their own
tomb. By giving up the precedence of intellect over revelation, they
allowed irrationality to dictate over rationality and therefore render
futile their entire argument about the harmony between reason and faith.
This is like you and I enter into a partnership agreeing to be equals and
make our decisions based on mutual consent, with one clause stating that
if there is a disagreement between us, my vote prevails. This clause renders futile the entire agreement of equal
partnership. In matters that you and I both agree, there is no problem.
However, when we disagree it is always my word that rules. So where is the
equality?
As you can see, the doctrine of harmony
between faith and reason is rendered null and void the moment you give precedence
to revelation. The
Mu'tazelits vanished, because the harmony between reason and faith is a
fallacy. It is essentially an oxymoron. The moment, you acknowledge
revelation as a true source of knowledge, you deny the human
intellect. The reverse is also true. If you give precedence to
reason, faith becomes superfluous.
The reason Muslim scholars of the 10th century
declared that the gates of Ijtihad (religious discourse) has been closed,
was because they realized that by recognizing revelation as the
ultimate source of guidance, there is little left to reason and to
discuss. All major issues of the faith have been resolved and that no new
inquiry is warranted.
Today we have a bunch of self proclaimed Muslim
reformists going around deluding themselves and the westerners claiming Islam has also a peaceful side which
they are trying to revive. I have more
respect for the suicide bombers who spew hate and kill themselves than I
have for these deluded fools who think ostrich is a great philosopher.
They claim that they want to remain Muslims because only from within can
they reform Islam. Islam cannot be reformed. It is rigid like fossil. You
cannot reform it, but you can smash it.
If you embrace reason, you must eschew faith and
if you follow faith, you are forced to abandon reason. Faith and reason
are mutually exclusive. Their harmony is only a chimera. Those who
advocate such doctrine, are fooling themselves. These people will abandon
reason and look the other way every time reason challenges their faith. Reformation in Islam is misguided. It only buys more time for Islam. Islam
must be eradicated and Muslims must be set free from this web of lies. You
can't fight one lie with another lie. To get rid of a lie we need to tell
the truth.
You say that Mr. Ghamidi saw the mathematical error
in the Qur’an in regards to inheritance and instead of realizing that
the book is not infallible, he devoted his time and knowledge of Arabic language to understand what the
book was really saying. Is that a rational approach? Once it became clear
to him that there is an error in the Qur'an then it should have become
obvious that this book is not from God. What does he expect to learn from
a book that claims to be infallible and yet it is riddled with errors?
Then you say that "as a consequence of his research, he came to the
clear understanding that the commonly understood version of the law was
incorrect and that what the Qur’an was saying was error free". You
are losing me here. How can the Qur'an have errors and be error free at
the same time? I don't understand. You seem to be
contradicting yourself. Please explain how did he come to such
conclusion?
Now I briefly mention my response to your
criticisms: Qur’an clarifies that God’s days are different from ours.
Like the duration of days of the moon and Mars are different from the days
of earth, similarly the days (or more clearly durations) for getting
different tasks done are also different. That’s why there is a mention
that God’s day is the equivalent of 1000 years of our earth in one
passage and that of 50,000 years in another.
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There are two errors in this explanation. Firstly these two claims
are contradictory and secondly both of them are unscientific.
I understand that the duration of a year is different
in each planet. Mars’ year is about 2 ˝
times longer than earth’s. (According to the Martian calendar, you and I are
still teenagers. Isn't that cool? ) Jupiter takes 12 Earth years to go around the
sun, while Saturn makes the trip in just under 30 years, Uranus in about
84, Neptune in 165, and Pluto in just short of 250. The
Sun and its planets, traveling at a speed of about 240 km/second take a
period of 225 million years to revolve around the galactic center. (Doesn't
that make you dizzy? Poor
Muhammad could not even understand these astronomical numbers.) The time it
takes for each orbit of Sun is called cosmic year or a galactic year. The Sun has
completed about 20 orbits since the solar system was formed. For each
orbit, it traveled 150,000 light years of distance.
Our sun is 20 galactic years old. It is
expected to live another 24 galactic years before it exhausts its nuclear
energy. It will die at the premature age of 44. What will happen to it,
depends on whom you ask. If you ask the scientists, they will tell you
that as the Sun grows old, its outer layer will expand. It will exhaust
its hydrogen and then helium and its core will contact. It cools and
become less bright. It will become a red giant star. Eventually the helium
atoms in the core will fuse together, forming carbon atoms and releasing
energy. After this phase, the outer layers of the Sun drift off into
space, forming a planetary nebula exposing the core. Most of its mass will
go to the nebula leaving it cool. It will eventually shrink to only a few
thousand miles in diameter! At this point, it will be a white dwarf, a
stable star with no nuclear fuel. It radiates its left-over heat for
billions of years until it will become a cold dark black dwarf. By then it
will be a dead star (replete with diamonds, highly compressed carbon).
However, Tabari will have
none of this nonsense. He goes straight to the source of divine knowledge
and quotes Muhammad who said the Sun and the Moon will go to heaven for their
obedience to Allah.
The point I made was about the contradictions. In one
place the Qur’an says that the length of each day of Allah is equal to
1000 earthly years and in another place it says it is equivalent to 50,000
earthly years. Now which version is true?
The truth is that both of them are absurd. This very
claim presupposes that God is living on a planet that has longer days and
that he is very much like us humans - bound by time. For an eternal God who
is the maker of time, time should have no existence. Time did not exist
prior to the Big Bang. Both time and space were created with the matter.
Saying that God’s day is equal to 1,000 or 50,000 earthly years
reveals Allah and his messenger's total ignorance of the modern science.
Quantum mechanics, i.e. the physics dealing with the
very minute subatomic world, challenges the conceptual primacy of time
itself. According to the string theory, subatomic particles, the quarks, constantly
fluctuate. These fluctuations are well understood mathematically and have
been precisely documented experimentally. However, when it comes to time
and space, on extremely short time intervals (about a tenth of a millionth
of a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second) and distance
scales (about a billionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a
centimeter), quantum fluctuations so mangle space and time that the
conventional ideas of left/right, backward/forward, up/down, and
before/after become meaningless. It is hard for us to even envision such
thing. It means that if you are a quark, you can arrive in a place
before reaching there or be in two places at once. Consequently when the
entire universe was condensed in a single point, so dense that mater
could not exist, time and space could not have existed either. The
singularity, the primordial point of existence had no dimensions and was
time free. So as
you see, saying the day of God is equal to 1000 year or 50,000 years is
nonsense. Such talks are fit only for an ignorant man of the 7th century.
They are certainly not fit for us who live in the 21st century.
(In this author's humble opinion, once we understand
the world of subatomic particles, we would be able to explain thoughts and
a lot of mysteries such as intelligence, creativity, imagination, telepathy,
premonition, dreams and what we call psychic power. Subatomic particles
can appear as either matter particles or energy waves, meaning that they
are made from pure energy. That is the substance thoughts are made of.
Quantum mechanics may one day answer a lot of our questions regarding what
our ancestors called "spiritual realm." Everything has a
scientific explanation. The subatomic world, which is actually the real
world and the foundation of the visible atomic world, is yet to be
understood. The answer to our enigmas is in the science, not in religion.
There is no need to resort to hocus pocus, occult and divine to resolve
anything. Science will eventually answer all our questions, including
where we get our morality. Religions have been found wrong on everything
that could be proven, such as the origin and the shape of the universe and
things relating to this world. How can we trust their tales of the other
world? There is no other world but this. Part of it we see and know and
the other part is yet hidden and we are only beginning to
discover.)
Today scientists are seeking to combine quantum
mechanics with Einstein's theory of gravity (the general theory of
relativity) which would bring us the discovery of the “theory of
everything.” As Scott
Teresi says, “we are on the verge of another major upheaval, one
that will pinpoint the more elemental concepts from which time and space
emerge. Many believe this will involve a radically new formulation of
natural law in which scientists will be compelled to trade the space-time
matrix within which they have worked for centuries for a more basic
"realm" that is itself devoid of time and space.”
This is where the enlightened world is today. And where
are the Muslims? They are stuck discussing the duration of the day of
Allah. How
pathetic!
The poverty and the backwardness of the umma begins in
their minds. They have nothing
to do with Palestine
or Zionism my erudite friends. These are all excuses. They have everything
to do with Islam and the garbage that Muslims gobble in lieu of
science.
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The mention of the number of days in the Qur’an
that gives an apparent understanding, if one were to naively count the
figures, that God created this world in eight days, is because of the fact
that the mention of creation of the earth in two days (41:9) is again
included in the mention which clarifies that our earth was created with
all its potential in four days (41:10). In other words, in order to arrive
at the number of days it took for the creation of the heavens and the
earth one should not include the two days mentioned in verse 41:9, because
they have already been included in the next verse. Thus the mention is
completely consistent with the rest of the mentions in the Qur’an that
the heavens and the earth were created in six days. |
Like your above example, about the duration of the
day of God, these statements in the Qur'an not only contradict each other and are mutually exclusive, they
actually contradict science and commonsense too.
I already discussed this contradiction in my rebuttal
of Dr. Naik’s story of the Creation
of Universe in the Qur'an. There is no need to repeat that. Your
explanation does not solve this contradiction.
However, this contradiction pales in comparison when you
consider the absurdity of these verses. There is no point to rehash how
the world has come to be. These verses only betray the ignorance of their
author. Can possibly the maker of this universe have said such balderdash about the universe? These are all proofs that Muhammad was a
charlatan madman. That idiot had no clue how the universe had come to be.
If these proofs can't convince you what does? How can the maker of the
universe be so wrong as how the universe is made? What other proof you
need to see that Muhammad was a liar? For how long you want to deny the
obvious? And you call ME blind?
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As for the errors in the description of production
of semen and milk, I
agree with you that if the Qur’anic mention is inaccurate, its
claim to be divine crumbles. However, before one reaches that conclusion,
let’s be sure about two things: i) The Qur’an is actually making that
claim and ii) the scientific investigation has made it conclusively clear
that the information in the Qur’an is wrong. What if an objective
investigation leads one to a different conclusion? Likewise, what if it is
conclusively shown that the ages of Aisha, the wife of the prophet, were
sixteen and nineteen years at the time of marriage and consummation of it
respectively? |
That is very interesting. I think you are seeing the light finally my dear
professor. Welcome to the world of enlightenment. It's time that you
surrender to higher reason. Resistance is futile. You know the answer to
all these questions better than me. Yes the scientific investigation has
made it conclusively clear that the information in the Qur'an on just about
everything is wrong. The
function of the mountains is not to keep the earth from shaking with us.
The mountains are not like pegs. The earth is not flat like a bed. The Sun
is not revolving around the earth. The stars are not in the
lower heavens. The moon is not a lamp. Sperms are not created in the back
bone, The cow’s milk is not produced from amongst its dung and urine. Fetus
is not formed the way the Qur'an says. The explanation of water cycle in
the Qur'an is wrong. Animals do not have societies like ours. Ants do not
understand human language. There are also other claims made in the Qur'an
that are outright ridiculous such as pigs and monkeys being descendants of
the Jews (or that Allah transformed the Jews into swine and apes), an
animal will rise to call people to God, jinns and angels and may other
asininities that you find in the Qur'an.. The Qur'an is a book of
stupidity. It is not befitting for rational people to call themselves
Muslims. This name is an embarrassment. Soon, as these facts become known
worldwide, this name will become synonymous to stupid as it is now
becoming synonymous to terrorist. Don't call yourself a Muslim. Leave
Islam now and save your honor as well as your soul.
As for the age of Aisha, how are you going to show
that she was 16 or 19? All the mutiwatir (diffusely recurrent) ahadith
say that she was 6 years old when
Muhammad married her and took her to bed when she was 9 years old and we
do not have a different version of this story.
The other day I asked a Jew who had converted to
Islam and had joined our forum, what he thought of the Qur'an’s claim
that Allah transformed the Jews into pigs and monkeys. He responded, “I
am not a scientist to answer that question.”
Does this gullible soul think that maybe a scientist can
explain that? Of course not. But he simply refuses to think about it. He
wants to avoid the question because he knows that this could lead him to
awakening and the realization that he has been fooled. That is painful.
When I asked what he thinks of the massacre of the Jewish tribe of Bani
Quraiza that has been described in detail in dozens of traditions and
books of history written by Muslims themselves, he said, no mass grave has been found and also the
traditions vary in the account of the number of people massacred, so the
whole story is fabricated. This is what happens to one's brain when one become a Muslim.
One loses his or her rational faculty and becomes incapable of thinking
logically. Doesn't he know that corpses turn to dust in only a few
decades? Billions of people are buried under the earth, do we find their
remains after hundreds of years, especially in cities where people built
houses and dug the earth many times over? Sure he does. But it is not
convenient for him to think. He likes to be fooled and will do anything to
remain that way. Waking up and realizing how foolish he has been to
embrace a demonic cult whose founder hated the Jews with all his being is
painful. Truth is not painful, it is the shattering of lies that is
painful. How is he going to face his friends and relatives, now that he is
even wearing Muslim clothing and has a website promoting Islam? How
is he going to explain the embarrassment of being a first class idiot to
himself and to those who know him? Accepting that we have been fooled
is painful. It is much easier to remain fools and deny it. This poor man
has no choice but to dig his head deeper in the sand and play
stupid.
Doesn't this apply to all those Muslims who read this
site and see how Muslim scholars miserably fail to refute a single
argument that we present against Islam and yet find no courage to break their
shackles and set themselves free? Doesn't this apply to you and to Mr.
Ghamidi? What would you do without Islam, when Islam is the source of your
livelihood? Breaking the chains of slavery of mind is far more difficult
than breaking the chains made of iron. Been there, done that. I should
know.
What
distinguishes us humans from animals is our rational faculty. So do you
see the tragedy? These crazy beliefs dehumanize us. Not only we start babbling nonsense, we even start acting as savage
animals and kill one another for an utterly foolish belief.
You justify killing those who reject Islam and say
they deserve it while you are still waiting for science to prove the apparently
absurd claims made in the Qur'an. Shouldn't you delay the killings
until the proof is found, just in case?
You say " I
agree with you that if the Qur’anic mention is inaccurate, its
claim to be divine crumbles" At the same time you express your
wish that the proof will be found in future. So why don't you leave Islam
based on what you know now and wait until the proof is found. If the proof
is found, both of us can join Islam. If God is just, he will never punish
us for not accepting something without proof. If he is not just, he is
unworthy of praise. He is certainly not God.
For me to accept Islam you have to find a new Qur'an
completely different from what we have now and a new Sira presenting a
completely different Muhammad. I will not accept this Qur'an and this
Muhammad even if you find one hundred miracles in the Qur'an. If you find
anything out of the ordinary in that book I attribute it to Satan and not
to God, because the teachings of the Qur'an are satanic and not divine. So
far there is no indication that even Satan had anything to do with that embarrassingly
stupid book. The Qur'an is all raving of a psychopath and nothing
more.
The day that the Qur’an is proven to be true, is
the day that the Sun will dawn from the
west. Actually Muhammad said that this too is going to happen.
Don’t believe me. Here are the words out of the horse’s mouth:
Narrated Abu Dharr:
I entered the mosque while Allah's Apostle was sitting there. When the
sun had set, the Prophet said, "O Abu Dharr! Do you know where this
(sun) goes?" I said, "Allah and His Apostle know best."
He said, "It goes and asks permission to prostrate, and it is
allowed, and (one day) it, as if being ordered to return whence it came,
then it will rise from the west." Then the Prophet recited,
"That: "And the sun runs on its fixed course (for a term
decreed)," (36.38) as it is recited by 'Abdullah.
[Bukhari 004.054.421
Also 009.093.520
and Muslim 001.0299]
This is easy to verify. I live on the
other side of the word, right beneath your feet. When the Sun sets in
your neck of the woods, it rises in mine and vice versa. So between the
two of us we have its itinerary all covered. How about you and I watch
carefully and see where it stops to prostrate, then write down the exact
time and with this we can scientifically determine the coordinates of the
throne or Allah. I think that
would be the greatest discovery of all times and would certainly make you
and I go down the history and maybe even win the Noble Prize. If we keep our eyes open, we might catch
the Sun in the act of prostration. It can’t hide from us. Please don’t
forget to wear UV sun glasses.
Silly scientists, think day and night take place
because of the rotation of the earth around its own axis. Why don't they
read the Qur'an and hadith to learn the truth?
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A few more things might help: The fact that
Pharaoh’s body shall be discovered in later times has been predicted in
the Qur’an most clearly (Qur’an; 10:92). The book of God makes an
accurate mention of the fact, as against the common contemporary wisdom of
those times, that pearls and corals emerge from both sweet and salty
waters (55:22). The book changes its style to accommodate the possibility
that the details of a child in the mother’s womb are not beyond the
possibility of human knowledge (31:34). |
Qur’an 10:92 says, “But We will this day deliver
you with your body that you may be a sign to those after you, and most
surely the majority of the people are heedless to Our communications.”
What is so miraculous about this verse?
Qur’an 55:22 says “There come forth from them
pearls, both large and small.” What
part of this statement was unknown to people of the time of Muhammad or
any people of any time? Didn’t people know that pearls come in all
sizes, some large and some small?
Qur’an 31:34 says “Surely Allah is He with Whom
is the knowledge of the hour, and He sends down the rain and He knows what
is in the wombs; and no one knows what he shall earn on the morrow; and no
one knows in what land he shall die; surely Allah is Knowing, Aware.”
This verse actually is saying no one but Allah knows
what is in the womb. Now, any one can make an ultrasound and determine the
sex of the child. So the Qur’an is wrong again. I am surprised you seem
to be helping me to reveal the errors of the Qur’an. Are you already on
our side?
Also everyone knows that Allah does not send the
rain. The rain falls because of very natural phenomena. If a stone rolls
down a mountain, it is not falling because Allah makes it fall. It just
follows the law of gravity. These kinds of arguments only prove the
shallowness of the mind of Muhammad.
The next part of this silly verse says “no
one knows in what land shall he die.” Now does that prove that Allah
knows it or that Allah is God? If so why he did not inform Muhammad of his
own impending death? We know that Muhammad had no knowledge of future or
past. When people of Medina accused Aisha of adultery the poor Muhammad
was truly distressed and did not know whom to believe. Only after he
decided to believe Aisha, nearly a month after she was accused, Allah also
sent down revelations confirming what Muhammad had thought was true. Where
was Allah all this time? Also when in Khaibar Muhammad wanted to find out
the whereabouts of the treasures, he tortured Kinana. Why he did not ask
his Allah to tell him where are the hidden treasures? When a woman whose
male family was massacred by Muhammad, prepared for him a lamb tainted
with poison, Allah did not stop his prophet from eating. Only after he ate
some and one of his followers fell death, he realized the lamb was
poisoned. If Muhammad had any knowledge of the unknown, why did he use to
send spies to the towns of his victims to see when they are most
vulnerable? Couldn't Allah or his angel reveal the unknown to
him?
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Some minor facts might also help. |
Okay. We are now done with the “out of this
world” and the “miraculous” and ready for the minor stuff.
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If the readers pick a concordance of the Qur’an --
the book that mentions all verses in which a particular word has
been used in the alphabetical order -- and count the number of times the
word ‘yaum’ (day) has been mentioned, they might be surprised by the
fact the total count stops at 365! Also the word ‘shahr’ (month) has
been used twelve times. There are many other unannounced surprises in
store to help you to ‘see the moon’. The only condition is that you
should be willing to do so. I can assure you that the cloud cover would
disappear. |
These are not miracles. You can find numerical
oddities in any book. Ivan Panin was a Russian emigrant who claimed to
have discovered numerical patterns in the Hebrew scriptures and in the
Greek text of the New Testament. His patterns involved counting of letters
and words as well as gematria (numerical values of letters).
Michael Drosnin wrote a bestseller called "Torah
Codes". He claimed words and phrases are found by picking equally
spaced letters from the Hebrew text of the Torah. More Christian evidence
can be found in this site.
You can find numerical patterns in any book. If you
have enough time on your hand you can find a lot of patterns in any book. When you have
millions of star eyed believers with billions of hours on their
hands, it is normal to get a lot of such "miracles". None of
these claims are worth as second thought.
One of our Muslim readers asked what in my view
constitutes a miracle. I will answer that here.
If any of these so called messengers and prophets
could have said something that would have been useful to mankind, I would
have accepted that as miracle. For example, if they had shown how to make
anesthetic, I would have recognized that as miracle. Imagine how much pain
people endured when they needed amputation or surgery. If these self proclaimed
prophets had told us about viruses and how to prevent contagious diseases,
then I would have accepted that as miracle. If they had said that the
Earth is revolving around the Sun in a clear language and that the Sun and
the Moon are not "lamps" in the sky but one is a planet like
ours and the other is a star, or that all living organisms are made of
billions of tiny cells each carrying a code that is the blueprint of that
organism, then I would have accepted that as miracle. There is nothing in
the words of any of these prophets that was unknown at their time by their
own peers. They simply rehashed the false knowledge of the people of their
own time. Now their followers desperately try to see if they can attribute
some hidden meanings to what they said. We often read Muhammad talking
abut the "worlds of God". We all know he is talking about the
physical world, the world of the mythical jinns, the worlds of angels,
spirits and other fairy beings. I recently read somewhere a Muslim saying
by "worlds", Muhammad must have been alluding to the multiverse.
You know the theory that says beyond this universe there must
be countless other universes that are very similar to ours but belong to
other time-space quantum and we will never know about them. This theory is
based on the fact that the same laws that made the Big Bang happen, must
have made other Big Bangs happen too. When nature does something, it does
it in abundance. However, the Big Bang makes the need for a creator
redundant. Poor Muslims do not understand this and start making claims that actually denies God. That is how believers fancy. They
try to interpret every word of their holy book and find miracles in the
most banal things to justify their faith in absurdities.
Doesn't the very notion of the Big Bang that so many Muslims talk about,
reject the Qur'anic fable of creation?
These facts are there simply because the Qur’an
says: “Say [O Muhammad], ‘O mankind, indeed I am the messenger of
Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens
and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes
death.’ So believe in Allah and His messenger, the unlettered prophet,
who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be
guided.” (Qur’an; 7:158)
Khalid Zaheer
(Words: 1191) |
Facts are there simply because Muhammad says so? Who
is Muhammad to say so? You have not established the authority of Muhammad
yet. What facts? You have shown no facts so far either. This verse is also a
claim and not a proof. You are again engaging in circular reasoning
presenting the claims made by Muhammad as proof of his claim. The
answer to the question “what is the proof that Joe Blow was a
prophet?” is not, “because Joe Blow said so.” What if Joe Blow was a lair? You
must first prove Joe's or Mo's claim and only then you can use them as authority. As long as you
have not done so, Muhammad is just another pretender. Muhammad's words can only be used as
confessions against him and not as proof of his claim. This law applies to everyone
and Muhammad is no exception.
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