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8.
Ali Sina is a modern crusader, masquerading as a humanist.
Ali has double standard. While he
exaggerates and generalizes the atrocities committed by Hislamic
fanatic terrorists, he bypasses the bigger atrocities committed by
Evilgelical Christians and Zionist Jews (I exclude some of the early
Zionists) and their proxy forces.
I wish Ali Sina could be brave enough to
stand against the terror, destruction and massacres inflicted by
Evilgelical crusaders and their Zionist allies as he stands against
the terror, destruction and massacres inflicted by Taliban and
Hislamic mullahs.
In
his latest
answer, he briefly stated that he was against all violence and
terrorism; but that was it. So far, he has never condemned a single
concrete example of violence, torture, terror, occupations,
unjustified wars, and atrocities conducted by Evangelical-Zionist
alliance or their proxies.
Modern
crusaders, allied with big corporations are orchestrating a
deceptive propaganda and misinformation campaign to promote their
bloody cause to colonize new lands and convert more people.
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These are ludicrous charges. There is no such
thing as evangelical (or as you put it “evilgelical”) crusaders today.
Some Christians are fanatics but even the most fanatical Christian is not
killing innocent people indiscriminately as Muslims do. As we see, no
response to the charges I made against the Quran, but more straw man
argument.
I find your accusations against Jews and Christians fallacious and
nothing but typical Islamic hate mongering. Furthermore they have nothing
to do with this debate which is about the Quran and Islam. You are using tu
quoque and red herring Logical fallacies.
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Modern
Crusaders distort verses of the Quran, exaggerate the deeds of
terrorists and even attribute some events motivated by nationalism
or other motives to islam. Their propaganda machine never referred
to the Serbs as Christian Rapists and Christian Terrorists. Their
propaganda machine never referred to the torturer and murderer
Zionist occupying forces as Jewish Terrorists, or Jewish Murderers.
Their propaganda machine never acknowledges the Christian church and
zeal behind Nazi crimes. However, they frequently associate any act
of terrorism to Islam and Muslims. Furthermore, they cleverly
managed to depict the freedom-seeking victims of brutal occupying
forces as aggressors in conflicts such as
Chechnya
, or
Palestine
.
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Just to show how your Islamic
mind is biased and unable to see the facts, the Serbs were punished by a
coalition of other Christian countries who came to help the Muslims. Such
thing for Muslims is inconceivable. Can one even imagine that a few Muslim
countries join force to fight another Muslim country that is oppressing a
non-Muslim population? This is unthinkable. The entire Muslim world is
united against
Israel
for no other reason than to support their Muslim brothers. They don’t
give a damn who is right and who is not. As long as one side is Muslim
they are with that side.
As for your diatribe on the
Jews, this is typical Islamic hate. Jews are not murderers. They have
occupied their own ancestral land after they were systematically
persecuted and expelled from Islamic, communist and Nazi countries. If the
Palestinians had stopped their relentless terror on the Jewish civilians,
they would have had their country and land long time ago.
Israel
did not start the war. The Arabs invaded
Israel
and they lost. Weren’t you talking about
”reparation”?
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They
try to depict islam as a violent religion, thereby seeking to
justify their own terror, massacres, pre-emptive wars, which are
cunningly promoted in a euphemistic language through their
propaganda machines. They don't kill and terrorize civilians; they
just produce collateral damage and they just perform colorful shows
of "shock and awe." They do not torture prisoners; they
either interrogate them or turn them to anecdotals. They do not
destroy cities; they do surgical and smart operations. They do not
occupy others' lands; they liberate them. They do not take revenge;
they take justice to their enemies. Thus, media is cleverly used to
hypnotize masses and get their support for neo-colonialism. The
ruling class in democracies use media to "manifacture concent."
In order to plunder the resources of other countries, greedy
corporations and their unholy allies replace one dictator after
another, create wars and conflicts, undertake covert operations, and
if they are bored, they play liberation games for fun and profit,
big profit.
Crusaders
have directly participated or supported many atrocities and wars in
the last millennium; they have killed many more innocent people than
their counterpart Sunni or Shiite warmongers. Inquisition, crusades,
witch-hunt, World War I and II, holocaust, Hiroshima, Nagasaki,
Phillipines, Korea, Vietnam, Nikaragua, Arjantine, Iraq are just few
words in the long list of wars and massacres that are committed or
supported by those who call themselves Christians. Nazis used the
traditional Christian hatred of Jews as fuel and a twisted Cross
(swastika) as the symbol for their racist ambitions. The list of
British and American wars, occupations, massacres, slavery, covert
operations that were conducted with the approval and support of the
Christian church or masses is too long and too gruesome. You can
still find many Christians justifying the biggest terrorist attack
in the history, the destruction of two big cities with their
hundreds of thousands civil population, as a retaliation to the
Japanese attack to an American military base. American government
has not apologized humanity for this horrific and cowardly act of
terror.
The mentality of these Crusaders is no
different from those of al-Qaida militants who justified the
destruction of the
World
Trade
Center
as retaliation to the American support for the Israeli's racist
policy of occupation, massacres and terror in
Palestine
. If Ali Sina lived in
Afghanistan
, with is hatemongering and pro-genocide mentality, he would be a
Taliban or Al-Qaida leader.
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Islam is a violent religion. No one
needs to "depict" it as such. To see this truth all one has to
do is to watch the Muslims and read the Quran.
You are now talking nonsense.
The preemptive war is needed. We can’t live with those who think of
nothing but to kill us. This is a war that you people started and we must
fight it or we would be killed. We did not start the 9/11 you did. Now
don’t start with this nonsense “reformed Muslims, terrorist Muslim”.
In the course of this debate it has become obvious that as long as you
believe and follow those barbaric verses of the Quran you are Muslim and
terrorist. Islamic terrorism is redundancy.
These are mindless ravings of
a hatemongering Muslim whose brain is on Islam, whose reasoning is marred
by his hate and is unable of rational thought. Tell me why the Americans
should keep enemies like you in their country. Your rabid squall at the
country that has given you asylum is typical Islamic betrayal and
ungratefulness. It is a disgrace that Islam rubs the humanity of its
victims and an educated person such as you lets his passion take a better
hold of his rationality.
Yes the Westerners and
especially the Europeans are guilty of supporting the dictators and
stealing from the poor countries. There is a nice poem in Farsi. I don't
know who is the poet. I will try to translate it as faithfully as I
can because it beautifully describes the deplorable condition of the
Muslims.
Spoke on the way to his
master, a donkey:
You are mean, cruel and a callous hunky
For how long will you
keep me oppressed?
Till when, won't you let me have some rest?.
I pray God that you die
and leave me in peace
For your ordeal has brought me to my knees
His master told him: Oh
you miserable beast
Why in my death you haste and make a feast?
Find a way so you
won’t be a donkey anymore
And won’t have to be loaded and used for such a chore
For as long as a beast of burden you remain
If not me, one else will charge you in this vein.
Lesser than donkey are the lethargic and ignorant
masses
Who are always under someone’s load like asses.
Until you don't wake up from your ignorant
slumber
Your back won't rest from the burden and the cumber
خری با صاحب خؤد
گفت در راه
كه ای بی رحم بی انصاف بد خؤاه
مرا تا چند با جان كار داري
مرا تا كی بزير بار داري
خدا مرگت دهد آسؤده
گردم
كه بار مهنتت فرسؤده كردم
بدو گفت صاحبش كه ای حيوان بد بخت
چرا در مرگ من نو ميكنی رخت
علاجی كن كه ديگر خر نباشي
كشيدن بار را درخؤر نباشي
و الا تا تو خر باشی به ناچار
چه من چه ديگرانت ميكنند بار
كم از خر ملت
خواب و خمؤدند
كه دائم زير مهميزرنؤدند
نگردی تا ز
خواب جهل بيدار
نبينی پشت خؤد را خالی از بار
The problem of Muslims is because they are ignorant. This ignorance is
Islam-induced. Islam does not allow people to think independently, be
critical and question theories and authorities. Islam does not encourage
dissention but enforces compliance. When there is no dialogue, and all
contrary thoughts are censored, people remain ignorant and when they are
ignorant anyone can take advantage of them.
Yes the Europeans are shameless opportunists. But if you leave your
door open you can’t blame the thief. The solution to the problem of
Muslims is not to plead the Europeans to be good and honest. This won’t
happen because it is the nature of man to be dishonest. The French, the
British, the Germans are not bad people, but when you show them money they
will forget everything and will sleep even with devil. They are not
prostitutes; they just do it for money.
The problem rather should be solved at home. Why these European
countries can take advantage of Islamic nations? It is because these
Islamic nations are run by dictators. You can’t pillage democracies. In
democracies the governments have to respond to people. So if you want to
buy or sell anything you have to compete and this competition ensures that
people get the best deal. In dictatorships, you can bribe the ruler and
sell something twice or three times its value and no one would ever know
or can protest.
So as you see the problem is in dictatorship and the solution is
democracy. But Islam is against democracy and in favor of dictatorship.
This is why Islamic countries will remain dictatorial and poor. The
Europeans won’t change. They are the children of colonialists. Stealing
is in their blood. This is the basis of their civilization. Muslims did
the same thing when they could. It is the Islamic counties who have to
wake up, liberate themselves from the shackle of Islam, build democracies
and stop being taken advantage of. Once we get rid of Islam, we will
get rid of dictators and their European accomplices.
Anyway, this entire charade about “Evilgelical” Christians, the
crusaders and the Jews has nothing to do with our discussion of the Quran.
This debate is about the Quran. You have talked about everything else but
the subject that we were supposed to talk about.
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