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Edip Yuksel vs. Ali Sina
Round X - page 38
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5.
Ali Sina, instead of accepting his opponent as he is; he pretends
what he should be and he debates with the imagined "little
devil" character in his mind. He is like a cheap spelling
program that cannot distinguish between screw and escrow, between
hislamic and Islamic, between hadith and Quran!
In our one-month debate, he confused me with
some of his Hislamic opponents. Or he prayed that I would just
devolve to one of them so he could pull my beard smack my medieval
head with those volumes of holy trash! Bad luck!
For instance, I do not separate the verses
of the Quran as Meccan on Medinan verses. Again, he was confusing me
with Sunnis. The Quran does not contain such a distinction and a
believer must follow ALL the verses of the Quran.
Ali Sina uses the common 6 STEPS to reach TO
THE POWER OF 666, which I have explained in an article published at
19.org.
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The first two paragraphs are mere ad
hominems and there is nothing to say about them. But as for the Meccan and
Medinan verses, they ARE different. I showed the difference and asked you
to explain the discrepancy of the verses that I quoted. You are totally
avoiding the question and repeating your refuted assertion. You may repeat
this a thousand times, but as long as you don’t answer the questions
those questions remain unanswered. Often Muslims use this fallacy. They
dismiss your question and say, “these are old”. Yes they are old. But
what is the answer? These old questions have never been answered.
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6.
Ali broke his promises frequently.
Ali Sina PROMISED me several times that he
would not use hadith and other dubious sources in his criticism of
the Quran, but each time he sought a silly excuse to bring a
truck-load of them. He was like an obese person breaking his diet
not to eat junk food.
Though he knew that I would not continue
this debate if he one more time break his promise of not copying and
pasting from the hearsay sources, yet he went a head and filled his
latest response with those trash. I finished my previous response
with the following challenge:
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You have
tried to weasel your way out of this debate after the third round when
instead of responding you posted two irrelevant cut and pastes from your
book. In this debate I never used any hadith to prove the fallacy of the
Quran. I challenge you to show exactly when this breach happened. Every
hadith I quoted was confirmed by the Quran. For example I quoted verses of
the Quran talking about raid and then I quoted the haidth as the
confirmation. I quoted verses about rape of the captive women, and only
then I quoted the hadith showing what the Quran says actually did happen.
There are hadiths that cannot be confirmed in the Quran. For example from
the Quran we can’t know about Muhammad’s pedophilic relationship with
Aisha. I never made mention of those hadiths. Your excuse it unfounded.
You use this as a face saving pretext to get out of the debate because
obviously you are intelligent enough to realize Islam has lost. But you
can’t admit that because you stand to lose a lot. You call yourself
“The Islamic Reformer” and envision yourself as the Martin Luther of
Islam. No doubt you think a few hundred years from now you’ll be
celebrated and remembered like the Christian reformer. I am sorry to
shatter your sweet reveries. Islam
is not going to be around for long. After this debate many of your own
sect members will come to see the indefensibility of the Quran and after
getting over the stage of shock and denial, that may take a while, they
eventually will leave Islam. There is a limit to which we humans would go
to fool ourselves especially if there is no gain for us. For you of course
there is a gain. You dream to be the Islamic Martin Luther.
The truth is that it’s
not just the religious leaders who mislead the masses but the masses also
mislead the religious leaders. As long as these religious leaders find a
host of followers paying homage to them, they will not be able to detach
themselves from their position. But once they find themselves deserted by
their followers, they too will have to admit the truth. I believe this
debate will cause many submitters who are not in the position of
leadership to rethink their faith in the absurdities of the Quran and
leave Islam. But you can’t do such thing because you have a lot of
vested interest.
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"I
challenge you to use scientific evidence and reason for your
cricticsm of the Quran. I will NOT continue debate with you if you
ONE MORE TIME refer to or quote from hadith, syra or tafseer books
that I have rejected vehemently since 1986. If you cannot criticize
the Quran without referring to hearsays of hearsays, then you will
be proving to the entire world that you lost this debate against
someone who followed the Quran alone."
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So far I used logical evidence against the
Quran. My attack of the Quran had nothing to do with hadith. Now let us
continue and let us talk about the so called “scientific evidences”.
Here is where we have to talk about science. So far we had no occasion to
talk about science. There is nothing unscientific about killing, raping or
looting.
Yes dear Edip. I have proven the Quran to be a
book of terror without any need to rely on hadith. Your repetition of this
lie proves how little you can say in defense of the Quran. You are
attacking a straw man.
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7.
Ali Sina is unaware that he might be heading to Prison:
Ali Sina should be glad that he is in a free
and secular country that people are not penalized because of their
opinion or belief, how outrageous and stupid they might be. Ali Sina
is thinking that he can hide his identity behind the computer
screens and continue spew the message of hatred and genocide against
Muslims. However, things might change. What goes around will come
around.
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More ad hominem and more straw man,
now spiced with a dash of ad baculum or threat of lawsuit. All you have to
do is to disprove my charges against the Quran and all you have done so is
avoiding it and engaging in all sorts of logical fallacies.
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He
has already mesmerized some impressionable imbeciles and they might
soon start following his advice and committing acts like Nazi or KKK
members. They will kill innocent Muslims and their children in the
name of "spiritual humanism." Ali Sina then will find
himself in the defendant seat rather than covering his face behind
computer screens. I will be there to present the jury with his
"subhuman" remarks. I hope this will never happen, but if
history any indication, Ali Sina's bloody dream might become his
nightmare.
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I look forward to that. You already heard my
line of defense in round IX. This would give us an opportunity to bring
the fascistic nature of Islam to the public attention. Maybe this is the
nail in the coffin of Islam.
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