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Edip Yuksel vs. Ali Sina
Round X - page 36
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Edip yuksel's writings are in gray boxes
Ali Sina's in white pages
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I
am glad that I am in a country established by deists, monotheists,
and muslims (submitters to God alone and promoters of peace), who
escaped from religious persecution. The constitution of the
United States
is mostly in harmony with Quranic principles. I am blessed for not
living in a country ruled by Pope, Evangelical Christians, Talibans,
Mullahs, or fascist cult of Ali Sina
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So the constitution of the
US
is in harmony with Quranic Principle! Really?
Let us see just take one example and compare:
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the
people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress
of grievances.
Now let us see what the Quran says in respect
of freedom of faith and speech.
3:85,
If anyone desires a religion other than Islam
(submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the
Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual
good).
2:193
And fight them until there is no more fitnah
(sedition), and religion is for Allah
2:257
those who reject faith the patrons are the evil
ones: from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness.
They will be companions of the fire, to dwell therein (For ever).
Is there any similarity between the American constitution and the
Quranic principles? I don’t see any?
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Though
the
USA
government is currently infiltrated by Evangelical Christians, there
are still many institutions and majority of people who appreciate
justice, equality, liberty, and the separation of church and state.
I will fight against organized religion influencing the government
of my country.
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In what ways Islam advocates separation of church and state? The whole
concept of Islam is to bring Islamic rule and establish the Quran and
Sharia as the law of land. Doesn’t the Quran talk about the right of
women being half of that of men and their testimony also being worth half?
Doesn’t the Quran define the ordinances for thieve and adulterers? This
is interference in the secular law. How can Islam advocate separation of
church and state then? Probably you mean Islam advocates the separation of
the “Christian church” from state, so that the Muslims can control
everything.
Then you talk about justice, equality, liberty. You must be joking. Is
imposing Jizyah and humiliating the unbelievers, justice? Are people free
to have a different religion other than Islam? Are Muslims and
non-Muslims, or men and women have the same rights in the Quran? You
simply throw any fancy word you find without ever paying attention to
their meanings. The concept of justice, equality and liberty do not exist
in Islam.
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Thus,
Ali Sina's theo-fascist remarks declaring ALL Muslims being
"subhuman species" made me decide to discontinue the
debate with him. His "subhuman" remark was the last, but a
venomous drop that filled his cup of hatred and bigotry. He is not a
person to reason with, since his mind is filled with toxic hate and
his stomach is thirsty for fresh blood. I now regret calling him
with the word "dear," since he does not deserve even its
first letter.
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You have been looking for excuses to
get out of this debate. Everyone can see this excuse is not warranted.
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Those
who are curious about my response to Ali's "6-Step"
criticism of the Quran will find our answer to his and many other
criticism at the side notes of the Reformist Translation of the
Quran, which will be published in the end of the year, inshallah.
As I promised, I am posting my analyses of
the leader of this small cult. A SURPRISE note will follow these
analyses:
POSITIVE ASPECTS:
1. Ali Sina is a smart, articulate and
well-versed in classic Hislamic liturgy. Thus, I do not think that
he was originally a Christian introducing himself as a former
Muslim.
2. Ali Sina's website, though frequented by
cheerleaders and hatemonger drunkards, is indeed an open forum with
no censorship, like our forum at 19.org. I have not yet seen a
Hislamic or Evilgelical website with such an open door policy.
3. Ali Sina, though chopped some of my
arguments by integrating/devouring them within his arguments, he
demonstrated acceptable degree of fairness in posting them.
4. Ali Sina, having full control on the
website, could have distorted my responses and he even could have
posted some outrageous statements under my name. (This happened in
an atheist Turkish forum several years ago!). Ali Sina seems to have
integrity in this regard.
5. Ali Sina, though misguided, has complete
dedication to his cause. (Since we do not know about his identity,
we cannot verify nor falsify claims about his getting financial aid
from Evangelical organizations or from CIA for his job to promote
hate and genocide.).
6. Though Ali Sina appears to be thirstier
for the blood of innocent people than his Hislamic clones, such as
members of Taliban and Al-Qaida, he has a mediocre sense of humor
that others lack. His sense of humor might be an indication that
there is hope for his recovery from hatemongering.
7. Though, using his old sunni mentality,
Ali frequently confuses the Quran with books of hearsay, Ali Sina
does an excellent job in exposing the numerous problems in teachings
of hadith, sunnah, and sectarian jurisprudence. (I have being doing
this since 1986 and published more than a dozen books on this
subject)
NEGATIVE
ASPECTS:
1. Ali Sina follows the Evilgelical-Sunny
methodology of Right foot, left foot. Wet foot, dry foot. Low foot,
high foot. True foot, lie foot. Here comes the Evilgelical-Sunni sly
soot!
Ali Sina shares a strikingly similar poor
knowledge of the Quran with Sunnis and Shiites. He uses the same
lousy argument. He uses THE STINKIEST SUBSTANCE out of the Sunni
holy trash as the MAIN MENUE in his round table. He is not able to
read the Quran without smelling the piles of hadith. Now it is clear
that his Hislamic disease is still in his heart and mind. His
approach to the Quran is exactly similar to of the Sunni or Shiite
ones.
Without being brainwashed by these
teachings, any reasonable person would and should understand the
meaning and message of verses. Sure, we can ask more questions
regarding the details WE WISH to see, but there is no end of demands
for more details, especially irrelevant details.
The idea of abrogation is a Satanic idea,
and it was fabricated by Sunni and Shiite mushriks who had problems
with some verses when they tried to twist others. Ironically, his
mentality is not much different. It seems that he has rejected the
substance of his religion but he is keeping its mind set, its
fallacious reasoning methods exactly. No wonder, the Sunnis who are
following our argument have found Ali Sina much closer to
themselves!
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I have no comments about
the above. These are all your subjective observations of me. But we
already talked about abrogation. I quoted several verses of the Quran that
are contradictory. Without trying to refute what I wrote on this topic you
just repeated your original statement. You also keep accusing me of using
the haith, when my entire criticism was about the Quran.
I wish you engaged in
some debate and tried to refute my arguments instead of making
psychoanalysis of me. Even if your prognosis of me is found to be true, in
no ways it disproves my argument. In
logic this is called ad hominen. Ad hominem is when you, instead of
discussing the subject, direct you attack at your opponent. Here you and I
are discussing Islam and the claim of Muhammad. The topic is Quran. I have
laid some charges against this book. You must refute these charges. But
you have not done that, not even once. First you falsely accuse me of
using hadith and now you are finding faults about my person. Since this
debate is not about me (or you) but about Islam and Muhammad, I present no
defense of myself. What is clear is that you are dodging the questions
that I am raising. You have not refuted even one of my arguments.
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