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Edip Yuksel vs. Ali Sina
Round VIII -33
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Sina
wrote:
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Finally I would like to speak to
your heart. If you can’t defend Islam, why you cling to
this sinking ship? …
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Dou
you have heart Ali Sina? Then why are you playing as a pawn of
crusaders for their new colonialism plans? Why you distort facts,
you introduce hearsays of hearsays as facts, and dehumanize the
entire Muslim world? Don't you know that your hatred might justify
genocide against Muslims in the minds of some of your followers? I
wish you could be brave enough to stand against the terror,
destruction and massacres inflicted by evangelical crusaders and
their Zionist allies as you demonstrate bravery to stand against the
terror, destruction and massacres inflicted by Taliban and mullah
hislamics. I invited you to condemn ANY ACT OF AGGRESSION,
TERRORISM, ATROCITIES, VIOLENCE, and HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION
regardless of the religion or nationality of the perpetrator. You
should join me in using one standard if you have dignity and sense
of justice.
Despite
this bitter-tasting debate with you, I still pray for your guidance
and I hope that one day you will see the truth that well set you
free.
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Dear Edip.
I
do condemn any act of aggression, terrorism, atrocities and violence.
However I am not blinded by religious hatred and not completely bereft of
decrement. I am not an "evangelical crusader" or a Zionist. I am
a humanist and I am religion blind. I see no differences between people
and do not hate a particular group because of what they believe. I condemn
the acts of aggression, terrorism and violence and I condemn those who
perpetrate them. The Zionists or evangelical Christians are NOT
terrorizing people like your Muslim brothers do. If their beliefs are
based on fairytales, that is up to them. I am not here to right
everybody’s faith. I am not a religious crusader and I want to live in a
world where everyone is free to believe in the Faith of his choice. My
fight is only against aggression, terrorism, violence and doctrines of
hate that promote these evils. With all fairness I see only Muslims as the
aggressors, the terrorists, who are violent and who commit atrocities all
motivated by an ideology of hate. Of
course no one is saint and everyone is guilty of something. Others also
commit terrible things. But only Muslims do it because of their ideology.
Only Muslims think bombing innocent people, massacring children, ramming
planes into buildings and killing some clerks, or beheading innocent
people, truck drivers or health care givers are divine acts.
Everyone else commits atrocities, but only Muslims praise Allah
while doing it, consider it an ultimate act of worship and believe they
will be rewarded for it.
If
the American soldiers mistreat and humiliate a bunch of terrorists in Abu
Graib, the entire population of
America
is disdained; protests and the culprits are prosecuted. Today the very military
court found one of the guards guilty and he may face 14.5 years of jail.
If some Israeli soldiers abuse their power, the entire Jewish nation
condemns them. If some fanatical Hindus retaliate against the Muslims for
having killed their fellow co-religionists, the entire
India
is enraged. But when your terrorist brothers commit murder and kill
thousands of people, the majority of Muslims celebrates, cheers and
rejoices.
There
is something fundamentally wrong with Islam. That thing is the belief in
the hatemongering book of Quran and the monster called Muhammad.
I
am not distorting any facts. I am presenting them truthfully. I am
convinced that only truth can set us free. The person who is distorting
facts and tries to masquerade them with denials is you. What fantasy is
more comical than claiming that Muhammad is utterly irrelevant to his
message and even if he was a mass murderer, assassin, pedophile, thug it
has no bearing on his message? Forget about Muhammad. What is the message
of the Quran? Isn’t it anything but hate, terror and violence?
You
say “Don't
you know that your hatred might justify genocide against Muslims in the
minds of some of your followers?” First, I have no followers.
People who read this site are rational and freethinking people with
independent minds. Following is for the sheep. Second, I do not promote
hatred. I try to awaken the Muslims so they leave the cult of hate and
join the fold of humanity. There is nothing in it for me except the peace
of mankind and a better future for our children. This is my contribution
to humanity. It was Muhammad who promoted hate. It was he who divided
mankind into Kafirs, vs. believers; “us” vs. them. I want to end this
dichotomy. I want to bring the misguided followers of this mad man of the
seventh Century back to the fold of humanity. I am a foot-soldier of love
and unity of mankind and not a warmonger and hate monger. Thirdly, it is
not me who is justifying genocide. It is Islam that justifies genocide.
The Quran is filled with violence and terror. What do you think is the
effect of verse that say:
9:5
Slay the idolaters wherever you find them
8:12
I will instill terror into the hearts of the
unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips
off.
9:14
Fight them, and Allah will punish them by
your hands, cover them with shame,
9:29
Fight those who do not believe in God and the
last day... and fight People of the Book, who do not accept the religion
of truth (Islam) until they pay tribute by hand, being inferior"
3:85
Whoso desires another religion than Islam, it
shall not be accepted of him; in the next world he shall be among the
losers."
9:28
O you who believe! Verily, the Mushrikûn (unbeleivers)
are Najasun (impure). So let them not come near Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (at
Makkah) after this year, …”
And hundreds
of other fiery verses like these?
But look at
you! You are pouring your unbounded vituperation on the Zionists and the
Christian “crusaders”, with sheer lies and slanders and instilling
hate in the hearts and minds of the impressionable and benighted young
Muslims. It is you who encourage them to join the terrorist camps and
become human bombs. You and your anti west, anti American, anti Semite and
anti human rhetoric are the culprit, the hate monger and the corrupter of
the minds not me. Talk about
self-projection.
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I
challenge you to use scientific evidence and reason for your
criticism of the Quran. I will NOT continue debate with you if you
ONE MORE TIME refer to or quote from hadith, Sira or tafseer books
that I have rejected vehemently since 1986. If you cannot criticize
the Quran without referring to hearsays of hearsays, then you will
be proving to the entire world that you lost this debate against
someone who followed the Quran alone.
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Scientific
evidence and reason is exactly what I am using to reject that hodgepodge
of absurdities of the book you call miracle? What is scientific about this
book of idiocy? Quran is an insult to human intelligence. Let us discuss
the “scientific evidence” of the Quran. It is time to dismantle all
the lies and remove all the veils so haply some of the Muslims wake up and
see how much they have been mislead and become part of the human family of
mankind. Islam sustains itself through brainwashing. There is noting
logical or scientific in this book of terror.
I am not
asking you to defend the hasith and Sira. I am asking you to skip all the
hadith and Sira that I quote. Disregards them completely. Those are for
the benefit of the readers to show the fallacy of your position. You are
not required to even acknowledge them. Keep your head in the sand and
defend Islam in that position. Just respond to my accusations of the
Quran. Can you tell us what did Muhammad mean when he said unbelievers are
najis (filthy, impure, untouchable)? 9:28
or explain all the hundreds of
other verses that do nothing but foment hate and violence? Can people become
najis by virtue of what they believe. Is that scientific? Let us talk
about science.
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Finally,
I would prefer that you post my responses all together, rather
chopping them and using them in your complete articles. You had
eliminated some of the quotation in my responses and thus making it
difficult for the reader to follow my response to each point. If you
visit the forum of 19.org you will see what I mean.
Peace,
Edip
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I am
interpolating your words and mine. Everything you have written is posted.
This is the easiest way for the readers to follow this debate. This
eliminates the need of me quoting you and you quoting me, as it is done in
the forum, which only creates useless duplications and repetitions and
waste of people’s time reading the same things twice. I delete my words
when you quote me but your text is clear. I leave them when your text is
not independently clear. Unlike you I am fully aware of the importance of
the “context” as we already discussed in this debate. Furthermore your
entire articles with my quotes are in the forum of this site as posted by
yourself.
Now please bring forth the "scientific evidence" of the
Quran. I am sure our readers can't wait to see how can such a book of
terror be scientific and logical.
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