Edip Yuksel vs. Ali Sina

Round VI -19

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There are more verses that prescribe gruesome acts of violence and torture against those who reject Islam and like me oppose it.

8:12, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them  

8:15-16, O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!

8:17, It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah: when thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah’s: in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself.

8:60,  Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly. 

8:65, O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers   

Let us make it clear that Muslims were never under attack. These wars that Muhammad is mentioning were offensive wars initiated by Muhammad himself. In fact war is a misnomer; they were raids. They are known as Qazwah, which does not mean war but raid, ambush or sudden attack. Muhammad hardly ever announced his plans to attack his victims. He took them by surprise when they were out attending their farms, looking after their herds or taking care of their daily business, were unarmed and unprepared. This is how a tiny army of heavily armed Muslims was able to slaughter a huge population of unprepared and unorganized civilians. At first even his followers were taken by throes of conscience. But soon they were reassured, first by divine confirmation revealed to Muhammad and then by the booty and women that they captured. Thus their conscience was put to rest by the greed of the booty and the rewards of the next world.   

The Suran 8, from which the above verses are taken is called Al-Aanfal (spoils of war, booty) and it was written in conjunction with the Battle of Badr. This battle was a raid staged by Muhammad on a Caravan carrying the goods of the merchants of the Quraish from Syria to Mecca. This Sura is a pep talk of Muhammad, on behalf of his Allah to his marauding gang. It is not about self defense. Muslims were always the aggressors. Today we are in war with Muslims. But as usual they are the aggressors. They have started it and they are the ones who are not letting it go.

The entire Quran reveal the aggressive nature of Islam but there is a hadith that sheds light on the fact that these wars were not only offensive but also unannounced and unexpected. The Submitters have taken the position to reject all the hadiths that they do not like while they cherry-pick the ones that are not incriminatory to establish the existence of Muhammad. The following haidth is for the benefit of the readers and I am not asking my opponent to respond to it or accept it. What I quoted from the Quran is enough to show the violent nature of Islam and there is no such thing as freedom of expression or belief in Islam. Here is that hadith:

Ibn 'Aun reported: I wrote to Nafi' inquiring from him whether it was necessary to extend (to the disbelievers) an invitation to accept (Islam) before meeting them in fight. He wrote (in reply) to me that it was necessary in the early days of Islam. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) made a raid upon Banu Mustaliq while they were unaware and their cattle were having a drink at the water. He killed those who fought and imprisoned others. On that very day, he captured Juwairiya bint al-Harith. Nafi' said that this tradition was related to him by Abdullah b. Umar who (himself) was among the raiding troops.”  Book 019, Number 4292:  

While Edip is not required to acknowledge or respond for the above hadith, he must answer for the following verse that confirms the above hadith,

7:4  How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them. (Pickthal)

With all these evidences and by what we find in the Quran, we can conclude that killing the apostates is very much in sync with what Muhammad taught and raiding civilians and murdering them was the way Islam expanded. We have also established that the Submitters or the "Quranonly" Muslims follow these very violent verses of the Quran that other Muslims follow and their talk of reformation is nothing but propaganda. When push comes to shove a Muslim is a Muslim and he will do what Muhammad instructed him to do.

Islam cannot be reformed. The violence of Islam is not limited to the hadith. The hadith merely reports the details of the brutalities committed by Muhammad. The whole Quran is replete with violence and terror. The reason these Quranonly Muslims do not want to accept part of the hadith is not because they are reformed or humanized or they do not agree with it. It is not because they are not violent or would not commit murder in the name of their religion. They are merely practicing another teaching of Muhammad and that is “the game of deception”.  They perfectly know that Islam without the hadith is meaningless. That is why when a person like Edip Yuksel writes a book on Islam he goes to the hadith and sira (the biography of Muhammad) to take all the necessary information. But when it comes to other less savory tales of Muhammad that portray him as an assassin, a warlord, a mass murderer, a lecher or a pedophile, he refuses to accept those hadiths as authentic. This is hypocrisy. This is deception. But nonetheless it is a facet of the same Islam.  

The sooner the world comes to the realization that Islam is not a religion like others, that it should not be accepted or tolerated, that it must be condemned and rejected, the sooner we will be able to end this insanity and save innocent lives.

Edip also wrote:  

Edip is absolutely right. I am not only willing but striving to bring all the people of the world together and make them see that humanity is under attack by an alien enemy who does not see us as Christians, Jews, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics, or Animists but merely as kafirs and as such deserving to die. Their enmity is with Mankind.  

You may say but Muslims are humans too. Is having the human appearance enough to make us humans? The sign of humanity is in our humanness. No person who believes in those inhumane teachings of the Quran that calls for killing and murder of innocent people deserves to be called human. Therefore, this is a war between humanity and a spiritually underdeveloped subhuman species. The actions of Muslims are barbaric. Their thoughts are beastly. They have no human conscience and they are preying on us humans. So this is a war between humans and Muslims. 

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