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Shabir Bhatti [email protected]
date Tue, Apr 22, 2008
subject Invitatation to mubahila
This is an invitation to Ali Sina to a mubahila in order for God to
decide who is wrong and who is right.
Ali Sina,
I have read all the rubbish you have written on your website.
I do not even see it right to argue with someone like you so i have a
diffrent way
to solve this.
I am extending to you an invitation to a mubahila, I will pray to my God
with my beliefs and
you pray to whomever you believe and and the first one to die in 90 days
was wrong.
If you think you are right and are willing to accept my offer contact me
with an acceptance.
We will wait for 90 days after your acceptance and see who was wrong.
If you do not accept this then i advice you remove ur website.
I am forwarding this website to as many people as i can with refrence to
your website so that there are witnesses.
I advice you to do the same.
Waiting for your reply.
Shabir Bhatti ([email protected])
And how do we know who won at the end of 90 days?
Regards
Ali Sina
The person who is wrong will not live to see the 91st day. If i am wrong
i will die before the end of the third month
and if you are wrong you will.
Do you accept?
Mr. Shabir Bhatti:
I accept that you pray so I die within 90 days. I will however not pray
for your death but rather your enlightenment and awakening. I harbor no
ill faith towards anyone. I consider Muslims as primary victims of a lie
and my goal is to help them see the truth, leave their cult, prosper and
live happily ever after. Praying for people's death is against my values.
I do not consider that as an ethical thing to do. Actually I think it is
stupid. Mind you, there are many people that I wish die soon and go to
hell, such as Osama Bin Laden, the despots in Iran, etc. However, I do not
sit there prying for their death. That would be waste of my time.
Nonetheless, you seem to think that by invoking evil on me, I will die.
Now, the fact is that anyone can die at anytime and no one can be certain
to live the next day. So there is always a chance that either one of us
die in these coming 90 days. This should be attributed to chance and not
to the effect of cursing. Therefore, assuming I die within 90 days, it is
no proof that I died because you cursed me. However, what if I do not die?
It proves that your cursing has had no effect and that your Allah is
helpless. What will you do if you see me still kicking after the lapse of
90 days? Will you then accept the fact that Islam is a lie? Allegedly
Allah in the Qur’an establishes mubahila as a legitimate method of
finding the truth.
3.61: If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full)
knowledge Hath come to thee, say: "Come! let us gather together,-
our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and
yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on
those who lie!"
Since I do not believe in this nonsense and I do not wish you harm, I am
not going to pray for your demise, but I welcome your curses . You are
also authorized to call upon all the Muslims you can find, and those who
read this (I am going to publish this exchange) to join you in cursing me
and invoking evil on me so I may die within 90 days. I suggest you write
to all the Islamic sites and ask them to advertise this unilateral
mubahila. Go to Muslims' comments page in faithfreedom.org site and write
to all the Muslims who wished me dead to join you in this mighty
enterprise. If millions of Muslims join, your cursing may have more
strength.
However, if after this time I am still alive, will you start questioning
the truth of the Quran and the claim of Muhammad? Will this be enough for
you to see that Muhammad was a liar?
While Jesus asked for forgiveness for those who crucified him, Muhammad
had so much hate in his heart for those who rejected him that he often
cursed them.
Here are a few examples:
Volume 5, Book 59, Number 397:
Narrated Salim's father:
That he heard Allah's Apostle, when raising his head from bowing of the
first Rak'a of the morning prayer, saying, "O Allah! Curse
so-and-so and so-and-so" after he had said, "Allah hears him
who sends his praises to Him. Our Lord, all the Praises are for
you!" So Allah revealed:-- "Not for you (O Muhammad!
)......(till the end of Verse) they are indeed wrong-doers."
(3.128) Salim bin 'Abdullah said' "Allah's Apostle used to invoke
evil upon Safwan bin Umaiya, Suhail bin 'Amr and Al-Harith bin Hisham.
So the Verse was revealed:-- "Not for you (O Muhammad!)......(till
the end of Verse) For they are indeed wrong-doers." (3.128)
The verse 3:128 says, it is up to Allah to decide whether he would punish
people or not. That cunning psychopath was a master manipulator. He knew
his curses will have no effect and his imaginary Allah is only a figment
of his imagination. He put these words in the mouth of his god so his
followers don't come to see that he is just a liar with no powers. Unlike
you who seem to actually believe in this nonsense to the extent that you
put your reputation or faith on line and promise to leave Islam if your
cursing do not come true, Muhammad was aware that he was lying. He left
for himself a scape rout.
This is another version of the same hadith:
Volume 6, Book 60, Number 83:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Whenever Allah's Apostle intended to invoke evil upon somebody or invoke
good upon somebody, he used to invoke (Allah after bowing (in the
prayer). Sometimes after saying, "Allah hears him who sends his
praises to Him, all praise is for You, O our Lord," he would say,
"O Allah. Save Al-Walid bin Al-Walid and Salama bin Hisham, and 'Aiyash
bin Abu Rabi'a. O Allah! Inflict Your Severe Torture on Mudar (tribe)
and strike them with (famine) years like the years of Joseph." The
Prophet used to say in a loud voice, and he also used to say in some of
his Fajr prayers, "O Allah! Curse so-and-so and so-and-so."
naming some of the Arab tribes till Allah revealed:--"Not for you
(O Muhammad) (but for Allah) is the decision." (3.128)
These are the teachings of that evil soul:
Book 009, Number 3562:
Ibn 'Umar (Allah be pleased with them) reported: Allah's Messenger (may
peace be upon him) asked a person from the Anger and his wife to invoke
curse (upon one another in order to testify to their truthfulness), and
then effected separation between them.
Is invoking curse upon one another the right way to find the truth? What
about fact findig, investigation, dialogue, reason and logic? Muhammad and
his followers want nothing to do with these. They have no understanding of
these terms. All they can do is curse and if that does not work, engage in
terrorism. What a pathetic religion! How can you not be ashamed of this
satanic belief?
Regards
Ali Sina
Do you believe in the supreme God, the God of the heavens and the earth,
the God who created all things?
Mr. Bhatti:
Whether I believe in God or not does not change the fact that Islam is a
lie. Let us say that I believe in God. What Islam has to do with God? This
is like the followers of David Koresh, the mad man who started a religion
and caused the death of tens of his followers say if you believe in God
you should believe in David Koresh. I see no connection between God and
Muhammad. Muhammad was a charlatan liar. This pervert man had no
understanding of God. He used God to fool people. This argument often used
by Muslims is a non sequitur.
This is not about me praying for you to die or you praying for me to
die, this is about both of us praying to God to decide who is wrong and
who is right.
God already knows which one of us is wrong. Why would he need that we
curse each other and invoke his wrath on one another to decide which one
is wrong? Isn’t that silly? Only an idiot man like Muhammad could come
up with such asininity. You and I live in this age of enlightenment. We
should not let a lunatic ignoramus fool us with his lies. If the idea is
for God to make people see the truth, then all he has to do is open the
eyes of those who are misguided.
Beacause if I am right, then you have comitted a grave sin and if you
are right then I will happily accept the punishment of God Almighty for
being ignorant.
Sin is in terrorizing, causing harm and doing evil. Ignorance is not sin.
People believe in all sorts of things with sincerity. They are so sure of
their beliefs that they are willing to sacrifice their lives for what they
believe. However, not all beliefs are true. Believing in lies is not sin,
it is ignorance. I believed in Islam, when I learned the truth, I stopped
believing. This does not mean I was a sinner because I believed in a lie.
I was only ignorant of the truth. Now let us say I came to a wrong
conclusion and Islam is true. I have committed no sin. I came to this
conclusion based on the evidences that I have found. I am challenging
anyone to prove me wrong and I will change my mind again if someone shows
that I am mistaken. God wants us to use our brains so we are not misled. I
used mine and found out that Muhammad is not leading me to God but to
evil. I stopped believing in him. Do you think I made a mistake? Why
don’t you show me my error? Why do you instead want to invoke the curse
of God on me so I die? This makes no sense. I know it does not make sense
to you either, but you rehash this nonsense because you think Muhammad was
a real messenger of God and believe in every absurdity that that crazy man
believed.
I assure you that God will not punish ignorant people. If there is
punishment, it is only for evil-doers such as Muhammad and those of his
followers who harm other people. He was the one who raided, looted, raped
and assassinated innocent people, not me. He was the one who fooled people
with his lies and made them kill one another while promising them orgies
in paradise, not me. He was the one who made people slaves, both
physically and mentally and threatened them against using their brains,
not me. If I am mistaken, I am only an ignorant person and no real God
will punish ignorant people, especially when I am asking Muslims to come
forth and show me my errors. But Muhammad cannot get off the hook so
easily. He committed too many crimes and if there is a hell, you can rest
assured that he is the one burning.
If you do not believe in the one God then its a different matter. In
that case call for the help of whatever you believe in.
Mr. Bhatti God has already given his help to us. He has given to everyone
brains and the faculty to think. This is all we need to find the truth.
There is no need for us to invoke evil on each other and pray for one
another’s death to see who is right, when all we have to do is use our
brains. How do you find your sustenance? Do you sit there all day praying
for food? If you do that you will die of hunger. You go out and earn your
living through work. You use your talent and your hands to earn your
bread. Food does not fall on your lap from the sky. You must earn it. You
should do the same when you want to find the truth. Read, ponder and use
your brain. It’s that simple. Alas, so many people cannot use their
brains when it comes to important things such as truth and rather believe
blindly in a charlatan.
This is not the first time the mubahila has been used and its authencity
is recorded in history.
In the case that you are still alive after the given period, i promise i
will (Allah forgive me) denounce Islam and join you.
Okay. If it takes this for you to see that Islam is a lie, I accept your
challenge. How about starting today? Remember that people die, whether
right or wrong. So if I die in these 90 days it is not the definite proof
that Islam is true. But if I don’t die, it is definite proof that Islam
is a lie and Muhammad was just a crazy man with no understanding of God.
What i need from you is a clear acceptance, In the words I (your name)
accept this mubahila or a clear rejection.
If you reject it, then you have to take down your website and tell all
those you have infected that you are wrong.
I have already accepted. So let us establish the date of the publication
of this debate as the start of this unilateral muhahila. Since I am not
praying for your death, I expect you to write after 90 days and declare
your apostasy. If you don’t write, people will think that you are dead
and that all those cursing has backfired. That God finally got tired of
you and took your life to show you the truth in the other word. So if you
are still alive, you must write and declare your apostasy. This is your
own term. After all why would you want to believe in a religion that
according to your own parameter is false?
I do not want to get into a debate about authencity of things. You
extended a challenge and you except people to accept it. So here i am
extending you a challenge, if you believe you are right why not just
accept it.
Waiting for your acceptance or rejection.
Shabir Bhatti
I agree with your challenge. I am also going to publish your email address
so those who want to join you in your effort can contact you. I also urge
you to contact any Islamic organization and mosque and give me their names
so I can publish them. I want a lot of Muslims join this cursing business.
If you are an angry Muslim and believe in the nonsense of muhahila, please
join the party. Haply at the end, those who took part in this silly
enterprise will see the stupidity of it and will start questioning Islam.
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Mr. Shabir Bhatti sent this email:
I have read the article, and i am very happy you did so. Now the matter
is in Allah's hands.
Shabir Bhatti
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