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Mona J


Mona J in her site http://islam4women.8m.com/ wrote:

One of  the visitors on my website (Guestbook) mentioned this web page: www.faithfreedom.org (note that she later removed the link to my site)

After reading though most of it I realized that his only intention is to cause hatred and intolerance.  I am not surprised that Tripod.com cancelled his website account because he “was found to be in violation of their Terms of Service”.

He knows a few things about Islam, especially about what Muslims are particularly proud of. I.e. the authenticity and the miracle of the Holy Qur’an, its poetry, its grammar and its astonishing accordance with modern sciences. For more about this theme I recommend my readers to read on my website, Topic no. 5 (“What the Qur’an has to say about sciences…”) 

In comparison the Bible is full of contradictions and errors regarding natural phenomena.

This is a book by a Frenchman dealing with issue.(see last Topic of my website): "The Bible, The Qur’an And Science" by Maurice Bucaille, "... many questions regarding The Bible and The Quran clarified.." Available at http://www.amazon.com   

I must admit, Mr. Sina is right in one point arguing that Islam today is in a bad shape. The teachings of the Holy Qur’an are widely not respected. He mentions how some Muslims have behaved badly at times of war or otherwise. What Muslims do, must not necessarily mean that they are behaving according to the Qur’an and the teachings of the Prophet (p.b.u.h.).  They are humans, and may God forgive them.

Instead many Muslims are relying more on the Hadiths, which are orally transmitted reports about the lifetime of the Prophet.  Please visit my webpage to learn more about them and how they were preserved (Topic no. 7).

"God does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. God loves the equitable." (Qur’an 60:8)

 

Mr. Ali Sina: “grammatical errors in the Qur'an”

It is obvious, that Mr. Ali Sina does not speak or read Arabic. Otherwise he would not so to give such a statement about the Arabic grammar. The language of the Holy Qur’an is the main reference of Arabic grammar. It is the Arabic grammar, there no other.

I have the feeling that he does not really exist. As in the case of the other ugly and biased web page (which is the reason I am writing my page) somebody is using an Arab name to give his writings the impression of authenticity.

 

Mr. Ali Sina: “Islam advocates killing the non-Muslims, abuses the human rights of the minorities and women. Islam expanded by Jihad (holy war) and forced its way by killing the non-believers and the dissidents.”

This is a straight lie. He takes sentences (Suras) from the Qur’an out of context. It must be remembered that the message was given to the Prophet in fragments over a period spanning approximately 23 years, on different occasions, as a guide or reference to deal with a specific situation. They were immediately memorized by him and his followers and written down.

Before any war the Prophet sent invitations to convert to Islam and only as a last resort  the Muslim army used to take up arms. Also, the Christians and the Jews and Sabians are not Non-believers, as stated in the Qur'an where they are called "the People of the Book" (Revelation), i.e.: 

"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve." (Qur'an 2:62)

Of course, in a war casualties are unavoidable. The Muslim fought those wars to spread the message of Islam and thus the  purpose of the wars was not eradiate other peoples or make them slaves. Instead their countries were integrated into the greater Muslims community. They were even granted freedom of faith.  Those who did not want to convert immediately had to pay a slight higher taxes that the Muslims did.

"...You shall resort to pardon, advocate tolerance, and disregard the ignorant." (Q. 7:199)

".. So pardon them and ask forgiveness for them and consult them upon the conduct of affairs..." (Q.3:153. This verse refers to war prisoners after the battle of Badr)

"If anyone commits aggression against you, attack him just as he attacked you, and fear God, and be sure that God is with those who fear Him." (Q.2:194)
"If you have to respond to an attack, retaliate only to the extent of the attack leveled against you, but to bear yourselves with patience is indeed far better for (you, since God is with) those who are patient in adversity." (Q.16:126)
 

Please visit the website (Topic no.5)  for more Sura of the Qur'an.

 

To prove Mr. Sina wrong some Suras of the Qur’an:

"There shall be no compulsion in religion". (Qur’an 2:256)

"Truth comes from your Lord. Let anyone who will, believe, and let anyone who wishes, disbelieve" (Q.18.29)

"If they seek peace. Then seek you peace. And trust in God for He is the One that hear and know all things." (Q.8.61)

".. Therefore, if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then God gives you no excuse to fight them." (Q. 4:90)

"And fight in the way of God with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely God does not love those who exceed the limits. And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers. But if they desist, then surely God is Forgiving, Merciful." (Q.2:190-92)

"The Sacred month for the sacred month and all sacred things are (under the law of) retaliation; whoever then acts aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the injury he has inflicted on you and be careful (of your duty) to God and know that God is with those who guard (against evil)." (Q.2:194)

"O you who believe! when you go to war in Allah's way, make investigation, and do not say to any one who offers you peace: You are not a believer. Do you seek goods of this world's life! But with Allah there are abundant gains; you too were such before, then Allah conferred a benefit on you; therefore make investigation; surely Allah is aware of what you do." (Q. 4.94)

"... and do not aggress; God dislikes the aggressors." (Q.5:87)

 "And do not kill any You shall not kill any person - for God has made life sacred - except in the course of justice, and whoever is slain unjustly, We have indeed given to his heir authority, so let him not exceed the just limits in slaying; surely he is aided." (Q.17:33)

"O you who believe! when you go to war in God's way, make investigation, and do not say to any one who offers you peace: You are not a believer. Do you seek goods of this world's life! But with God there are abundant gains; you too were such before, then God conferred a benefit on you; therefore make investigation; surely God  is aware of what you do." (Qur'an 4.94)

".., we decreed for the Children of Israel that anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people." (Qur'an 5:32)

" And if you take your turn, then retaliate with the like of that with which you were afflicted; but if you are patient, it will certainly be best for those who are patient." (Q.16:126)

" That (shall be so); and he who retaliates with the like of that with which he has been afflicted and he has been oppressed, God will most certainly aid him; most surely. God is Pardoning, Forgiving." (Q.22:60)

"So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if God had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of God, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish. He will guide them and improve their condition. And cause them to enter the garden which He has made known to them. O you who believe ! if you help (the cause of) God, He will help you and make firm your feet."(Q.47:4-7)

"...You shall resort to pardon, advocate tolerance, and disregard the ignorant." (Q. 7:199)

"...... You shall not kill - God has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. These are His commandments to you, that you may understand."(Q. 6:151)

"God forbids you not, with regards to those who fight you not for (your) faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them; for God loves those who are just." (Q. 60:8)

"God does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. God loves the equitable." (Qur’an 60:8)

"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve." (Qur'an 2:62)

"Do not argue with the people of the scripture (meaning the Jews and Christians) except in the nicest possible manner - unless they transgress - and say: 'We believe in what was revealed  to us and in what was revealed to you, and our God and your God is one and the same;  to Him we are submitters.' " (Qur’an 29:46) 

"You shall invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment, and debate with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones." (Qur'an 6:125)

 “Say: ‘We believe in God, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Ismael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord; We make no difference between one and another of them, And we submit to God.” (Qur’an 2:136)

“Shall I not inform you of a better act than fasting, alms and prayers? Making peace between one another: Enmity and malice tear up heavenly rewards by the roots.” (Prophet Mohammad, p.b.u.h.)

 

Mr. Ali Sina: Muhammad lived a less than holy life. His lust for sex, his affairs with his maids and slave girls, his pedophilic relationship with Aisha a 9- year-old child at the age of 53, his killing sprees, his massacre and the  genocide of the Jews, his slave making and trading, his assassination of his opponents, his raids and lootings of the merchant caravans, his burning of the palm plantations, his destroying the water wells, his cursing and invoking evil on his enemies and his revenge on his captured prisoners of war disqualify him as a decent human being let alone the messenger of God

For these accusations I wish you my readers would go to my web page and read for yourselves, you will be convinced otherwise (Topics no. 3, 5 and 6).

About Lady Aisha:  she must have been in her late teens at the time of the marriage.

About slavery:  Islam introduced a method to abolish this ancient custom and within 40 years slavery was practically disappeared from the early Muslim community.

About revenge on his captured prisoners, destroying water wells or fields:   I wonder from where Mr. Sina gets his information. The Hadiths and the Qur’an have numerous passages which prove that the case was just the opposite. Islam introduced  Geneva convention like rules for combat, 1400 years ago!

 

For every Sura from the Qur’an which Mr. Sina takes out of context we can find numerous (if not tenfold or more) other complete Suras proving that the case is just the opposite.

If we read the Qur’an with an open mind we realize that spirit of it is that of tolerance, equality, women rights, human rights, love for the neighbour and the less fortunate. 

We must also remember, that it was given to the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) on different occasions to deal with specific situations, thus we must take into account the prevailing customs at that time. In this context the message of the Holy Qur’an was revolutionary regarding human rights, women rights and even animal rights!

 

Mr. Sina, I do not threaten your life nor do I wish anything bad happen to you.

May God forgive you your hatred and guide you to the right path.

You should remember that everybody of us, regardless of our faith, is accountable for his or her deeds and intentions. Unless you are an atheist, the saddest of all beliefs .

Salaam and may peace prevail !

Mona J.

 


 

Dear Mona J. 

Let me thank you on two accounts: First for being so polite, this is indeed such rare quality among Muslims. The prophet himself used to curse his enemies sometimes for one whole month after reciting his prayers. He even cursed his own uncle and (Sura 111)  Interestingly in Islam often followers are more virtuous than the leader.  Second for being so courageous and making a link to my site from yours. No other Islamic site has ever done so. As a mater of fact those who post links to my site in any Muslim-moderated chat room or bulletin board find that their message is censored and the link to my site removed.  Anyway, be prepared to receive many emails from Muslims urging you to remove the link to faithfreedom.org I hope you'll stand for your principles and reject their demands.

You wrote that after reading my site you realized that my only intension is to cause hatred and intolerance. I am afraid you did not read enough or you read it with a lot of prejudice to come to this conclusion. The only reason I fight Islam is because it is a religion of hate and intolerance. I am promoting unity of human kind, tolerance and love. I have written many articles and published many from other freethinkers and humanists. My writings are more voluminous than the Quran. I challenge you to go through them and find one sentence that is hateful towards people. Please do so. I promise if you find one I will remove my site. Is this good enough for you?  Mind you there is a difference between people and what they believe. My acceptance of people does not necessarily entail their intolerant beliefs.  

Now let us see few verses from Quran that call for intolerance and hate. 

Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.   48:29,   

O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end. 66: 9 

"O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love Infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong".9: 23

There is of course more. Read these for example

Do you say these are taken out of context? Try to quote one “out of context” sentence such as these from my writings that make me look as hatemongering as Muhammad. Please try. You will see that you cannot quote me being hateful to any human being even "out of the context". I wonder when we Muslims get tired of our "out of the context" mania. The violence and hate is the context of Quran. Hate is the message of Islam.  Can't you see?

Please tell me why is it that those Muslims who dedicate years going to madresas and read sharia are more prone to become terrorists? Shouldn’t it be the reverse? Please tell me why all Islamic countries have barbaric practices such as stoning, maiming, child abuse, etc. are poor and uncivilized compared to the rest of the world? Shouldn’t it be the reverse?  Why ungodly nations have all the science, technology and knowledge and the godly Islamic nations are so ignorant? Doesn't this raise the red flag that something is wrong with Islam? 

You wrote,

“I must admit, Mr. Sina is right in one point arguing that Islam today is in a bad shape. The teachings of the Holy Qur’an are widely not respected. He mentions how some Muslims have behaved badly at times of war or otherwise. What Muslims do, must not necessarily mean that they are behaving according to the Qur’an and the teachings of the Prophet (p.b.u.h.).  They are humans, and may God forgive them.”

I am afraid you did not read enough of my writings. As a mater of fact you did not read any of my articles. You read only the introduction to my site and started to write your rebuttal. In the challenge that I issued I said please read few of my articles before reaching for the keyboard and writing your rebuttal. I said you would be shooting at your foot if you don’t. But looks like you did not pay much heed. If you had read only a few pages of my articles you would have known that I am not blaming Muslims for the crimes that they commit in the name of God. I consider them victims of a very diabolic cult. I blame it all on Islam. Those Muslims who are terrorists and do evil are those who follow Islam. Otherwise most Muslims who know very little of Islam and are Muslims only by name are great people. My own grandmother was a saint. She never missed a prayer but she did not know the meaning of the words that she was uttering. Many of Muslims that I know are wonderful people. They think Islam teaches, “love thy neighbor” (This is from Jesus). They think Islam promotes forgiveness (Muhammad was a vengeful man who did not forgive even his own mother and did not pray for her even fifty years after her death when he visited her tomb). Muslims project their best ideals on Islam and assume that Islam is a religion of peace of light and forgiveness. But the truth is that Muhammad was a man full of deceit, hate and violence.

Muslim women so naively say that Islam gives them more right. What a ridiculous statement. Muhammad called women “deficient in intelligence”, he said the majority of the inhabitants of the hell are women and scared them to pay him their jewels as alms, he even legalized the domestic violence by allowing men to abuse their wives verbally, emotionally and physically 4:34 . How can any woman respect a man who said "Your women are a tilt for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilt as ye will," 2:223  When I see Muslim women defending Muhammad, a man who disdained them so much, I start thinking may be he was right and Muslim women are deficient in intelligence. I wonder what is your opinion in this respect. Do you think you are deficient in intelligence or you disagree with this statement? If you disagree you are contradicting your prophet, but if you agree with him and truly believe to be deficient in intelligence then by virtue of this deficiency you are incapable and disqualified to judge the truth of Muhammad. You need to listen to someone who is not deficient in intelligence. I do not consider myself to be deficient in intelligence and I tell you  that Muhammad was a liar. Women are not deficient in intelligence. Many non-Muslim women around the word have demonstrated to be not inferior to men in any ways. So when Muhammad says: “but men have a degree (of advantage) over them (women)” 2:228,. You know that it is a misogynist barbarian talking and you as a modern woman should not believe in such nonsense. Did you notice that Muhammad's god in Quran never addresses women directly? Women are always referred to in third person as if they really did not matter. Doesn't this say that Quran is written for men? 

Please respond to this question before we can continue. Do you agree with Muhammad that women are deficient in intelligence or you disagree with him and think he was wrong? This is very important because in the second case you are not a Muslim and in the first case I do not have to waste my time debating with someone who is deficient in intelligence. This won’t be a fair debate.

In case you have not read the views of the Prophet on women please see this article.

You disagreed with me when I said Quran is a book full of errors and claimed that it is a miracle. Please see some of the errors of Quran and try to prove us wrong. You will be doing a great service to Islam if you do so. Also to find the response to Maurice Bucaile you should see this article. And to find out why he wrote such ridiculous book you should see what motivated him in this article.  

Miracles of Quran! What a  joke. Please see these rebuttals.  

You wrote, 

“Before any war the Prophet sent invitations to convert to Islam and only as a last resort the Muslim army used to take up arms. Also, the Christians and the Jews and Sabians are not Non-believers, as stated in the Qur'an where they are called "the People of the Book" (Revelation), i.e.”

Is this a good thing in your opinion? Would it be okay if, say for example, Hindus give ultimatums to Muslims to convert and if they fail “as a last resort” take arms against them? Where is your brain sister? Where is the justice in this? Isn’t this plain barbarity? Isn’t this brutality? How can you justify this with the verse "There is no compulsion in religion" that you are so fond of quoting? Are you really so devout that you confuse this plain violation of human rights with justice? It is a shame that Muslims are so brainwashed that can no more distinguish between right and wrong. Why people who want to keep their own religion and pray to their own god should face the military might of Muslims? Why they dare to tell me and the rest of the world to believe in a religion that we do not want to believe and then feel justified to take sword, guns and bombs against us and murder us if we decide not to believe in Islam? Tell me where is the humanity and justice in this barbaric act? Tell me isn’t this what Bin Laden did? Then isn't this a lie when you say he is not a true Muslim? You and I know perfectly that Bin Laden is the real Muslim, Khomeini was the real Muslim, Talibans, the Hamas, the Hizbollahis, the Palestinian human bombers and the terrorists of September 11 were the real Muslims.  Why do you try to depict Islam as a religion of peace when you admit that it is a religion that expanded by force, violence and murder?  "As the last resort" eh? 

You quoted me saying, “Islam advocates killing the non-Muslims, abuses the human rights of the minorities and women. Islam expanded by Jihad (holy war) and forced its way by killing the non-believers and the dissidents.”

And commented. “This is a straight lie. He takes sentences (Suras) from the Qur’an out of context.”

Well sister, tell me now who is the liar? You agree that Muslims are asked to resort to arms and kill those who resist believing in Islam and when I say the same thing you call me a liar! Aren’t you embarrassed.  Isn't this hypocrisy? 

You quoted the following verse to show how Islam is tolerant:

"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve." (Qur'an 2:62)

There is another verse that was written after this one, which says.

  Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.9:29,

People of the Book are the Jews, the Christians, and the Sabians. Which verse is the right one?

I have found also other verses such as this one:

"Whoso desires another religion than Islam, it shall not be accepted of him; in the next world he shall be among the losers." 3: 85

Can you reconcile these verses with the one you quoted? May be you can’t, but I can. The verse that you quoted was “revealed” when Muhammad was weak and aspired the alliance of the Jews and Christians. The ones that I quoted were written when he became powerful and the Jews and Christians did not pay attention to his lunatic claims.

In fact all those “nice” verses that you quoted from Quran are from the time that Muhammad was weak. This is natural that in such state he would speak of tolerance and other good stuff. But Muhammad showed his true nature when he came to power and became the uncontested despot of the land. All his crimes started when he became powerful and his message also changed. Don’ you believe me? See the truth here. There you'll see why all those "nice and tolerant" verses of Quran were replaced with cries of killing, looting and murdering. There you will see why Muslims are literally asked to lie as long as they are weak and as soon as they become powerful they are asked to as you say "as the last resort" kill them. Aren't you really ashamed for defending such a diabolic cult? If there is a day of justice where do you think Muslims would go? Don't you think you are paving the road that would take your soul to the pit of the hell?   But I am not concerned about hell or heaven. I do not wish to fool people by demagogy. My concern is this world and the peace that must reign here. I want to eliminate the beliefs that advocate killing people for their beliefs, race or any other pretext. We are one humanity. Let us throw to into the garbage the doctrines that advocate disunity, inequality and hate.  Let us not allow charlatans and barefaced swindlers separate us from each other with silly pretexts such as religion, race, class or nationality. We are limbs of one body of human kind let us not see each others as distinct.  We are flowers of one garden, let us cherish and celebrate our differences of color, hue and fragrance.

You also claimed that Aisha was in her late teens when he married Muhammad. Y The proof that Aisha was 6 years old when Mo fell in love with her and 9-years-old (8 years 9 months according to solar calendar) when he married her and consummated his marriage with that child in the same forenoon is overwhelming. See the proof here

I have also refuted the claim that Aisha was a teenager when the holy prophet performed sex with her in this article.

About slavery you wrote:  “Islam introduced a method to abolish this ancient custom and within 40 years slavery was practically disappeared from the early Muslim community.”

Oh dear! How much ignorance is prevailing among the Muslims! Why you are so reluctant to read the history of your own religion?  Muhammad attacked the Jews of Medina and Kheibar and after killing the men he took their women and children and sold them as slaves. He even allowed Muslim men to sleep with women captured in war as “their right hand possessions”. Omar and Ali enslaved hundreds of thousands of Iranians and sold them in the markets of Mecca and Medina. Aisha had thousands of slaves. Where is that “method” to abolish slavery that you are talking about? Can you be more specific please? Can you show me a verse from the Quran that prohibit that? Why do you what to fool yourself? Why do you want to lie to yourself? Muslims would practice slavery even today openly if they did not fear the reaction of the Westerners. In Sudan they are doing it right now. The Saudi Arabia is the biggest Market of young girls purchased from Iran that is now reduced to a poor third world country and other Islamic nations. The market of sex slaves in oil rich Arab countries is a multi billion dollar market. If Muhammad introduced a "method" I would like to know why he and his Sahaba (close followers) did not follow? What is that method and why it failed?  

You wrote,

“About revenge on his captured prisoners, destroying water wells or fields:   I wonder from where Mr. Sina gets his information. The Hadiths and the Qur’an have numerous passages which prove that the case was just the opposite. Islam introduced  Geneva convention like rules for combat, 1400 years ago!” 

This is what happens when people start writing without reading the proofs that I present. Read the treatment of the Jews by your prophet to see how brutal was this man. “Geneva Convention hah? What a joke! Does Geneva Convention say massacre all the men and the boys who have reached puberty and enslave and sell the women and children as Muhammad did with the Banu Qurayza? Does the Geneva Convention say raid cities without warning, kill all able men who have gone out for their daily business, enslave all the young women and rape them and take away their properties and put the elderly and sick to till the land and give to the invader HALF of the proceeds as Muhammad did with the Jews of Kheibar?  Does Geneva Convention say sleep with women you capture in wars even if they are married as Muhammad instructed the Muslims to do in Quran 4:24 or he himself did with Safiyah the Jewess of Bani Nadir whose father, husbad and many relatives Muhammad killed and Ryhanah the Jewess of Babu Qurayza? 

I have published your response to me and provided a link to your site in mine. I hope you will do the same and publish my response to you and provide a link to this page.

Kind regards 

Ali Sina 

P.S. Since you questioned my identity, suppose my real name is Ishaq Yahoody or John Christianson. Does that really make any difference? Does that make Islam a true religion? When are we going to learn to answer the charges and stop the adhominem? 

 

 

 

 

 

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