Jp1r
>To: <[email protected]>
Subject: questions from a practicing muslim
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:36:35 -0500
My fingers are shaking as I'm
typing this. I decided to email you after reading some (and not all) of
the pages on your website. I decided to create an email address just to
be able to email you anonymously. It is with a heavy heart that I've
decided to contact you.
I'm a PRACTICING Muslim who
fasts, prays daily 5 times
(with some sunnah rakaa also). I just recently decided to stop consuming
non halal meat, even though the imam in my town said that he buys his
halal meat from 'Kroger', encouraging us to do so too. I did so (stick
with halal meat) purely because of respect for life, including animal
life. If all living things have a soul (rou'h) which is instilled by
God, then how can Man take it away without first asking for his
permission? Since the soul
is actually God's, then it is only he who can authorize us to take it
away.
However, September 11 was an
important date for me. I was mostly moved by Usama's laughter when he
was savagely bragging about the massacre he created.
I had started asking
questions earlier when I was surrounded by acquaintances who applauded
the Palestinian suicide bombers. It was the site of a shredded stroller
at the Pizzeria in Jerusalem after the detonation of a human bomb that
touched me, and I could not understand how can anyone condone this.
I'm quite confused. I've been
a rebellious Muslim ever since I was a teenager (many years ago), who
insisted on pursuing prayers in a non-practicing middle eastern
household. I've moved to
the US and became a citizen over 14 years ago. I have to tell you that I
was torn by my own hypocrisies, the strongest of which being my
persisting sexual curiosity. Sex has always captivated me and only
caused me to suffer this conflict tremendously. Marriage over 10 years
ago helped somewhat quell this 'sinful' curiosity, but never healed it.
The more I tried to devout my self to my religion, the more I hated
myself for not taming my voyeurism (a cable connected internet at home
did not help, since the whole world now became attainable-- at least
visually).
Nothing however compared to
how I felt after reading your intro page and some articles by T. Nasrin
and Ibn Warraq. You somehow connected the dots, but the conclusion you
reached scares me beyond belief. Could it be true? Could Islam be
nothing but a mirage? How else do I explain how unfair life is? How
could a creator allow so much misery and
not compensate those who suffered the most? How can I explain 3
million deaths in Rwanda? How can I explain their new misery brought on
by a newly erupting volcano? How can I explain how people can get
slaughtered in Afghanistan or on electric chairs here in the US? The
hereafter was the only way I can justify living in this life, among all
the injustices of the world or dunia? Will there be no God/ No justice?
If I leave Islam (and possibly my 2 kids and wife , who is a devout
Muslim--since she'll surely leave me), then what is the alternative? How
can I live securely and happily in this world knowing that I can sleep
with a full stomach while others starve to death?
Another question comes to
mind: Am I allowing myself to read through to make it easier for me to
live my double life (I surf adult web site while claiming to pray?). Am
I setting myself up to renounce my Islam so that I can indulge
comfortably in voyeurism? If not, then why am I allowing myself to type
on, while I did not read through and analyze EVERYTHING you wrote? Am I
waiting for an opportunity to blame Islam for my ills? How can I, a Arab
born Muslim, be contemplating this horrendous act, while people in
droves are converting to Islam without even learning to speak
Arabic?
You attack Islam viciously on
you page http://www.secularislam.org/articles/call.htm,
yet I'm aware of hadiths
that assure us: Innama alddeen almuamalt
(religion is but how you treat each other). Culture , sciences
and happiness were flourishing when and where Islam was. It is what
lighted the dark skies if medieval Europe, who paid Islam back with
their murderous crusades. But some of what you're saying is correct:
Islam asks us to always take the middle ground when deciding between 2
or more options/decisions, yet the only 2 decision that seem to present
themselves in Islam can be summarized by: choosing what's right vs.
choosing what's wrong! What kind of a choice is this? (e.g. does a woman
wear hijab or not? if the answer is yes, you're going to heaven,
otherwise you'll be burning in hell...not much room left for a 3rd
option, so how can I pick the middle ground? The same questions holds
true for Jihad/prayer/...etc.)
I have many questions I need
to answer myself first, but I thought I'd share with you what's going on
in my head. Another person with a similar background can help ease my
confusion and would I like them to respond to me. I feel only a fellow
Muslim with an Arab heritage can understand me now since I can not
explain my concerns any more (as if someone is asking you to do a sex
change operation).... Words can not explain the confused state I'm in
now, and I've stretched my limited English vocabulary to its limit.
Thank you....
Dear jp1r,
Ibn Warraq passed
your email to me for response, as he is extremely busy.
As for halal meat you
should know a couple of things. Killing
animals the Islamic way, i.e. slitting their throat open and letting
them bleed to death is extremely cruel and inhumane. If you are really
concerned about hurting the animals you should not consume halal meat.
The way animals are slaughtered in the West is far less painful and
shocking for them. However the best diet in my opinion is vegetarian.
The reason in Islam the animal must bleed to death in order for its meet
to become halal is a relic of an interpretation of Judaism that
considered the blood is the soul or the soul is in the blood. Today the
Jehowa witnesses have this belief and they refuse transfusion of blood
for this very reason. They want to avoid the mixing of spirits. So halal
meet has something to do with superstitions and not with hygiene or
health.
You call yourself a
"hypocrite" for "having sexual curiosity". Let me
assure you that there is nothing inherently sinful in sex or sexual
curiosity. This is very natural. If you did not have sexual desires or
curiosities I would have told you to see a doctor. The worst thing you
can do is to blame yourself for your natural feelings. This feeling of
guilt is the worst enemy of humans. Religions have antiquated
moralities. They do not have any solutions or answers to human needs but
they only TELL you what you SHOULD do and what you SHOULD NOT do. They
induce in you the guilt and that is what is devastating and
demoralizing.
There is nothing
wrong in sexual curiosity. But if this become an obsession in a way that
it intervenes with your life and affect it negatively then religions
cannot help you, you need to see a psychologist and get some help. Do
not go to a mullah or a priest; visit a licensed psychologist.
Also it is true that
Muslim men are more obsessed with sex than the westerners and it has to
do with the sexually repressive environment in which we grew up. The
sexually charged atmosphere and the practice of sexual ostracism has
brain damaged most of us. We are all victims of Islam and its pernicious
sense of morality. Even Muhammad himself had this perverse sense of
sexuality. The fact that he desired every young woman at his advanced
age, that he lusted and had sex with a 9 year old child, that he refused
to shake hand with women who wanted to pay allegiance to him and his
cause are all tell tales of his inner trauma and his unsatisfied or
suppressed sexual urges. He was being torn between guilt and lust. His
sever punishments for adulterers is nothing but self reprimands.
Unfortunately we have half a billion Muslim men following the example of
a sick man and all of us evince the same symptoms of sexual deprivation,
sexual deviations and sexual aberrations. Sex is never a healthy
exercise for Muslim men. We are traumatized by it. We have our sexual
urges like any other animal but we are ashamed of it. We feel guilt for
it and this guilt is the most devastating blow on our self-confidence
and self esteem.
May be this is the reason why women are abused by chauvinistic Muslim
men and why Muhammad was a misogynist. Women in Islam are not seen and
independent human beings but as sex objects and a threat to men's
spirituality.
You asked about the
hereafter. This topic is not easy to answer. I personally do believe in
the survival of soul. I have had personal evidences that the reality
does not end with matter. Other rationalists do not believe in such
thing. It really does not matter who is right and who isn't. As human
beings we have to live ethically. In other words we have to implement
the principles of fairness in all spheres of our life because this
enhances our life and makes us feel good. The joy of doing good is in
doing it and not in the rewards that we expect to receive from it. The
only religion we need, the only guidance we require is what is defined
as the Golden Rule, "Do to others what you expect them do it to
you"
You wrote that if you
leave Islam your kids and wife will surely leave you. In the first place
I do not think it is a good idea to announce your departure from Islam
publicly. Today millions of Muslims do not believe in Islam yet no one
knows about that. Many of my friends and relatives have no idea that I
am an "apostate" and I don't see any need to volunteer this
private information. So you can stop believing in the mumbo jumbo of
Islam without letting anyone in your secret world. Though you can
announce it to the world through the Internet.
You wrote, "How
can I, a Arab born Muslim, be contemplating this horrendous act, while
people in droves are converting to Islam without even learning to speak
Arabic?"
First of all let me
clarify that the information that "people in droves are converting
to Islam" is a total lie fabricated to deceive us. Recently the
CAIR announced that since the mass murders committed on
9/11 the number of the people converted to Islam is tripled. Use
a little bit of rational thinking and see how ridiculous is this claim.
Would really anyone say "Oh look Muslims have killed so many
people, it is clear that Islam is a religion of peace. Let me
join"? But in Islam
lies are permitted especially if they are for the expansion of the
religion of Allah.
The truth is that
people are not converting to Islam in droves but the Muslim
intellectuals are leaving Islam in huge numbers. I urge you to read the
book of Quran and see for yourself how much nonsense is written there.
How can anyone remain a Muslim after reading the Quran? I was a believer
prior to reading the Quran. After I read it I had no choice but to leave
Islam.
Another myth that
Muslims are made to believe is that during the Middle ages
"ISLAM" was the cause of much scientific advance in the East.
Nothing is further from the truth. The glory of the Islamic countries
during the Middle Ages was despite and not because of Islam. In those
days there was the separation of mosque from the state and the rulers
were moderate secularists. That is why science flourished. Most of those
great "Islamic" luminaries were not believers at all. Please
see this article.
You mentioned about
your state of mind and how confused you are. I suggest you read this
article. Here I
have described my own passage from belief to enlightenment. You may find
yourself in the way.
Dear Ali Sina,
Thank you for writing back.
I can not claim to have
become an apostate yet. All I have is more and more questions. I started
talking to my wife about my insecurities, and she responded by feeling
appalled by my lack of certainty. She screamed "We were proud to be
different than the rest of the family, to faithfully stick to our
religion when those relatives around us have become
'americanizeird' and now
you're telling me you stopped praying?"...etc Needless to say I
felt her attack was childish and 'expected'. The whole episode occurred
when she explained she'd like our 7 yr old daughter to get into
extra-curricular activities, which would, unlike her cousins, exclude
swimming (for religious reasons of course). She was shocked when I told
her I do not mind my daughter swimming in a public place...and that I do
not mind if she herself (the person with a hijab) went swimming. I
concluded by explaining that I also stopped praying, and that she should
not nag me into prayer anymore. Needless to say, I'm now getting the
cold shoulder treatment.
I do however, have 3
questions for you:
1) Muhammad was known as al
amin before the time of the Koran, and that he was well respected and he
never lied (as we're told). How can you explain his departure from that
after Koran? How and why did he change so drastically, and do you have
any research or proof that he was not 'Al Amin', and that he always the
narcissistic you describe him to be? How could he be so well respected
then? and who am I to think otherwise? Are 1/3
billion Muslim wrong, and I'm
right?
2) What do you think of the 'Rashad
Khalifa' movement here in the US (Tucson, AZ).?
3) Is there such a thing as
modern Islam? Can Islam afford multiple interpretations that can also be
humanistic? Do I have to renounce all of it? How can I do so when it is
full of passages that can be interpreted as humanistic? Like
Love thy neighbor,
A true Muslim can not sleep with a
full stomach while his neighbor is hungry?...etc?
How about passages that encourage
charity?
(a hadith says): The prophet had a
Jewish neighbor who used to dump garbage on his doorstep every day. The
prophet one day decided to visit this neighbor when he noticed his
doorstep clean for several days in a row.
During this visit. the
neighbor's son converted to Islam once the prophet explained the reason
for the visit as his father laid sick in bed.
Doesn't that draw a beautiful
picture about Islam? How can I say no to that?
How can reconcile between
what you're saying and what this Hadith says?
I mean this is what
encourages people to actually join and not renounce Islam, right?
Dear Jp1r.
The reaction of your
wife as you said is typical of most devout Muslims. The more you argue
with her the more she will close up and the result could be estrangement
and alienation. This is not desirable. Your wife needs to discover the
truth on her own. You may tactfully ask her to read few of the articles
for example those related to Muhammad’s wives in my site and answer
them. I promise to publish her response. But many people won’t be able
to find any satisfactory answers and instead start to think which is the
beginning of their enlightenment.
As for your 7 year
old daughter, you must understand that her mother has as much right to
bring her up with her own values as you have. But since your values are
now different it is much advisable that you let her have her way for now
and support her in they way she wishes to educate your daughter. Peace
and harmony in the family is worth more than swimming for your daughter.
Your daughter is growing up in the West and she is exposed to western
values anyway. Eventually she will choose her own life and that must be
respected too. Of course there is nothing you can do about it. In the
West children do not belong to their parents and do as they wish as soon
as they reach the age of adolescence.
As for hijab, I
believe you should respect your wife’s decision. It is good that you
have told her that you don’t mind if she decides to take off the hijab.
Now it is up to her and whatever she decides you should support her.
Unity of family is of utmost importance. Beliefs change and your wife
may also change in future but your relationship with her is for life.
Your beliefs or your wife’s may not be sacred but your marriage is.
You can make your wife listen to you ONLY if you support her and do not
criticize her for her choices and beliefs.
Now I’ll try to
answer your questions.
1- The claim that
Muhammad was amin (honest) is made by himself. To be certain of the
truth of this claim we should read what his opponents said. But as we
know Muhammad massacred all his opponents and banished them. The rest
were conquered and forced into submission. No one dared to say a word
against him or he would have been killed. Thousands of people after the
death of Muhammad tried to get rid of Islam but they were all massacred
(Al Khawarej) so we do not have any independent source to the claim that
Muhammad was indeed honest. What we know and that too from Quran is that
people called him lunatic (Al Majnoon). We know that he was derided and
ridiculed by the people of Mekka and even Medina until he became
powerful and silenced his critics by assassination and terror. So any
time you read Muhammad was amin, take that with a grain of salt. He may
not have been a thief. (that is before he became a professional highway
robber) but that does not mean that he was honest in his words. Also you
should know that schizophrenic people actually see ghosts and other
shadowing creatures that to them are real. So when Muhammad claimed that
he saw Jinns or angle Gabriel he probably was not lying, or at lease
some of those times he actually saw these creatures that haunted his
sick mind.
You wrote “who am I
to think otherwise? Are 1/3 billion Muslim wrong, and I'm right?”
First to all the
truth cannot be determined by the number of its adherents. Only a few
centuries ago all the humanity believed that the Earth is flat. Did this
universal consensus made any difference in the shape of the Earth? If 1
billion people are told a lie and all of them believe in that lie it
does not become truth. Today people think, read and investigate and do
not base their faith on the convictions of others. When you study the
Quran and compare it with science you find that book is full of errors.
When you read the history of Muhammad you find this man was anything but
holy. You and I live in the age of information. There is no need for us
to perpetuate a lie and believe in someone who was a liar just because
others do and because our fathers were forced to believe. My ancestors
did not choose to become Muslims. They were forced under the sword. Your
ancestors did not fare better. None of our forefathers had the chance to
question the tenets of Islam. But now you and I have this chance for the
first time in 1400 years. I am not satisfied to follow blindly one
billion people. I want to make sure the religion that I believe is true.
I read the Quran and found it to be a hoax. I do not expect you to
believe me or accept my conclusions. I ask you to read the Quran on your
own. Then you will see what I saw and you too will come to the same
conclusion that I came.
2- Rashad Khalifa was
a self-centered ambitious man. He forged what a friend of mine called
“a not lie deception” and when his fame augmented he decided to
claim himself a messenger of God. What he said about the Quran and the
miracles that he attributed to that book is a trick. Please read this
refutation of him by Hikmat a young Indian ex-Muslim woman.
3- No I do not think
Islam can be reformed, modernized or humanized. There are many
interpretations of Quran but all of them are wrong. Quran is a
straightforward book. It is a book that Taliban have understood best and
apply it. It is up to you to renounce it or not but I find nothing of
value in that book. Once it becomes clear that Quran is not a book of
revelation but emanation of a sick mind I see no reason to dig into it
to find something good in it. One can find something good in any book
even in the words of Hitler and Khomeini.
“Love thy neighbor”
is not from Quran. It is from the words of Jesus. “A true Muslim
cannot sleep with full stomach when his neighbor is hungry” is not in
Quran. These are the good things that good Muslims have told each other.
Muhammad never cared about the poor. He destroyed the lives of many
innocent people. Looted their cities and after massacring many of them
he banished the sick and old from town empty handed. Many of them died
in the way. Muhammad was an evil man. There is nothing good about him.
Let us read the history of Muhammad and learn the truth.
I have not seen that
hadith that say a Jewish person used to dump garbage at Muhammad though
I heard this story from childhood. But it cannot be true. Muhammad was
never living in the Jewish neighborhoods. Jews in Medina had their
quarters. Muhammad was such a vengeful man that he ordered the assassination
of Abu Afak, a 120 year old man who was a Jew and whose crime was to
compose a lyric ridiculing Muhammad and his claim. Muhammad asked one of
his followers to get him rid of this man. Asma bint Marwan who was a
poetess became so angry that wrote a poetry cursing the men of Medina
for letting a Meccan kill an old man and do nothing. Muhammad asked one
of his followers who volunteered to kill her. He entered in Asma’s
home and pierced her chest with his sword while she was asleep with her
five children beside her, the smallest was a nursing baby. How can such
a man who could not bear someone criticizing him in poetry forgive
someone throwing garbage at him? These stories of grandeur of Muhammad
along with those attributing miracles to him are all forgeries concocted
by over zealot believers. Even today the followers of diverse cults make
stories such as these and attribute them to their gurus. (Read the story
of the new prophet John the Ruiter here)
My last request for now is
for testimonials from Arabs, and especially women. I feel that would put
my thought more in perspective. By the way, I'm Lebanese, and left the
country to become American when I was 21.
I need to know what you think
about this
question and answer?
It is fascinating, but is it
true? Can you critique the answer to the first question?
Your thoughts are well
appreciated, especially if printed in public on your web sites. Rational
thinking should not fear questioning (as apposed to religions it
vilifies) right?
Thanks again
As for
testimonies I post them as I receive them here. I hope in future more
people start sending theirs as for many, testimonies are very important.
(I personally never care about testimonies. I rather see the facts on my
own than follow someone else)
As for the claim of Rabbi
Marc Gellman & Msgr. Thomas Hartman that “Islam
is not a good religion but a great religion” I would like to ask you
why they do not convert to Islam if Islam is such a great religion as
they say? Doesn’t it seem odd to you that a Rabbi and a Christian
priest speak from a common tribune? To understand where these people
come from you have to understand the mindset of today’s Westerners.
The westerners want to see good in everything. They "not see evil,
not say evil and not hear evil" is vogue. They dislike criticizing
other people’s beliefs. They are humanists (not religious). They want
to be tolerant and accepting of others. This is of course good but you
cannot be tolerant and accepting of something that is inherently evil.
Islam and Nazism are evil in nature. They should not be tolerated. These
people do not understand Islam. When they praise the “Golden Age of
Islam” and attribute it to Islam it is clear that they have no clue
about Islam. The truth is that the Golden Age happened because Islam was
not an issue for the statesmen of those days and men such as Zakaria
Razi, Bu Ali Sina, Ibn Rushd and Khayyam could openly criticize Islam
and not fear death. (Please read the article on freethinkers of Islam).
These two modern-day
religious leaders are so ignorant about Islam that they think Islam is
1600 years old. I bet they have not read a page from Quran. They said in
Islam there is no inquisition. What a joke! Muslims practice religious
persecution even in this day of religious freedom. Apostates are
condemned to death without any chance to appeal. Hindus are
massacred in Bangladesh, Qadianis in Pakistan, Bahai's in Iran,
Christians in Nigeria, Philippines and East Timor. Why don’t you
write to them and ask them to come and show me the truth that they found
about Islam?
Why people who know nothing even speak? They answer questions about
Islam but have zero knowledge of the subject.
It is amazing that
Muslims do not bother to read the Quran on their own and instead rely on
the opinions of misinformed people such as these two guys, Cat Stevens
the singer, Muhammad Ali the boxer and George Bush, Tony Blair or Gandhi
who are/were politicians. Politicians HAVE to say good things about
other people’s beliefs. It would be a political suicide if they
spoke the truth and said other things.
Thank you for your
questions and take care
Ali Sina
P.S. In continuation
I request please post your next message in our new forum so others can
answer it. I am very busy and would like to dedicate more time to
other projects.
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