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M.F. Rahman vs. Ali Sina
Sina's Response
Page 6
2005/03/10
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Mr. Rahman,
The point of our contention is not theism vs.
atheism. I am not a materialist atheist and have no problem with the
notion of God as believed by some theist religions. The question I am
asking you and you are avoiding is that irrespective of what your
definition of God may be, prove that Muhammad was the messenger of that
god. Based on my findings, Muhammad could not have been a messenger of any
god unless his god is Satan.
You say history extols Muhammad. Which history? I am
basing my knowledge of Islam on the history written by the early Muslim
historians such as Ibn Ishaq, Tabari and al Waqidi and also what we know
of Muhammad through various hadiths. The image of Muhammad emerging from
these sources is anything but deserving of praise. Muhammad, as described
by these early Muslim historians, appears to be a ruthless tyrant and
hardly anyone who could be a prophet of God. Tell me what history extols
Muhammad? These three books, plus the hadith are the only sources that
shed light on Muhammad and his character. Anything else written by anyone
else, centuries later, that may differ from these original books is
obviously forged and is of no credibility. Muslims love to quote Gandhi
who spoke glowingly of Muhammad. Was Gandhi a scholar of Islam? Where did
he get his information about Islam? Gandhi was a great man but he had his
flaws. He was an appeaser of Muslims and whatever he said about Islam is
of little value. George W.
Bush also said Islam is a religion of peace. Is he an authority on Islam?
What does he know? The opinions of misinformed people, no matter how
famous they may be, should not be taken as evidence when we have the real
sources to rely on. This is called
argumentum ad verecundiam fallacy.
You call my writings “misinformation”. I
repeatedly asked you to come forth and correct whatever is misinformation.
Why you want to withdraw? Isn’t it because you know perfectly that what
I say is true? I say Quran is false and I stand by my word and prove it.
You say what I say is misinformation. Why don’t you stand by your word
and prove it? It is very easy to shatter misinformation with correct
information. After all misinformation is based on lies and information is
based on facts. Where are your facts? If I lie, what is the truth? Why
instead of using argumentum ad baculum and trying to intimidate me
with the torments that your booger god has in store for me, don’t you
point out to my lies and tell the truth?
No Sir! Your duty has not been discharged. Unless you
think your duty is to frighten people with your bogeyman god, you have
said nothing to defend Islam. You failed to refute my charges. You failed
to provide any proof that Muhammad was a messenger of God. You expect
people to believe in your lies just because you tell them if they don’t,
they will be burned in hell. You can frighten a child into compliance with
that kind of threat but you can't make a rational person believe in
stupidities just because you tell him, believe or else. In all your
letters, you said nothing except warn me of the consequences of my
disbelief. Tell me why should I believe in Islam and not in other Dooms Day
cults
that equally base their faith on scare
mongering?
Scare mongering is the preferred tool of child molesters and
psychopaths. They often make their victims comply by instilling in them
fear. “If you tell anyone what I did to you" they say to their vulnerable victims.
"you will never see your
mom and dad”. This kind of threat often
works. Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped from her home and spent more than a
year with her kidnappers, often cooperating with them. Even though she had
the opportunity to walk to police and ask for help, she did not, because
her kidnappers had instilled in her such a fear that had paralyzed this 15
year old smart girl. Psychopaths use fear to control people. Fear
is more powerful than rational thinking. How can you not see this Mr.
Scholar? Scholar of what?
My task to destroy Islam will succeed - not
through slander. There is no need for slander when truth is so lethal. I
am succeeding already and the world is seeing the truth. What? Do you
think all the Muslims are stupid and love to fool themselves at any cost?
No Sir! the majority of them care about the truth. Islam succeeded so far
because spiritually blind people managed to strangulate the truth by
killing its expounders. The Internet has changed the rules of the game.
Today we can tell the truth for the first time and as it becomes
exceedingly manifest, Muslims are speechless. The truth is that you have
no answer to my arguments. The truth is that you can’t refute anyone of
my charges against Muhammad. The truth is that all you can do to keep
Islam alive is scare people with lies about a sadistic god that will
torture humans for eternity. Only fools will believe in those blatant lies.
Let the fools remain Muslims. I intend to help intelligent people out of
Islam not the fools. This Allah that you describe is a psychopath. How can
any real God do such things to humans, for “sins” like thinking and
questioning the absurdities of a book? As Galileo said, if God did not
want us to think, he would not have given us brain. Now that he gave us brain, how can he punish us for using it?
No Mr. Rahman; you are mistaken. Paradise is not for foolish people.
You don’t get rewarded for being stupid. You are
deluding yourself. If there is a paradise, people will be judged by their
deeds and not by what they believe. Your beliefs are irrelevant. What
counts is your actions. You will be asked: Have you loved your fellow
humans? Have you helped someone in his dire moments? Did you promote peace
and unity among Mankind? Did you fight against hatred and ignorance? Did
you instigate hate and disunity? Did you foment sedition? Did you support
religious apartheid, advocated misogyny, violated the human rights of
others, promoted terrorism, killed another human being in the name of your
faith? If there is a Day of Judgment, these are the questions that
you would be asked and not what you believe and who you worship. If there
is a God, He is above the need of being worshiped by a bunch of hairless apes.
You can bet He has other worlds and other concerns. You and I do not
even enter in His grand scheme and less our beliefs. It is not God who
needed to be obeyed and worshiped. It was Muhammad who needed it. He used
Allah as a pretext. He kept asking his foolish followers to obey
"Allah and his messenger". Since Allah did not give a
hoot about obedience, and was indeed an absentee suzerain, all that
obedience was due to Muhammad. He became the de facto God, ruling in His lieu
and commanding with His authority. Religion became a perfect tool of
domination for a narcissist man who craved for attention, respect and
domination. Only a fool can miss this.
In your previous email you wrote: “The
sins of Muhammad are perceived by his detractors to be many. But
detractors can only see evil.”
Isn’t it true that even criminals have a good side?
We are talking about someone who claimed to be a prophet of God and the
perfect example to follow. Such a man should not have any sins. Even one
sin would disqualify him as a perfect example. Yet Muhammad was the
embodiment of every sin. Possibility, he was the worst human who ever
lived. Hitler, for example, cannot be accused of sexual perversion.
Muhammad was just as ruthless as Hitler and he was also a lecher and a
pedophile to boot. Tell us about the virtues of Muhammad. Can you? Or all
you can do, is fool the uninformed?
I imagine that you know that with me you can't play your favorite
game of deception. Isn't this the reason you are calling the quit already?
You wrote: “Muhammad waged
war at the Command of God.”
How do you know it was the command of God? Did God
command Muhammad to raid civilians, kill innocent unarmed people, massacre
prisoners, [Bukhari
4,52,280] rape their wives, loot their properties and take them
as slaves? What kind of God would give such commands to his prophet?
If God wanted to kill people, he had all sorts of means at his
disposal, why he needed the believers to act as his henchmen? Can't you
see the ploy, the manipulation and the mind control? Isn't it obvious that
Muhammad used the foolish people who believed in him for his own
gain? What he did was satanic. This can only prove that the God of
Muhammad was Satan. "Ye shall know them by their fruits". Rape,
genocide, looting
and raiding unarmed people are not good fruits. They are not divine
actions. Whoever gave those orders to Muhammad could not have been the
loving creator of this universe. Muslims can't be people of God. They are
devil worshippers. Muhammad was demon possessed. Whatever he did was
demonic.
You wrote: “Muhammad married
a child bride in accordance with his cultural practice then fully the
norm.”
Apart from the fact that this was never a norm
anywhere and sleeping with children is simply disgusting to sane men, did Muhammad
come to follow the bad cultural practices of the people that he allegedly
came to guide or he came to change them? Don’t you see the circular
reasoning? Muhammad followed a bad cultural practice of a primitive people
and now the whole Islamic world is emulating him and doing exactly what he
did because he said; follow my examples.
You silence your (inexistent) conscience by justifying the shameful crime
of Muhammad with moral relativism claiming those were the cultural practices of those days.
How do you justify that those evil practices are now established as the
norm in all Islamic countries? The man who came to change the world for
better, followed the evil cultural practices of the people whom he
called ignorant and as the result their evil practices became universal.
Isn't this ironic that Muhammad instead of guiding became the source of
misguidance? How could God let this happen?
Then you said: “Those who
cannot avail of this now spew their venom against him in impotent jealousy
out of frustrated desire.”
You are truly a sick man Mr. Rahman. How in the hell
you think any sane person could have sexual feelings for children and feel
"jealousy out of frustrated desire" for this shameful conduct?
When I asked this question from Grand Ayatollah
Montazeri, he had the decency to acknowledge that it is not natural
for grownup men to have sexual feelings for children. He is a Mullah but
he commands my respect. He is a good human being and I always loved and
admired him. You think men are jealous of Muhammad for deflowering a child?
You are truly a Muslim. I can't find a worse insult than calling you a
Muslim. Are you telling us that at your advanced age you don't mind taking
a child to bed? How disgusting!
..."jealousy of frustrated desire" for having sex with a
child? How sickening! How repulsively revolting! Truly Islam is the
religion of Satan. It is time that the pretend Muslims wake up and see
what Islam is. Leave Islam before losing your humanity and start talking
like Mr. M.F. Rahman. As the
Imam of Aisha said, Leave Islam before it is too late. Run,
Run.
Then you wrote: “But he
received the sanction of God for his actions, and forgiveness
for all his sins.”
Who told you that? Did you speak to God? This is what
Muhammad said. How do you know he did not lie? How can God forgive an evil
man like Muhammad? You are fooling yourself my benighted friend. If there
is a hell, Muhammad is in the lowest pit of it, where he beseeches Hitler
to intercede on his behalf.
Alas, you are too Muslim to understand.
You wrote: “He married the
divorced wife of his formerly adopted son with the assent of God."
How do you know it was with the assent of God? What
if you have been fooled and God never spoke to Muhammad?
You wrote: “He slew men, took
prisoners, established religion by force.”
At least you are not among those Muslim apologists
who lie and claim Muhammad's wars were all in self defense. But what if he
was not a messenger of God and used ignorant people to slay their kind,
take them as prisoners and slaves for his own end? What proof you have
that he was not another psychopath cult leader like David Koresh or Jim
Jones?
You wrote: “Now his religion
is established as The Religion of Peace, sobriety, rectitude, truth,
paradise, polygamy, faith, prayer, charity, fasting and pilgrimage. The
fruits of his faith are hateful to his enemies.”
Really? Is Islam a religion of peace, rectitude and
truth? How can a religion of war invented by a psychopath liar, a
marauding gangster, a war monger, a slave maker and trader evolve into a
religion of peace, rectitude and truth? Does the Muslim world show any
sign of peace? Aren't the Muslim countries
the most barbaric, miserable and wretched countries of the world? Aren't
the Muslims involved in 95% of the wars across the world? How much
you want to fool yourself?
How pathetic that you even consider a social ill such as polygamy, a
virtue. You have lost every notion of right and wrong.
You called the detractors of Islam “coward”. Yet
when I ask you to present your evidence, you hide your tail in between
your legs and walk away. Who is coward? Muslims are only brave when it
comes to cowardly acts of terrorism. They are only brave in bombing,
beheading people in captivity and massacring school children. Why you
Muslims are not brave in the battle of intellects?
Then after shamelessly berating your opponents and saying: “These
are hollow men of false faith following man-made doctrines and jumping up
like monkeys on non-issues, baying like jackals and braying all at the
same time.”
You went on to make the most outlandish and ludicrous claim and said:
”Jesus Loves Muhammad. David Loved Muhammad.
Solomon Loved Muhammad. Moses Loved Muhammad. And most of all, God Loves
Muhammad.”
What the hell are you talking about? Muhammad was not
even born when these guys lived. Have they prophesized about Muhammad? Can
you quote any prophecy about Muhammad from any of these people? There is
none and when Muhammad was told that there is no prophecy about him in the
Bible, he said the Jews and the Christians have tampered with their holy books.
His followers were so stupid that they did not think such thing, centuries
after those books were written and distributed wide and far, is technically
impossible. They swallowed the bait with hook, line and sinker. They
swallowed everything Muhammad told them. They silenced the voices of
dissent and then foolishly got inspired from each other and extolled the
invisible cloak of the emperor.
Indeed Islam is the religion of the brain damaged
people.
Anyone willing to continue this debate? Is there
any Muslim out there that can prove Muhammad was a prophet of God without
resorting to ad hominem, ad baculum and other logical fallacies?
Mr. Rahman used to sent his emails to the following
list of Islamic sites. I did the same. I bet all these Yahoogroups
published his emails but not mine.
At the end I invited them to join this discussion.
Don't leave your brother alone. Please help him out and see whether
jointly you can make this lie more believable.
[email protected],
[email protected],
"Al-Muhajiroun" <[email protected]>,
[email protected],
[email protected]
<[email protected]>,
"Islam Awakened Group" <[email protected]>,
"Islam is Peace" <[email protected]>,
[email protected],
"Islamic net" <[email protected]>,
[email protected],
[email protected],
"Tai." <[email protected]>
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