Discussion with Mr. Faisal Siddiqui and other Muslims:  

Larry, one of the readers of FFI collected about three dozens of emails of Muslims who had written to me angry notes from Muslims' Comments page and regularly sent them pieces of the articles trying to engage them in conversation. He included me also in that mailing list. Naturally the first reaction was nothing but insult. Eventually we made them realize that insult is not a logical argument and some of them implored others to refrain from insults. We had a lot of quite interesting email exchanges. I will try to collect them and post them here. This is the latest part of those exchanges;

From Ali Sina  

To diehard Muslims , 

This is the story of an American girl who converted to Islam and her crude awakening. I thought you might be interested to read or perhaps you may want to write to her and tell her she is mistaken and invite her back to Islam.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Testimonials/Andrea50716.htm

She has a blog. So feel free to write to her warning her about the hell. You never know, you may be able to scare her back to Islam. If it does not work, you can threatened to slay her the way Muslims are threatening me in this forum:

http://forum.bismikaallahuma.org/viewtopic.php?t=5783

http://forum.bismikaallahuma.org/viewtopic.php?t=610

After all Islam is the religion of peace.
Okay, there are actually lots of bloodshed and murder in Islam as Mr. Faisal pointed out but it is all justifiable he claims. Of course only a person whose brain is warped by the teachings of a psychopath can see the justification. Others can't.
Write to her. If you can convince her to come back, I will publish her story of reverting to Islam.
“Only truth will set us free”.
Let everyone in your address book know about faithfreedom.org

   

Ashley Mohamed <[email protected]> wrote:
i think u should just leave it to god, ali sina.

god will help her if she deep down believesin him, if she doesn't she'll get what she deserves.  

 Ali Sina wrote:

So do you really believe God is so unjust and sadistic with women?
What it would take you people to realize that Muhammad lied?
If the fact that he robbed innocent people, raped women, at the age of 54 put his male organ in between the legs of a small child, tortured his victims to make them reveal where they had hidden their treasures and then slept with their wives in the same night (see the story of Safiyah), said that women should lick the puss of their husbands if they want to be grateful to them, that their husband can beat them, that they should be obedient to them as if they were dogs to their masters, that the majority of women will go to hell because they are disobedient to their husbands, that they are deficient in intelligence, etc, etc, does not make you realize that he was not a prophet, what will?

Are any of the above charges false? If yes, why don’t you prove them wrong and win your $50,000 dollar prize that I have offered to anyone who can prove me wrong?

No, they are not false. No one has been able to prove them wrong. So do you people really believe the maker of this universe would choose a monster like Muhammad to guide mankind? Isn’t that insanity?

What Muhammad did was satanic. You people are Satan worshippers. If Islam was true how come an ordinary person like me can defeat it? How come the entire Muslim world is tongue tide and is unable to respond to these charges?

Can really the maker of this magnificent universe be so helpless to be defeated by a mortal like me? Isn’t this enough proof that Allah is not God and Muhammad was not a prophet but a psychopath liar? A pathological narcissist who lied and believed in his own lies?
Why you people do this to yourselves? Do you really think God prizes stupidity?

Why you women especially do this to yourselves? The paradise of Muhammad is not for women. He has destined 72 celestial whores who are much prettier than you for your husbands and for you? Well, if you have been obedient to your husbands and have licked his puss, you will get the same abusive husband in the next world and won’t be sent to hell like the majority of women. This about it. Your filthy abusive hubby gets to have orgies with 72 whores and you? Nothing! Zilch! Nada! Even that filthy husband won’t have time for you. He would be really busy there. I hope there are dildos in paradise or you’ll get nothing of what your filthy husbands gets. And you call this justice? How foolish!

It is pitiful to see how Islam destroys human’s ability to think. All a Muslim can do is insult or threaten the critics of Islam and when all that fails they threaten him with hell. This is soooo stupid. Fear is the weapon of the psychopath.

Andrea asks very poignant questions. You can’t answer to any of her questions. In fact you agree to be treated like a piece of sh!t by your Muslim husband, beaten and humiliated. All you can say is that she will go to hell when she dies.

Why? For thinking? For using her brain? Do you think God is a psychopath?

What a shame that you can’t think. Only if you could dare to think one minute, just one minute rationally, you would see the stupidity of it all and like Andrea, myself and thousands of others would live Islam. But this charlatan Muhammad has imbued you with such fear that you won’t allow yourselves to doubt his lies not even for one minute.
Now you see why when we leave Islam we hate it so much. It is because we realize the immensity of the lie and the evilness of Muhammad. Jews and Christians also leave their religions but never with the same hatred that we ex-Muslims feel. When you wake up and see how much you were lied to, and how much you have lost for believing in this lie, you want to spit at Muhammad and his satanic book.

I added Andrea to this list so if you want to tell her she is mistaken you could do that. But if you want to do that try to say something intelligent. "You will go to hell" is not the answer. All satanic cults say the same thing. Say something that could make sense and she could see that Islam is true and come back.

Try it. Just sit and try to write something intelligent to convince her to come back. If you can't find any logical reason then this is proof that Islam is false. Don't put yourselves in this hell. You are in hell in this world, you convert the world in hell for others and you go to hell when you die. WHY?

Faisal Siddiqui <[email protected]> wrote:  

My my my...Mr Sina...You have done it again. You have proven what a bigot you are. You say oh I can prove this and I can prove that, when prove is given you move onto the next and different subject. Your logic is blind and one directional...its hate speech. You say I will give the person that proves me wrong 50K...well one proves you wrong you move onto a different subject. For eg you say 'ahh' My Prophet was a sexual animal and he bred on women - based on your facts he must have many kids (I dont think safe sex was the norm in those days) but his lineage was survived by only bibi Fatima . Your reply to that was - he was impotent! and he just fondled these women? So fondling = sex? I didnt know that. I didnt know one can procreat thru fondling? Amazing. My Prophet's love of his life was bibi Khadijah, after her death he found comfort in bibi Ayesha.

The society and times the Prophet lived in were different times. He lived in a society in which it was quite acceptable to have many wives. But the prophet remained devoted to his only wife for twenty-five years. When she died she was sixty-five years old. His later marriages were for various reasons. Some marriages were with the view to help the women whose husbands had been killed while they were defending their faith. Others were with a view to cement relationships with devoted followers like Abu Bakr, may Allah be pleased with him. Yet others were to build bridges with various tribes who were otherwise at war with the Muslims. When the prophet became their relative through marriage, their hostilities calmed down, and much bloodshed was averted.

A person who is 57 doesnt exactly have a very strong sexual drive? - Viagara wasnt exactly discovered by him neither was KamaSutra written by him. So therefore you can bash my Prophet all you want to but the reality is you are simply blind and bend on proving yourself correct that you do not see the logic.  

Following is the story of Safiyah~!~

Safiyah Bint Huyeiy Ibn Akhtab was one of the wives of Prophet Mohamed (PBUH). She was the daughter of Huyeiy Ibn Akhtab, the chief of the Banu Nadir tribe, who were all expelled from Madinah in 4 AH after plotting to kill the Messenger of Allah (PBUH). She was known for her extreme beauty. She did not only love Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) deeply, but also greatly respected him as Allah's Messenger. She was intelligent, learned and gentle. In fact, gentleness and patience were her dominant qualities. She had many good moral qualities.

She was married to Kinana ibn al-Rabi'a just before the Muslims attacked Khaibar. She was then seventeen. She had formerly been the wife of Sallam ibn Mishkam, who divorced her.

She married Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) in 7 AH, when the Prophet was sixty years old and she was seventeen years old. As in the case of juwayriyya bint Harith, this marriage occurred after one of the Muslims' decisive battles, in this case, the battle was Khaybar.

After the battle of Khaybar in which the Muslims defeated the Jews, two women were brought before Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) by Bilal. They had passed by those who had been killed in the battle. One of the two women was shrieking and screaming, and rubbing dust in her hair, while the other was mute with shock.

The who was mute with shock was Safiyah, the other one was her cousin. Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) asked someone to look after the woman who was screaming and then took off his cloak and placed it over the shoulders of Safiyah, whose husband had been killed in the battle.

It was a gesture of pity, but from that moment she was to be honored and given great respect in the Muslim community.

After doing this Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) turned to Bilal and said:

"Bilal, has Allah plucked mercy from your heart that you let these two women pass by those of their men folk who have been killed?"

This was considered a severe reprimand, for the Messenger of Allah (PBUH), who rarely criticized the behaviour of those who served him.

Like Um Habiba, Safiyah was the daughter of a great chief. The only person who could save her from becoming a slave after having enjoyed such a high position was Prophet Mohamed (PBUH).

Even thought her father had previously planned to assassinate Mohamed after the battle of Uhud, and had conspired with the Banu Qurayza to exterminate all the Muslims during the battle of al-Khandaq, it was characteristic of Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) that he did not bear any grudges for those who did wrong. He felt pity rather than anger, and for those who had done no wrong, he had even greater compassion.

Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) then invited Safiyah to embrace Islam, which she did, and after having given her her freedom, he married her.

Safiyah had requested the Prophet to wait till he had gone a stage away from Khaibar.

"Why?" asked the Prophet.

"I was afraid for you on account of the Jews who still happened to be near at Khaibar!"

That is the account of the Safiyah? Where do I see rape in this? Where do I see torcher in this? You see everything thru a western/ignorant point of view. I hope you see the light and get enlightened to give up this charactorless charade.

By the way the people you have on this list or mostly 12-17 yr olds? What does a 12 yr old know? How does a 12 yr old reply to your mis-representation of facts?

Allah knows best...

Regards

Faisal

Ali Sina wrote:

Mr. Faisal,

What proof you have given to me? I received no proof whatsoever. The only argument you presented is that when I die I go to hell. Well, sorry I do not consider this as proof. God can’t be so stupid to leave mankind with no proof and then punish them when it is too late. This argument has been used by virtually all cults. When cults don’t have any logical proof they try to win by inducing fear.  

Does your argument about Muhammad’s lustfulness seem logical to you? The man was pervert and at the advanced age he was also impotent. I have collected enough evidence that shows he was suffering from acromegaly, a degenerative disease characterized by 

enlargement of bones of hands and feet and face; often accompanied by headache and muscle pain and emotional disturbances; caused by overproduction of growth hormone by the anterior pituitary gland (due to a tumor). This and the effect of his poisoning in Kheibar were the causes of his death. This disease makes a man impotent. Impotent men still lust and get sexual, but since they can’t enjoy normal sex they get sexual pleasure in pervert ways, like watching pornography. Going to all his wives in one night and fondling with their genitals was Muhammad’s way of getting sexual pleasure. That is why he was never satisfied and always wanted more women. Those who have a loving partner with a fulfilling sex life are content with one, and don't need to accumulate a collection of wives and concubines.    

“The society and times the Prophet lived in were different times. He lived in a society in which it was quite acceptable to have many wives.”  

This is what I call warped reasoning. Did Muhammad come to teach people the right way of living or follow their wrong way? So on one hand he said I am the perfect example, do as I do and on the other he did what the people of his time did, the very people whom he called ignorant. By doing so, he put the seal of approval on those vices and they became the pattern by which Muslims should live for eternity. Because this man followed the evil tradition of the ignorant people of his time, now Muslims are allowed to marry 9 year old children, beat their wives, rape women captured in war, spread Islam through terrorism and do whatever evil things he did.  

I fail to see the logic of it. Is having sex with a 9 year old child okay or is it bad? If it is a bad custom of the people of those times (which actually is not true; this is something Muhammad started because he was a pedophile), why he did it and why should Muslims follow his example even now?   If what he did was wrong, and he was just foolishly following the tradition of the ignorant people of his time, at least he should have said, don’t do what I am doing. This is wrong. why he said emulate me because I am the perfect example? by saying these were the practices of those time, are you implying that they are wrong now. If so doesn't this mean emulating Muhammad is wrong today?

Muhammad raided villagers with no warning, robbed them, killed unarmed people and took their wives and children as slaves and raped their wives. Is this a good thing or not? Your response is this was the custom in those days. Damn it! Was he a prophet of God or not? Did he come to teach people good things or learn their evil acts? Why Jesus did not do any of these things? Why he lived a saintly life and why his teachings are all good? Why he did not follow the vices of his people? Why Buddha did not imitate the evil practices of the people of his time? Your logic makes no sense to me. It is like someone claiming to be a physician telling everyone you are wrong and ignorant, your shamans and medicine men are charlatan and this is not how you cure patients and then he starts practicing in the way that the shamans do. Would you accept such a charlatan as a physician? What Muhammad brought that was new?  The only think new that he brought and did not exist is religious intolerance and Jihad. Everything else existed prior to him. The belief in Allah existed, hajj existed, fasting existed, salat existed, zakat existed, all the rituals and superstitions about jinn, angels and Satan existed. Muhammad only changed somewhat these superstitions and rituals but brought new but intolerance and religious hate.

“But the prophet remained devoted to his only wife for twenty-five years.”  

Here you forget that Muhammad was a poor man when he married to Khadijah and she was a wealthy and powerful woman. As long as she was alive, he did not dare marrying another woman. Also you forget that Muhammad prior to coming to Medina was seen by most people, except the seventy odd members of his own cult, as a lunatic crazy man. No one wanted to marry such a mad man. Among his seventy or so followers there was no one unmarried suitable for him. There were only a handful of women who were already married. The fact that Muhammad remained “loyal” to Khadijah was not because he wanted to be loyal. He simply did not have any opportunity to find another woman. As soon as he came to power, he went wild and accumulated about twenty young and beautiful women. He married them for their beauty as the hadithes make clear. It was lust not charity.

“Some marriages were with the view to help the women whose husbands had been killed”  

This is a lie. Safiyyah, Rayhannah, Juwairiyyah were married women. Muhammad raided their towns killed their young husbands and then chose them because they were the prettiest girls. All the text attest that the reason for choosing these women was their beauty and nothing else. If they were widow, it was because Muhammad killed their husbands. Zeinab bin Jahsh was already married to Zeid, Muhammad’s adopted son. He saw her semi nude and was overcome by so much lust and made his imaginary Allah reveal verses saying, it is okay, go ahead, marry the wife of your adopted son. Who gives a damn to the institution of adoption? From now on no child should be adopted. As for Mariyyah, she was the maid of Hafsah, Muhammad sent Hafsa telling her Umar, your father, wants to see you and when she went out, he had sex with her. Hasa went to Umar who denied having send for her. She returned home immediately and found her illustrious husband having sex with her maid in her own bed. She was distraught, feeling betrayed and cheated and ganging up with Aisha and other wives caused a lot of scandal that Muhammad later settled by making his bogus Allah, reveal more verses saying no one should criticize his beloved prophet. That the maid of his wife is halal to him. You people are not in the habit of reading. You like to hide your heads in the sand lest you see the light. But if anyone wants to see this amazing story of lust and treachery read this:  http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/mariyah.htm

“Others were with a view to cement relationships with devoted followers like Abu Bakr”  

What a load of nonsense! Yes I can hear Muhammad saying “hey Abu Bakr, let me have sex with your six year old daughter so we become good friends”. How disgusting! No Mr. Faisal. You are wrong again. Read my discussion with Ayatollah Montazeri on this subject. He made the exact same excuses that you made and you can see how I responded to him: 

“Yet others were to build bridges with various tribes who were otherwise at war with the Muslims.”  

What tribes? Can you name them? Muhammad massacred them all or banished them. The tribe of Juwairiyyah was Banu Mustaliq, the tribe of Safiyah was Banu Nadir, the tribe of Rayhannah was Banu Quraiza. Muhammad exiled and massacred them all. They became extinct. These were the only women from other tribes. Muhammad’s other wives were all his own followers. So what are you talking about? How much lie is enough?

“A person who is 57 doesnt exactly have a very strong sexual drive?” -

A person who is 57 can have erection, but Muhammad was suffering from acromegaly. I have found all the symptoms described in hadith in detail that confirm this disease in him and as such he was impotent. 

“After the battle of Khaybar in which the Muslims defeated the Jews, two women were brought before Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) by Bilal. They had passed by those who had been killed in the battle. One of the two women was shrieking and screaming, and rubbing dust in her hair, while the other was mute with shock.

The who was mute with shock was Safiyah, the other one was her cousin. Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) asked someone to look after the woman who was screaming and then took off his cloak and placed it over the shoulders of Safiyah, whose husband had been killed in the battle.

It was a gesture of pity, but from that moment she was to be honored and given great respect in the Muslim community.

After doing this Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) turned to Bilal and said:

"Bilal, has Allah plucked mercy from your heart that you let these two women pass by those of their men folk who have been killed?"

It amazes me that you quote this without seeing the evil in it. What is missing in this story is that Muhammad raided Kheibar just because they were a wealthy people and Muhammad was a marauding gangster. He gave them no warning. They were out attending their business and were unarmed. What he did was evil. Then he tortured Kinana to tell him where he had hidden his treasures and killed him under torture. His decapitated his body and that of his friend. They were lying on the ground and Bilal brought Safiyah and her cousin to see the corpses. Safiyyah’s cousin became hysterical at the gory scene and Muhammad said take this devil away from me. Then he rebuked Bilal for showing them the corpses of their husbands and he put his mantel on the poor Safiyah who was still under the shock to take possession of her for himself. Now I fail to see what part of this story is divine? If you did not know anything else about Islam only this story should suffice to prove that Muhammad was a monster. You can’t see that. Can you? What if someone does that to your family? What if someone do to you what Muhammad did to Kinana? Would you consider a man who raids your home, tortures you to tell him where you have hidden your money, kills you and then sleeps with your grieving wife in the same night, a prophet of God? Do you really believe the lie that Safiyah loved Muhammad? How many women you know that fall madly in love with the murderer of their father, husband and all their relatives and want to have sex with him in the same night that they see the decapitated body of their husband? Now imagine that this man is 40 years older. How much you have to fool yourself Mr. Faisal and other Muslims? All these lies and deceptions will take you straight to hell, not to paradise.

“Safiyah was the daughter of a great chief. The only person who could save her from becoming a slave after having enjoyed such a high position was Prophet Mohamed (PBUH).”  

Has it ever occurred to you that it was Muhammad who killed the father and husband of this young woman and reduced her to poverty? Now she should be thankful to be the sex slave of the killer of her husband and father too? Your logic is baffling. This is like someone killing you and robbing all your belonging and them tell your daughter or your young wife, if you don’t want to suffer hunger and poverty you can come and sleep with me and I will feed you. Is that something to be proud of?  

“Even thought her father had previously planned to assassinate Mohamed.”  

This is yet another lie. There is no evidence at all that the Bani Nadir wanted to assassinate Muhammad. He concocted a lie that Gabriel told him the Bani Nadir is plotting to kill you so he could fool his stupid followers and give them a justification to fall on this helpless tribe who were their allies and friends for centuries. Where is the proof that the Bani Nadir plotted to kill Muhammad except the words of Muhammad? This man was a pathetic lair and an opportunist. Now suppose they wanted to kill him, is that enough excuse to exterminate them all, children and women included? Did all the town took part in the conspiracy? How one could fail to see the immensity of the evil here? Can’t you see Muhammad was the messenger of Satan? You call him “your prophet”. No he is not your prophet. You choose to believe in him and you can just as well decide not to believe in this evil man. I did and many other Muslims have done and we got free from lies and deception. 

“and had conspired with the Banu Qurayza to exterminate all the Muslims during the battle of al-Khandaq,”  

This is also another lie. The Banu Quraiza did not conspire with the confederates and that is why Abu Sofyan was discouraged and left without attacking Medina. Muhammad used lies and deception to blame his victims and justify his crimes. This is exactly the tactic Muslims use to wage their wars on mankind. Now let us suppose the Banu Qurayza conspired with the Confederates, did this justify the massacre of the entire population and the enslavement of their women and children? How can you people worship a Satan and expect to be rewarded in paradise? Nay, you will all go to hell for what you believe is Devil. This is not a matter of opinion, this is fact that I am proving to you with every email I write and you can’t refute a single word of it.

“it was characteristic of Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) that he did not bear any grudges for those who did wrong”  

That is not true Faisal. `Muhammad was the most unforgiving monster ever lived. Is the massacre of Bani Quraiza the sign of his forgiveness? Nadir ibn Harith was Muhammad’s own cousin. He mocked Muhammad in Mecca . Several years later, he was captured in the battle of Badr and Muhammad ordered him to be decapitated for he could not forgive the humiliation and ridicule he received from him when he was in Mecca . I can bring hundreds of cases that show Muhammad was the most vengeful and unforgiving criminal.  

Another case was chopping the hands and feet of the eight Bedouins who killed Muhammad’s shepherd and stole his camels and then leaving them in that state under the sun to die. Wasn’t raiding, killing people and stealing camels and booty exactly what he used to do? If killing and stealing was so bad why he did it?

“He felt pity rather than anger, and for those who had done no wrong, he had even greater compassion.”  

Show me one example of that. Who do you want to fool Mr. Faisal? You fool no one but yourself and your fellow Muslims. I have evidence to the contrary. Can you bring an evidence to back up your claim? I can show you 100 cases or more that he was a ruthless man and not compassionate at all. He said Allah is compassionate but in practice his words and actions differed  a world.

“Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) then invited Safiyah to embrace Islam, which she did, and after having given her her freedom, he married her.”  

Did she have any choice? Where this young woman could go after her entire tribe was annihilated? Those who had survived had been taken as slaves and her father, husband and relatives were put to death? Tell me where a 17 year old girl could have gone in those days Mr. Faisal, empty handedly, assuming she was given “freedom”? No indeed, she was not given any freedom. She was told if you want your freedom you have to become my sex salve. Is that freedom? The alternative was becoming the sex slave of another Muslims.

“Safiyah had requested the Prophet to wait till he had gone a stage away from Khaibar.

"Why?" asked the Prophet.

"I was afraid for you on account of the Jews who still happened to be near at Khaibar!"  

It amazes me to see how Muslims are incapable to decipher lies. Imagine: This woman had just seen her husband’s mutilated and headless body, her entire city is enslaved and many are slaughtered. How could these dead and enslaved people come to attack Muhammad in his tend? So, you say she refused having sex with Muhammad, not because she saw her beloved young husband (who happened to be also her cousin) lying dead covered in his blood and beheaded, but because she was worried that the dead and enslaved Jews may attack the tent of Muhammad.  Only a total fool and a Muslims can buy this dung Mr. Faisal. This is an insult to human intelligence.

“That is the account of the Safiyah? Where do I see rape in this?”  

You don’t see it? You honestly don’t see it? It is because you have given up thinking Mr. Faisal. I have given the full account and explained everything in detail in this article:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/safiyah.htm Of course you are not going to read it because you are afraid of being forced to open your eyes. Light hurts you.

“Where do I see torcher in this?”  

Here is the tale of torture. You did not quote it:

Kinana, the chief, tortured and put to death

After this defeat, the fortress of Qamuss surrendered, on condition that the inhabitants were free to leave the country, but that they should give up all their property to the conqueror. With the rest, came forth Kinana, chief of the Jews of Kheibar, and his cousin. Muhammad accused them both of keeping back, a portion of their riches, especially the treasures of the Bani Nadhir, which Kinana had obtained as a marriage portion with his wife, the daughter of the chief of that tribe. "Where are the vessels of gold," he asked," which ye' used to lend to the people of Mecca?" They protested that they no longer possessed them. "if ye conceal anything from me," continued Muhammad, "and I should gain knowledge of it, then your lives and the lives of your families shall be at my disposal." They answered that it should be so. A traitorous Jew, having divulged to Muhammad the place in which a part of their wealth was deposited, he sent and fetched it. On the discovery of this attempt at imposition, Kinana was subjected to cruel torture, -- "fire being placed upon his breast till his breath had almost departed," -in the hope that he would confess where the rest of his treasures were concealed. Mahomet then gave command, and the heads of the two chiefs were severed from their bodies. [Muir from Tabari and al Waqidi]  

THE REST OF THE AFFAIR OF KHAYBAR  

Kinana b. al-Rabi’, who had the custody of the treasure of B. al-Nadir, the second Jewish tribe Muhammad exiled from Yathrib. He was brought to the apostle who asked him about it. He denied that he knew where it was.  So the prophet questioned other Jews. A Jew was brought to the apostle and said that he had seen Kinana going round a certain ruin every morning early. When the apostle said to Kinana, ‘Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill you? He said Yes. The apostle gave orders that the ruin was to be excavated and some of the treasure was found. When he asked him about the rest, he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr b. al-‘Awwam, ‘Torture him until you find out what he has.’ So he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest, twirling it with his firestick until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad b. Maslama and he struck off his head, in revenge for his brother Mahmud.  [Sirat Rasoul Allah]