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Edip Yuksel vs. Ali Sina
Round VIII -31
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Ibn
Ishaq gives us the historical context for verse 9:29 and Jizya.
Then He said (v. 28):
“The polytheists are nothing
but unclean, so let them not approach the sacred mosque after this year of
theirs, and if you fear poverty” that
was because the people said “the markets will be cut off from us, trade
will be destroyed, and we shall lose the good things we used to enjoy,”
and God said, “If you fear poverty
God will enrich you from His bounty,¨ i.e.
in some other way, “if He will.
He is knowing, wise. Fight
those who do not believe in God and the last day and forbid not that which
God and His apostle have forbidden and follow not the religion of truth
from among those who have been given the scripture until they pay the poll
tax out of hand being humbled,¨ i.e.
as a compensation for what you fear to lose by the closing of the markets.
God gave them compensation for what He cut off from them in the
former polytheism by what He gave them by way of poll tax from the people
of the scripture”.
So
according to Ibn Ishaq, Jizya is the reparation paid to Muslims for losing
the money they would have made from the pagans coming to trade and buying
in their markets. Your own definition of Jizyah serves to prove my point,
namely that this is reparation Muslims receive
from the subjugated people in place of the financial loss they would have
experienced due to Allah preventing the pagans from coming to
Mecca
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Umar ibn Al-Khatab is reported to
have said: "I advise you to fulfill Allah's Convention
(made with the Dhimmis) as it is the convention of your Prophet and the
source of the livelihood of your dependents (i.e. the taxes from the
Dhimmis.) " Bukhari
4. 53.388:
But
of course you may not know who Umar was since there is no mention of him
in the Quran.
Forget
about Ibn Ishaq and Umar. Let us stick to your own word: "reparation".
Reparation means compensation or remuneration required from a
defeated nation as indemnity for damage or injury during a war. Now in
this case the aggressors were the Muslims who still demanded remuneration
from their defeated victims. Would it
be fair if the non-Muslim countries to charge reparation from their Muslim
subjects? Won't you cry foal and call us fascists? What if they attacked
the Muslim countries and demanded reparation from them after defeating
them? This is what Islam did to its victims and what the Sura Bara'a
instructs Muslims to do.
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First,
I
do not separate the verses of the Quran as Meccan on Medinan verses.
Again, you are confusing me with Sunnis. The Quran does not contain
such a distinction and a believer must follow ALL the verses of the
Quran. You are a disbeliever of the Quran and you do not care about
its internal consistency and integrity. You will divide and chop,
mix and twist, take verses out of their context and do all the SIX
STEPS to fulfill reach TO THE POWER OF 666! You, your Sunni and
Shiite partners are warned by 15:90-99:
As
We have sent down on the dividers.
The
ones who have made the Quran obsolete.
By
your Lord, We will ask them all.
Regarding
what they use to do.
So
proclaim what you have been commanded and turn away from those who
set up partners.
We
will relieve you from those who mocked.
Those
who placed with God another god. They will come to know.
And
We know that your chest is strained by what they say.
So
glorify with the praise of your Lord, and be of those who prostrate.
And
serve your Lord until certainty comes to you.
Second,
the trashy sources you are so fond of using against my faith, yes
your favorite sources are reporting differently regarding the first
verse in your reference: Verse 2:256 is listed as Medinan verse by
the sources you wish me to believe. Again, you mix truth with
falsehood, pieces of glass with diamond, poison with candies…
Exactly like hadith narrators and collectors had done.
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If you do not read the
Quran in its historic context you won't be able to understand it. The Quran is
not a novel, it is not a how-to book, it is not a scientific dissertation
and it is not a philosophical exegesis. The Quran is a collection of many
verses that were written in response to certain events in the life of
Muhammad. A great part of the Quran refers to episodes happening to
Muhammad and his followers. If we disregard this historic context or what
the Muslim scholars call the sha’ne nozool, we miss the whole point.
For example the Surah 111 about Abu Lahab makes completely no sense
unless one knows the context in which this Sura was written. Only when we
read the tafseer and the sha’ne nozool of these verses we can understand
why in one place Muhammad says:
73:10
Be patient with what they say, and part
from them courteously.
And
in another place he says:
9:123
Oh ye who believe! Murder the
disbelievers and let them find harshness in you.
Abrogation
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The
idea of abrogation is a Satanic idea, and it was fabricated by Sunni
and Shiite mushriks who had problems with some verses when they
tried to twist others. Ironically, your mentality is not much
different. It seems that you have rejected the substance of your
religion but you are keeping its mind set, its fallacious reasoning
methods exactly. No wonder, the Sunnys who are following our
argument have found you much closer to themselves!
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The
idea of abrogation is confirmed in the Quran itself.
16:101
“And when We put a revelation in place
of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth - they
say: Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not.”
2:106
“Nothing of our revelation (even a
single verse) do we abrogate or cause be forgotten, but we bring (in
place) one better or the like thereof. Knowest thou not that Allah is Able
to do all things?”
This verse shows that some
verses of the revelation were abrogated and replaced with allegedly better
ones.
13:039
Allah effaceth
what He will, and establisheth (what He will),
and with Him is the source of ordinance.
The word used in Arabic is
Yamhoo يَمْحُو
This is translated by various translators of the Quran as blot out, make
to pass away, erase, abolish and abrogate. The correct word of abrogation
is naskh, but the word mahv used above also conveys the same meaning.
Also:
17:086
“And if We willed We could withdraw
that which We have revealed unto thee, then wouldst thou find no guardian
for thee against Us in respect thereof.”
Apparently
there were also verses that were abrogated but never replaced. This
information comes to us from hadith. You are not required to agree with it
and in fact you may skip this part. I am only quoting it as a matter
of interest. If you are allowed to write a book describing the details of
the life of Muhammad using the hadith without placing any particular
importance them, why shouldn't I?
Aisha
is reported saying:
"The
Prophet invoked evil upon those (people) who killed his companions at Bir
Mauna for 30 days (in the morning prayer). He invoked evil upon (tribes
of) Ril, Lihyan and Usaiya who disobeyed Allah and His Apostle. Allah
revealed a Quranic Verse to His Prophet regarding those who had been
killed, i.e. the Muslims killed at Bir Ma'una, and we recited the Verse
till later it was cancelled. (The Verse was:) 'Inform our people that we
have met our Lord, and He is pleased with us, and we are pleased with
Him." Bukhari
5.59.421
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