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Edip Yuksel vs. Ali Sina

Round VII -29

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To create an excuse and to mix pages of garbage to distort the meaning of a clear verse you asked the NAME OF A TRIBE. How clever you are! "Edip, your Quran does not tell me the name of the enemy tribe, so, I will go dig the mishmash collection of contradictory narrations and pig all the garbage I can, and use it to cover and distort the truth in the Quran."

This is a very cheap game Ali. It might have so far worked against those who considered your pile of historical trash as their holy books, but you are still in denial: YOU ARE DEBATING WITH EDIP YUKSEL founder of 19.ORG, A MUSLIM, not A SUNNI OR SHIITE MUSHRIK. Why are you still trying to pretend that your filthy weapons are still efficient in this battle-ground is a subject I leave for psychologists. You PROMISED me several times that you would not use hadith and other dubious sources, but each time you sought a silly excuse to bring a truck-load of them.

Now let me play the game you are begging me to play. Just recently, a sunni posted an article at 19.org/forum asking us where in the Quran we could find how to sleep! He was living in another universe as you do, and could not fathom the simple concept of following the Quran alone to attain eternal salvation. Here are four of his seven challenging questions:

What are the Quranic ruling on the following things?
What is the punishment for having sex with an animal?
Will you loose ablution if you touch a dog?
Does the Quran tell us how to sleep?
What are the words most beloved to Allah?

When I hear a Sunni asking me to provide irrelevant or stupid details to challege the sufficiency of the Quran alone, I remind them the story of Heifer or Cow mentioned in the Quran. When God asked Jews to sacrifice a heifer, rather than obeying God's commandment, they asked irrelevant questions like you and Sunnys do. They asked is color, its age, etc. (See the Quran 2:67-71).

Some of his great scholars of the past even wondered about the name of the dog, which was the companion of the so-called seven sleepers of the cave. Not finding the name of the dog, they decided that the verses 18:9-27 were not detailed enough to be understood! So they went a head and fabricated a name for the dog: Qitmeer. With the name and color of the dog, the names of the youngsters and more similar details, now the story of the People of the Cave was finally detailed and comprehensible! Though your curiosity regarding the name of the aggressive tribe is one grade above than your Sunni or Shiite ditto-heads, unfortunately you suffer from the same disease. To understand, and hopefully to appreciate MONOTHEISM, you need to cleanse yourself from the logical fallacies which somehow you retain from your Hislamic past. You came to hate Hislam, but unfortunately, you hate it with similar logical fallacies that had led you to love it in the first place. Thus, you replaced Hislam with Evilgelical Christianity or Spiritual Humanism that is dedicated to promotion of hate, dehumanization and misinformation, which may lead to genocide.

Please do not tell me that you cannot see those viruses; I know, they are too little to be seen. Well, when you called me "little devil" you were under the influence of those little devils. So, you should think nineteen times before hurl someone, especially a monotheist, such a label. You need a philosopher, a logician, a monotheist, a miracle, or another act of God, to help you find and delete them. If you cannot delete them from hardware and software system that makes your personality, then the Ali Sina of FFI may end up in the Creator's depository of "infected free-will programs" or "infected beta programs" and be deleted for eternity.

I almost forgot the game I promised to play against you. The name of the game is called BUMERANG or MIRROR since it mirrors the fallacious logic of the opponent and exposes the absurdity of their argument. Here we go:

"Okay, you are right Ali Sina, that the Quran does not contain the details you are asking for, and to understand the Quran we need hadith and tafseer (commentary) books you are so fond of. Now can you please tell me, how can I understand those books, since they do not contain many details that I AM CURIOUS about? For instance, which hadith or tafseer gives the numbers of those people? Which hadith or tafseer describes the flag of the Confederates? In which hadith or tafseer can you find me the temperature of that day? Don't tell me that these are not important information, since you have not claimed to be an authority or the only authority in defining what is important or not. Thus, you have to find another source besides hadith and tafseer to find answers for my questions. If you lived in those times, you had the choice just to fabricate one with a chain of narrators. Otherwise, you have to say exactly the same thing about hadih and tafseer books: “We cannot understand them.”

No Edip, not all the hadiths are important and certainly not all of them are true. Nonetheless this is all we have if we want to understand the phenomenon of Muhammad and Islam. It is through these hadiths and their consistency that the picture of Muhammad emerges. A picture that you dread looking at for what you see is the countenance of a monster. You may close your eyes or dig your head in the proverbial sand but you can't change the truth. You have no chutzpa to look at the real Muhammad and prefer to keep your mental image of him intact, but he is looking at you with a very nasty sneer. 

You can't keep your head under the sand for ever. Sooner or later you have to pull it out to breath and then you'll be very sorry for having wasted so many years of your life doing everything possible to keep yourself fooled. 

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