Response to Mr. Abdullah Ramay
2005/05/11
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Assalam-U-Alaikum
First of all i want to congratulate you, since you
are defending what you think is right. However you are going a step
further and trying to eliminate what you think is false
or wrong per se.
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Thank you for recognizing my right to speak my mind. But is
it wrong to eliminate what I think is false? If so are you willing to condemn
Muhammad who not only fought against what he thought is wrong but also destroyed
the temples of people who practiced different faith? I certainly do not object
Muhammad’s right to preach his faith. But I object the fact that he forced his
faith on others, assassinated his opponents and raided innocent people,
pillaged, raped and massacred. He had all the rights to preach his faith, but he
had no right to act like a thug.
| You are also in support of "extreme" measures in
order to remove what you think is wrong. Here one thing is
important:"what you think". And you also try to give evidence,
although only which you approve of, to uphold your "judgements".
Its ironic that your so called "fight against islamists
fundamentalist" is only by being an anti-islamist xtremist? |
It all depend what do you mean by
extreme. I certainly do not advocate violence, terror and bloodshed. However we
are dealing with extreme evil and extreme measures must be adopted. When your
enemy is a savage terrorist, you do not fight with him with words and reason.
You must take extreme measures to deal with this extreme situation. When Theo
Van Gogh was attacked, according to witnesses, he begged for mercy and tried to
reason with his assailant. “Surely we can discuss this,” he kept saying as
the shots kept coming. “Let us talk it over.” As Amir Taheri says:
“Van Gogh, who had angered Islamists with his documentary about the
mistreatment of women in Islam, was assuming that the man who was killing him
may have some reasonable demands which could be discussed in a calm, democratic
atmosphere. But sorry, old chaps, you are dealing with an enemy that does not
want anything specific, and cannot be talked back into reason through anger
management or round-table discussions. Or, rather, this enemy does want
something specific: to take full control of your lives, dictate every single
move you make round the clock and, if you dare resist, he will feel it his
divine duty to kill you.” With such an enemy we need to take extreme measures
if we don't want to lose become annihilated.
| I am a muslim, Mashallah, and only a student, and with
whatever knowledge Allah has given me i can see clearly that there is only
One Creator of this world, i can also see that this entity is all-hearing,
all-seeing, and all-capable. I also realize that there will be judgement
after death since this world has no fair judgment for many things. For
example if a person kills 200 people what can be given to him but a
capital punishment. I also believe that Allah, the creator of I and you,
knows what’s in our hearts. Now i also believe that just by saying
"i believe" no one will go in heaven, but by staying steadfast
in this world and being pious. And by testifying to the oneness of Allah,
our creator, and the signs that Allah has sent through out the ages. All
the above i believe and i have every right to. Just as i have a right to
believe that Islam is the right religion and Quran is a book with no
contradiction and that Mohammad PBUH is a messenger of Allah, just as
Jesus, Moses, Ibrahim, Yusuf, e.t.c PBUT(peace be upon them) and the list
goes on. And i have every right of this. |
You can believe in whatever you want to believe. I am not
against anyone’s faith. But when your faith tells you that you should impose
it on me with force, then I have to defend my right to hold to my beliefs. Your
prophet raided, innocent people looted them and imposed his religion on others.
He told his followers that all the countries that do not believe in him are
Dar-al Harb and it is their duty to wage war there, subdue people and force them
into conversion. Tell me Mr. Abdullah Ramay, now that you are so much in favor
of freedom of faith, are you willing to condemn verse 9:23 that says:
9:29,
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last
Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His
Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the
People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel
themselves subdued.
There are hundreds of verses like this in the Quran. What
do you say about this verse? Is it that you only think only you have the right
to believe in any damn thing you like and others do not have such rights?
Why you think Muslims should be given all the freedoms to practice their
religion in non-Muslim countries while non-Muslims have no right to do the same
in Islamic countries? Have you protested ever about the discrimination and
abuses of non-Muslims in Islamic countries? Why not? Isn’t it because you
actually agree that non-Muslims do not have the same rights as Muslims? I am not
proposing any extreme measures. All I am asking is to treat Muslim the way Quran
says non-Muslims should be treated.
Here is my reverse Quran:
- We
will cast terror into the hearts of Muslims. Therefore strike off their
heads and strike off every fingertip of them. 8:12,
- Let
not the non-Muslims take for friends or helpers the Muslims. 3:28,
- Rouse
the non-Muslims to the fight against Muslims. 8:65,
- Then
fight and slay the Muslims wherever ye find them. 9:5,
- Fight
the Muslims, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame. 9:14,
- ye
the non-Muslims take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if
they love Islam. 9:23,
- ye
the non-Muslims! Truly the Muslims are unclean. 9:28,
- ye
non-Muslims! fight the Muslims who gird you about, and let them find
firmness in you. 9:123,
- Therefore,
when ye meet the Muslims, smite at their necks; At length. 47:4,
How do you like that? Do you think it is too extreme? I
wonder why? Didn’t you say “Islam is the right religion and Quran is a book
with no contradiction and that Mohammad PBUH is a messenger of Allah”? Aren't
these identical verses from your "just" god. All I did is
to exchange the places of Muslims and non-Muslims. What? You say these are not
fair? Are you saying your god, Allah is not a just and fair God? If you think
what Muhammad said should be done to non-Muslims is fair, then you should not
complain for being treated in the same way. Haven’t you heard of the old maxim
that says “do unto others as you wish to be done unto you”?
| I am not going to debate with you, because
"debate" is something which takes us away from the real content.
We defend our selves and our "arrogance" rather than seeing the
truth and explaining the real issue. |
I know you don’t want to debate with me. Muhammad never
debated either. His favorite way was to raid and kill his opponents in order to
win. Muslims will lose in all the debates. But they win in terrorism. The reason
I have started this site is to make the world see the ways of Islam. And make
them understand that Muslims speak the language of violence and understand only
that language.
| However, you know deep in your heart that there is an
entity that is my lord and your lord and the lord of your ancestors and
mine and this world, and everything in it that we know of or not. Hence
pray to him, what ever you wana call him, call him Allah, or your lord, or
master, and ask him for guidance. For surely your God and My God, Allah,
guides the ones who are eager to be guided. |
This subject has nothing to do with what my site is all
about. I am not preaching atheism to anyone. If people like to worship God,
gods, or jellyfish it is their right to do so. I have an issue with Islam and
Muhammad. It is okay with me that you believe in a God that you think created
you, who answers your prayers. But prove to me that Muhammad was the prophet of
this God. You have no such proof. On the contrary I have proven that this man
was a monster and could not have been a prophet of any god, unless his god was
Satan.
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Allah is most forgiving so ask for forgiveness, and
think about what will happen to you on the day of judgement. When you meet
your lord and find out that you rejected the true ways, for the time is
now, make sure the decision you make now is the one you will happily live
with for eternity. May Allah give me and you guidance.
Assalam-u-Alaikum
Abdullah |
Mr. Abdullah. First you have to prove that this Muhammad of yours was indeed a
prophet of God and then threaten me with the punishment of his sadistic god. As
far as I am concerned Muhammad is in the deepest pit of hell envying the
position of Hitter for all the lies that he concocted, for all the blood that he
shed, for all the rapes, assassinations and massacres that he committed. No God
would send a thug to be the guidance to mankind. Muhammad was a thug. This is
clear and evident from the Quran, the Hadith and the Sira. How could God pick
such a pervert man to guide mankind? Do you have one single proof that he was a
prophet of God? How could God send a messenger with no proof at all? If the
punishment of disbelief is eternal burning, wouldn’t it be evil and sadistic
of God sending a messenger without any proof? “Believe or die” is not a
proof. “Believe or you’ll go to hell” also is not a proof. Give me one
single proof that Muhammad was a messenger of God that I can’t refute
logically and I will remove this site and will give you $50,000 dollars as
reward. Are you willing to take this challenge? Is there one Muslim among 1.2
billion Muslims who can prove to me that Muhammad was a messenger of God? Why is
it that when it comes to logical arguments you Muslims are so shy but when it
comes to terrorism you are so courageous? So you think debates “takes us away
from the real content” and make us arrogant. Is Jihad the right way to
establish the truth? Is terrorism better? You Muslims know that you can’t
defend your faith with logics. That is why you do not like religious
discussions, that is why you want to ban criticism of Islam, burn books critical
of Islam and murder the critics of Islam. It is all because you are unable to
reason rationally. But for waging war, for killing innocent people, you are so
good. Look at the list of how many acts of terrorism have taken place only in
these last few years. It is mind boggling. This is why I propose extreme
measures against Muslims. http://www.thereligionofpeacecom/
Kind regards
Ali Sina
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