The Trinity for Dummies

A Muslim asked me regarding the Trinity. The concept of trinity is one that Muslims can’t get their heads around. It is not because it is difficult to understand but because Muhammad could not understand it. If Muslims understand it, then it becomes evident that they are smarter than their prophet, which proves he was not a prophet of God. Since for them such an idea is inconceivable, they will do everything in their power to not understand. Muhammad’s inability to comprehend the concept of Trinity is evident in the Quran.
“People of the Book, … Do not say that there are three gods. It is better for you to stop believing in the Trinity. There is only One God.” (Q. 4: 171)
He also made up a conversation between God and Jesus where God Asks Jesus whether he has claimed to be God.
“When God asked Jesus, son of Mary “Did you tell men to consider you and your mother as their gods besides m he replied, “Glory be to you!” How could I say what I have no right to say? Had I ever said it, You would have certainly known about it.” (Q. 5:116)
Any rational person will agree that such conversation that would show God’s ignorance of what Jesus was doing and saying behind his back is not likely. Even Muhammad was aware of the absurdity of his story. Why would he then make it up? He repeats his ignorance of the Trinity again:
“Those people who say that God is the third of three are defying [the truth]: there is only One God. If they persist in what they are saying, a painful punishment will afflict those of them who persist. Why do they not turn to God and ask his forgiveness, when God is most forgiving, most merciful? The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a messenger; other messengers had come and gone before him; his mother was a virtuous woman; both ate food. See how clear We make these signs for them; see how deluded they are.” (Q. 5:72-75)
Apparently Muhammad was impressed by himself. In this brief article I am going to make things clear for Muslims to show that the one who was deluded was Muhammad. This article is not to prove the Trinity, but to explain the concept of it and show that it is not absurd and contrary to science and reason. In the past people had to rely on faith to believe in the Trinity. With our new found understanding of the quantum universe we don’t need to rely solely on faith.
Before explaining the concept of God’s Trinity let me dispel the mystery behind this word. The truth is that everyone is a trinity. Is it not true that each person consists of a mind, a body and a soul? So are you one or three? The question is absurd. Your soul, your mind and your body are different dimensions of you. The three is one. Does your trinity challenge your oneness? Another example is space. The width, the height and the depth of space do not contradict its integrity and oneness.
We can understand complex ideas with simple examples. Sun shines on all things. Things become visible when they reflect the light of the sun. All objects absorb some of the light and reflect some. Depending what frequencies they absorb, we see them colorful. There is one object that reflects light in its entirety. That object is the mirror. If you hold a clean mirror in front of the sun you can see the sun inside the mirror. You can point at the mirror and say that is the sun, and you would be right. You are not talking about the mirror which is made of glass. You are talking of the reflection of the sun in it. This does not mean that the sun is divided in two or has descended physically to enter the mirror. The sun remains intact, while at the same time it can be viewed in the mirror.
Now compare God to the sun and the immaculate soul of Jesus to the mirror. If God is present in the soul of every human, can’t He appear in all His glory in the soul of a sinless man such as Jesus?
We all carry the spirit of God in us. Our soul is the breath of God. Where there is life there is consciousness and all consciousness is from God. There is a piece of God in every living being. All life forms are divine. Since God’s consciousness is present in every creature, to the extent of the perfection of that creature, is it not possible that a perfect man could reflect God’s consciousness more faithfully than others?
When we say Jesus was God, we are not talking about his physical body. We know that he ate and drank like everyone else. So his body was made of the same molecules and atoms that make any other person. We also know that the molecules composing a human body are recycled constantly. Old cells die and new ones are born every day. In seven years, not a single atom in your body will remain the same. So clearly we are not talking about the physical body of Jesus. (Unfortunately many Christians make this mistake, which Muslims take advantage of.) We are talking of his soul, which became the mirror, upon which the spirit of God shined. This example although easy to understand has its flaws, because Jesus was not a reflection of God, He was God walking on earth without God descending from his throne or setting foot on earth. When you copy a file on your hard drive, the copy is the same as the original.
- “I and the Father are one.” (John 10:30)
- “He who has seen Me has seen the Father.” (John 14:9)
- “He who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me.” (John 12:45)
What is the Holy Spirit? In the above example we compared God to sun and Jesus to a mirror. The Holy Spirit can be compared to the rays of the sun that reflect on the mirror. The Holy Spirit made God reflect on Jesus.
Now let us move to science and reason. An object made of matter cannot be divided and maintain its integrity at the same time. If you divide an apple in two, it is no longer one. Objects that are smaller than atom are not subject to this law. Particles are subject to a different set of laws called quantum physics. A Particle can be split in two and still be one. And it can be in the past and the present at once. Particles are not affected by space and time. Space and time are properties of matter and are essentially the same. This means that if you are a particle, you are timeless and all over places, popping in and out of now and here. This is observable. Einstein showed that matter gives birth to time and space. Where there is no matter, there is no space-time.
If consciousness is a form of energy independent from body, which I believe to be the case, as I have shown here and here, it also can’t be subject to the time-space quantum. If the behavior of particles are any clue as to how a timeless and space less world works, then we should assume that our consciousness will be ubiquitous as well as eternal, just like electrons and photons. If particles can be in multiple places, why can’t consciousness? Although it is hard to imagine, it can be understood logically that where there is no time and space, past and future are the same, and here is just as near as the edge of the universe. This means our consciousness can be in two places at the same time, much like the way our thoughts can be in two places at the same time. If this is possible for us, why it should not be so for God?
Another example is information. A teacher can share his knowledge with his students and while the students experience an increase in their knowledge the teacher does not lose any of his. You can’t do that with physical objects. If you give some of your money to another person, in the same proportion that he is enriched you are impoverished.
The essence of God is consciousness. God is not subject to time and space. Once we leave this physical body we also won’t be subject to them. Future and past are present and present is eternity. It is all the same. Here and there will have no meaning. As a spirit you can be in two different places at once. In fact it is not unlikely that you may be in another body at this very moment, living an entirely different life. You may be of different gender, of different age and belong to different race, or even live in a different planet in another galaxy. You may even see yourself in the street and not recognize yourself. Past and future reincarnations are also meaningless. In the spiritual world, there is no past and future. Everything is happening now. This is the weirdness of a world not bound by space-time quantum. We know this through our knowledge of quantum mechanics. Consciousness is also a form of energy that is not subject to the space-time.
If the above is within the realm of possibilities for us, how can God not be able to be in different places at once? How can He be subject to time and space when He is the one who has made them?
The world that you see is a mirage. It is not real. The foundation of this visible world is the sub atomic world. When the particles form the matter, they also give birth to space and time. God is not made of matter. He is pure consciousness. He can deposit His essence in His creatures without losing any of His own. God is in all of us and yet, He is not diminished. Consciousness, like knowledge, can be shared and given away without being reduced. Therefore, if God is said to be in Jesus, the oneness of God is not affected. He is not split in two nor is diminished. God is one and at the same time He can be three, and even millions. In fact God is infinite. Every life form is a manifestation of God. If you see the sun reflected in millions of mirrors, it does not mean the sun is divided in pieces. This should also make clear the concept of multitudes of deities in Hinduism. Despite believing in two million gods, Hindus are monotheists. But Muslims will never understand this mystery, even when it is so simple.
Consciousness is another term for spirit. All living beings are conscious because they have the spirit of God in them. The difference between Jesus and us is only in degrees. We can say he was like a mirror, reflecting God’s consciousness in its full glory, while we are like other objects reflecting Him partially.
With this explanation, it is clear that Muhammad did not know the nature of God. Had he known that God is consciousness he would not have had any difficulty understanding the concept of Trinity. If God were a person made of matter like us, then Muhammad would have been right. This proves Muhammad had no spiritual insight. Despite being a superbly cunning man, spiritually he was a dunce. Muslims who bring up the argument of Trinity to beat up Christians are just showing their own spiritual ignorance.
Not only Muhammad did not understand the concept of Trinity, he was also confused about the belief itself. He thought the three persons representing the Trinity are Jesus, Mary and God. That is because his knowledge of the Bible was second hand. Being an illiterate man he had not read the Bible himself.
The above is my understanding of the Trinity. I am not speaking on behalf of the Christians. I know many Christians are also confused about the Trinity and they believe in it as a dogma. I am a rationalist not a dogmatic. I rejected God for lack of reason and now I believe in God through reason. Therefore my views of God may differ from those who have blind faith.
More evidence from the weird world of quantum entanglement
Another peculiarity of a world that is not subject to space and time can be seen in quantum entanglement. One particle can split and the two parts can become intertwined so that they always share the same properties, even if they’re separated by billions of light years. If you then affect a change of status in one of them, its counterpart will be affected instantly even if it is on the other side of the universe. This is what Einstein called the spooky action at a distance.
This is strange. Since our notion of reality is based on space and time it is difficult for us to make sense of it. However, quantum entanglement opens a new door to the understanding of the subatomic world. This so called spooky action is not the property of particles; it is rather a characteristic of the timeless and spaceless world.
Particles are energy. Thoughts and consciousness are also energy. Since they are not subject to space and time, they must behave similarly. Therefore, it is not irrational to say that consciousness/spirit can split in two, like particles, and remain entangled. One part can come to Earth as Jesus and the other part remain in the immaterial world as God. They are not half of each other. Each part is whole and undivided and both are one.
We have no way of understanding the spiritual world, but quantum physics is a window into a different world that does not follow the Newtonian laws of physics. This allows us to think differently, unrestrained by the constraints of the atomic wold of matter. And when we do that, we don’t have to base our belief in God on faith but on reason and science.
Concept of trinity always becomes hot topic among non Christian fellows. At the end the faith will justify the view. If you believe in it then trinity can be understood in many ways which it will always be object of debate for non believer of the concept.
Existence of religion is always based only on faith, it contradicts to science that always doubting about many things which lead into researching it.
Muslims won’t be able to understand concept of trinity because they don’t have faith in it. As simple as that. Is it right or wrong? Talking about faith there is no right or wrong because it will never be able to be proven as it is not scientific.
Ultimately for a religion to be relevant in society is to show positive impact to people’s life universally regardless their faith, race, gender etc because world has never been homogeneous.
Muslims have to take stand to confront and correct their brothers and start to see their fellow believers without religious ambiguity if they are doing wrong. In many cases Muslims failed to show their willingness to participate in confronting wrong doing in the name of Islam by their radical fellow brothers. This reluctance is shown by keeping silent especially in conflict involving Muslims and non Muslims. Or in many cases their condemnation is only lip service without real action.
In the case like Boko Haram, why is there no enthusiastic response like fighting Assad in Syria? If Boko Haram is true un-Islamic, then what they are doing in the name of Islam is tainting the name of Islam, it is an insult to Islam that deserves Jihad. In reality Muslims see it in the contrary.
In Indonesia, for many muslims, Trio Bali bombing earned more respect than Shiite or Ahmadiyah although their acts (bombing) were considered (officially) un-Islamic.
AliSina_FFI
Some people gave you way to much attention that you don’t deserve,as for me you are merely a charlatan.It seems to me the old age take a great chunk from your little sensitive brain.What left for you now just your filthy mouth like a dog with rabies,The infection already spreads to your spinal cord and brain. You showed me the signs in your logic .You know damn right i got you in this one .lol
Keep pretending that everyone understood your article,apparently that’s an easy way to ease the pain of the bad thinking in the first place. So keep barking and I will keep feeding you treats from time to time to keep me entertained with your amazing ideas.
I’ll be right back .
@Muslim22
You just proved my point that Muslims are the stupidest people in the world. I think everyone understood my article. Muslims are the only ones who can’t.
Allow me to look to your idea from
another perspective .
You said : “The truth is that
everyone is a trinity. Is it not true that each person consists of a
mind, a body and a soul? So are you one or three? The question is
absurd. “
That’s true I’m one in this case. So
for your dummies Christians that are in such a climax for this
stupid idea. They haven’t read the bible nor they can comprehend a
simple idea from it, when I say they I mean you Ali sinner as well
.
Let’s take the body,soul and mind are
one . Now we are going to take one out of that,let’s say we take the
brain ,or soul out of those three and put it in another dimension .
The question is :
Can the one that we took from the body
call the rest I am ? Of couse it can because it is still one . For
your dummies Jesus never called God I am,or did he ? Nor God called
Jesus I am .
Jesus peace be upon him prayed to God (
the father ), he never said I’m God in the heavens .
“My teaching is not my own. It comes from
him who sent me. If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out
whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.”
—John 7:16
Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli,
Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why
have you forsaken me?”).
You wrote : “ I explained that in the
rest of my article. I said God can be in two different places without
splitting himself. It was the poor Muhammad and his brain dead
followers that can’t understand this.”
I think you are the one and your
Christians who are brain dead CAN NOT and will not be able to understand
a simple think that Jesus said ,how much examples can Jesus tell you
in the bible that he is not God…”For I have come down from heaven
not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.”
Who
are you trying to fool ? If he was God why he prayed to himself, why
he used the the 3rd pronoun to call God “ my father”,and again
the body,soul and brain are one can this ( ONE ) be the son and the
father at the same time ? What are you thinking Mr charlatan know it
all ? Lol . This is really hilarious and an exciting thinking . At
least your Christians followers they don’t know ( they already
declaired are dummies ) and that’s fair enough from there part . but
you coming up with these ideas you must be on something .
You nailed it Mr Ali Sinner nothing
left to me to add to this subject,what can I say: The Trinity for
Dummies by Dummy Ali Sinner. BRAVO !!!!!!!!!!!
What I thought about you since I heard you talking at sean
hannity, I was right. I think you are getting old and I think you
need to take a break man .
Yes the christians are my brothers and sisters,and I have to
respecet their thoughts and their religion because Islam ordered me
to do that .
(37) وَلَا
تُجَادِلُوا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ إِلَّا
بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ إِلَّا الَّذِينَ
ظَلَمُوا مِنْهُمْ ۖ وَقُولُوا آمَنَّا
بِالَّذِي أُنزِلَ إِلَيْنَا وَأُنزِلَ
إِلَيْكُمْ وَإِلَـٰهُنَا
وَإِلَـٰهُكُمْ
وَاحِدٌ وَنَحْنُ لَهُ مُسْلِمُونَ
“And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way
that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and
say, “We believe in that which has been revealed to us and
revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims
[in submission] to Him.”
So hence I consider them my brothers
and sisters unless you want to put words in my mouth like you always do
when it comes to Islam and its prophet…
I don’t have to accept your idea
because I have a brain not like these fools they are already
recognizing they are stupid . (Look at the comments in this section)
if they are stupid does that make you more stupider then them ?
You said : “ Are the 200 plus
Christian girls reduced to slaves by your brothers of Boko Haram also
your sisters? …etc “
Those crack heads are druggies and they are
not my brothers,those girls are my sisters . Islam came against those
kind of people Boko Harama and others ,I don’t have to remind you of the Arab pagans they were worst
then what you see now in the news . Not anyone says Allaho akbar is a
Muslim. You are getting old and you are confusing between Islam and
what so called “Muslims” today. If it happens that you are in New York wearing a Shirt has Paris in it does that make you a
Frenchman ?
If I have a chance to go fight and bring those girls to
their families I will do it in a heart beat …Unlike you Mr Ali
sinner you wanted to nuke all Muslims kids ,young and old which make
you worst then these boko haram, an animal actually there is no category to put you in
.
Unlike in Islam,War has rules don’t kill animals,don’t burn
trees,don’t destroy building, don’t kill kids and the elderly fight
only your enemy and even your enemy surrounded you feed them from
your food and you clothes from your clothes and you treat them
good…But You Mr Ali sinner you want to nuke the ones you hate . I
don’t think you believe in God at all and you are making fun of
Christians too but they just don’t say it , all what they see and
hear what you said about Islam .
If you are talking about Muslims today
I agree with you 100 % they are not Muslims at all.Honour
killing,killing innocent people …etc that has nothing to do with
Islam,Islam came against all these evil behaviours,there is evil
wherever you go my old man .
…So
We decreed for the tribe of Israel that if someone kills another
person – unless it is in retaliation for someone else or for causing
corruption in the earth – it is as if he had murdered all mankind.
And if anyone gives life to another person, it is as if he had given
life to all mankind. Our Messengers came to them with Clear Signs but
even after that many of them committed outrages in the earth. (Qur’an
5: 32)
In yet another verse,God issues the following commandment:
Say:
‘Come and I will recite to you what your Lord has made forbidden for
you’: that you do not associate anything with Him; that you are good
to your parents; that you do not kill your children because of
poverty – We will provide for you and them; that you do not approach
indecency – outward or inward; that you do not kill any person God
has made inviolate – except with the right to do so. That is what He
instructs you to do so that hopefully you will use your intellect.
(Qur’an 6: 151)
According to Islam it is a great sin to kill an innocent
person,and anyone who does so will suffer great torment in the
hereafter.
…So
We decreed for the tribe of Israel that if someone kills another
person – unless it is in retaliation for someone else or for causing
corruption in the earth – it is as if he had murdered all mankind.
And if anyone gives life to another person, it is as if he had given
life to all mankind. Our Messengers came to them with Clear Signs but
even after that many of them committed outrages in the earth. (Qur’an
5: 32)
Muhamed the prophet that you hate so much said if you don’t have
mercy and pity in your heart towars what Allah created from humans and animals , how do you expect
his mercy and pity on you ?
And that speaks volume,But you old man ( الشيخ
الهرم )
getting old start talking nonsense making yourself believe that
billions of people agree with you. I can see your selfishness by
saying even a Hindus agree with me lol, you are doing it again
humiliating Hinduism like saying even the dumbest people ( Hinduism
) can agree with you…..big deal they did .
As a french wisdom says : “ Les
chiens aboient,la caravane passe “
I made it clear,the verses made it
clear that you are a crazy person in his thoughts take a break will
you ?
You said you read arabic I sum it up
with this beautiful poetry :
ضريبك
في بني الدنيا قليل وعز الله ربك من
ضريب
وماالعلماء
والجهلاء إلا قريب حينما تنظر من
قريب
You are ignorant and you think you are smart. You are a very smart
person in his ignorance I give you that .
The
ideas that inspired the French Revolution and the Declaration of
Rights, that guided the framing of the American Constitution and
inflamed that struggle for independence in the Latin American
countries [and elsewhere] were not inventions of the West. They find
their ultimate inspiration and source in the Holy Quran.” (Prof.
Robert Briffault, The Making of Humanity)
The
truths in the above extracts are an indication of the way that
Islamic morality has taught people about peace, tolerance and justice
down the centuries. Nowadays, everybody is seeking just such a model,
and there is no reason why such a culture should not once more come
about. All that is necessary is for people to want to live by the
morality of the Qur’an, beginning with themselves and later making
efforts to spread it to other people. When the morality commanded in
the Qur’an begins to be implemented everybody, from the very highest
ranks to the very lowest, will be just, compassionate, tolerant, full
of love, respectful and forgiving, and that will bring peace to the
whole of society.
@Muslim
As for John
15:26 that talks about the Comforter and your claim that it is a prophecy about
Muhammad. My answer is whahaha.
Comforter,
means someone who consoles and comforts people in their tragedy and for the
loss of a dear one.Does Muhammad fit
the description?Muhammad was a mass
murderer, not a comforter. Mass murderer is diametrically opposed to comforter.
The only role Muhammad fits is that of The Antichrist.
@ Muslim22
So now the Christians are your brothers and sisters?LOLHow about those being persecuted and killed in Egypt, Pakistan and all other
Islamic countries?Are the 200 plus
Christian girls reduced to slaves by your brothers of Boko Haram also your
sisters?How about this Christian
arrested his own home for the crime of reading the Bible with his fellow
Christians? http://www.faithfreedom.org/egypt-christian-arrested-for-using-home-as-church/
How much hypocrisy is enough Mr.Muslim
and who do you want to fool?
As for the example of mirror and sun it is just an example.
Of course Jesus was not a reflection of God. Jesus is God. I explained that in
the rest of my articles. I said God can be in two different places without splitting
himself. It was the poor Muhammad and his brain deaf followers that can’t understand
this. It is these benighted people who insist Jesus was only a messenger and nothing
more.You are dam wrong. Now we know
enough about the quantum physics to have an idea of a world not subject to
space and time and thanks to this know understanding, we can see that the claim
that Jesus was God dose in no way deny the oneness of God.
As I said at the beginning of my article, Muslims will never
understand this simple fact and will do everything possible including hide
their heads in their rear orifice so they don’t understand it. The moment they understand
it they will have to accept that Muhammad was a dumbass and that is not
easy.
My article was very clear and simple. Everyone understood it
the Hindus, Christian and even the rationalist who may not even believe in God,
at least can agree that my logic is not flawed nor it is unscientific.Of course they will not agree with me because
they can’t believe in God. But they will not deny my logic.
Let’s start with what you said :” if Muslims understand it …which proves he was not a prophet …” That shows your ignorant and shows you are not smarter enough to comprehend Islam,it is beyond your little hateful brain towards this prophet peace be upon him .
“People of the Book, … Do not say that there are three gods. It is better for you to stop believing in the Trinity. There is only One God.” (Q. 4: 171)
According to your article this verse is extremely true, If god is ( the sun ) in the mirror through rays, does that make it three ? Of course not , can the mirror say “I and the sun are one “? If the mirror talks, of course not,Can the mirror warm itself without the help of the sun ? Of course not ..hence the mirror is helpless can do nothing. But our brother Christians they think Jesus is the eternity itself ,Jesus did the miracles by himself ,I don’t blame them that’s what they learnt since they were kids,unlike you pretending the knowledge and your understanding to the Koranic verses and you missed this one. The verse is 100% true according to your analysis while you are wrong in explaining it . Like a foolish man holding an apple in his hand and saying this is an orange.Even he believed with his mind that’s an orange instead of an apple that doesn’t make it so .
The second verse it explain itself according to your dumb analogy ( Sun,mirror and rays ). Jesus peace be upon him was just like a mirror like any other mirror came before him ( Moses, Abraham, Noah …) he is not exceptional, not special,nor the son of God.
Now for further study to our Christians brothers,Ali sinner you sit back and listen you may learn something today.
John 14:16
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 16:7
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
I give you the answers of our brothers concerning this matter :
1- “Another Comforter” means Jesus in the Spirit as opposed to Jesus in the flesh
2- Jesus went to heaven in His glorified body so He could form a new relationship with His disciples, by sending back His own Spirit as the Comforter.
3- THE HOLY SPIRIT IS JEHOVAH’S ACTIVE FORCE:
4- Zechariah 4:6: “Not by a military force, nor by power, but by my spirit,” Jehovah of armies has said.”
All these answers and others seems a little bit logic in them unlike our charlatan Ali sinner who said :
The truth is that everyone is a trinity. Is it not true that each person consists of a mind, a body and a soul? So are you one or three? The question is absurd. Your soul, your mind and your body are different dimensions of you. The three is one and you are a trinity. Does your trinity challenge your oneness?
And this answer turns everything down and hit the Christianity in the heart . So Christian brothers and sisters, It amazes me how a charlatan can make a fool of you and your dearly religion to your hearts while standing up cheering him out . I know the answer for this one Just because he called Mohamed the prophet of Islam names as he always does . Keep applauding he is making fun of you all .
Back to the biblical verses mentioned above there is one simple thing has to be mentioned .The Greek word for “another” in John 14:16 is “allos”, another of the same kind, (denoting numerical distinction). The second of two where there may be more.
The Charlatan done it again but with a great humiliation to his Christians followers, trying to get away by saying that was his understanding of the trinity…lol did it the same way like Paul did drank to much butter milk and started saying all these things while pointing himself as the 13th apostle …filled up the bible with nonsense .
I’ll be right back whenever I get sometime because to entertain myself and laugh at these goons the way they think,the way they behave. Keep up the entertainment. And keep up making fool of yourselves .