Invitation for Dr. Zakir Naik

[Ali Sina]

Countless Muslims challenged me to debate with Dr. Zakir Naik. I wrote to all of them saying I am ready. Please invite him. But never heard back. Finally I published my acceptance in the Muslim's comments providing the email address of Dr. Naik letting Muslims know I am ready for the debate.

Today a Muslim wrote to him the following email that I published in the main site (Debates page) inviting Dr. Zakir Naik to prove us wrong.

I have a hunch that we are not going to hear anything from Dr. Naik. But hey I could be wrong.

Here is the invitation:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/ZakirNiak.htm

Do you think we will have the honor of having Dr. Naik debating with us?

Well maybe if others write to him he may consider.
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Don't be a follower, but a prophet unto your own.

[yeezevee]

[doubtless]

This is from Dr. Naik's Bio-Data given in accompanying link. A christian named school, a hindu named college, and a parsi named medical college all open to inidans regardless of caste and religion. And what does Islam propose: Shareea that includes the laws of Dhimma. What a commentry on the intelligence of the muslims!

[Sehar]

WHO AND WHAT IS MR. NAIK ZAKIR

After reading answers of Mr. Naik Zakir to Most Common Questions Asked I concluded that he is a typical Mullah. There is no rationality in his views and his way of thinking is not a new. Such kind of a Joker was emerged some years ago in Pakistan name Dr. Tahir ul Qadiri. Now he has his own religion base political Party. They have appetite of fame and money. However, in the Islamic world if rational type Mullah and leader ever have been emerged they are Dr. Mutari and Dr. Ali Shariati and Syed Qutab who have great influence on the beliefs of Muslims youths as well as have contributed great cause in Islamic Revolution of Iran. But let them here.

He produces every kind of stuff which he sees suitable in support of his beliefs. For example in Polygamy he produces two kinds of arguments. First argument is that Hindus are more polygamous than Muslim. He says that it is the Indian law that restricts a Hindu man from having more than one wife and not the Hindu scriptures.

Why Mr. Naik Zakir produce Hindu scripture in support of Islam? Both Islam and Muslims consider Hinduism as Kufr (infidelity). Hindus are considered as enemies of Allah, his Prophet and Muslims. Therefore, no any Muslim is ready to recognize Hinduism as a religion.

Producing arguments, from a school of thought which has already been fully rejected by Islam and Muslims, have no meaning except to give illusion to own followers.

Mr. Naik Zakir looked only Polygamy as correct in Hinduism. Why did he ignore other Hindu concepts i.e. salvation, Satti, ling-worshipping, Tantra, Gods/Goddess, cremations, polyandry (see Hindus epic book Mahabharata); etc to produce in support of ISLAM?

Because in his views these have no concurrence to Islam hence these are wrong.

When Naik Zakir’s reference from Hinduism in support of Polygamy should be considered as right then Hindus other beliefs must also be considered as right.

Not only Polygamy but there are other similarities between Hinduism and Islam too i.e. child marriage (law of manu) cast system system (in Muslim society marriage of a Syed girl is considered prohibited with a non Syed guy alike in Hinduism a girl of one cast cannot marry in other); Duties of woman to her husband are alike in both Hinduism and Islam. Quran, Hadith books and Vasishta and Law of Manu put alike duties on woman. Be slave to a man. Vasishta say “give him no cause for displeasure, quran says women are made for man’s pleasure. Mr. Naik should take these in support of Islam too so that stupid religious can make rejoice on these similarities and boast that Islam as well as Hinduism is correct and good.

When Hinduism, Christianity Jewish, Science etc are completely wrong in view of Islam and Muslims then producing these in favor of Islam and Muslims beliefs will mean that Islam and Muslims are also wrong and Baatil.

Second kind of arguments is assumptions which apparently seem based on Science and rationality. For example Mr. Naik in favour of polygamy produces his argument-5 as:

“By nature males and females are born in approximately the same ratio. A female child has more immunity than a male child. A female child can fight the germs and diseases better than the male child. For the reason, during the pediatric age itself there are more deaths among males as compared to the females.

Argument No. 6 is: India has more male population than female due to female feticides and infanticide. The heading of Argument No.7 is: World female population is more than male population.

Mr.Naik Zakir did not bother to produce sources in support of his these claims/data. On the basis of these data, Mr. Naik produces a beautiful supposition.

“Suppose my sister happens to be one of the unmarried women living in USA, or suppose your sister happens to be one of the unmarried women in USA. The only two options remaining for her are that she either marries a man who already has a wife or becomes public property. There is no other option. All those who are modest will opt for the first.”

To follow Mr. Naik Zakir way of reasoning and rationality I produce argument -11 from Eating Non vegetarian Food:

“If every human being was a vegetarian, it would lead to overpopulation of cattle in the world, since their reproduction and multiplication is very swift, Allah (Swt) in His Divine Wisdom knows how to maintain the balance of His creation appropriately. No wonder He has permitted us to have the meat of the cattle.”

Would that Naik told us that He-cattle’s reproduction and multiplication is very swift or She-Cattle?

Naik Zakir claims: Before Quran was revealed, there was no upper limit for polygamy and many men had scores of wives, some even hundreds. Islam put an upper limit of four wives. Islam gives a man permission to marry two, three or four women, only on the condition that he deals justly with them.”

How much ignorant is this guy. Perhaps Mr. Naik considers that Abu Jihl would have scored 1 to 100 wives Abu Lahab 2 to 200 wives and Mr. Muhammad would have married with only one wife Miss. Aisha and Mr. Abu Bakar would have married with one woman and so on.


Ha emblematic Mullah, Why you ignore HARMS of Khulafaas, Muslim Rulers and Muslim feudal, to throw dust in Non Muslim’s eyes or in eyes of believers? Every Khdalifa from Umayyad, Abbasid and Ottoman even Mughal dynasties has made HARM full of beautiful girls and women scored above hundred.

How many women were found in harm of the last Khalifa Sultan Abdul Hameed at the time when he was abated from Khilafat by Kamal Ata Turk?

Who had established the BAZARs of women for entertainment of Soldiers near Shahi Forts and Mosques? These Bazars are yet present.

Oh….They was shadows of Allah. But what about Sultans of Hyderabdad in their realm they had fixed day for young and unmarried girls to gather in Sultan’s Park so that Sultan could choose young beautiful girls for his bad.

What Fatwa about other Nawabs Mr. Zakir will give, as per whose order every bride had to pass her first wedding night on his bed before leaving with her bridegroom?

Some years ago in Pakistan a famous politician and feudal Mr. Ghulam Mustafa Khar scored 08 wives. No any person, politician, Alim condemned him for this act. Why?

Today women and girls are sold in various parts of many Muslim countries. Afghanistan and Pakistan even in Gulf states girls are sold. In Afghanistan women and girls price is fixed by her beauty and weight. Many girls price reaches into millions Afghani currency. In Pakistan, Swat Bannu, Kurram Agency, Mohmand Agency, South Waziristan areas and some areas of Sindh are notorious for the same business. Punjabi Parents are also compelled to give massive dowry to their daughter so that her newly husband and his family could be contented. Without massive dowry the life of newly wedded girls is made hell.
Child marriage is common in Muslim countries. Marriage between Syeda girl and non syed guy is considered Haram and disgrace of family of prophet.

What Quran says?

4:20 And if you wish to have (one) wife in place of another and you have given one of them a heap of gold, then take not from it anything……….

This is divinely gifted certificate for Muslims to score numbers of wives as much as they have courage and wealth. It also proves that a woman status in Islam is nothing except a commodity. Keeping two or three or four wives is common now a day because money is no problem by means of employment in Oil rich states and European countries and corruptions etc. Ratio of Talaq is increasing day by day in Islamic countries, why?

33:51 You may put off whom you please of them, and you may take to you whom you please, and whom you desire of those whom you had separated provisionally; no blame attaches to you, this is most proper, so that their eyes may be cool and they may not grieve and that they should be pleased, all of them with what you give them and Allah knows what is in you hearts; and Allah is knowing forbearing.

Mr. Naik Zakir writes:

“You are never able to be fair and just as between women….” (4:129) Therefore polygyny is not a rule but an exception.”

Mr. Naik Zakir complaints under Does Islam promotes violence that” Critics of Islam actually quote its verse out of context” but he also commits the same mistake while quoting Verse 4:129. It may also be seen with its context as:

4:128 And if a woman fears ill usage or desertion on the part of her husband, there is no blame on them, if they effect a reconciliation between them, and reconciliation is better, and avarice has been made to be present in the minds; and if you do good and guard then surely Allah is aware of What you do.

4:129 And you have it not in your power to do justice between wives, even though you may wish but be not disinclined with total disinclination, so that you leave her as it were in suspense; and if you effect a reconciliation and guard then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

4: 130 and if they separate, Allah will render them both free from want out of His
Ampleness and Allah is ample giving, Wise.

Seeing the verse No.4:129 in its context, it reveals that this verse means not that a man cannot do justice between wives. It means that in the situation of any clash between husband and wives it is not possible to do justice as like and dislike, lust and emotions etc are involved. If we considered the meaning of Mr. Naik as right then it is a refutable proof that Muslims are unjust. They have no right to govern any society and state. When Muslims cannot do justice with their wives then how they will do justice to other people and enforce justice in a society? Hence, Mr. Naik says that struggle to spread Islam means the struggle to spread chaos and injustice in the world because Muslims are unjust in the eyes of their Lord.

Under Hijab Mr. Naik Zakir argued:

“Hijjab prevents molestation”

It is stupidity to relate rape and molestation with Hijjab and veil. Now a day’s Hijjab and veil is more seductive than veillessness. Richs and Upper class Muslim’s women do not use veil and Hijjab. Do they invite others to rape and mole states them? Go in any Muslim state and wander in any City you will find two kinds of women one who wear in Hijjab and the other without Hijab. I am 100 per cent sure that women without Hijab will not effect on any man whereas girls with Hijab her bright eyes will feel piercing in heart.

Damn to prostitution. There are CDs of college girls (available in black market) belonging to noble families released by a Net Café which are sufficient for eye opening of Mullahs and people. The owner of net café installed hidden camera in a small cabin to check what young girls of noble families are doing in seclusion with their boyfriends before English movie on computer. In these CDs you will find young girls of every class, students, working, veiled and modern girls with their boyfriends enjoying sex.

Islam encourage prostitution vide verse 4:24

And all married women except those whom your right hands posses, Allah ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (a,, women) besides those, provided that you seek them with your property, taking in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those, whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is knowing Wise.

- You can marry with married women of your right hands posses.

- Then as to those, whom you profit by given them their dowries as appointed and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed.

This verse does not relate to Nikkah or marriage. The words clearly show whom you profit by given them their dowries. It is also note worthy that in marriage dowries is appointed for once at the time of Nikkah in the presence of witnesses. After that no one can make amendment in dowries. But the words: “There is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed” vividly indicate that this amendment is not related to dowries but related to time.

In simple words this verse means that if you used a woman given her remuneration and if your lust is not fulfilled you can retain the woman for more time if both you are agreed.

EQUALITY OF WITNESSES

In reply to the question about two women witness equivalent to a man under title Equality of Witness Mr. Naik Zakir claim that

It is not true that two female witnesses are always considered as equal to only one male witness. It is true only in certain cases. There are about five verses in the Quran that mention witnesses, without specifying male or female. There is only one verse in the Quran, that sways two female witnesses are equal to one male witness. This verse is Surah Baqarah, Chapter 2 verse 282. This is the longest verse in the Quran and deals with financial transactions. It says” Oh ye who believe, When ye deal with each other, in transactions involving future obligation in a fixed pe3riod of time reduce them to writing and get two witnesses out of your own men and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as yet choose, for witnesses so that if one of them errs the other can remind her” (Al-Quran 2:282) This verse of the Quran deals only with financial transactions. In such cases, it is advised to make an agreement in writing between the parties and take two witnesses, preferably both of which should be men only. In case you cannot find two men, then one man and two women would suffice. For instance, suppose a person wants to undergo an operation for a particular ailment. To confirm the treatment, he would prefer taking references from two qualified surgeons. In case he is unable to find two surgeons, his second option would be one surgeon and two general practitioners who are plain MBBS doctors.”

Sham for Mr. Naik quoting wrong translation of the Verse 2:282 I here reproduce the full verse as under:
“O you who believe, when you deal with each other in contracting a debt for a fixed time, then write it down, and let a scribe write it down between you with fairness; and the scribe should not refuse to write as Allah has taught him, so he should write; and let him who owes the debt dictate, and he should be careful of Allah, his Lord, and not diminish anything from it; but if he who owes the debt is unsound in understanding, or weak, or he is not able to dictate himself, let his guardian dictate with fairness; and call in to witness from among your men two witnesses; but if there are not two men, then one man and two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses, so that if one of the two errs, the second of the two may remind the other; and the witnesses should not refuse when they are summoned; and be not averse to writing it small or large, with the time of its falling due; this is more equitable in the sight of Allah and assures greater accuracy in testimony, and the nearest that you may not entertain doubts (afterwards) , except when it is ready merchandise which you give and take among yourselves from hand to hand, then there is no blame on you in not writing it down; and have witnesses when you barter with one another, and let no harm be done to the scribe or to the witness; and if you did then surely it will be a transgression in you, and be careful of to Allah, Allah teaches you and Allah knows all Things.”

It is a simple case of debt and in the eyes of Allah and his prophet a woman is not able to recall the simplest transaction which prove that Islam consider woman inferior to man. Allah considers woman having less memory and mental capabilities. But time proved it wrong. Today women are running large scale business alone. They occupy high positions in various institutions as Principals, Managers, Organizers, Financial Directors and Financial advisors. They are running the institutions and business with remarkable achievements.

There are numerous women who have achieved doctorate degrees in physics, chemistry, economics and maths etc. etc. and there are also a great majority of men who are illiterate or have less education than those woman.

As per quranic teachings, had we considered two educated women equal to an illiterate person then will not be it unjust with women and education?

This verse 2:282 also contradict verse No.04:5.


2:282 says: but if he who owes the debt is unsound in understanding, or weak, or he is not able to dictate himself, let his guardian dictate with fairness

04:05 says: And do not give away your property which Allah has made for you a (means of) support to the weak of understanding, and maintain them out of (the profits of) it, and clothe them and speak to them words of honest advice.

In both verse word Sufahaa has used which means who has lack of understanding, stupid, brainless.
In verse 2:282 Allah forbid giving your property to Sufahaa and in verse-04-05 Allah allowed giving debt to Sufahaa. Why? Because, if you give your own property to such person he will waste it but if you give him debt then you can claim two or three fold more than the actual debt easily. This is the purpose of these verses.

Quran consider woman as inferior to man either she is educated and Mutaqee or not. Man is either illiterate or rascal anyhow he is superior to woman.

2:228 and the men are a degree above them and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

4:34 Man are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property, the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded

2:223 your wives are a tilth for you, so go into your tilth when you like, and do good beforehand for yourselves and be careful to Allah and know that you will meet Him and give good news to the believers.

Also read verse 4:20.

These verses clearly confirm that woman status in Islam is nothing except a commodity. Verse 2:223 clearly proved that woman is like a farm and field. Every person can see any Tafseer, Fiqah and Hadith books about this verse which clearly and unhesitantly allow sex with woman by unnatural way Sham Sham for Islam and Muslims.

Apart from these verses all right reserved to man in the issues of separation (Talaaq) and Nikkah (Marriage).

Mr. Naik also confirmed in his example that women are like practitioners plain MBBS doctors and man is like surgeon. But practically we have seen woman as surgeon and man as practitioner plain MBBS.

The issue is witnesses of woman and as per quran two women’s witnesses are equal to a man in debt affairs. Mr. Naik produce example of Surgeon and practitioners. How silly example has been produced by him.

In my view economics is the base of society and man’s activities are depending upon it. Now if a woman’s mental capabilities are not reliable in the economic and financial affairs she cannot do any kind of job either that is house holding or business and service. She is zero in Islam.


Under the title Inheritance Mr. Naik says” In Islam a woman has no financial obligation and the economical responsibility lies on the shoulders of the man. Before a woman is married it is the duty of the father or brother to look after the lodging, boarding, clothing and other financial requirements of the woman. After she is married it is the duty of the husband or the son. Islam holds the man financially responsible for fulfilling the needs of his family.

That is how we Muslims are poorer than European because here one man is earning and 10 Nos. family members are eating.

There is no doubt that economic dependent man, society or country is considered slave in all respects. Hence Islam, Hinduism, Christianity etc who put economical responsibilities on the shoulder of man only are nothing wants except that woman should be remained as slave of man. Every Scripture taught this.

A main purpose of modern education is to polish the guts of a man/ woman so that he/she could participate in productive activities. Saying that economical responsibility lies on the shoulders of the man mean that Islam does not want modern education for woman but it wants ignorance ignorance ignorance for woman so that she could be used as ………………………...

With Love

[MrHappy]

This is my favourite from the toad,

5. Hijaab prevents molestation

The reason why Hijaab is prescribed for women is mentioned in the Qur’an in the following verses of Surah Al-Ahzab:

"O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad); that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." [Al-Qur’an 33:59]

The Qur’an says that Hijaab has been prescribed for the women so that they are recognized as modest women and this will also prevent them from being molested.

6. Example of twin sisters

Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are equally beautiful, walk down the street. One of them is attired in the Islamic hijaab i.e. the complete body is covered, except for the face and the hands up to the wrists. The other sister is wearing western clothes, a mini skirt or shorts. Just around the corner there is a hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. Whom will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijaab or the girl wearing the skirt or the mini? Naturally he will tease the girl wearing the skirt or the mini. Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The Qur’an rightly says that hijaab prevents women from being molested.


http://www.drzakirnaik.com/pages/qanda/3.php


Doctor indeed.
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If you see a sacred cow, kick it.

[scaredguy]

Muslims from the indian subcontinent are complete boot-lickers of the arabs and turks and iranians. They will go out of their way to glorify not only islam but also the arabs etc.

They have an inferiority complex. Even if they have studied in secular and progressive institutes, once they (re)discover their islamic "identity" they go crazy trying to justify islam's most foolish or even criminal assertions and claims.

Debating with these people is actually a waste of time. But we can hope for better. What social pressure comes to bear upon a muslim when he sets himself the task of defending islam - just imagine. He can never admit defeat. He can never be honest about his defeat. His clan, family, friends, mullahs etc. will jeer him and outcast him if he ever admits that islam was wrong or Mohammad did something criminal.

What use debating with such morons?

Put some firm conditions upon the guy. Ask him if he really is mentally free and safe to admit defeat publicly if the argument goes against him. Since we contend that the kuran is from a fake god - what other independent sources can he bring up for his claims?

[Ali Sina]

Check out the response of Dr. Naik (or maybe his team)

http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/ZakirNaik.htm

He officially declined to debate.
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Don't be a follower, but a prophet unto your own.

[SherKhan]

Chicken

[yeezevee]

[Sehar]

Dear Ali,

Your profile is not of a man of high caliber. High caliber profile means illiterate. If you match this standard then there are great chances to debate with you.

Mr. NZ is a high caliber man i.e. ignorant and typical mullah and you are not likewise.

With great regard,

sehar

[MrHappy]

Allow me to translate/comment;

Thank you for your email.

liar


However, I'd just like to point a few things out.

Can we guess where this is going ?

Firstly Dr Zakir Naik doesn't read any emails which come to this website, he is mostly abroad and doesn't have time to deal with the hundreds of emails we get daily.

I wonder if the resposne would be the same if the email was about a substantial donation.


Dr. Zakir Naik has had many debates, and they are all with high-profile and high-calibre people, people who are know to the Christian world etc...

Similar to a professional boxer managed by an astute promoter, "Dr" Zakir only enters into the (debating) ring with pre screened opponents.


Dr. Zakir Naik will be having more debates, and they will be advertised on our website in due course,

Well, the ones we think he won will be.

99% of people who wish to attack Islam all use the same points, which are mostly answered on our website, so there will be nothing special to debate with you at this time.

You fall into the other 1% who actually know what they are talking about and use historic and logical arguments which we are not used to. Therefore we will defer until we have a strategy or we will probably not bother.


We are very busy, any new material that we find on the internet against Islam we shall answer in due course and post the information on our website.

They will be very busy for quite some time as the internet has now opened a deluge of material on the internet "against" islam.
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If you see a sacred cow, kick it.

[Ali Sina]

Looks like some Muslims have started feeling the embarassment.

[MONICA]

What astounds me is that Muslims always and I mean always use another religion to justify Islam. Even religions that are not part of the abrahmic traditions. Muslims use Hindu scriptures to justify Islam if speaking to a Hindu audience, Christian Scriptures when speaking to Christian audiences, Buddhism when in a Buddhist arena. I wonder how they will compare Islamic scriptures when speaking to Satanists.

[Ali Sina]

[PeaceOnEarth]

The reason Zakir Naik would not debate Ali is because he cannot see an obvious financial motive. He is too busy selling books and tapes to faithful followers.

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Here are some revealing audio presentations by Zakir Naik:
http://www.ahya.org/invite/drzakir.shtml

Here is a response/rebuttal by answering-islam.org:
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Responses/Naik/

Quran and Math Errors, a response to allegation by Zakir Naik:
http://www.themodernreligion.com/science/math.html

Misconceptions about Quran, by Zakir Naik:
http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Park/6443/Islam/misconcep.html

Modernized or outdated?, by Zakir Naik: (On Women and Islam)
http://www.uctis.za.org/html/women_s_rights.html

Zakir Naik on Hinduism
(The Hindu says everything is God. The Muslim says everything is God's)
http://www.adishakti.org/forum/brahman_overcomes_all_muslim_christian_objections_about_hindu_believe_in_one_god_10-23-2004.htm
In support of polygamy,
http://www.indolink.com/Forum/Arts-Culture/messages/275.html
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"The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract." - Oliver Wendell Holmes