Kamran Mirza vs. Mr. K. Rahman
Perspective on Atheism versus Theism
Syed Kamran Mirza
New York City, USA
Recently in NFB, Mr.
K. Rahman has made several despotic comments that are utterly
ridiculous, unfounded, illogical and deserve strong rebuttals.
Avijit, Aparthib Zaman and Shabbir Ahmed did splendid job of
rebutting those hilarious logic of Mr. Rahman.
Because of the ridiculous writing style of Mr. Rahman (not
putting quotations inside inverted
coma), readers had difficulty in understanding, as to, who was
talking what in his article. However,
it is a well-known fact that there is an erroneous common perspective in
general that religion makes human beings perfect, kind hearted and
impeccable person. This is only a century-old hypothesis, which has no
practical impact at all. Sometimes
ago, Mr. Aparthib Zaman wrote an excellent article in this forum with
strong inconvertible logic and philosophical arguments to prove that
religion has no strong basis to make a human being moral.
But, Mr. Rahman is telling us completely a different story.
According to him, all religious persons are good humans and
conversely, non-religious persons are bad humans.
In this essay, I shall use some historical facts to prove that
Mr. Rahman’s theory has flaws and incongruity.
Mr. Rahman says:
was not talking about any tom, dick or harry. I was talking about two
institutions, i.e., atheism and theism [strictly speaking: ISLAM]. Islam
in its institutional form of authority in ISLAMIC EMPIRE simply did not
commit any genocide or demonstrate murderous behavior. Atheism appeared
in institutional form in COMMUNISM and was a deadly blood thirsty
Let us examine how
Mr. Rahman is right in his assertion.
According to his theory of institution—all communist countries
are grouped into one institution-COMMUNISM.
On the other hand, all religious countries are grouped into one
Let me take first:
THE INSTITUTION OF COMMUNISM
were the communist countries: USSR, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria,
Mongolia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, China, Vietnam, North Korea,
Cambodia, Cuba etc. were ruled (some are still ruling) by the
constitution/doctrine of the Communism.
As per I know the constitution or doctrines of the Communism is
the best possible pro-people constitution in the whole world.
Even the most pro-people constitution of USA is of no comparison
with the constitution of Communism.
Truly speaking, in theory, constitutional decrees of Communism
are much more pro-peoples than the constitutional decrees of Capitalist
America, although practically it has been proven quite opposite.
Nevertheless, the book of
the Communist Constitution never ever contains any order to:
kill, hate, oppress, subjugate and punish any believers,
non-believers or other race and creeds.
According to Mr.
Rahman communism means an institution of atheists and this institution
therefore should commit killings and every countries under communism
must have killing fields throughout the country, because they are
atheists. Now world
knows—only some particular
leader (not every leaders) in USSR, China and Cambodia had committed
some political killings, again those killings did happen only under
certain particular dictators like Stalin, Palpot, Mao Tse-tung, etc.
Even in Russia—other rulers like Nikita Khrushchev, Gorbachev
and others did not commit mass killings.
Therefore, we did not see any general trend of killings in every
Communist country. A vast
majority of Communist countries (mentioned above) never had any such
political mass killings. Cuban
President Fiddle Castro is ruling Cuba for forty some years by strict
Communist constitution. Was
there any evidence that Fiddle Castro did mass killings in Cuba?
Certainly not! So
where does stand the very ludicrous theory of Mr. Rahman that, Communism
must commit mass killings?
Besides, mass killings in communist countries were never
documented like the killing fields of two World Wars; hence most of them
were simply propagandas by Capitalist world during the Cold War period.
Now let us draw our attention to the history of those
countries ruled by theists.
INSTITUTION OF THEISM (BELIEVRS):
us take some prominent Strict Islamic Countries:
Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, and Sudan whose constitution is
Islamic Shariaat (Quran and Hadiths).
In the constitution (Quran
and Hadiths) of these Islamic countries—there are plenty of scriptural
(constitutional) orders to: kill , oppress, subjugate, punish all
non-believers, other believers. Also there are plenty of orders to
suppress/oppress/subjugate women and minorities (Dhimmis).
So what have we seen in these three
countries of strong believers? Let us check one at a time:
Iran: After the Islamic
revolution Ayatollah Ruhulollah Khomeni immediately killed (by
execution) tens of thousands so-called anti-revolutionist Iranians.
He brought death upon another million young boys during the eight
years of war with Iraq. After
that this Islamic regime of strong believers continued endless killings
and tortures to tens of thousands of innocent Iranians in the name of
saving Islam and Allah.
Saudi Arabia: A total despotic
tyrannical dictatorship with sporadic killings by beheading, maiming,
tortures of its citizen is routine.
Oppression and subjugation of women and minority (of course no
minority exists) are rampant.
Needless to mention that this true Islamic country is the
reminiscent of modern day Caliphate of 7th century Arab.
Killings, tortures, subjugating, suppressing people’s rights,
suppressing women’s and minority’s rights are routine. In short one
can say that—no civilized people can live in Afghanistan today. This
country is the most black spot of the Islamic world today!
Sudan: Since the inception of
Islamic Govt. in Sudan, sectarian fights between Muslims and Christians
are rampant, which had taken the life of tens of thousands of innocent
WHAT ARE WE OBSERVING IN THESE THEISTS RULED COUNTRIES MR. RAHMAN?
us take some prominent countries ruled by the rulers who is a believer
Iraq, Pakistan, Uganda, etc., are some countries ruled by believers (and
not by an atheist).
In the Second World War, Adolph Hitler killed an estimated 20-30
million peoples. Hitler
was a Christian and strong believer (not
an atheist) yet Hitler was a demon diabolic killer.
When he became the glorious leader of Germany, Adolph Hitler
thought that God’s invisible hands were behind his success.
He incited his young followers to kill all Jews and Communists to
please Christian God. (Personal
diary of Adolph Hitler by: Adolph Hitler—Translated by Rukhsini
Proshad Battacherji ).
A Muslim Country having rulers
who believed in God’s existence unlike an atheist who does not believe
in existence of any personal God. What
have we seen there? Does
any body remember Indonesian Military coup in 1965?
October 1965, more than one million Communist workers and peasants were
brutally slaughtered in the name of saving democracy and Islam by a
organized army coup led by General Suharto, which swept aside Indonesia
and simply wiped out Communist Party (PKI) within a few days of massive
killings. In this cruel ordeal—Indonesian Mullahs gave full hand
supports to General Suharto. These
were all THEIST PEOPLE INDEED WHO DID THE KILLINGS IN Indonesia.
Where stands the theory of Mr. Rahman?
In 1971, during the
glorious Independence struggle of Bangalees, Pakistani soldiers who were
theist/believers killed three million innocent peoples (Adam Santaan),
raped 250,000 women and destroyed Billions of dollars worth property.
All most 98% percent of all Mullahs, Maulanas, Madrassah students
of Bangladesh helped Pak army in this brutal killing, and raping of
Niazi, Yahya they all were Muslims and believers indeed.
So, where lies your theory Mr. Rahman?
President Saddam Hussein who is
known as a diabolic killer is a true believer.
To many a Muslims, he is a Islamic hero who fought, or fighting
infidels for the cause of Islam. This
demon, diabolic Muslim killed tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi
peoples. He used weapons of
mass destruction (Chemical weapons) to kill several Kurd villages where
he annihilated thousands of human beings.
He even killed his own son-in-laws, nephews and other nearest
relatives, and still continued assassinating peoples who opposes him.
Where lies your theory, Mr. Rahman?
Dada Idi Amin of Uganda was a true Muslim/believer who
slaughtered tens of thousands of peoples.
It was told that, he was a diabolic terrorizing ruler who was
also a cannibal who loved to eat human liver and flesh.
So, where lies your theory, may I ask you Mr. Rahman?
let us deal with the Institution of the Prophets:
Moses: was a blamed for killing
human beings who fought wars and killed peoples at war and also killed
people who surrendered him.
Jesus was an extremely
kind-hearted forgiving Prophet. This
prophet asked to forgive all sinners, love all sinners, never kill any
body, never take any revenge, and love your archenemy.
Even love and forgive thieves and prostitutes. He used to advise
his disciples to conquer enemy’s hearts by love and forgiveness.
This Prophet of Islam,
though in his early life was a peaceful, honest guy, begun his
venture of establishing his new religion Islam by force. From the very
early period he started a collision course with the pagan Arabs and used
his sword to overcome all resistances from his rivals. In many wars, and
in many secret conspiracies he killed tens of thousands of peoples who
opposed Islam. He hired killers to annihilate his rivals by luring
peoples with the dazzling heavenly pleasures and happiness. He even
killed surrendered unarmed war prisoners in the Khyber and Quraiza war.
was a Prophet who never killed any life (Humans, Animals, Insects etc.).
He asked his followers to love, forgive and never kill even a Mosquito.
So what should be our
honest and sincere conclusion by the above survey of world’s history?
Here in the Prophetic institution also we have seen no consistency at
all. We neither can claim
that anybody who is a Prophet should be a killer/demon, nor can we say
that anybody who is a Prophet should be a merciful, kind hearted
benevolent human being!
When Aparthib Zaman
and others pointed their fingers towards Yahya and Tikka khan’s
cruelties then Mr. Rahman said, “Yahya
or Tikka khan did not represent any Islamic institution. They
represented a traditional power institution”.
Well Mr. Rahman, could you tell us why Stalin, Polpot and Mao
Tse-tung could not be considered just as the likes of Tikka khan, Yahya
who also represented a traditional power institution?
In his flip-flop
sidetracking of real answer to those questions asked by Shabbir Ahmed,
Aparthib Zaman and others, Mr. Rahman tried to get excused by saying:
“well, Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan is not the real Islam!”
Now the question is what
is real Islam? And where
lies the real Islam? Afghanistan
and Saudi Arabia are being ruling by pure Islamic Shariaat (Quran and
fervent request to Mr. Rahman or any other Islamists -- please, could
you give us just FIVE good
reasons/criteria, as to why, we
should not call Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia a true Islamic Country?
Your FIVE reasons must have supports from Quran and hadiths.
Truth of the matter
is — to be a tyrant killer, one does not have to be either an atheist,
nor theism is the prerequisite qualification for a killer.
More or less, people of both camps (atheism and theism) could
turn into a despotic tyrant killer anywhere and everywhere in this
world. Modern science has
proved with well-founded theory that, killer instinct of a human being
lies in his genetic make-up. And
this genetic predisposing factor may get even stronger/worst by
political strength and dictatorship.
Nevertheless, a careful survey of world history will tell exactly
the opposite of what Mr. Rahman asserted in his first essay that atheism
insist killing spree in human minds.
To the contrary, the world history will tell us that it was the
THEISM incited killing spree among the people for thousands of years.
THEISM vehemently divided the human race for thousands of years
causing tremendous harms to humans.
Religions or belief systems of various types are the most
prominent cause of blood shed in the mankind’s history.
other single factor killed so many peoples than the total number of
peoples killed by the religion, for the religion and of the religion in
the whole mankind’s history.
Even today, religions are the main factor of sectarian killings
in Pakistan, Sudan, Philippine, Indonesia and many other countries of
the world. Even the social oppressions and economic corruption runs high
in those countries ruled by theist person (Pakistan, Bangladesh,
Nigeria, India, Sudan, Somalia, Uganda, etc.), but social
oppressions/corruption are much less in those countries ruled by
atheists rulers (Singapore, Japan, China, Taiwan, Thailand etc.).
I have a bitter personal true observation that tells me that the THEIST
people are more inclined to commit crime than ATHEIST
people, which I will bring in this forum sometimes next.
Let me conclude this essay with a famous quote:
is an insult to human dignity. With
or without it, you would have good people doing good things and evil
people doing evil things. But
for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”--
Nobel Laureate physicist Steven Weinberg: