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bush badee
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Nadir wrote
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The topic will be Quran and Modern Science, by the grace of God, In the Ahmed - Giron debate, the Quran has been proved to be authored by a source greater than man and rendered a true living miracle for all times. You can download the debate from my website:
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I admire your imagination.
Have you ever considered writing a novel.
A comedy one would probly be right up your alley.
Where do you get such funny nonsense any way.
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bush badee
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Peace on earth quoted
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"The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract."
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ha ha ha hahahahaha 
What a laught and how true.
I will put that down in my little books of wise sayings.
Gd how true[/quote]
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bush badee
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Ali sina wrote
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Since I am the accuser and you are the defendant, I will bring charges against Muhammad and it is up to me to prove that the charges are true. Then you can respond and prove that they are false.
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You are taking unfair advantage of him in a number of ways.
First, you know dam well that he can not disprove any of your charges, in fact, he can not even prove that historically Mohammed (JK&CM) existed.
Second you see to have a complete brain and he seems to come up half a wit short.
So I would ask you Please have pity on him and do not embarris a half wit.
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bush badee
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After you lose this debate Mr. Ahmed, I'd say we should contact all the people that you claim you won the debates with and find out what really happened.
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No he will issue a fatwa and call for Ali Sina's death just like they tried to kill Morley or what ever his name is.
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bush badee
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The debate has not even begun yet and you have already been proven wrong! This is equivalent to a "first round knock down.. sending Sina crashing to the canvas..." lol
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In your dreams.
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bush badee
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VAlso I apologize, but as of right now, I dont have transcripts, just audio files... But I think Denis Giron might have them for the debate... I will check with him
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That is a very poor excuse.
I have at least three programs that will turn audio directly into text. With all the popular books you claim to have writtne surely you can afford IBM's Via Voice or one of the other ones.
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Mullah Mo
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Location: In HELL with Mohammed the Pedophile Prophet
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| I guess seeing Ali Sina take a knock down in the first round was a little too much for his fans to handle! lol |
What “ROUND”?? I didn’t even see you bring up one verse in the Quran YET!!…. Seems like the guy is just assuming that he’s winning…. Even though he’s bringing a butter knife to a gun fight, with the help of Allah “he is winning”.
This kind of behavior or thought process is not uncommon among Muslims, e.g. “Comical Ali” during the last Iraqi war.
Or how about that boxer from the U.K. “Prince Naseem Ahmed”. He had this grand way to enter the ring and said “I’m fighting for all the MUSLIMS all over the world, Allah oo Akbar”. Not only this U.K. boxer who was fighting for all MUSLIMS got his ass beat, Allah wasn’t even near the ring to help him. LOL…..
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bread
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Correct Mullah Mo: Antonio Barrera beat him silly in each of the 12 one sided rounds. Allah let down all the Muslims that Hamed was fighting for. What a shame, this Allah is quite a trickster.
I think Ali should accept this challenge: to put the Quran against Modern Science. Why not? There arent many brave Muslims taking up the challenge of FFI, so when a brave one shows up, why not accomodate him?
If Ahmed wants to discuss Science Versus Quran, why not? Let us begin and may the truth be known.
PS: Der Mr. Ali, a lot of Quranic errors have alreday been exposed here by Cromagnong, Spinoza, Adnan and myself (that is besides the many you exposed yourself), so you can review some of them and select some to discuss with Mr. Ahmad.
Please accomodate him and his desire to discuss Quran against Modern Science.
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rand
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http://www.examinethetruth.com/apology_rejected.htm writes:
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| So, how did all this change? Well, shortly after that radio show, I attended a Christian chat room on paltalk.com in which a dispute was taking place. The dispute was over a certain Arab Christian nick named "Christian Prince" and his means of "evangelizing" to Muslims. "Christian Prince" has to be one of the most vile, insulting, hateful, individual I have ever met. HIS ENTIRE MINISTRY IS BASED ON INSULTING ALLAH, PROPHET MUHAMMED(P.B.U.H), AND ISLAM! His insults are soo bad, soo x-rated, and vulgar, I cant not quote them in this article, nor can I post my debates which I had with him on my web site. |
Dear Nadir AHMED,
If you cannot show any evidence, then I am not going to assume that you won that debate.
I read http://www.examinethetruth.com/apology_rejected.htm
I really don't get your point. To paraphrase, Sam Shamoun insulted you and allah, he apologized for insulting. You then caught him defending someone for insulting islam. Let's assume we accept your allegations as true and fair.
1. I do not believe in Christianity, so I don't see how this story would in any way influence my beliefs. Ali Sina also does not believe in Christianity.
2. Even if I believed in Christianity, I certainly wouldn't believe that what each and every Christian does represents Christian theology. Christians make mistakes. "Let he who is without sin throw the 1st stone."
3. If you prove that Christianity is false, this does not prove that Islam is true. They both can be false.
But for the sake of argument/amusement, let's assume your logic was okay:
Nadir Ahmed wrote in http://www.examinethetruth.com/apology_rejected.htm
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| And that was wrong what I did, it was mean and insulting. I should have just ignored Sam’s insults and moved on. Therefore, I also issued an apology to Sam and his followers. |
So we see that Nadir admitted he was wrong and apologized. But the url is titled
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| Answering Islam’s sincere apology REJECTED |
In your article you made fun of Sam, and insulted him. So if your article disproved Christianity it also disproved Islam.
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yeezevee
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I just read from this site .. http://www.examinethetruth.com/apology_rejected.htm
Mr. Nadir to Sam...
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| ..I’m not sure what this apology had to do with my article, but I immediately accepted his apology. His apology really moved me. I really appreciated the fact that he took back all the insulting remarks about Islam. But I was no angel either. I of course refused to insult his religion in return, as Islam forbids such behavior. In addition to that, It is my intention to bring the Christians out of the darkness of false doctrines made by men and into light of God’s truth, just as soo many Christians have been saved. You can’t do that by insulting people’s religion. But rather, what I did do, was insult Sam personally. I made fun of Sam’s morbid obesity by calling him Sam "Shamu" Shamoun, and ridiculed the fact that he is a bald, middle aged, total loser with no girlfriend, wife, or significant other and lives with his mother. Not to mention, his filthy shabby appearance, as I mentioned one time... |
Did you write that Nadir? Are you the same Nadir trying to Challenge FFI? ..Above..you sound as if you are in diapers, I am no more certain that you have pants on dear Nadir.. ... Change that Lingo....Let us get Dr. Zakir Naik to help you over here ..Any way I like that picture of "Shamu"
with best regards
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jonny2mad
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What I cant understand is why this sam guy from answering islam gave you a apology in the first place
I also cant see what he could have said that would insult mohammed that muslims havnt said already
the having sex with children thing christians didnt accuse islam of, aisha did
so if I repeat that am I insulting islam or mohammed?
as a non-muslim I find this pretty confusing
pretty much everything on this site that muslims think is insulting islam early muslims said in the first place so how does this site insult islam? |
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mughal200
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I have posted the links already wherein I have discussed cosmology and human origin in great detail which prove the quran is nothing more than a jumble of disorganised finction by some soothsayer to trick the unsuspecting simple minded people.
Nadir is out of his depth here because I and many others here are exmuslims including ali so we know islam inside out as regard things that really matter. It is because we know real islam the way the prophet allegedly taught it that we did not see any divinity in there.
So nadir may or may not have been victorious elsewhere but his attitude certianly shows the zeal of a true muslim. He is out to vanquish the the infidels but apostates of islam are hard if not impossible to beat. It is precisely the reason such people should be killed according to islam because they cannot be beaten by logic.
The very verse 4/82 is a problem in itself which muslims love to quote just like the verses that tell us none is able to produce the like of the quran as if muslims have been able to produce the like of the bible or avesta or gita etc etc.
The treatment of women in islam is another subject I have discussed in detail besides the concept of jihad and slavery in islam.
There is nothing in the quran to prove it divine but plenty to disprove it as such.
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jonny2mad
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personally I would prefer someone fitting your discription of this sam guy to someone who went out killing people and raping and having sex with a little child
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| Nader start debating allready you have yet to write something to prove your contention |
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