Leaving Islam



    Shabir Bhatti [email protected]

    date Tue, Apr 22, 2008
    subject Invitatation to mubahila

    This is an invitation to Ali Sina to a mubahila in order for God to decide who is wrong and who is right.

    Ali Sina,
    I have read all the rubbish you have written on your website.
    I do not even see it right to argue with someone like you so i have a diffrent way
    to solve this.
    I am extending to you an invitation to a mubahila, I will pray to my God with my beliefs and
    you pray to whomever you believe and and the first one to die in 90 days was wrong.

    If you think you are right and are willing to accept my offer contact me with an acceptance.
    We will wait for 90 days after your acceptance and see who was wrong.

    If you do not accept this then i advice you remove ur website.

    I am forwarding this website to as many people as i can with refrence to your website so that there are witnesses.
    I advice you to do the same.

    Waiting for your reply.

    Shabir Bhatti ([email protected])

And how do we know who won at the end of 90 days?


Ali Sina

    The person who is wrong will not live to see the 91st day. If i am wrong i will die before the end of the third month
    and if you are wrong you will.
    Do you accept?

Mr. Shabir Bhatti:

I accept that you pray so I die within 90 days. I will however not pray for your death but rather your enlightenment and awakening. I harbor no ill faith towards anyone. I consider Muslims as primary victims of a lie and my goal is to help them see the truth, leave their cult, prosper and live happily ever after. Praying for people's death is against my values. I do not consider that as an ethical thing to do. Actually I think it is stupid. Mind you, there are many people that I wish die soon and go to hell, such as Osama Bin Laden, the despots in Iran, etc. However, I do not sit there prying for their death. That would be waste of my time.

Nonetheless, you seem to think that by invoking evil on me, I will die. Now, the fact is that anyone can die at anytime and no one can be certain to live the next day. So there is always a chance that either one of us die in these coming 90 days. This should be attributed to chance and not to the effect of cursing. Therefore, assuming I die within 90 days, it is no proof that I died because you cursed me. However, what if I do not die? It proves that your cursing has had no effect and that your Allah is helpless. What will you do if you see me still kicking after the lapse of 90 days? Will you then accept the fact that Islam is a lie? Allegedly Allah in the Qurían establishes mubahila as a legitimate method of finding the truth.

    3.61: If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge Hath come to thee, say: "Come! let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!"

Since I do not believe in this nonsense and I do not wish you harm, I am not going to pray for your demise, but I welcome your curses . You are also authorized to call upon all the Muslims you can find, and those who read this (I am going to publish this exchange) to join you in cursing me and invoking evil on me so I may die within 90 days. I suggest you write to all the Islamic sites and ask them to advertise this unilateral mubahila. Go to Muslims' comments page in faithfreedom.org site and write to all the Muslims who wished me dead to join you in this mighty enterprise. If millions of Muslims join, your cursing may have more strength.

However, if after this time I am still alive, will you start questioning the truth of the Quran and the claim of Muhammad? Will this be enough for you to see that Muhammad was a liar?

While Jesus asked for forgiveness for those who crucified him, Muhammad had so much hate in his heart for those who rejected him that he often cursed them.

Here are a few examples:

    Volume 5, Book 59, Number 397:

    Narrated Salim's father:

    That he heard Allah's Apostle, when raising his head from bowing of the first Rak'a of the morning prayer, saying, "O Allah! Curse so-and-so and so-and-so" after he had said, "Allah hears him who sends his praises to Him. Our Lord, all the Praises are for you!" So Allah revealed:-- "Not for you (O Muhammad! )......(till the end of Verse) they are indeed wrong-doers." (3.128) Salim bin 'Abdullah said' "Allah's Apostle used to invoke evil upon Safwan bin Umaiya, Suhail bin 'Amr and Al-Harith bin Hisham. So the Verse was revealed:-- "Not for you (O Muhammad!)......(till the end of Verse) For they are indeed wrong-doers." (3.128)

The verse 3:128 says, it is up to Allah to decide whether he would punish people or not. That cunning psychopath was a master manipulator. He knew his curses will have no effect and his imaginary Allah is only a figment of his imagination. He put these words in the mouth of his god so his followers don't come to see that he is just a liar with no powers. Unlike you who seem to actually believe in this nonsense to the extent that you put your reputation or faith on line and promise to leave Islam if your cursing do not come true, Muhammad was aware that he was lying. He left for himself a scape rout.

This is another version of the same hadith:

    Volume 6, Book 60, Number 83:

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Whenever Allah's Apostle intended to invoke evil upon somebody or invoke good upon somebody, he used to invoke (Allah after bowing (in the prayer). Sometimes after saying, "Allah hears him who sends his praises to Him, all praise is for You, O our Lord," he would say, "O Allah. Save Al-Walid bin Al-Walid and Salama bin Hisham, and 'Aiyash bin Abu Rabi'a. O Allah! Inflict Your Severe Torture on Mudar (tribe) and strike them with (famine) years like the years of Joseph." The Prophet used to say in a loud voice, and he also used to say in some of his Fajr prayers, "O Allah! Curse so-and-so and so-and-so." naming some of the Arab tribes till Allah revealed:--"Not for you (O Muhammad) (but for Allah) is the decision." (3.128)

These are the teachings of that evil soul:

    Book 009, Number 3562:

    Ibn 'Umar (Allah be pleased with them) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) asked a person from the Anger and his wife to invoke curse (upon one another in order to testify to their truthfulness), and then effected separation between them.

Is invoking curse upon one another the right way to find the truth? What about fact findig, investigation, dialogue, reason and logic? Muhammad and his followers want nothing to do with these. They have no understanding of these terms. All they can do is curse and if that does not work, engage in terrorism. What a pathetic religion! How can you not be ashamed of this satanic belief?

Ali Sina

    Do you believe in the supreme God, the God of the heavens and the earth, the God who created all things?

Mr. Bhatti:

Whether I believe in God or not does not change the fact that Islam is a lie. Let us say that I believe in God. What Islam has to do with God? This is like the followers of David Koresh, the mad man who started a religion and caused the death of tens of his followers say if you believe in God you should believe in David Koresh. I see no connection between God and Muhammad. Muhammad was a charlatan liar. This pervert man had no understanding of God. He used God to fool people. This argument often used by Muslims is a non sequitur.

    This is not about me praying for you to die or you praying for me to die, this is about both of us praying to God to decide who is wrong and who is right.

God already knows which one of us is wrong. Why would he need that we curse each other and invoke his wrath on one another to decide which one is wrong? Isnít that silly? Only an idiot man like Muhammad could come up with such asininity. You and I live in this age of enlightenment. We should not let a lunatic ignoramus fool us with his lies. If the idea is for God to make people see the truth, then all he has to do is open the eyes of those who are misguided.

    Beacause if I am right, then you have comitted a grave sin and if you are right then I will happily accept the punishment of God Almighty for being ignorant.

Sin is in terrorizing, causing harm and doing evil. Ignorance is not sin. People believe in all sorts of things with sincerity. They are so sure of their beliefs that they are willing to sacrifice their lives for what they believe. However, not all beliefs are true. Believing in lies is not sin, it is ignorance. I believed in Islam, when I learned the truth, I stopped believing. This does not mean I was a sinner because I believed in a lie. I was only ignorant of the truth. Now let us say I came to a wrong conclusion and Islam is true. I have committed no sin. I came to this conclusion based on the evidences that I have found. I am challenging anyone to prove me wrong and I will change my mind again if someone shows that I am mistaken. God wants us to use our brains so we are not misled. I used mine and found out that Muhammad is not leading me to God but to evil. I stopped believing in him. Do you think I made a mistake? Why donít you show me my error? Why do you instead want to invoke the curse of God on me so I die? This makes no sense. I know it does not make sense to you either, but you rehash this nonsense because you think Muhammad was a real messenger of God and believe in every absurdity that that crazy man believed.

I assure you that God will not punish ignorant people. If there is punishment, it is only for evil-doers such as Muhammad and those of his followers who harm other people. He was the one who raided, looted, raped and assassinated innocent people, not me. He was the one who fooled people with his lies and made them kill one another while promising them orgies in paradise, not me. He was the one who made people slaves, both physically and mentally and threatened them against using their brains, not me. If I am mistaken, I am only an ignorant person and no real God will punish ignorant people, especially when I am asking Muslims to come forth and show me my errors. But Muhammad cannot get off the hook so easily. He committed too many crimes and if there is a hell, you can rest assured that he is the one burning.

    If you do not believe in the one God then its a different matter. In that case call for the help of whatever you believe in.

Mr. Bhatti God has already given his help to us. He has given to everyone brains and the faculty to think. This is all we need to find the truth. There is no need for us to invoke evil on each other and pray for one anotherís death to see who is right, when all we have to do is use our brains. How do you find your sustenance? Do you sit there all day praying for food? If you do that you will die of hunger. You go out and earn your living through work. You use your talent and your hands to earn your bread. Food does not fall on your lap from the sky. You must earn it. You should do the same when you want to find the truth. Read, ponder and use your brain. Itís that simple. Alas, so many people cannot use their brains when it comes to important things such as truth and rather believe blindly in a charlatan.

    This is not the first time the mubahila has been used and its authencity is recorded in history.
    In the case that you are still alive after the given period, i promise i will (Allah forgive me) denounce Islam and join you.

Okay. If it takes this for you to see that Islam is a lie, I accept your challenge. How about starting today? Remember that people die, whether right or wrong. So if I die in these 90 days it is not the definite proof that Islam is true. But if I donít die, it is definite proof that Islam is a lie and Muhammad was just a crazy man with no understanding of God.

    What i need from you is a clear acceptance, In the words I (your name) accept this mubahila or a clear rejection.
    If you reject it, then you have to take down your website and tell all those you have infected that you are wrong.

I have already accepted. So let us establish the date of the publication of this debate as the start of this unilateral muhahila. Since I am not praying for your death, I expect you to write after 90 days and declare your apostasy. If you donít write, people will think that you are dead and that all those cursing has backfired. That God finally got tired of you and took your life to show you the truth in the other word. So if you are still alive, you must write and declare your apostasy. This is your own term. After all why would you want to believe in a religion that according to your own parameter is false?

    I do not want to get into a debate about authencity of things. You extended a challenge and you except people to accept it. So here i am extending you a challenge, if you believe you are right why not just accept it.

    Waiting for your acceptance or rejection.

    Shabir Bhatti

I agree with your challenge. I am also going to publish your email address so those who want to join you in your effort can contact you. I also urge you to contact any Islamic organization and mosque and give me their names so I can publish them. I want a lot of Muslims join this cursing business. If you are an angry Muslim and believe in the nonsense of muhahila, please join the party. Haply at the end, those who took part in this silly enterprise will see the stupidity of it and will start questioning Islam.


Mr. Shabir Bhatti sent this email:

    I have read the article, and i am very happy you did so. Now the matter is in Allah's hands.

    Shabir Bhatti

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