Ali Sina's response to Mr.
Abu Saleh of
Islam Australia Network
The following is an exchange of emails between
, a reader of FFI and Abu Saleh of Islam Australia Network.
Arda kindly forwarded them to me and I publish it
here along with my comments so we can have better understood of the Muslim
Sent: Saturday, 6 May 2006 2:24 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: About FFI
Would be able to tell me that all the sources
quoted by Mr Sina and his co-authors from the Quran and Hadith are
wrong? That is your job to prove that they are wrong. And I would
recommend you to have debate with Mr Ali Sina.
If the sources quoted by them are true, then
the very faith of Islam must be put into question.
"Islam Australia Network" <[email protected]>
RE: About FFI
Sat, 6 May 2006 15:52:31 +0800
All proof is from Allah,
It is not our job to prove or compel. There is
no compulsion in Islam. We just state the facts and pass on Allah's
message. It is up to Allah to choose who he wants to be a Muslim or
Also be aware that there are many unauthentic
Hadith. Read the Quran and Authentic Hadith for yourself. But be careful,
because through the Quran Allah Guides and Misguides. If you want to
find "mistakes" in the Quran then you will find them and
it is in this way that Allah misguides the disobedient people. If
you want to find the truth in the Quran, then you will find it. It
all depends on your intention.
Please tell me which sources of the Quran or
Hadith you are referring to.
This is a typical response of a Muslim. Note how
many logical fallacies this short email contains.
Mr. Abu Saleh says:
Dictionary.com defines proof as "The evidence or argument that
compels the mind to accept an assertion as true."
Do we have any such evidence about Islam? I am offering $50,000 dollars
and the promise of removing this site and issuing a public apology if
anyone can give me that proof.
If Allah did not share his proofs with humans, then it is not our
faults not to accept his message. If the proof is given then we need to
| It is not our job to prove or compel. There is
no compulsion in Islam.
The first part of this statement is absurd and the
second part is false.
If it is not the job of the Muslims to prove that
Islam is indeed a true religion, whose job is it then? Didnít Muhammad
claim that he has come with "clear proof" in which "three
is no doubt"? Where is that proof?
If Allah has given any proof, then it is the responsibility of the Muslims
to share it with others.
Why should anyone believe in something without proof?
Why one should believe in Muhammad and not in thousands of other
pretenders who also have no proof for their claims?
The truth is that there is no proof. Primitive people
believed in mythologies but they had no proof.
and Zeus were some of
the Greek gods. People believed in them and took their existence for
granted. "Everyone else believes in them, so why shouldn't I"?,
they argued. There was no questioning about their existence. The believers
did not ask for proof. They simply chose to believe.
Muslims believe in Allah in the same way primitive
people believed in their gods. They ask no question and do not doubt. Just
like those primitive people they have no proof for the existence of Allah.
Here we are not arguing about the existence of God.
That is another matter that I see no reason to argue about. I respect this
belief and those who wish to have faith in God. People may understand God
according to their own intellectual capacity. I personally do not dismiss
the existence of God, although I think God is the principle underlying the
creation and not a being that thinks and acts like we humans do. I believe
in the same God that Espinosa and Einstein believed.
My beef is with Allah not with God. God does not
demand anyone to believe and does not order killing those who donít.
Allah on the other hand is truculent, intransigent and orders those who
donít believe to be put to death or reduced into submission. So it is
our right to ask for proof of his existence?
If you want to kill me to accept this god at lease show me that it
is the real God and not Satan, or I will have to kill you before you kill
me. It's my right to ask for the proof and it is my right to defend myself
even if it means killing you.
In the second part of his sentence Mr. Abu Saleh says:
|there is no compulsion in IslamĒ.
This is a blatant lie. There is compulsion in Islam.
When Muhammad was in
and weak, he said there is no compulsion in religion but he lied. When he
came to power in
he compelled people to convert to Islam, wage war for him and pay the tithes, or die.
Muhammad used the same policy that Hitler used. Take
a look at Hitlerís statements between 1933-1939:
May 17, 1933:
"The German Government wish to settle all difficult questions with
other Governments by peaceful methods . . .
will tread no other path than that laid down by the Treaties . . . The
German people have no thought of invading any country."
Nov 10, 1933: "I am not crazy enough
to want a war."
Aug 17, 1934: "The German Government,
like the German people, are filled with the unconditional wish to make the
greatest possible contribution to the preservation of peace in this
May 21, 1935: "
neither intends nor wishes to interfere in the internal affairs of
, to annex
, or to conclude an Anschluss [political union]"
Mar 15, 1936: "The German people do
not wish to continue waging war to readjust frontiers. Each readjustment
is bought by sacrifices out of proportion to what is to be gained."
Sep 26, 1938: "We have assured all
our immediate neighbors of the integrity of their territory as far as
is concerned. That is no hollow phrase: it is our sacred will . . . The
Sudetenland is the last territorial claim which I have to make in
Jan 1, 1939: "In general we have but
one wish-- that in the coming years we may be able to make our
contribution to this general pacification of the whole world."
Jan 30, 1939: "Only the war-mongers
think there will be a war. I think there will be a long period of
Apr 1, 1939: "(We) do not dream of
attacking other nations, providing they leave us alone . . ."
[Ref.: R.E. Murphy et al., National
Socialism (U.S.Gov. Ptg. Office, 1943), pp. 232- 43
Do these statements prove that Hitler was a man of peace? Of course
not! They prove that he was a liar.
The same is true about Muhammad. When he said there is no compulsion in
religion and then he went on to force people into Islam, launching no less
than 74 raids according to Ibn Sa'd, the secretary of Waqidi, in just ten
years, all it shows is that he was a big liar.
When he came to power, he said:
If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted
And fight them on until there is no more fitnah (dissention) and
there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere.
Of course "justice" in his view was submission of everyone to
him. This is how the mind of the narcissist works.
So as one can clearly see, Muhammad lied when he said there is no
compulsion in religion.