Will Muslims Be The Cause Of The Armageddon?
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Taking lessons from our past mistakes, we must catch the Islamic demon by its horns and have it buried forever. Failure to do so may turn out to be the cause of the Armageddon, a possibility that we must avoid by any means to ensure our safety as well as the safety and well being of our future generations...
The history of our world is replete with stories of aggression, war, death and occupation by one mighty country or power of another weak country or nation. The conquerors of the yore committed all the horrible atrocities either to increase their wealth or to enlarge their empires. All of them were Pagans, Zoroastrians or Christians. The Jews of Canaan and the Pagans of the Arabian Peninsula are, conversely, not known to have invaded other peoples' territories either to acquire wealth or to expand their lands; rather, they survived with whatever they possessed or whatever resources they were able to generate with their own ability, and within their boundaries.
Among all the conquerors of the yore, the Christians were more considerate towards their subjects than the Pagans and the Zoroastrians. We can draw this inference from Sura Rum, or The Roman Empire of the Quran.
This Sura refers to the conflict that had taken place between the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius and the Persian King Khusrau Parwiz (Chosroes 11) in 614-15 A.D. The loss of Jerusalem by the Byzantines to the Zoroastrians made the Meccan Pagans very happy, as they were pro-Persians. Finding the handful of neo-Muslims of Mecca distressed by the defeat of the Emperor Heraclius, Allah consoled them through the following verses of the Quran:
The Rome Empire has been defeated – in a land close by; but they, (even) after (this) defeat of theirs will soon be victorious -within a few years, with Allah is the Decision, in the Past and in the Future: On that Day shall the Believers rejoice – (Quran; 30:1-4).
Allah promised the Muslims that the Roman Empire, under the Emperor Heraclius who, I assume, was a Christian, would triumph over the Persians in a few years' time, thus giving them an opportunity to rejoice his victory over the Fire Worshippers. Allah kept His promise and helped Heraclius defeat the Persians at the battle of Issus in 622 A.D.
Allah's promise to help the Romans against the Persians arose, presumably, on account of two reasons: (1) They were Ahl-al Kitab (People of the Book) and (2), they were kind and generous to their subjects. Had the Romans lacked in these two qualifications, I do not believe Allah would have helped them against the Persians, nor would He have asked the Muslims to celebrate the Romans' victory over their Persian enemy.
But what had made the Muslims, under the leadership of their pious and Allah-fearing Caliphs, all of whom had inherited the mantle of the Prophet Muhammad, to conquer the lands of the non-Muslims? Did they conquer them for spreading Islam, or was it for a different reason? Let us spend a little time, and space, trying to find out the fact.
Ibn Ishaq, one of the biographers of Muhammad, named approximately 70 Muslims who migrated, between 621-22, to Medina after being instructed by him for the same. Most of the immigrants were men and they were not skilled in anything other than serving the pilgrims, who came to Mecca, and in domestic duties of their masters. Consequently, when they reached Medina, they found themselves in great financial hardships, as none of the Medinese employers found them suitable for employment. Muhammad solved his and their problem by making them beg in their newly adopted city.
The life of the Muslim immigrants from Mecca changed after they were able to defeat the Meccan Pagans at the battlefield of Badr. Their success gave them, and their leader Muhammad, the confidence that if they continued to plunder their enemies, who consisted of the Meccan Pagans and the Medinese Jews, it would not only provide them with their sustenance, it would prove instrumental in bring them prosperity as well.
Having seen the benefits that Muhammad's expeditions against, and the plunders of the Jews had brought them during his lifetime, his successors, following his footsteps, continued to plunder other nations by embarking upon expeditions against them. Immediately after becoming the first Caliph of Islam, Abu Bakr launched his expeditions against Syria, Bahrain, Oman, Yemen and Iraq etcetera. These expeditions were not intended to convert the people of those countries to Islam, but to plunder whatever wealth they had at their disposal.
These plunders not only changed the lives of the common Bedouin soldiers of the Arab land, these also turned their leaders into some of the most outrageously voluptuous and extravagant humans on earth. Along with using their military power, the Muslim leaders also used their religious authority, as it is envisioned in the Quran, against the non-Muslims of their domains to extract from them as much tax as it was possible. This they did not to improve the economic conditions of the Muslims at large, but to enhance the degree of their own comfort and pleasure.
Those of the non-Muslims who could not afford to pay the extra tax converted to Islam to save their lives. Others became Muslims because that was the best way to assimilate themselves into the new order of life, which Muslims invaders had imposed on them and their countries.
But even after ruling almost one-third of the world for almost 1100 years, Muslims failed to develop a viable and practical economic system of their own; this being the result of their not only damn-the-people attitude but also because of the reason that, until recently, most of the Muslim leaders, including the caliphs of the past, had been almost or fully illiterate. They did not know how the economic policy of a country, let alone an empire, should be formulated and steered. The net effect of their failure to devise economic policies for their empire is visible even today: most of the Muslims remain abysmally poor, a condition that has forced many of them to migrate to non-Muslim countries where they expected to earn a living for them and their dependents.
Though by migrating to foreign lands, many Muslims have been able to overcome their lingering financial difficulties, but their presence in the mostly Christian-dominated lands has created immense problem for their hosts as well as for their civic laws and social discipline and cohesion. Some of the reasons that have been working behind this problem are as follows:
Muslims are forbidden by their Holy Book from living among, and mingling with, the Jews and Christians, lest they themselves become followers of their faiths. This scriptural instruction as well as the teaching of the Muslim preachers has succeeded in the past to keep the immigrant Muslims isolated from their non-Muslim hosts; they are going to keep them at a distance from the followers of other faiths in future as well.
Muslims' isolationist attitude towards the people of other faiths, particularly towards those of the faiths of Hinduism, Judaism and Christianity, has always prevented them from integrating themselves with them and their cultures. This has happened in the past; it is happening even now and it is expected to happen in future as well.
Muslims' failure to integrate themselves with the people and the cultures of other faiths they themselves have willingly and voluntarily chosen to live with due, mostly, to their own economic compulsions, kept them in the past, and is still keeping them, tied to the lowest step of social and economic ladder of the countries they and their children and grand children, born in them, have been living in for a number of decades.
Muslims' unwillingness to integrate themselves with the people of the countries they have become residents or citizens of, and the consequential economic deprivations they have been inflicting upon themselves thereby, has always remained a source of discontentment among them. For their conditions - social and economic- Muslims are never known to have blamed themselves; rather, they have always held their adoptive countries responsible for their plight. This they have been doing with a sinister and ulterior motive.
Muslims are not supposed to live under an un-Islamic government, nor are they permitted by their religious scripture to recognize the territorial independence of non-Muslim countries, as, according to their religious doctrines, the entire earth belongs to Allah and the Muslims are its true and legitimate inheritors. Imbibed by this teaching of their faith, Muslims have often used their self-created economic conditions either to break their adoptive countries into pieces or to keep their governments in disarray and turmoil by organizing destructive movements against them. A few examples are given hereunder to substantiate this point.
(A). There are about 20 million Muslims living in China today. Although all of them are native-born, yet they find themselves at odds with their Buddhist, Christian and Atheist fellow-beings. The question is why?
The reason lies in the Islamic doctrines and dogmas. These prohibit the Muslims from patronizing or following the social customs of the non-Muslims, whom Muslims must eliminate in order to cleanse the earth of all evils the non-Muslims allegedly create on it, even if they are their parents, siblings, wife and children.
Since the Chinese Muslims have been having difficulties in carrying out their religious obligations freely while living in the midst of the Buddhists, Christians, Atheists and others, they campaigned for and succeeded in converting Xinjiang Uygur, where they are in majority, into an Autonomous Region for them. Here they live and govern themselves according to the dictums of their faith; secular laws followed by the rest of the Chinese populace having become, for the Muslims, a relic of the past.
The Chinese government cannot ask the Muslims of the Autonomous Region to obey its secular laws, for, doing that would mean handing them a ground, which they, in all probability, are likely to use for setting up a Muslim state of their own on the land they live on now, thus creating a serious security problem for the rest of the Chinese territory. Muslims have divided India; they would keep on trying to divide world's other non-Muslim countries as well, until they are able to turn all the earth's Dar-ul Harb, the non-Islamic states, into Dar-ul Islam.
(B). The Philippines is nation of 88 million people. Over 80 percent of them are Roman Catholics and only about 5 percent are Muslims. Most Muslims live in the region known as Mindanao. Muslims want Mindanao to secede and become an Islamic State.
The Philippine Muslims want to turn Mindanao into a Muslim State because of one primary reason: They have been finding it difficult to follow their Islamic laws and traditions while living with the Catholic Christians; this despite the fact that all the Muslims are native-born. The fact that they were born in the Philippines is not an important factor as Islamism is to them, for their religion encourages them to shun the non-Muslims and to live in a state of their own, hence the Philippine Muslims' attempt at dividing their place of birth into two states, one of which should belong to them and the other to the enemies of Islam.
What has been happening in France at the time of writing this article is a clue to what we may call the Muslims' plan, designed to test whether or not the French infidels are prepared to resist them before embarking upon massive and forceful movements to de-stabilize their government and then to force it into granting them autonomy in the region they have been living for generations. Most of them are Muslims and they came to France from North Africa to earn a living and to build a future, but on their own terms. Dictated by their religious indoctrinations, they not only refused to integrate themselves with the culture and traditions of their adoptive country, they even encouraged their progeny to keep themselves aloof from the rest of the French society. This they did to maintain their Islamic identity as well as to keep themselves insulated from the influence of a culture and tradition that they always believe can be practiced only by the enemies of their Allah (God).
France's social welfare system has also helped its Muslim population with what they have reduced themselves to. France grants financial support to its citizens, whether they are living in it legally or illegally, from their birth to death. Instead of using this generous welfare system of the country for their economic and social advancements, they used it to keep themselves within the fold of their Islamic beliefs and practices. Since the financial support given to them by the government was enough for them to carry on with their Islamic lifestyle, they never tried to prepare themselves, and their offspring, to take on the challenges and the arduous responsibilities without facing which, no nation or society on earth is known to have ever achieved prosperity and happiness.
Finding themselves unfit for the French society, Muslim immigrants cordoned themselves off from the rest of the country. Their enclaves became almost autonomous; herein they live according to what they believed is in their best Islamic interest. It is said that in some of these enclaves, "it is possible for an immigrant or his descendants to spend a whole life without ever encountering the need to speak French, let alone familiarize himself with any aspect of the famous French culture" (Amir Taheri; a French author of Iranian descend).
The recent death of a Muslim youth in one of the Muslim enclaves gave the Muslims of France an opportunity to test the French government's will to defend its territorial integrity. The success of their present intifida (rebellion) aimed at establishing Islamic rule in France would give them the impetus and courage to accelerate their movement not only in France, it would encourage other Muslims, living in other non-Muslim countries of the world, to launch their movements there as well.
Most of the French leaders have failed to grasp the Muslims' intention, except its Home Minister. Terming, albeit belatedly, the immigrants (read Muslim immigrants) as rabble and scum, he has decided to expel those of them who would be found guilty of inciting the present rebellion against his government. This is a wise decision which, if implemented, would help France not only to preserve its territorial integrity, it would also teach an important lesson to other non-Muslim countries of the world in avoiding destructions that are likely to befall them should they continue to permit their Muslim populations to destabilize their nations with their rebellious and secessionist movements.
In the timely action against the Muslims lies the safety and the wellbeing of the world. Efforts to appease them in the past have not only failed, these also emboldened them manifold. Taking lessons from our past mistakes, we must catch the Islamic demon by its horns and have it buried forever. Failure to do so may turn out to be the cause of the Armageddon, a possibility that we must avoid by any means to ensure our safety as well as the safety and well being of our future generations
Mohammed Asghar: Hmmm, in the
Mohammed Asghar:
Hmmm, in the Uk there are a very large number of Muslim Doctors, Dentists and lawyers.
Whilst many Muslims do not integrate, many also (quite rightly) take advantage of the Education system to advance themselves to highly paid jobs.
UK statistics will tell you that the Muslims are still at/near the bottom of the economic league - but this is (in part at least) due o the habit that UK Moslems (of Pakistani/Bangladeshi descent in particular) have of 'bringing in' family members from those countries who do not speak English - usually female. This, of course, makes them non-productive members of society, so depressing the Muslim community's overall achievements.
Thus I'm not sure that it is, in the case of the UK, isolationsism per se that is the cause of the Muslim community's (relative) poverty.
that said - a thought proovoking argument!
I find that this articles is
I find that this articles is very interesting and I hope that if in anyway you (Mohammad Asghar) want to continue the subject in part two please don't forget to include country like Thailand. The conflict in southern Thailand is also very interesting to analyse.
I find that this article is
I find that this article is very interesting indeed. I hope that if in anyway you (Mohammad Asghar) wanted to continue on this topic, I would like you to include country like Thailand. Looking at the conflict in southern Thailand, this will bring's major confrontation with neighbouring country like malaysia.
This proves Europe is in a
This proves Europe is in a dire situation and needs to do something about their Muslim populace soon, very soon.
Moslems are followers of
Moslems are followers of satan allah and satan will bring the world to an end.Look at the pure moslem scum bags in afghanisthan and what has been done to the land .The same fate awats the rest of the world from the satanic followers moslems
After they turn this world
After they turn this world into Dar-ul Islam, whats next? start fighting within their own sects with the nuke until it cracks the earth to its core?, yes i think muslim will be the cause of armageddon.
its all in "the book", in genesis as beginning,it has been predicted long before, that this nation of wild donkeys will against everyone and everyone's hand against them and will live hostility towards his brother (sectarian fighting), and towards end, the revelation predicts the big nations will join together as in EU, where population will soon (few hundred years) be replaced by donkeys that will fight another donkeys over pellets drop by the goat that ate quran, LOL, ISLAM IS A CURSE!,
its funny, i think not many christian or ex-christian in the world ever read the bible fully, we not only told to be nice with others, but also to watch for this false prophet, obviously most people failed.
number one law is, love your god with all your brain, if we acknowledge allah who acts as mohamed's pimp as the same god who creates us, than i think we have broke number one law
Ladies and ladies, Why are
Ladies and ladies,
Why are you scare-mongering?
In your article, why have you not stated that separation and segregation is a human thing and not necessarily religious. "Birds of a feather, flock together." There is nothing sinister about this unless you "actually" break the law or a moral code by discrimination (but then again you have you own version of the law and your very own moral code." quite convenient.
Please add the following information to part two of your article:
(1) East Timorese wanting a state of their own from the MUSLIM Indonesia (they got it aswell)
(2) Sikhs (Khalistan Commondo Force) wanting their own state in Punjab from Hindu India
(3) The Catholics and the Protestants in Northern Ireland wanting their own version of Northern Ireland based on Religion
(4) Taiwan wanting total independence and non-affiliation with the Chinese
(5) Argentina wanting the Falkland islands from the UK
(6) Spain wanting Gibraltar from the UK
It's not a Muslim thing it's an identity, self determination, conflict of ideals thing. Don't give up the research.
Yours truly
kabirlaw ***There is nothing
kabirlaw
***There is nothing sinister about this unless you “actually” break the law or a moral code by discrimination (but then again you have you own version of the law and your very own moral code.” quite convenient***
there is something sinister about this, as its prescribed in the quran by all means even violence to make religion for allah aka satan alone, and how convenient that is when you have your own version of law and moral code, non believer raping your daughter not ok, you raping some non believer ok?, how convenient?
i think your list of information not relevant as those country wanting seperation only for identity, self determination, conflict of ideals thing, but non of them follow their so called holy book, chinese and taiwan i believe pray for same god, catholic and protestant sitting for join government, can you imagine suni and shite sitting together without bomb blown up every so often, the MUSLIM indonesia colonised timor from portugal in the first place
Very interesting article. I
Very interesting article.
I like us to look global. We have approx. 200 countries on Earth. Muslims regard the world as divided in Dar-ul-Islam and Dar-ul-Harb, we hear. An unknown big part of Muslims strive for an ever bigger Dar-ul-Islam at the cost of Dar-ul-Harb (part of which we can view as Dar-ul-Democracy).
And besides the Islamic Faith we have, say, 6 other categories of faith; Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Atheism-Darwinism-Freethinking, a great variety of miscellaneous beliefs (including belief in extra-terrestrial origines). Now, by and large, these other 6 categories are content to coexist peacefully in a Democratic way, at least in a lot of countries. But we are afraid that Islam wants to dominate and take over parts of the Democratic world. And we observe that in many countries where Islam is in the majority and power (so reality-proof instead of only protestations of innocence) Muslims actually oppress and discriminate against the believers of other faiths.
For this FFI holds Muslims everywhere accountable. Not necessarily because they are guilty of oppression, discrimination or dominating ambitions, terrorist actions, but because they do not side in great numbers with the oppressed, the democratic forces that are opposed to that part of the Muslims who practice or want to practice domination.
As far as I am concerned it is not sure whether Islam is worse than all other faiths, but it is sure that it's not better than any other faith, and that it should have no more rights than any other faith. All faiths eventually should coexist under a fair democratic system, if possible in vast majority of countries, over the vast majority of humans.
The paradox now is that the democratic nations have caused seemingly better societies than the tyrannical Islamic countries. So the democratic nations attract people from the tyrannical countries, not vice versa. Now the threat is that the Islamic immigrants drag down the democratic nations into tyranny, like their countries of origine. And the baffling paradox is also that those who seemingly do worse, get the most children. So one part of mankind seems successful in creating better societies and another part in proliferating itself much faster. Bewildering! I mean, if Islam were the best system mankind now has, why do the Islamic countries not attract, but abhor people?
The answer to this we hope to be that either Muslims exchange Islam for one of the other beliefs in great numbers or that they in great numbers, in democratic nations, then in Islamic tyrannical nations, agree to coexist peacefully under democratic rules. Especially more and more too in now still Islamic tyrannical nations. And that they can envision that Dar-ul-Democracy can include Dar-ul-Islam so to speak.
It is the duty to all muslim
It is the duty to all muslim to make this whole world into sharia world. No need to hide or lie about it, muslim.
To kebirilewd, where are my answers??????????????????????????????????
"Bewildering! I mean, if
"Bewildering! I mean, if Islam were the best system mankind now has, why do the Islamic countries not attract, but abhor people?"
islam is one of the worst system of mankind. That's why there are so many muslim migrate to kafir's countries. Want an example? Just take a look to big mouth like kebirilewd. Taking advantage in kafir's nation but deep down in his islamic heart he curses the nation's law, truly hypocrite.
Kabirlaw: I am not competent
Kabirlaw:
I am not competent to answer all your six points, but:
1) East Timorese wanting a state of their own from the MUSLIM Indonesia (they got it aswell)
May I remind you that MUSLIM Indonesia actually invaded what is now "East Timor" in 1975, therefore the East Timorese by getting independance merely restored the status ante.
(3) The Catholics and the Protestants in Northern Ireland wanting their own version of Northern Ireland based on Religion
Not so: the Catholics wanted Northern Ireland to be part of Eire, the protestants wanted to remain part of UK. This is in any case a simplification of the problem whose roots are much older and deeper than indicated above.
(5) Argentina wanting the Falkland islands from the UK
Yes they did: this despite the fact that the Falkland Islanders are BRITISH and wished to REMAIN so. The Argentinian assault was therefore an invasion pure and simple, not a group of people
(6) Spain wanting Gibraltar from the UK.
In 1713 Spain ceded Gibraltar in perpetuity to Britain. However this issue is up to the Gibraltarians themselves. In fact the UK nearly ceded Gib. to Spain, but in the referendum 99% of Gibraltarians preferred to stay under British rule. If they change their minds another referendum will be held.
Now, of your six examples, three are attempts (both political and military) at 'land-grabs' , one (Northern Ireland) is complex but isn't about "both want(ing) their own version of NI".
Now, maybe you just picked some very bad examples, so perhaps you should, in your own words, "keep up the research", or even do some at all.
On the other hand, perhaps you do not see a difference between people of 'Group A' wanting to make a land-grab on the land of 'Group B' and the idea of living alongside other communities under a common set of laws etc.
Further: the logical consequence of your statement "separation and segregation is a human thing" is a 'Balkanisation' of the entire World.
The point of the article is quite valid: Islam is (as far as I know) the only religion that not only opposes integration but also states that its adherents should not live among unbelievers.
That this is practiced is seen in recent history: Consider the break-up of British India. In parts of China, Southern Thailand, parts of Malaysia (to mention 3 off the top of my head) we have separatist movements who are prosecuting their claims with violence.
You also said: "It’s not a Muslim thing it’s an identity, self determination, conflict of ideals thing."
You are partly right:
It is Islamic identity vs a personal identity.
It is Islamic self-determination - which means Sharia law - vs everybody's self-determination.
it is a conflict of ideals - Intolerant Islamic Theocracy vs democratic tolerance.
So yes, it is a Muslim thing, the Dar-ul-Islam vs the Dar-ul-Harb. And it is only Islam that divides the world so neatly into "them" and "us".
Demsci has put this more extensively than I, so I see no need to reiterate her points.
I dont know where you have
I dont know where you have had your historylessons, but so much of b....shit is seldom to read- The zoroastians were only in power during Kourosh the great ( the Persian empire) Your claim that the zoroastrians were in power just before muhammed is false. Its a historical lie, just according to muslim history falsifying. Israel was under the east roman empire all the time until the muslim thugs occupied it.
Mooo, That was my point, so
Mooo,
That was my point, so many Muslims migrate to either America-Canada-Australia or Europe (ACAE), out of Islamic countries. So that is a strong indication that these ACAE-countries are more successful, presumably because of the democratic, capitalistic system (anyway their current system). People vote for it with their feet all the time. And many more want to, we hear. Some even drown trying to reach these countries.
BUT prominent among those people that get overall the most children nowadays are the Muslims. What makes me so bewildered at times is the question: Is this not a sign of success for the Muslims? Are they not very successfull in replicating themselves? And with their current average attitude too!
I often ask myself: Will the democratic nations be eaten by the Muslims or will the Islamic countries be eaten by the Democrats? They are getting ever more intertwined. The latter possibility would in my opinion ensure more happiness to mankind than the first. If Muslims massively bought into Democracy then together with them we could pursue so many worthwhile goals, like giving all children the best youth imaginable, according to Human Rights of UN, and fight other common enemies, like Organized Crime.
PS. Demsci is short for a man who loves both Dem(ocracy) and Sci(ence) immensely, Jonc.
How we doing today
How we doing today crazies?
First and foremost:
To Poooo: Stop trying to make out that your questions have not been answered (again, before all the people observing these comments I ask you to read the debate Ali Sina Vs Nadir Ahmed (of Examine the Truth on Science and Islam). Ali Sina was molly wopped. I mean seriously molly wopped! That bad I actually felt sorry for Ali Sina, you know because he has a mighty big blag to keep up. Once you've read the debate and you still cannot answer those questions then keep your mouth shut instead of publicly embarrassing yourself.
About the Migration from Muslim country to Non-Muslim country:
I was born in the UK, I didn't migrate from anywhere. Hope that explains alot. Secondly, You say that no-one migrates from the West to Islamic countries. They Do. I personally know people who were born in the UK and have packed up their whole lives and have migrated to Saudi Arabia with their whole families and are happy there.
Moreover, Pooo, you say that why don't people get attracted to islamic countries instead of people abhoring Islamic countries. Very simple. firstly, there is no such perfect Islamic country that adheres to the high principles of Islamic justice that people can witness.
Furthermore, mankind is naturally more attracted to base desires of lust, sex, money, greed, fame, wealth, clubbing, booze, gambling. That explains the mass migration. On the other hand it is very difficult to control such desires to create a principled and morally impecable society. Catch my drift. The fact that people love living in western countries and would not like to live in a more religiously conservative country is explained by mankinds insatiable desire to have the biggest party on Earth!
To Jonc: (Is that a Swedish name?)
You say:
Now, of your six examples, three are attempts (both political and military) at ‘land-grabs’ , one (Northern Ireland) is complex but isn’t about “both want(ing) their own version of NI”.
Now, maybe you just picked some very bad examples, so perhaps you should, in your own words, “keep up the research”, or even do some at all.
I say: OK, Einstein, you tell me what the fuss is all about? Both sides are Irish, Why are they fighting? What differentiates them from each other? It IS religious identity, which can be simplified as generally thus "Catholics want to be part of a greater Ireland and Unionists (Loyalists) wanting affinity with the UK" My argument is this: There is no sign of Islam in this issue yet there is an issue. My point is: Shit happens, don't blame everything on Islam.
You then went on about my examples being naff, naff and more naff. I will try to deal with you in a simple way having noted your spinning of information tactics.
Gibraltar = Like the Nigerians saying that the Isle of Wight belongs to them, they house Nigerians there and then ask for a referendum, No prizes for guessing the result.
Falklands= Like the Chinese saying that the Shetland Isles belong to them, housing native China men there and going to their defense when the UK tries to get their land back.
East Timor= the point is that they wanted their own state and did not want to be part of the greater Indonesia. But it is so difficult a notion to grasp when it's not a Muslim that you have trash!
You then said:
You also said: “It’s not a Muslim thing it’s an identity, self determination, conflict of ideals thing.”
You are partly right:
It is Islamic identity vs a personal identity.
It is Islamic self-determination – which means Sharia law – vs everybody’s self-determination.
it is a conflict of ideals – Intolerant Islamic Theocracy vs democratic tolerance.
So yes, it is a Muslim thing, the Dar-ul-Islam vs the Dar-ul-Harb. And it is only Islam that divides the world so neatly into “them” and “us
Demsci has put this more extensively than I, so I see no need to reiterate her points
I say: Yes of course. When you want to make a serious point, wake me up.
To Marie: You said: This
To Marie:
You said:
This proves Europe is in a dire situation and needs to do something about their Muslim populace soon, very soon.
I say:
Hey Marie, that would include me as well. I'm devastated. I thought you loved me!
Kebir...kebir... Did you not
Kebir...kebir... Did you not see my response to you in previous article (about michael savage bla..bla..bla)?? Read that first before you acted like islamic thug. Nadir ahmed that you so proud about was running like rat
AND NOW DO AS I REQUESTED!!!!! BIG MOUTH!!!!
INVENT NEW SCIENTIFIC FACTS STRAIGHT FROM QURAN (NO OTHER SOURCES ALLOWED) AND ANNOUNCE IT ALL OVER THE WORLD.
And about ismael you haven't answered it.
Stop running big mouth and show me some balls, mr liar oooppss lawyer.
Kebirilewd boasted (with no
Kebirilewd boasted (with no basis and evidence at all as usual):
"Furthermore, mankind is naturally more attracted to base desires of lust, sex, money, greed, fame, wealth, clubbing, booze, gambling. That explains the mass migration. On the other hand it is very difficult to control such desires to create a principled and morally impecable society."
Hihihihihihihih, look at this hypocrite bastard. Why don't you get out of your kafir country and go to islamic (hell) countries. Show me some honesty you hypocrite asshole. And don't forget to answer my question, ok big mouth.
"Moreover, Pooo, you say that
"Moreover, Pooo, you say that why don’t people get attracted to islamic countries instead of people abhoring Islamic countries. Very simple. firstly, there is no such perfect Islamic country that adheres to the high principles of Islamic justice that people can witness."
Hihihihih, if you can't bring that evidence (reality) about perfect islamic society that means it's very simple really. There is none such a thing from the beginning. Islamic (hell) countries are the terrorists breeder, destroyer of human rights, dictators, barbaric law, slavery, child marriages, persecution of other faiths, isolator of woman, etc...etc...etc... Hmmmm, very "perfect" indeed.
Kebirilewd boasted (with no
Kebirilewd boasted (with no basis and evidence at all as usual):
“Furthermore, mankind is naturally more attracted to base desires of lust, sex, money, greed, fame, wealth, clubbing, booze, gambling. That explains the mass migration. On the other hand it is very difficult to control such desires to create a principled and morally impecable society.”
Hihihihihihihih, look at this hypocrite liar. Why don’t you get out of your kafir country and go to islamic (hell) countries. Show me some honesty you hypocrite. So according to this liar an advanced and civilized country is all about lust (islamic motivation for jihad), sex (islamic heaven), money (islamic funds for terrorism) , greed (islamic mission to conquer the world), fame (mo's dream), wealth (mo's shares), clubbing, booze (islamic heaven), gambling, etc. Wow, your brain is so much twisted and filled with islamic sh*t. And don’t forget to answer my question, ok big mouth.
Yes, there are 191-200
Yes, there are 191-200 countries in the world today and always and still now there are some minorities who want to break free and establish their own states. But the author of this article pointed towards the special motivation Muslims had for establishing their own states. Namely that there are already existing Muslim states, forming the Dar-ul-Islam, and that the rest of the world is Dar-ul-Harb and it should be conquered until all the world is Dar-ul-Islam.
Ever since the Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution and with the application of the 5 pillars of democracy; 1. Autonomy of the individual (so also of women), 2. constitutional state (giving courts independent powers from rulers), 3. regular fair elections, in nation and municipalities, 4. freedom of speech (including freedom of harsh criticism, in public places) and 5. separation of mosque and state (meaning freedom of religion, so no state-interference + equality for all religions + ways of life, so no extra power for one of them).
And we believe these principles have created the best organized states. In them the principle is that the government exists only for service to the people. Not this arrogant, egoistic rule of the few over the many, as we have seen in most of human history and still in most Islamic countries. In the democratic countries somehow the best economies emerged, from the 18th century onwards (at least) the vast majority of major, beneficial inventions came from these countries and not from any Islamic country (or China) and the Muslims have profited enormously.
The poverty-figures about America-Canada-Europe-Australia were # 87,5 % of the people either rich or reasonably well off and only 12,5 % of the people poor. And this despite constant immigration of mostly poor people into them. In view of the fact that immense poverty makes people very unhappy, this is such a great accomplishment, performance of the Democratic states, compared to the Islamic ones. And the Islamic ones should have and maybe did try to achieve this also, but everywhere they failed (except a few oil-rich countries). Also autonomy of the individual is something happiness-experts tell us, is very important for happiness in people. And for prosperity and freedom which Democratic states provide much more than Islamic states so many Muslims migrate to democratic states, and so many of them are poor, including the many marriage-partners from Islamic countries to Democratic countries, which is almost a one-way-traffic.
As a proud citizen of such a well-performing country, Holland, I am glad with the performance of the Democratic countries in contrast to the Islamic countries and their attractiveness to Muslims, who come to our societies and I would not like to have it the other way around.
But there are in existence no well-performing Islamic countries to which many people want to migrate. Except a few small oil-rich ones. This is a shame. Our challenge to Muslims could now be: Take Saudi Arabia and a few other countries and strive for them to be model Islamic countries AND at the same time attractive ones. Then proclaim that all Muslims, who prefer Shariah law, who want to live there are invited to migrate there, in order to build further the Ideal Islamic state. At the same time proclaim that all current citizens of these Islamic states who want to migrate to democratic countries (or China for all I care) are allowed to do so. In the democratic countries we can then try to welcome and integrate the many, many citizens from ideal Islamic countries, often very poor, uneducated, in democratic domains somewhere, somehow. But we can then demand that they sign contracts to be loyal to, or at least neutral to, our democratic constitutions. And we may stipulate in those contracts that it is our right to deport all those who seek to overthrow democracy in our countries, to the ideal Islamic states.
And we believe in absolute reciprocity, so they may deport their undesirables to us too.
This proposition, I know, is fraught with dangers, of deceipt, and also of too many poor, desperate people coming our way, but it would challenge the Muslims to actually create an ideal Islamic state, which could attract all those who want to practice Shariah law, without forcing it on citizens that prefer Democratic laws. To practice what they preach and for independent observers, like the UN-statisticians, to provide proof that better societies than the Democratic ones, in fact can exist. Now? No better over-all functioning Islamic countries do exist, we argue.
Demsci to counter radical
Demsci
to counter radical teaching is with radical action,
i like your idea of islamic democracy, but islam is against all what 80% earth population believe.
quote from the news "In July 2006 the Australian Government took the unusual step of banning two radical
Islamic books on security grounds ? the only western nation to have done so."
if books can be ban base of by inciting violence and war, why don't we ban the source, the quran,
they are lucky in the west , because we are free about sex, other wise, may be the quran could be ban for promoting orgy
rational with them is futile, their mind has set to be different from most population, even we speak same language, their standard moral values and understanding of good society is like the one in another planet or allien to us, so their book of guidance is not applicable in our planet, BAN THE QURAN is one way preventing armageddon in humanity
IbnSahr, I always enjoy
IbnSahr, I always enjoy reading your posts and those of Moooo, to me you are some kind of pair.
But I see what Ali Sina, FFI, Islam Watch, Jihad Watch, Daniel Pipes, Ayaan Hirsi Ali and we do as “HOLDING MUSLIMS ACCOUNTABLE”. I would hate it if we all were described as only ANTI-ISLAM, if all those misguided Westerners and those volatile Muslims would be right in classifying us as Islamofobes, Islam-haters. No, we are fighting for Democratic ideas and ideals, among them absolute gender-equality. The fall of Democracy in the ACEA-countries (America-Canada-Europe-Australia) and India, and even Armageddon, could well come about, but it would be because of it’s people’s lack of awareness, interest, idealism, enthousiasm for great principles, ideas, ideals. And Islam would only step into the vacuum left.
But in another scenario a rejuvenated Democratic worldpopulation, living in ACERA (America-Canada-Europe-Russia-Australia), approx. 1 billion people, and India, also approx. 1 billion people, could influence Muslims in their midst, then those in the Islamic Belt, (roughly from Morocco to Indonesia, and interrupted here and there) either to become ex-Muslims, or Muslims who endorse the 5 pillars of Democracy and who themselves are against Theocrats, Patriarchalists (male chauvinists) and other tyrants and their cronies.
To Poooo I hope this will
To Poooo
I hope this will now put an end to your stupidity and propaganda and twisting tactics.
You said:
Kebir…kebir… Did you not see my response to you in previous article (about michael savage bla..bla..bla)?? Read that first before you acted like islamic thug. Nadir ahmed that you so proud about was running like rat
I say:
Keep this simple and don't detract from your very own questions now.
(1) Where have I said that I am proud of Nadir Ahmed? Point it out for ALL to see.
(2) Your question is about Islamic science which cannot be answered in a narrow minded manner. I referred you to a whole debate about Islam and science which answered your questions in which Ali Sina was Molly Wopped. You have no answers to the facts mentioned in the Quran. Again the debate is there for ALL to see on Examine the Truth and let people make up their own minds about who was running and who was acting like a rat! You are so desperate that you are pre-empting others judgements. I call it "Inferiority Complex"
(3) What precise action of mine do you equate with Thuggery as you called me a thug above. Please let me know?
You then said:
AND NOW DO AS I REQUESTED!!!!! BIG MOUTH!!!!
INVENT NEW SCIENTIFIC FACTS STRAIGHT FROM QURAN (NO OTHER SOURCES ALLOWED) AND ANNOUNCE IT ALL OVER THE WORLD.
I say:
The above is a statement and not a question.
(1) The Quran is not a scientific encylopaedia nor a book of science.
(2) However, the Quran does mention many scientific facts and natural phenomenon which was impossible for Muhammad to know if he was not divinely inspired (See debate on Examine the Truth). It answers everything and so You explain how Muhamamd could have known ALL those facts. If it's coincidence then apply the laws of factoring and the answer you will get for it being mere coincidence will tell you that IT IS SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR MUHAMMAD TO GET ALL THESE FACTS RIGHT BY SHEER COINCIDENCE. POOOO. I REPEAT, SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE!
Now, I challenge you, Use ALL the science and knowledge and humanistic principles available to you to prove that Muhammad was lying and that these facts can be explained by the laws of probability? DO IT, Come On, Lets see waht you can do, Instead of chattin shit. If you can do it, I will leave Islam, Give it your best shot.
Furthermore, I have already explained to you on a couple of occasions that It is impossible to INVENT a scientific fact from the Quran before it has been "SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN" Your statement is absurd and shows how much you know about science! It is another fallacy developed by Ali Sina to which you blindly latch on to.
All one can do is make a statement taken from the Quran and await for scienctific development to prove or disprove it, For example, The Quran mentions that the sun has an orbit. Many scientists used this statement to state that the Quran is INCORRECT because at that time they had not developed in astronomical sciences enough to understand that the Sun INDEED has an ORBIT around the centre of the Milky Way. Scientists, Yes, Scientists thought that the Sun was stationary until very recently and lo and behold the Quran was teaching the Muslims for 1400 years that the Sun has an Orbit. You see, the Muslims nor the Western scientists had developed enough to prove or disprove it. Yet it was in the Quran, go check it out.
Having said all this, the Quran is not a book detailing intricate sciences, But it is indeed consistent with science UNTIL you can prove otherwise. So stop your silly tactics and accept you are stooping very low and using trickery to try to appear that you have a point, when in actual fact everyone can quite cleary see you have no valid claim.
You then said:
And about ismael you haven’t answered it.
I say:
Tribal genealogy (Wikepaedia)
"Ancient Arabs", tribes that had vanished or been destroyed, such as 'Ad and Thamud, often mentioned in the Qur'an as examples of God's power to destroy wicked peoples.
"Pure Arabs" of South Arabia, descending from Qahtan. The Qahtanites (Qahtanis) are said to have migrated the land of Yemen following the destruction of the Ma'rib Dam (sadd Ma'rib).
The "Arabized Arabs" (musta`ribah) of center and North Arabia, descending from Ishmael son of Abraham. The Book of Jubilees claims that the The sons of Ishmael intermingled with the 6 sons of Keturah from Abraham And was called Arabs and Ishmaelites:
Book of Jubilees 20:13 And Ishmael and his sons, and the sons of Keturah and their sons, went together and dwelt from Paran to the entering in of Babylon in all the land which is towards the East facing the desert. And these mingled with each other, and their name was called Arabs, and Ishmaelites.
And
"Everybody knew that Arabs and Jews were kin. As Jewish historian Josephus (37-c100 CE) explained, Arabs circumcised their sons at the age of thirteen "because Ishmael, the founder of their nation, who was born to Abraham of the concubine [Hagar], was circumcised at that age."
(Karen Armstrong - Scholar of Comparative Religion)
And
Arabs and their genealogy and descendency from Ishmael is mentioned on numerous occasions in the Bible also, so ask the Jews and the Christians as well who the father of the Arabs is? Ha!
You also said:
Hihihihihihihih, look at this hypocrite liar. Why don’t you get out of your kafir country and go to islamic (hell) countries. Show me some honesty you hypocrite. So according to this liar an advanced and civilized country is all about lust (islamic motivation for jihad), sex (islamic heaven), money (islamic funds for terrorism) , greed (islamic mission to conquer the world), fame (mo’s dream), wealth (mo’s shares), clubbing, booze (islamic heaven), gambling, etc. Wow, your brain is so much twisted and filled with islamic sh*t. And don’t forget to answer my question, ok big mouth.
I say:
How does living on the UK where all the members of my family reside, a country which is my home, where I was born, where all of my friends live, where my Islam is not compromised make me a hypocrite and a liar? Please explain and be specific.
You then said:
Hihihihihihihih, look at this hypocrite bastard. Why don’t you get out of your kafir country and go to islamic (hell) countries. Show me some honesty you hypocrite asshole. And don’t forget to answer my question, ok big mouth.
I say:
I can swear at you as well, I can even call you funnier names and I can swear at your family as well, but you see, Moooo, it is very easy and cowardly to insult someone over the internet and over the phone from a safe distant. If you really have a problem with me and you want to fight it out or something, then there is no need to swear because that says alot about your upbringing, why don't we meet up and then you call me a bastard to my face.
"I would hate it if we all
"I would hate it if we all were described as only ANTI-ISLAM, if all those misguided Westerners and those volatile Muslims would be right in classifying us as Islamofobes, Islam-haters."
Demsci, it's normal for those jerks to call us anti islam (true because islam is evil barbarian) or islamophobes (wrong, because islamic threat is real and destrutive), because:
- greedy westerner: only care about their money and position (oil from islamic countries)
- muslim: islam is anti-democracy, anti-liberty, and anti human rights and they want islam become number 1 religion and sharia is the world's law. Offering democracy to a true muslim is like offering food to a stone, it won't work. Their goal is domination, but democracy is againts domination.
thank you Demsci if you
thank you Demsci if you sincere, and im sure you do,
in my opinion, there is no such thing Muslims will endorse the 5 pillars of Democracy
im pretty much agree with mooo Their goal is domination, but democracy is against domination.
by the way, me and mooo are testicle brothers, im from batavia are you batax mooo?
Hello IbnSahr, You and mooo
Hello IbnSahr,
You and mooo are .... WHAT? I gathered moooo was from Indonesia and you from Australia. I never figured you came from Batavia, which of course I know is the old Dutch name of Jakarta.
I also agree with you 2, about a part of the Muslims wanting domination. Now therein lies our moral right, our strength. Because all we at FFI and many other sites, we, democratic people, we followers of the other faiths, are aiming at, is our right to our fair share, against an Islam that both now occupies and also wants much more than its fair share, of power, domain, space.
I wonder how Muslims can defend themselves against such a reasonable position? Especially if we prove to them and the world that Islam is NO BETTER than any other belief/ society-organizing system. By showing that all the evil deeds by other belief-followers are matched by the evil deeds of Muslims?
When all Muslims like LondonSpirit and Kabirlaw can do is disprove that Islam is inferior to, worse than other beliefs/ systems. By showing oftentimes rightfully too, that other faith-followers in evil deeds match what we accuse Muslims of? And as far as I am concerned they are entitled and welcome to do that.
Demsci, in this crazy world
Demsci, in this crazy world where people believe, god is a war lord, devils' advocate, and sex solicitor, all you can do just laugh to try to understand their mind.
yes i jumped a boat like many immigrant from muslim country from afghan to iraq and iran, to live in kufir country :), amazing, they been to muslim populous country, but they want to go to the place where allah has forbid them to be friend with its people, yup, litteraly begging when get caught by patrol boat, but once inside, they want to see the destruction of its society, this kind of people not for reasoning, they are snakes, like try to build sand castle with them together, and they just keep on wahsing it down (circular reasoning), in wait for big tide to come and wash the whole beach, we never get into conclusion until its too late.
muslim been taught that quran always right, the only way they defended is using circular reasoning, false propaganda and violence. they dont understand all the philosophy, logic and knowledge that our society were base on, you like science, and from technology we have now, we know how this universe created and in order, what on earth and sky allah ask both of them as if they have souls to join willingly and unwillingly, be acceptable by muslim academic
Demsci, you know how wearing
Demsci, you know how wearing hijab is optional, there are muslim who don't wear it, so bassically it didn't make them less muslim, if they serious about integration and and work together, they can order muslim not to wear it, just to show some effort, eliminate small differences to work together. but integration and working together is not their agenda, muslim women are the dumbest of them all, try chatting muslim women with hijab they didn't know much or didn't realise about prophet sex addiction, and gladly expect to be beaten by her husband, and still proud wearing the trademark of stupidity.
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Ibnsahr said: by the way, me
Ibnsahr said:
by the way, me and mooo are testicle brothers, im from batavia are you batax mooo?
I say:
I knew it, I knew it, I F';#+;ing knew it! Hilarious. I kinda feel like the the Buddha when he reached nirvana, only a bit better (enlightened AND vindicated). Muppets!
Helloooo kabirlaw ***I knew
Helloooo kabirlaw
***I knew it, I knew it, I F’;#+;ing knew it! Hilarious. I kinda feel like the the Buddha when he reached nirvana, only a bit better (enlightened AND vindicated). Muppets!***
good to see your normal side of human (i sense your excitement), now, you just go to figure it out why should you worship god that soliciting sex and preach hatred for people, happened just cannot accept peaceful teaching of islam, rather someone might find the teaching of budhha more acceptable and make sense. poor budhha, he didn't get houris to entertain him
Testicle brothers!!!. Ha ha
Testicle brothers!!!. Ha ha ha ha. I can't believe my luck. I nearly pissed myself laughing.
kabirlaw. always a pleasure
kabirlaw.
always a pleasure if i can make you laugh, and like my joke, even if you consider me as enemy allah, isn't it good if we can laugh with each others without the prejuice and hate
Ibnsahr. You know me so
Ibnsahr.
You know me so little. If you are an enemy of Allah and his Messenger you are indeed my enemy.
The difference is that you are entitled to believe whatever you want and friendship can still be established. But in the same way you would want everyone else to respect you despite your beliefs you ought to respect Muslims despite their beliefs and especially if they have not done anything wrong to you personally. In the start, I never disrespected you at all but you started smearing me, swearing at me and cursing Allah and his Holy Messenger without any sensitivities for my feelings without even first getting to know me. And, if I complained then you say that we are now playing victim. Now you are trying the friend game.
You say we can have a laugh together, only if you were sincere Ibnsahr, only if you were sincere, instead of trying to get yourself out of most hilarious own goal of a joke.
So make no mistake, I was not laughing with you, I was laughing at you.
kabirlaw ***You know me so
kabirlaw
***You know me so little. If you are an enemy of Allah and his Messenger you are indeed my enemy. ***,
if you muslim, I don’t need to know more about you, one word ‘muslim’ says it all
I dont believe the teaching where their god soliciting sex and murder, I don’t believe, doesn’t mean I make them enemy, instead you can not tolerate people who don’t believe in allah and you or his make us your enemy.
***But in the same way you would want everyone else to respect you despite your beliefs you ought to respect Muslims despite their beliefs and especially if they have not done anything wrong to you personally***
Who cares.., I don’t ask people to respect me or my belief, how many times christanity been mocked up, anyone got killed?, its because islam is lack of divine attribute, instead of Endeavour your spiritual journey within your heart, you just worshiping some thug, cruel, perverting psycho mind that you defended.
Why should I respect muslim, every time I hear muslim first thing in my mind is dumb creatures.
give me good reasons why should people have to follow the god who soliciting sex, ordered or commanding murder, preaching hatred?, now you tell me, why you belive in god with that attribute?
Have other people who live half world away from Israel ever met jew?, exactly, why they want to hate jew, because that’s the symbol of pedo mo embarrassment of plagiarism of monotheist religion, so don’t try to lecture me
And I’m not trying the friend game, its just something for you to think about
May be if you were laughing with me you start to see, what other 80% of earth population see in islam
"Why should I respect muslim,
"Why should I respect muslim, every time I hear muslim first thing in my mind is dumb creatures."
Very true. Why should respect someone whom religion never respect others.
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To Mr Moderator Thank
To Mr Moderator
Thank you.
To Poooo
Besides yourself, it now looks like that you are embarrasing FFI staff also! I hate to say, but I told you so!
Well..welll....Mr.moderator
Well..welll....Mr.moderator let me change the language then so this big mouth can be beaten.
Kebir …kebir… you never
Kebir …kebir… you never understand my meaning are you?
Just do as i say ok? No excuse again kebirilewd.
“Now, I challenge you, Use ALL the science and knowledge and humanistic principles available to you to prove that Muhammad was lying and that these facts can be explained by the laws of probability? DO IT, Come On, Lets see waht you can do, Instead of chattin shit. If you can do it, I will leave Islam, Give it your best shot.”
Stupid response from a muslim as usual. I challenge you first and what is your response??? Challenge back? Pathetic! Read the full debate first here and DO my challenge!!!!
“ll one can do is make a statement taken from the Quran and await for scienctific development to prove or disprove it, For example, The Quran mentions that the sun has an orbit. Many scientists used this statement to state that the Quran is INCORRECT because at that time they had not developed in astronomical sciences enough to understand that the Sun INDEED has an ORBIT around the centre of the Milky Way. Scientists, Yes, Scientists thought that the Sun was stationary until very recently and lo and behold the Quran was teaching the Muslims for 1400 years that the Sun has an Orbit. You see, the Muslims nor the Western scientists had developed enough to prove or disprove it. Yet it was in the Quran, go check it out.”
TAil...tail...tail...Oh…really… show me a verse that clearly says that sun has an orbit (no acrobatic cheap words) ok.
“Arabs and their genealogy and descendency from Ishmael is mentioned on numerous occasions in the Bible also, so ask the Jews and the Christians as well who the father of the Arabs is? Ha!”
Ckk..ckkk.ckkkk. This clearly shows that you never understand my question. Go check my questions about ismael in another article again. Prove that ismail is a real person then a prophet then prove his connection to pedo mo ok. Family tree is what i’m asking. Ha!
“How does living on the UK where all the members of my family reside, a country which is my home, where I was born, where all of my friends live, where my Islam is not compromised make me a hypocrite and a liar? Please explain and be specific.”
Again you never understand my statement. Bah always like this. You boasted that country like UK is all about sex, lust, booze, greed, bla…bla….bla…. . Why don’t you migrate to islamic countries eh, hypocrite?
“I can swear at you as well, I can even call you funnier names and I can swear at your family as well, but you see, Moooo, it is very easy and cowardly to insult someone over the internet and over the phone from a safe distant. If you really have a problem with me and you want to fight it out or something, then there is no need to swear because that says alot about your upbringing, why don’t we meet up and then you call me a bastard to my face.”
You can swear to me all you want. I don’t care because muslim always insult others (not only in internet) and they are assassins too. My upbringing doesn't have any relation with this, on the contrary it was muslim who invited this kind of treatment
I repeat again and again:
Invent NEW scientific facts straight from quran (no other sources allowed) and announce it all over the world. Can you do it big mouth?
What? more excuses again? cheap article, debate? Afraid to enter the real world?
ibn shar,
I’m not batax.
Done, mr. moderator or you still want to block my posting eh?
For the big mouth: I'm not
For the big mouth: I'm not representing anyone here not even FFI. I'm representing reality ok. If FFI wrong i would have been disagree with them.
This is the pattern of islamic "science":
innovation by kafir scientist without quran -> result announced -> muslim watch it and confused, then they adapt and search connection (anything will do) in their book -> claim by muslim -> voila islamic "instant science".
What i want is simple: reverse the pattern to prove that islamic "science" is real not just cheap "matching words" game. Do you understand muslim or your brain need more stimulation?
About ismael answer it clearly and read my question carefully.
you never understand my
you never understand my meaning are you?
Just do as i say ok? No excuse again.
“Now, I challenge you, Use ALL the science and knowledge and humanistic principles available......."
Silly response from a muslim as usual. I challenge you first and what is your response??? Challenge back? Pathetic! Read the full debate first here and DO my challenge!!!!
“ll one can do is make a statement taken from the Quran and await for scienctific development to prove or disprove it, For example, The Quran mentions that the sun has an orbit. Many scientists used this statement to state that the Quran is INCORRECT because at that time they had not developed in astronomical sciences enough to understand that the Sun INDEED has an ORBIT around the centre of the Milky Way. Scientists, Yes, Scientists thought that the Sun was stationary until very recently and lo and behold the Quran was teaching the Muslims for 1400 years that the Sun has an Orbit. You see, the Muslims nor the Western scientists had developed enough to prove or disprove it. Yet it was in the Quran, go check it out.”
TAil…tail…tail…Oh…really… show me a verse that clearly says that sun has an orbit (no acrobatic cheap words) ok.
“Arabs and their genealogy and descendency from Ishmael is mentioned on numerous occasions in the Bible also, so ask the Jews and the Christians as well who the father of the Arabs is? Ha!”
Ckk..ckkk.ckkkk. This clearly shows that you never understand my question. Go check my questions about ismael in another article again. Prove that ismail is a real person then a prophet then prove his connection to pedo mo ok. Family tree is what i’m asking. Ha!
“How does living on the UK where all the members of my family reside, a country which is my home, where I was born, where all of my friends live, where my Islam is not compromised make me a hypocrite and a liar? Please explain and be specific.”
Again you never understand my statement. Bah always like this. You boasted that country like UK is all about sex, lust, booze, greed, bla…bla….bla…. . Why don’t you migrate to islamic countries eh, hypocrite?
“I can swear at you as well, I can even call you funnier names and I can swear at your family as well, but you see, Moooo, it is very easy and cowardly to insult someone over the internet and over the phone from a safe distant. If you really have a problem with me and you want to fight it out or something, then there is no need to swear because that says alot about your upbringing, why don’t we meet up and then you call me a bastard to my face.”
You can swear to me all you want. I don’t care because muslim always insult others (not only in internet) and they are assassins too. My upbringing doesn’t have any relation with this, on the contrary it was muslim who invited this kind of treatment
I repeat again and again:
Invent NEW scientific facts straight from quran (no other sources allowed) and announce it all over the world. Can you do it?
What? more excuses again? cheap article, debate? Afraid to enter the real world?
ibn shar,
I’m not batax.
Done, mr. moderator or you still want to block my posting eh?
To mr moderator. My posting
To mr moderator. My posting is blatant and straight to the point. I don't like poeple who never answer my question and challenge, but they poped out like smart ass. Truthful and honesty is what i'm asking even if i must do it in harsh way (to real muslim only). I'm not gonna change my stand because reality is out there and muslim thug is destroying, insulting, degrading, etc, etc anyone who don't agree with them.
Speaking of the pattern of islamic "science", i noticed the hindus also did that. Hindu and science. Hmmmmm. The different is that hindu have significant contribution than muslim.
WOOOW, at last my posting is
WOOOW, at last my posting is revealed (i erased some of kebir's quote). Now..now big mouth.. ready to do my challenge or running away as usual?
To Pooo If I was you (and I
To Pooo
If I was you (and I thank Allah most earnestly that I am not) I wouldn't be too proud of your response!
He Poooo, my four year old nephew can spell better than you. Now thats saying something.
Kebirilewd a.k.a the
Kebirilewd a.k.a the coward,
Is that all? If you can't do it just say so. My 3 years old nephew are far better and honest than you. He always answered when i asked him. Unlike a liar like you. Running like a rat, embarrassing
"He Poooo, my four year old nephew can spell better than you"
English is my fourth language and i don't live in the west, unlike your 4 years old nephew. I don't use it in everydays's conversation. Think first before you typed next time, big mouth, don't be such a bakero or orang longor.
Now everyone can clearly see that you are indeed a coward liar. Pathetic.
To: Poooo You
To: Poooo
You said:
TAil…tail…tail…Oh…really… show me a verse that clearly says that sun has an orbit (no acrobatic cheap words) ok.
I say:
Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; is firmly established on the throne (of authority); He has subjected the sun and the moon (to his Law)! Each one runs (its course) for a term appointed.
Quran: [13.2] Abdullah Yusuf Ali
You then said:
Ckk..ckkk.ckkkk. This clearly shows that you never understand my question. Go check my questions about ismael in another article again. Prove that ismail is a real person then a prophet then prove his connection to pedo mo ok. Family tree is what i’m asking. Ha!
I say:
Pooo. That is pathetic. This is why I hate wasting my time responding to your crap. Forget me, lets refer to the experts instead. Atheist historians (who are more knowledgeable than you and I on history) confirm that Ishmael existed as a real person. Atheist and non-Muslim historians confirm that the Arabs are descendants of Ishmael, Muhammad was an Arab Pooo, an Arab, so that makes him a descendant of Ishmael. Or are you now going to say "Well prove that Muhammad was a real person and that prove that Muhammad was indeed an Arab and not a Persian. What nonsense!" If ishmael was not true and the Arabs were not his descendants then the Arabs would have laughed at Muhammad about him claiming an inaccurate lineage and genaology. ALL those Arabs knew that they were descendants of Ishmael. You fool. You ask for a family tree, refer to the History books of the non Muslim historians on Comparative religion if you don't trust the Muslim ones they will show you. You are questioning a well grounded position that has overwhelming historical evidence to support this fact.
You then said:
Again you never understand my statement. Bah always like this. You boasted that country like UK is all about sex, lust, booze, greed, bla…bla….bla…. . Why don’t you migrate to islamic countries eh, hypocrite?
I say:
I stand by what I said and I have already explained to you above why I live in the UK. It's not about moving to an Islamic country, I can practice my Islam in the UK. Moreover, I can also choose to move to the US, Canada, France, Germany, Australia, Italy, Spain, Japan, Finland, Switzerland etc etc if I wanted to but I don't want to because the UK is my home and all of my family is here.
You then said:
You can swear to me all you want. I don’t care because muslim always insult others (not only in internet) and they are assassins too. My upbringing doesn’t have any relation with this, on the contrary it was muslim who invited this kind of treatment
I say:
If you don't feel insulted when people swear at you you are indeed a most shameless, unprincipled and downright cockroach of an excuse for a human being. I feel sorry for your parents. Trust me, your upbringing has eveything to do with it.
You then said:
I repeat again and again:
Invent NEW scientific facts straight from quran (no other sources allowed) and announce it all over the world. Can you do it?
What? more excuses again? cheap article, debate? Afraid to enter the real world?
I say:
See above (verse about orbits) and See my previous replies that I have posted about at least 3 times in explanation to which you have still not replied.
Oh Yeah, stop using the words I used to describe you, i.e. liar and coward. I have applied these words in context with regards to your stance as a human being which is evident from our exchanges. So by simply you using my words by calling me a coward does not make me one. On the other hand I have clearly explained how you are a coward.
Now, if you don't respond by writing something which is connected to the topic and useful instead of trying to use words to reinforce something against me which is simply untrue I will not respond, as your are not worth it.
You then said:
English is my fourth language and i don’t live in the west, unlike your 4 years old nephew. I don’t use it in everydays’s conversation. Think first before you typed next time, big mouth, don’t be such a bakero or orang longor.
I say:
"Pooo ko Chaar zabaney atein hey leiken mahir eik ka bi nahein" (Urdu)
"Pooo kehnda wa boliyan chaar bolda wah par ik boli da mahir wi nai" (Punjabi)
"Pooo aana chaar zabana achaniya an, par hik zaban na kamil wi koi ni (Pothari)
"Pooo is a Jack of four languages, Master of none" (English)
So I guess it's one nil to me on that one as well.
Kabirlaw, you
Kabirlaw, you wrote:
Gibraltar = Like the Nigerians saying that the Isle of Wight belongs to them, they house Nigerians there and then ask for a referendum, No prizes for guessing the result.
Not quite: it would be like the UK giving away the Isle of Wight to the Nigerians in perpetuity, who then (logically) send people to administrate it etc, but still keeping a very ethnically diverse Island with minority Nigerian population (the population of Gibraltar is a mix of Spanish, Portugese, German, Genoese and British + various others. Those of GB ancestry are a minority on Gib). Then the UK asks for it back (thereby breaking its word), the Nigerians (very reasonably) say "OK, let the Whitians decide" and the referendum is 99% to stay with Nigerian administration.
Falklands= Like the Chinese saying that the Shetland Isles belong to them, housing native China men there and going to their defense when the UK tries to get their land back.
Not quite: More like the Chinese claim the Shetlands before any other people settle it. It then passes between (say) the Chinese, Japanese and Russians for a bit before the Chinese re-assert their claim. One hundred years or so after this re-assertion of territiorial rights, then the UK (which wasn't even a country when the Shetlands were first claimed) suddenly "want it back". Again, the Chinese say "We'll let the people decide" but, before this can be done the UK launches an attack and the Chinese defend the Shetlands.
East Timor= the point is that they wanted their own state and did not want to be part of the greater Indonesia. But it is so difficult a notion to grasp when it’s not a Muslim that you have trash!
Fine: But why should "Greater Indonesia" enforce its hegenomy on a newly independant Country? Indonesia invaded within 5 days of East Timor gaining independance from Portugal, not even allowing enough time for a referendum.
I guess Indonesia thought they'd get a "no" vote even with their army massed on the border.
Ireland: this conflict is characterised as a religious conflict and many people will see it this way becuase these are the demarcations along which the dispute (mostly now resolved) coalesced.
However, the causes of the "Irish problem" are in politics and history, reaching back to the 1500s and it really is too complex to treat here.
I am not denying a religious component in the conflict(s) in Ireland developed over time. But to claim that it is solely religious, or even fundamentally based in religion, is an egregious misrepresention of History.
When you get a fact right, wake me up.
Kebir..kebir... same crap but
Kebir..kebir... same crap but always boast.
"Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; is firmly established on the throne (of authority); He has subjected the sun and the moon (to his Law)! Each one runs (its course) for a term appointed."
Where is the words dun has an orbit eh??? Sun and moon runs (its course) it's obvious if you see it from this earth. Any caveman can see that sun and moon moves. Pathetic.
"Pooo. That is pathetic. This is why I hate wasting my time responding to your crap. Forget me, lets refer to the experts instead. Atheist historians (who are more knowledgeable than you and I on history) confirm that Ishmael existed as a real person. Atheist and non-Muslim historians confirm that the Arabs are descendants of Ishmael, Muhammad was an Arab Pooo, an Arab, so that makes him a descendant of Ishmael. Or are you now going to say “Well prove that Muhammad was a real person and that prove that Muhammad was indeed an Arab and not a Persian. What nonsense!” If ishmael was not true and the Arabs were not his descendants then the Arabs would have laughed at Muhammad about him claiming an inaccurate lineage and genaology. ALL those Arabs knew that they were descendants of Ishmael. You fool. You ask for a family tree, refer to the History books of the non Muslim historians on Comparative religion if you don’t trust the Muslim ones they will show you. You are questioning a well grounded position that has overwhelming historical evidence to support this fact."
Truly pathetic, indeed. You didn't even prove what i asked you. Let me repeat again. Prove that ismael is real, then a prophet then give me a family tree from ismael to muhammad the pedo. Do that first before acting like an arrogance thug. Let me give you an example: The case of Sun Tzu. There are no proves that sun tzu is a real person let alone his desendents (The sun family).
"I stand by what I said and I have already explained to you above why I live in the UK. It’s not about moving to an Islamic country, I can practice my Islam in the UK. Moreover, I can also choose to move to the US, Canada, France, Germany, Australia, Italy, Spain, Japan, Finland, Switzerland etc etc if I wanted to but I don’t want to because the UK is my home and all of my family is here."
Silly response again. Hypocrites like you never admit anything do you. UK don't use islamic law and It's kafir nation which filled with sex, booze, bal..bla...bla... Why don't you go to islamic countries eh? You can enjoy sharia law there.
"I can practice my Islam in the UK"
"If you don’t feel insulted when people swear at you you are indeed a most shameless, unprincipled and downright cockroach of an excuse for a human being. I feel sorry for your parents. Trust me, your upbringing has eveything to do with it."
Ck..ck..ckkk If you don't know about something, stop acting like you know it ok, big mouth. You don't need to sorry about my parents. they are fine. You are indeed shameless muslim. Talking bullsh*t everytime but never prove anything.
Of course you can, UK is tolerant country yet you insulted it. Truly hypocrite. Unlike saudi barbaria. Bah.
"See above (verse about orbits) and See my previous replies that I have posted about at least 3 times in explanation to which you have still not replied."
See my response first. And you don't even know my challenge, pathetic.
"Oh Yeah, stop using the words I used to describe you, i.e. liar and coward. I have applied these words in context with regards to your stance as a human being which is evident from our exchanges. So by simply you using my words by calling me a coward does not make me one. On the other hand I have clearly explained how you are a coward."
I won't stop it to a person who indeed a coward and a liar. Do my challenge first, coward.
"So I guess it’s one nil to me on that one as well."
Wrong, 1-0 to me, You run from my challenge, pathetic. Muslim tolol.