Why Left-Wing Anti-Zionism is Anti-Semitism
Submitted by Sultan Knish on Wed, 10/21/2009 - 08:28
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In a clear demonstration of just how "progressive" they really are, the Anti-Israel left is hard at working trying to revive the medieval blood libel. First, the Swedish daily Aftonbladet repeated Palestinian Arab propaganda about medically impossible organ thefts, and then the left wing Counterpunch magazine run by Saddam supporter Alexander Cockburn printed an article actually using medieval blood libels against Jews as proof. There is something striking about an Anti-Semitic radicalization on the left so extreme that after being accused of using organ thefts as a modern day blood libel, it actually tries to revive and legitimize medieval blood libels.
Leftists like Alexander Cockburn naturally claim they're not Anti-Semitic, but rather Anti-Zionist. Indeed Alexander Cockburn published a book, The Politics of Anti-Semitism, dedicated to that premise. But as implausible as the premise that an enthusiastic defender of Saddam Hussein like Cockburn and so many of the left, who nevertheless obsessively attack Israel for human rights violations, are not displaying a clear double standard... the Anti-Zionist, not Anti-Semitic argument flies out the window when you're publishing articles reviving medieval blood libels against Jews, sourced from the likes of "Israel Shamir," the pseudonym of a Swedish Neo-Nazi, and another regular at Counterpunch, who writes articles about Jews with charming titles like "The Vampire Killers," "Poisoning Wells," "Kugel Eaters" and "Bloodcurdling Libel."
Cockburn and his ilk though are simply the leading edge of left wing Anti-Semtism, dipping into the foulest wells of bigotry and unashamed to harvest the rotting fruit of Goebbels and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Like much of the European left, the American far left is beginning to abandon the "Anti-Zionism not Anti-Semitism" pretense for the pure "medieval" stuff, which helps them bring Muslims on board, while directly carrying the war to their Jewish critics. Embracing unabashed Anti-Semitism allows the left to discard any defensiveness regarding the double standard they maintain toward Israel, and simply damn Jews as a whole.
But that same attitude is pervasive in more subtle forms among the left in general. Take a visit by Mia Farrow to Gaza, where she naturally condemned Israel closing its border with the Hamas run territory. Did she stop to condemn Hamas' ongoing campaign of violence against Israelis? Naturally.
Farrow also criticized militant rockets, advising Gazans "not to give the international community ammunition to view you in a negative way." Stopping them, she said, could lead to greater international aid.
She did not condemn Hamas' rocket attacks on civilian towns because they're wrong. No, she condemned them because it gives biased people "ammunition" to see the otherwise non-violent and idealistic Hamas terrorists in "a negative way." And of course if Hamas were to stop, there would be more aid coming their way. The inherent double standard speaks volumes about Farrow's view toward the right of Jews and Palestinian Arabs to live. But it's hardly unique to a moderately obscure Hollywood actress; it has become a commonplace attitude on the left to presume that Israel has no right to defend the lives of its citizens, because those lives are somehow inferior to those of their attackers. It is of course not a new attitude, only an old attitude coming to the fore among the left once again. Historically, Anti-Semitism was a common approach on the part of the European left toward Jews, damned for their unwillingness to assimilate into the stream of workers, lawyers and peasants so dear to the left, and of course for their capitalism. The pamphlets and books of Socialists and Marxists regularly contained Anti-Semitic invective... long before they had managed to seize on Zionism as the issue. Marx himself used language toward Jews not too distant from what Goebbels would propound in the next century. In the early 20th century, Communists routinely supported Russian and Arab pogroms of Jews. In fact that support led to a New York boycott of the Communist rag, The Daily Worker, by newspaper sellers that effectively destroyed its circulation. Leftist Anti-Semitism began to decline somewhat in the 20th century as the left achieved its goals of destroying Judaism in Europe and America, and recruiting large numbers of Jews into the ranks of socialist movements. A variety of tactics was utilized from the straightforward purges of the USSR which utilized its "Jewish Section" to shut down synagogues, imprison and execute Jewish clergy and outlaw all Zionist movements; to using Socialist Anti-Jewish newspapers in Europe and America, such as the Forward aimed at a Jewish audience, that routinely mocked Judaism and promoted Socialism as the only answer. Israel however represented a fundamental breach of the Socialist agenda that demanded that Jews assimilate, abandon their religious beliefs and work to build socialism in the countries in which they live. Instead, Israel's rebuilding gained a major boost from Jews who "turned their backs" on the German socialist and Russian Communist movements, and worked to build their own country instead. And that is a "Heresy" for which the left has never forgiven the Jews. The agenda of the left was an end to ethnicity and religion, a one world government in which everyone would be brothers. Rebuilding Israel flew in the face of that agenda. It was separatist and nationalist, and when the USSR staked its bet on the Arab world – for the left, the deal was done. Israel was to be the enemy of the left. Passing time has exchanged the labels to conform with political trends. But behind all of them is the old classic Anti-Semitism of Karl Marx who blamed the Jews for popularizing capitalism, writing, "The god of the Jews had been secularized and has become the god of this world... Money is the jealous god of the Jews" H.G. Wells, that great believer that all of mankind must be ruled by a benevolent one world state, stated the position of the left very clearly in The Shape of Things to Come. And that position is worth hearing, because beneath all the hypocritical nonsense about human rights violations that the left spews from every corner... it lays out the grievance of the left against the Jews... and how the left's Anti-Semitism is linked to its Anti-Zionism.The Jews had been able to keep themselves a people apart, eating peculiar food and following distinctive religious practices, a nation within the nation, in every state in the world. They had been a perpetual irritant to statesmen, a breach in the collective solidarity everywhere...
It might have been supposed that a people so widely dispersed would have developed a cosmopolitan mentality and formed a convenient linking organization for many world purposes, but their special culture of isolation was so intense that this they neither did nor seemed anxious to attempt. After the World War the orthodox Jews played but a poor part in the early attempts to formulate the Modern State, being far more preoccupied with a dream called Zionism... It emphasized their traditional wilful separation from the main body of mankind. It irritated the world against them, subtly and incurably.
H.G. Wells' case against Israel is also his case against the Jews. They are one and the same, both damned for undermining the "collective solidarity", for failing to be "cosmopolitan" and helping to link together the world into Wells' envisioned socialist modern state. And to this day, the left characterizes Jews as good or bad, based on their willingness to assimilate, abandon their distinctive religious practices and help create the "Modern State." Good Jews help enable the "Modern State." Bad Jews hold to religious practices and are Pro-Israel, and therefore undermine the "Modern State." It is also noteworthy that for all of H.G. Wells' supposed progressivism and futurism, his view of the Jews was as filled with medieval bigotry as Counterpunch writing today about Jews drinking human blood. But then the progressivism of the left has always been a sham, its origins are rooted in a primitive dream of one state ruled by enlightened men who oversee the human rabble beneath their feet – a vision that is pre-modern and fundamentally hostile to the notion of individual rights rooted in independent republics. And finally, H.G. Wells envisions what the future of Israel and the Jews will be. It is also worth noting, because it is the same future that the left has been pushing Jews toward for a long time now.And yet between 1940 and 2059, in little more than a century, this antiquated obdurate culture disappeared. It and its Zionist state, its kosher food, the Law and all the rest of its paraphernalia, were completely merged in the human community. The Jews were not suppressed; there was no extermination... but under the Tyranny there was never any specific persecution at all; yet they were educated out of their oddity and racial egotism in little more than three generations. Their attention was distracted from Moses and the Promise to Abraham and the delusion that God made his creation for them alone, and they were taught the truth about their race. The world is as full as ever it was of men and women of Semitic origin, but they belong no more to “Israel.”
That is the left's envisioned Final Solution. No extermination, no "specific persecution," just the end of the Jews as anything more than another DNA strand working its way through the genetic packaging of the human race. And they have succeeded all too well. The Soviet Union virtually wiped out Jewish identity in Russia and widespread secularism has done much of the rest in the West. Israel has become the holdout, the largest collection of Jews in the world. And so the left is driven to destroy Israel: to wipe it out one way or another, and make room for the "Modern State," in which there is no G-d, no bible and no room for a bunch of Semitic nomads who had the presumption to try and talk to Him. In which men are no more than smart apes, G-d is a figment of the primitive imagination and the only gods are the enlightened rulers of the One World State. To understand why Anti-Semitism and Anti-Zionism are one, we need look no further than H.G. Wells who wrote, "Zionism is an expression of Jewish refusal to assimilate." That one sentence is the final thesis on the left's ugly legacy of hatred for Israel and the Jews. It demonstrates why Anti-Zionism cannot be detached from Anti-Semitism, because behind it is a denunciation of Jewish identity. That is the ideological fuel behind the Anti-Zionism of both Western liberals and their Arab allies. The Western liberals demand to know why the Jews just won't assimilate. The Arabs demand to know why the Jews weren't happy being second class Dhimmis in their own country. Anti-Zionism is the denial of the rights of the Jews as a people based on Anti-Semitism, the denial of the equality of the Jews. That double standard joins Anti-Semitism and Anti-Zionism into two words for the same idea: that the Jews should not exist. FamilySecurityMatters.org Contributing Editor Sultan Knish, a blogger, columnist and freelance photographer born in Israel, maintains his own blog, Sultan Knish.
"Anti-Zionism cannot be
"Anti-Zionism cannot be detached from Anti-Semitism" - nonsense,of course it can. The author's attempt to portray all anti-zionists as anti-semites is self-serving propaganda. Instead of anti-semitism we have pro-semitism and what is,in effect, a special pleading for Israel because it happens to have a majority Jewish population. The historical excursion into European anti-semitic prejudices is irrelevant to the ethical assessment of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians,Israel is a colonial enterprise. and still behaves like a 19th century settler society.
In fact, fear of accusations of anti-semitism have inhibited legitimate criticism of Israel's behaviour until recently.
Zionism is the denial of the equality of Palestinians,it is chauvinistic propaganda.
In clarification-
(1) no, I don't want to see Israel disappear, what's done is done, however ,Israel like other settler societies, must come to terms with its indigenous inhabitants and stop stealing their land.
(2) I don't care whether Jews assimilate or not,one superstition is much the same as any other to me. As long as Jews/Moslems/Hindus and others obey the laws of the liberal democratic state I couldn't care less what they do.The belief that all the goyim/infidels/unbelievers are plotting one's downfall seems rather narcissistic to me.
Thanks. Great article.
Thanks. Great article.
The usual specious leftish
The usual specious leftish rubbish from Rocky. The 'palestinians' are an invented people for the purposes of exterminating Jewish rights. The monochromatic view of the left is that the 'palestinians' can do no wrong, must be indulged to the nth degree no matter how many times they reject nationhood offers, are never any obstacle to resolution and are the product of a historical paradigm that cannot be answered.
The purpose that unifies 'palestinians' is terrorism against Jews. The PLO was formed before Israel 'occuppied' anything, in 1964. The arabs possessed the 'occuppied territories' for 20 years before Israel. Did any arab think it appropriate to set up a 'palestinian' state then? No? I wonder why was that? Because there was no such thing as a 'palestinian' in either the arab or anyone else's minds. The only desire of arabs then, as now is the destruction of Israel.
The leftist lies even whilst giving you his story. Notice above that whilst telling us how anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism the excursion is into leftist rhetoric and ideological dogma about 'colonialization'. Colonialization is the watchword word for the denial of Jewish polical rights, for some of the reasons identified in the above article. arab colonialism is much more prefereable to a leftist than what he calls Jewish colonialism. Jewish reclamation is 'colonialization' to a leftists because he cannot accept Jewish rights to self-determination.
The leftist is an onion of hypocrisy where each layer reviles against the other.
Its always easier for them to talk about the 'colonialism' of a 3rd party to prove their pristine credentials but all these lefists live in countries where they are themselves colonialists and userpers. I forget, exactly what is the European claim to North & South America, Australia, Canada etc. etc. But the biggest hypocrites come from England a country that raped the world. Leftists use the same psychological projection onto the Jews that Hitler used. By lying about the Jews they expect to cleanse themselves of their own sins. Talking about 'Jewish colonialism' deflects from having to face the the truth of their own vileness, which in the process only makes them more vile.
For leftists self-determination is the exclusive preserve of 'palestinians' and that expression involves the destruction of that same right for the Jews. That the sin qua non of 'palestinian' self-determination is the destruction of Israel is of no compunction to a leftist. He just spits the usual lobotomized slogans.
But hey guess what? When the arabs attacked Israel who was it that was destroyed? And now as the 'palestinians' continue their war of extermination who is it that will be exterminated? It is they and all the lying, moaning leftists in this world, including their chief liar, Obama, won't make a pinch of sh*t of difference to the ultimate outcome. Lefists are people looking for a cause of suffering at the hands of a Westernised power. That people suffer a 100 times worse at the hands of backward islamists or dictatorships is of absolutely no interest to them.
The whining about the 'palestinians' is totally rooted in anti-Semitism because it singles out Jews for their attention above and before all and everything else no matter what anybody else does.
Leftists are self-hating hypocrites who will use any device in order to dominate. They see everything in terms of class struggle and that is all they know. Look at Obama. Talks about democracy and freedom and a host of other rubbish, but is in the process of persecuting Honduras for executing its laws in accordance with its own constitution to expel a dictator Zalya, but Obama is pressing and sanctioning them to re-instate this traitor! Leftists can't sleep straight in bed.
George Bush went to the UN, waited a year for approval, he went to congress and got their approval and the left calls him a criminal. Clinton didn't ask anyone before he started to bomb Kosovo, but he wasn't a criminal?! These people are a hopeless joke. Their agenda is domination at any cost and will spew out humanitarianism, human rights and every other product of Western culture in order to implement the 'dictatorship of the proletariate'. Lenin the criminal said that it matters not if 90% of the people die in the pursuit of his objectives. The Kronstadst sailors were used by the communists during the Russian civil war to establish themselves. They lied to them as well. In the end the sailors rebelled against Lenin because he proved himself a liar to them. In the end communism killed them off as leftists will do to anyone who stands in their way. The Jews are just in their way because they can smell a liar when they hear one and because, as explained below, they know from direct experience.
As correctly identified above Leftists are basically fascists that hate individual freedoms, democracy or anything that intrudes into the reverie of their socialist paradise. They hate this because they are losers themselves, like Marx was, a lazy, goodfornothing loser who couldn't make a living and was unwilling to do honest work.
The above article is quite incisive except for one thing with which I disagree with. It presumes that Leftists hold out some sort of cure for anti-Semitism. It is not so. The Jews of Russia were persecuted under Stalin and his 'socialist paradise'. In the atheist state Jews were identified for their religion. None of these isms represent a release from anti-Semitism especially nothing like leftist liars moaning about 'colonialism' and 'palestinians'. The Jews know that and know these types for their lies.
Before any Jew becomes a leftist they must first become an anti-Semite.
No doubt Mia Farrow became a public anti-Semite after Woody Allen's debauchery. Now that's what I call holding to a 'principle'. Because she was married to a shitbag Jew they should all be wiped out, right? How precious she must hold herself. I must remember to use that same handy principle for WASPS when one of them chisels me (again).
i do not respect any
i do not respect any religion,man created god,the stories in the so called holy book where written by people like us,our ancestors thousands 0f years ago had no radios and tv plus cell phones,at night they walked out of their tents and formed a circle and invented their own entertainment cinema,by looking up seeing the moon and the stars,was not easy for them,people were terrified of thunder storms,lightining hiting the ground and causing fire,they needed answers,so they began to worship the sun god ,moon god,abraham god ,the so great flood all originated in babylonia,todays iraq,thing of moses climbing a mountain to speek to god,as if god can,t hear him if he stayed down in the valley ,the babylonians build babel tower so the can hear what god says to his angels,today we call it eavesdropping.blah,blah,blah the jews are in the promissed land,i like to have the same god to be my real state agent,location is good for investments.
the jews,the arabs,the aramiacs, the ethiopians are all semitics.
we all write from right to left,and speak the same language with different dialect like.
saying peace'' in hebrew shalom..in arabic salam..in aramiac shlomo.look how close are the words.
as an arab myself i am a semite,how could i be anti-semite if i criticize zionisim,some one explain that to me.semite is a language not a race of people, so lets be careful here not to mix race and ethnicity with the language.zionism is a national movement not a religion,judaism is a religion,again do not mix apples and oranges.yes israel has the right to exist,so are the palestinians inside their 1967 land which was occupied by israel,israel should give back the occupied territoriesfor lasting peace,religion has to stay out of politics period,sigmund freud and albert einstien rejected zionism from the get go.
Zionist apologist arguments!
Zionist apologist arguments! The author tries to foreclose any debate criticizing zionist extremes. Those who call critiques of Zionists as anti-semitists are zionists. Semitic ideologies are not holy cows beyond criticisms. One can heartily condemn nazi outrage against the jews while equally condemning both semitic and zionist ideologies. What is so great about semiticisms and their derivatives? Semiticism is equally nasty like Nazism. The sysmpathy for the jews tortured by nazis is oversold by treating everything semitic as if it were pure goodness.
OK, OK guys, I've got it! If
OK, OK guys, I've got it!
If youre against a racist idealogy you are anti semetic. Right.
If you hate the fact that zionists believe in a god given right to displace, demean a whole nation of people and commit genocide you are anti semetic. Right.
If you say israel committed and continues to commit war crimes you are anti semetic. Right.
If you think the fury unleashed on Gazan elderly, men, women and children is "inappropriate" you are anti-semetic. Right.
If you think it is wrong for multi million and billion dollar organisations to support israel's war on the oppressed Palestinians you are anti semetic. Right.
If you think Palestinians are entitled to a sovereign homeland you are anti-semetic. Right.
I'm sorry it took me so long to understand what anti-semetism is. The f***ing irony is that this kind diagnosis comes from people who think the lives of muslims are less valuable than the lives of non muslims.
Keep up the good work guys and soon enough, if you prevail, we'll all be living in a wonderful and peaceful world built on justice and equality where the weak and the wronged are conveniently bulldozed into the abyss.
Are the Arabs Semites
Are the Arabs Semites also?
Discuss.
some ppl clearly cant
some ppl clearly cant read......the author of this article means tht in most cases wen ppl claim to be anti zionistic they refer to judasim which renders them as anti semetic.
aka saying israel steals pali organs because jewish teachings command such acts renders the comment as anti semetic not anti zionistic
correction: Semetic should
correction:
Semetic should be Semitic. Apologies to all who actually care to give a f***
Rocky: (1) no, I don’t want
Rocky:
(1) no, I don’t want to see Israel disappear, what’s done is done, however ,Israel like other settler societies, must come to terms with its indigenous inhabitants and stop stealing their land.
I say:
The current Palestinians are not indigenous. That is a big fact lie propagated by the Muslims. The original Palestinians were not Arabs and ceased to exist thousands of years ago. The people living in modern palestine are descendants of the Muslim invaders and the Muslims who settled there through the British Mandate of Palestine.
By the way the Jews of Israel
By the way the Jews of Israel are not colonists. Many of them have lived in the country hundreds of years before Israel became a state.
Excellent article.
Excellent article.
I agree with Marie.The real
I agree with Marie.The real occupiers are the Muslims. There were no Muslims there during Biblical time. Muslims are evil people who occupy lands illegally and say they belong to that land. Muslims hated the Jews even before the Nazis hated them. One reason is because the Jews, despite Muslims' influence in the region could never get what they wanted - convert the Jews to Islam. Plus Jesus Christ is a Jew. Actually I'm not going to hold my self in political correctness. Satan hate the Jews. Islam is satanic, therefore, Muslims, the follower of satanic Islam, hate the Jews too. Am I going to say that the leftists are satanic too? What the hell. Yeap, they're satanic too.
MARIE. FROM WHICH BATHROOM
MARIE.
FROM WHICH BATHROOM did you dig out your misleading information that caused diarrhea in your brain cells.i am a christian palestinian lived all my life in the old city of jerusalem,my ancestors are buried in bethlehem the cemetery records goes back to before the crusades history,who dare you terminate my family tree with a stroke of a pencil.the jews were kicked out 2000 years ago,my ancestors lives their when jesus walked the land ,i belong to the aramiac semite community,jesus spoke our languagearamiac,he did not speak the jewish hebrew language,remember the jews came out of africa,egypt.abraham out of iraq,i out of canaanite palestine.its true the muslims invaded the holy land about 1350 years ago,i am christian by birth,and athiest by choice,but that does not give you the right to vote me out of birth place the way you did the american true natives red indians,and the black of south africa under your family aparthied system,or what your cousins did to the oborigines of australia,a stupid ignorant like you sleeps well at night by denying my history and the right to live in my home country palestine.
by the way i hate islam more than any one walking on this earth my cousin died in a jerusalem bus when hamas exploded a device on the bus,i will not forgive islam for killing her and killing other civilian people.go ahead support zionism i don,t give a damn but do not mess up my history.be fair and balanced when you talk about history.unless you are a white redneck, then i will not blame your ignorance
to mufti marie is right abt
to mufti
marie is right abt most the arabs who call themselfs palistianian.....there are a few pll like u who lived there for long but there arent tht many and even after the roman exile there were jews....u should know tht the first christians were jewish beforehand.
and mufti ur not palistinian the real palistinians perished more than 2000years ago...if u call ur self palistinian then tht means ur family had only lived on tht land for 42 years.
modern day hebrew derives from aramaic and other languages.
eightman, After eliminating
eightman,
After eliminating your nasty and offensive ad hominem arguments and your attempts at creating a straw man,what do we have? Not much.
(1)" The 'palestinians' are an invented people for the purpose of exterminating Jewish rights",
All peoples are "invented" that's human nature ,along with their gods and customs,some might fantasise that they're chosen by a particular sky god, or that they have special priviliges over other humans, as long as they mind their own business I don't have any objection. However, using their delusions as a justification for invasion and disposession is morally indefensible. Writing "Palestinians" as "palestinians" is a chauvinistic attempt to write them out of existence, The fact is that defenceless individuals have and are being driven from their homes after centuries of occupation by ruthless invaders,whatever the victims of this crime are called is irrelevant.
(2) "Jewish rights" what Jewish rights?The fact that Jews lived in a specific area 2000 years ago and that some lived there before 1948 in no way justifies invasion and dispossession,what in the name of reason, gives Jews living outside of the area claim to another person's land. Oh yes, a chauvinistic belief and a 'sacred' text. Many Palestinians are descendants of Bronze Age farmers and have a continuous connection to the area of Israel/Palestine, why are their rights ignored by the "settler" carpetbagers?
(3) "Jewish rights to self -determination," at whose cost ? Of course -the 'non persons', the Palestinians,pay the price. Where have we heard that poisonous justification before?
(4)" I forget,exactly what is the European claim to North and South America,Australia......" Of course,that's why I wrote "what's done is done",perhaps differences in our dialects led to a misunderstanding. Are you really arguing that since Europeans were imperialists in the past that this justifies the invasion of Palestine in the 20th century? You might take notice that, in many of those countries, land has in fact been returned to the indigenous people, not so with Israel.
(5) The Palestinians war of "extermination"? Black humour?
(6) 2000 years of anti-semitism might explain the creation and policies of Israel,however it will never be an ethical justification.
Israel is an extremely tainted "ally" in the anti -jihad struggle.
Marie, "The original
Marie,
"The original Palestinians were not Arabs and ceased to exist thousands of years ago"
"Ceased to exist",where did they go? They were probably wished away by Zionist magicians.
rocky u should know tht there
rocky u should know tht there were no palis before 1967 (unless u rewind back like 2000-2500 years and those were of greek decend)
99% of present day palis are arabs who came to the land during the 19th and 20th centuary thanks to jewish revival of the land.
the palis are no more indegenious than a chinaman in the north pole
rocky is a liar and a
rocky is a liar and a fool
1.'Everyone is an invented people'. What sort of specious crap is this? Talk about moral relativism. When you have no answer and can't answer just say, 'well everbody is bad'. Generification to undermine an argument you cannot win is just ideological sophistry. All of a sudden the histories of nations become so much meaningless historical fodder. So Jewish history of 3000 years uninterrupted habitation and connection to Israel means nothing. But 'centuries of occupation' - what edition of PRAVDA is that out of?(HA!) for 'palestinians' is magically relevant! What better example of anti-Semitism is there. What is of merit for the Jewish antagonist is always permissable and relevant. But these same principles applied to the Jew is 'irrelevant'. Nations are all of sudden 'invented' because the Jews are one of the oldest nations in existence. In what madrass do you think you are rocky?
'Defenceless people' - what sort of defencelessness is it to send 12000 rockets into civilian Israel for 6 years? Or wage terrorism for 50 years? Or have tens of billions of dollars heaped onto you in aid but still cannot feed, clothe or provide infrastructure? So called defenselessness is some sort of 'humanitarian' leftist pass that enables you to kill Jews with impunity and undertake any course of action without any culpability or self-responsibility because it is all the JEWS fault no matter what they do. You say this is not anti-Semitism? Well its not anti-Semitism in a worldview that has Jews labelled as evil ab initio. I suppose that's where you come from.
I write 'palestinians' because these people do not exist. Not in the arab mind or objectively anywhere else -other than for the political expediency of the UN. They have no history, culture or language other than Jew hatred as do their supporters. The 'palestinians' who were selling land to Jews at exorbidant prices in 1941 (as they had been doing for over 50 years before), in the hope that Rommel would break through and digging pits for those same when they would steal back these sales under German occupation.
The 'palestinians' whose supporters think they are entitled to wage war over and over and yet say Israel must go back to square 1. Lets see what happens to Germany when they demand East Prussia back where they have roots ten time longer than any 'palestinian' ever had for where he finds himself. How many wars in Europe will be started then? And how many Germans would be left at the end of them? HA!
Invasion? Which army do you talk about. Because arabs sold land all through the late 19th century and early 20th to Jewish funds dedicated to acquiring the land? The Jews that came to an empty, neglected land in 1880 from Russian pogroms and cleared the swamps, planted trees and made the land productive?
Where the English improperly permitted arab immigration from surrounding countries in order to foment trouble and in order to make a case to the UN to keep their mandate authority - a mandate given to them by the League of Nations to SET UP A JEWISH STATE. It never makes any difference what Jews ever do in a legal or orderly manner, anti-Semites lie through their teeth.
English promises to arabs in WWI never included 'palestine' - pretty clear after 1917 and Feisal in 1919 at Paris. The arabs got the bulk of the Ottoman Empire but of course it is not that they got most of it but it is that the Jews got ANY of it, that is what this is all about. That is what irks this legion of anti-Semites - that a Jew takes breath is their concern - not 'palestinians', that is just the excuse.
2. It is the arabs that did the invading. And you and the world are whining because they lost. NO peace, NO negotiation and NO recognition with Israel was the collective arab wisdom from Khartoum in 1968 in response to Israeli offers to return the territories in exchange for full recognition. NO NO NO. So, now more whining from the anti-Semites that Israel must hold these lands as some sort of 'trust account' for arabs who have been engaged in war and terrorism ever since. Just where do you people get off? You will see this arab garbage wiped out. You think arabs have a right to any number of 'free' attempts to wipe out Israel and you support this endeavour with this drivel that Israel must do this and must do that - give this back and give that back. Now it will be the arabs that will have to do this and have to do that. Terrorism will be visited upon them as they have done for a 100 years. Then your stupid make-believe world will come down around you.
3. When you measure your own rights after being butchered by the world filled with 'humanitarians' by the same standards you can make that calculation for the Jews. Just who do you think you are? arabs have more than 20 failed countries to go to. That is where the 'palestinians' came from, that is where they can go back to or just die where they are. 'palestinians' are non-persons because that is how they predicate their national identity, in terms of Jewish annihilation. You are such a liar. The 'palestininan' constitution still calls for Israel's destruction. You think you are in a brain dead madrass again?
Why don't you try peddling 'palestinian' rights in Jordan, Iraq or Saudia Arabia and see how quickly your will be strung up? Your lies are boundless. There is no-one who hates or oppresses 'palestinians' more than the arabs themselves.
4. The point of European colonialism is made by that which you think it is convenient to ignore. Psychological projectionism practised by fascists like yourself of the left and the right is to project their historical and current misdeeds onto the Jews for psychological exculpation. The JEWS are the indigenous people of Israel and are a beacon to the dispossed of the world that the arbitration of history is not final. The fear of the godless is that there is cosmological merit in the Jewish cause and they will lie, cheat and exercise any calumny to thwart this victory to prove their own godlessness to themselves. You cannot defy the will of God! arab anti-Semitism and motivation by islamic terror is OK - that is 'freedom of religion', but Jewish beliefs because they predate arabism by 2000 years, well that is 'colonialism' and will just not do, right?
5. Extermination of the Jews is always taken lightly as a joke by anti-Semites. You know very well that that is the 'palestinian' and arab creed, kernal and objective since the pogroms of Jerusalem of 1929. Wilful obtuseness and ignorance only cements your credentials as a liar and a miscreant.
6. You are no judge of ethics and you have nothing to inform the Jews about this. 2000 years of anti-Semitism has demonstrated that well enough. The Jews do not care what you think anymore - that is what cuts deepest. Your pronouncements are empty, hypocritical and are just the same trash peddled by Goebbels and that crowd only with different packaging but with the same epistemological hallmarks and teleology.
You are now in bed with the new Nazis, the allies of the old ones. When those who were far greater than you failed, yet they murdered 6 million defenceless, what hope for you now of any success for your ilk and foul friends now that the Jews have guns? Everyone is a hero at killing unarmed Jews. Armed Jews does present unpleasant difficulties, no? No generation of humanity since Rome has been presented with this problem - that is why it so occuppies the minds of such anti-Semites.
As always the inability to answer most of my prior post uses the cover of purported adhominem as a cover. Truth is a defence for slander and calling you a liar is not adhominem. It is as plain as the nose on your face. But then again, truth is always nasty when it stands against you.
Furthermore there is never any merit in arguing with non-falsifiable beliefs. No number of presented facts makes any difference to the ideologue and to argue with such is to lend a credibility and sincerity which is never there. Arguing with an anti-Semitic agenda is like arguing with someone that the earth is not flat. Why go to anymore pointless bother.
The flat earth is what is believed today in islamic countries by religious fiat. These are your clients. And that is why they are the 'great' nations that they are today, spewing out economic, social, religious and political refugees in the thousands onto the West.
@ Rocky: How do you explain
@ Rocky:
How do you explain the fact that most socialist parties/movements/websites have as part of their election platform the "Right of Return for Palestinians?
@ eigthman:
If the Israelis can take Palestinian land, what's stopping Natives from taking back American land?
bravo eightman @anti
bravo eightman
@anti jihad
u just dont get it....palestinians are not real THEY ARE ARABS...arabs came from the arabian pensuela and most of them only came to israel in the 19th centuary.
palestine is an islamic mythical tale spourted out to keep medieval practices such as anti semetism alive in the 21st centuary
eightman, If I can extract
eightman,
If I can extract any coherent thinking from your verbal diarrhea,ethnic/religious narcissism, ad hominem attacks and straw man arguments,it's this-
(1)Jews have superior rights to others in the ME,especially to Arabs,in fact,some people such as Palestinians, don't even exist, some deity or other gives them a right to lord it over lesser beings, ie anyone whose land they covet. A "superman" mentality is a common delusion amongst religious chauvinists, many Moslems are subject to this as well, of course, and Islam is a proselytising religion,which,I'll concede, makes it far more dangerous than Zionism(unless you're a Palestinian of course) then Zionism is deadly dangerous.
(2)" You cannot defy the will of God" What God? Present some logical arguments.I don't believe in any "sacred" book ,they're all human inventions,whenever people can't logically or ethically support an opinion, they resort to invoking some imaginary deity.
(3) I refuted your arguments, your chauvism prevents you from realising this fact.
Instead of one of your irrelevant historical meanderings,I'll present some pertinent historical facts. The Jews were not the only victim of the Nazis or even the most numerous, why are they,amongst all the others, entitled to someone else's land?
@Anti-jihad,
Are people really concerned that recognising the rights of Palestinians will set some sort of legal precedent for indigenous people around the world? Implicit in that concern is a recognition that the Palestinians are indeed indigenous.
"Are people really concerned
"Are people really concerned that recognising the rights of Palestinians will set some sort of legal precedent for indigenous people around the world?"
Of course. Why not? The next you know terrorist al-Jazeera is broadcasting the reconquista efforts of the Native Americans, with their leader pointing to the Palestinian precedent of the right to return.
" Implicit in that concern is a recognition that the Palestinians are indeed indigenous."
You're half-right. I recognize that Israel and Palestine have equally legitimate claims as the indigenous people of israel/Palestine and, like you, do hope that a peaceful solution can be quickly realized to this decades-old festering problem.
But the question still remains: why are socialists such fervent supporters of the Palestinian cause? (Interestingly enough, these people also make up a core constituency of the 9/11 truth movement.)
Anti-Jihad, Yes, of course,I
Anti-Jihad,
Yes, of course,I should have realised the huge threat indigenous people pose in America,Australia etc.,although,if what I see on right wing blogs is accurate, Hispanic people might be about to reclaim the US South West &California.
I'm writing from an Australian perspective,so I'm not sure what you mean by "socialist" ,or the" 9/11 truth movement" ,there are few real socialists left in the world anyway. Progressives, or" the Left" have always been supporters of oppressed people, there would be no progress otherwise. Israel presents itself as a Western style democracy and so should take its medicine and accept legitimate criticism.,rather than claim the support of a Bronze Age sky god. Israel's behavior in the 21st century also reminds us, in former settler societies, of our past,it's unfinished business.