Tajak7 vs the FFI Staff - Part 2

Printer-friendly versionSend to friendPDF versionFrom: Tajak7@aol.com To: FFI Sign of frustration.............why jumping from one topic to another............stay and focus on one topic...one moment u are talking about arabs using the word abd to describe africans...the next you talking about ghairat...etc etc..but u are refusing to answer my question What you say about the prophet is between you and god..i am not here to judge you..i suggest u look at the world almanac...this all started becuase you wanted to show the islam is spreading becuase of the muslim population in the muslim countries while failing to acknowledge that more and more christians,catholics etc are converting to islam...do you need indepth analysis of this? [color=maroon]To Tajak: Tajak, I did not jump from topic to topic. I can retrace our exchange if you like, but I assume that you have all the emails yourself. Okay you specify what is important to you. When you mentioned conversion rates, I asked you why are they so important to you? I gave you the example of that nearly everyone believed the earth was flat and that did not make any one of them correct. It might have made them popular but not right. Why is it important to muslims how many people convert? At the same time muslims totally refuse to believe that anyone is leaving Islam. Nearly all studies show that nearly all converts to islam drop out of islam within the first three years of saying the shahada. I think about 70 to 75% leave islam within the first year. It is a tribute to the strength of the kaafir society that people try different faiths and are willing to convert, experiment and leave again. Nearly all muslim sites will show the kaafirs "reverting" to islam but there is never a mention of those who leave. The growth of islam has very little to do with people "reverting" to islam in reality. It has a lot to do with the very high birth rates in Islam. If you will look at that dispassionately you will realise that is a problem and not something that muslims should be happy about. It shows the problems with their societies and the problems are going to be compounded. But if it is important to you to feel that Islam is popular and there are lots of people accepting it and staying in it, you are most welcome to believe that. doubtless.[/color] To FFI: You mentioned that between 70-75% of the people who convert to islam revert to their religion within their first year-----What is your source for that? What studies have been done? give me any links about these studies? Yes numbers are important to me---numbers do not lie---please dont give me that argument that muslims breed like rabbits.---Muslims-you know and i know that there are muslims who convert to other religions----you are generalizing that muslims do not recognize this. What problems are you talking about in the islamic world----Yes muslims-just like any other society has it own problems.----but it has nothing to do with religion.why are you blaming religion and not personal choices.... again,please when i said that islam is the fastest growing religion---it does not mean that its only muslims who are increasing thier population but others convert to islam at very fast rate. To FFI morning. how are you? i hope everything is well? i amstill waiting for those studies you were supposed to show me.. [color=maroon]To Tajak: Please see: "http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=595008#595008" I have just posted the above. I have not had time to try to look those articles myself yet. Hopefully someone else will remember them as well. doubtless.[/color] To FFI: wow you just proved again that you do know what you are talking about....i gave you about 7 days to research it and this is what you came back with.... I am embarassed at myself for even talking to you....where is your scientific data...you couldnt come up with anything so you gave me a question from other member................. you should be ashamed of yourself... [color=maroon]To Tajak: Tajak7 you are stupid beyond belief!! Here is something for you to listen to [url=http://www.radioislam.com/_asx/PublicAffairs/whynewmleave.asx]Why New Muslims Leave [/url] It is a muslims researcher who is talking and he is: Dr. Ilyas Ba-Yunus, 75% of New Muslim Converts in the US leave Islam within a few years. Here is the information on the gentleman: lyas Ba-Yunus Emeritus Professor of Sociology bayunus at cortland.edu Ph.D., Oklahoma State University Courses taught: Introduction to Sociology, Criminology, Juvenile Delinquency, Corrections, Population and Society, Sociology of Law. Latest publications: "Muslims in North America: Mate Selections as an Indicator of Change"; "Ideological Dimensions of Islam: A Critical Paradigm." Book in progress: The Promise of the 21st Century: The World of Islam and the West. Current interests: political economy, refuge migrations, law in pre-industrial cultures. There are other studies as well. Now stop being an ignorant stupid follower of a pedophile prophet and do your own research and dig the information up. You are incredibly lazy are you not? I was going to look up other studies for you as well, but after you response, learning to find information for yourself will be good for you. Seriously why does Islam rot the brain of a human? here is another muslim researcher, and I am not even showing you non-muslim researh yet. Seriously try to educate yourself. Do yourself a favor. Shiekh Ahmed Katani : "In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity. These numbers are very large indeed". [url=http://www.aljazeera.net/programs/shareea/articles/2000/12/12-12-6.htm]Shiekh Katani[/url] For English Translation : [url=http://www.formermuslims.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=972]English Translation[/url] doubtless.[/color] To FFI: listen......in order to prove something you must have concrete evidence to support your claims..where are your scientific findings that you were talking about,where are the blue prints on how these studies were conducting.. you just merely quoting something..you do not have anything..again you made urself not only fool but ignorant. I can sit here and say that every day 6 millions people die cuz of hunger--does it make it true..unless i can back it up with evidence..which in this case you lack.......... do yourself a favor..........learn more about islam,no wonder you left,maybe it was your home enviroment which prevented u from learning the real islam... [color=maroon] To Tajak: You want to follow up on the study, contact the professor. That is why I gave you his email addres. You can look up Katani's address, can you not? You must have that minimal level of education or you a madrassah trained specialist? The study I quoted were not from your marassah specialists. I guess you did not even notice that. Seriously for your own sake, educate yourself. And for crying out loud if you do not even know what is required for substantiating a sociological research study, at least do not start talking about "blue prints"!! Such studies do not have blue prints. You really do not have much formal education, do you? But you can learn to use your common sense. It is there once you can get this evil cult off your back. Here is hoping that you eventually do and are able to join humanity, doubtless.[/color] To FFI: PERHAPS..i can introduce you Dr.Shaun Gabbidon at Pennstate University--maybe he can explain to u how a research is conducted..I see that I have hit a button..why are you getting upset...goes to show how incompetent you are...I shouldnt of have known that everytime you are cornered you tend to repeat urself over n over with same made up facts.then you start assuming things ... why u assuming i was even educated in the madrassas? you couldnt come up with anything so u tried to take a blow at my education level...... you make me crack up [color=maroon] To Tajak: Are you claiming to be Dr. Shaun Gabbidon at PennState University? Shaun is not an afghani as you claimed to be last time. I assure you, I have just finished reading Shaun's resume http://www.personal.psu.edu/~slg13/ and I will be happy to learn about research methodology in criminal justice area from the good doctor. But when it comes to conducting studies of recent converts to islam, I would rather you contact the Dr. whose email I provided. I am sorry I have to repeat myself to get through to you. I wish you would understand the first time around. You talked about blue prints for a research study? What do you want me to say? I gave you the names and contacts for the muslim professors whose results I quoted. Now you want to talk about the details of their research, their methodology, their analysis, etc. then contact them. Why do you expect that I would have those? I am sorry if you were educated in a madrassah. I assumed that you were not and I was trying to tell you not to be silly about asking that detailed an information about those studies from me. That type of information would be available with the authors. Contact them. doubtless.[/color] To FFI: first of all, i gave that name to tell you the name Gabbidon because you assumed that i do not knwo what iam talkign about when it comes to research second you gave me 'A QUOTE FROM A DUDE OVERSEAS----you hate muslims yet you use their quotes and research date to back up ur claims..you see the irony? anyone can say things but evidence is needed.......I am not saying that people who convert to islam do not go back to their old religion...........but what are the figures..? you providing me an email for one person...........i need more proof [color=maroon]To Tajak: Tajak: The dude overseas is Sheikh Ahmad Al Katani; the president of The Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law in Libya, which is an institution specializing in graduating imams and Islamic preachers. You can find his address or you can contact the libiyan consulate and they can help you. The other dude is Emeritus Professor of Sociology at the Oklahoma State University by the name of Ilyas Ba-Yunus. Okay these guys are not nobodies. I do not have any reason to dispute their results. You do. So if you want to contest their results then you contact them and not someone who was not associated with the studies. I could have given you references of people off the street but I did not. I did not even give you non-muslim references. Why are you seeking proof from me? You do not want to believe me then do not. Who is asking you to believe me? I do not care how many people convert to Islam or convert out of islam. You said it mattered to you and numbers were important to you. I simply showed you two reputable sources showing the magnitude of the numbers of people leaving islam. If you want to pursue the validity of that data then you pursue it with the researchers. I am telling you that there is a lot more information available on the number of people leaving Islam. There is information on people leaving islam in malaysia, india, afghanistan, europe among other places. If this topic interests you then go do research on it. It is not important to me. Frankly I am not sure what is it that you want from me. You wanted a source for the statement I had made and I gave partial of the source to you. I would have spent the time to provide you with a fuller list but you started arguing. Why? I am not interested how many people convert to what. I am sure that Islam has lost its "intellectual" credibility. There is now more and more information about Islam redily available and I know that good people with integerity when they see the real face of Islam, simply leave it. It is not possible to keep fooling yourself to keep following a dead 7th century barbarian from arabia. It is the passionate and the emotionally attached who are unable to think clearly who are clinging to the cult. I accept that there will be many who will do that around the world, but it will even become clear to them that the vitality is gone as the more intelligent people will not be there anymore. doubtless. [/color] To FFI: Ok---2 sources do not do it for me... again you are going to repeat urself over and over.... ok tell me(since u refuesd to tell me where u from) Are you parents still muslim? [color=maroon]To Tajak: Tajek I am not here for social conversation. Why do you want to know? doubtless.[/color] To FFI: not trying to get to know uu.......easy....just want to know if ur parents are still muslim....do you respect them...then they would be followers of this barbarian religion you are talking about [color=maroon]To Tajak: My parents are not alive. It is the integerity of my mother and her love of humanity that started me down the path of acknowledging that Islam was truly evil. Have you ever really really seen the atual treatment of women in Islam? See from another ex-muslim: [url=http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/Younus_Sheikh/IslamWoman.htm]Younus Sheikh on Women in Islam[/url] doubtless.[/color] To FFI: every society has its flaws..you can not sit and claim that you are intelligent human being while ignoring the facts... Are you telling me some the spousal abuse that happens in the islamic world is related to islam or the man being messed up in the head.. Do you need me to put some stats on how often a woman is abused in the western world.,,do i sit here and claim that its becuase they are christians or cathlics.. so why are u makinng that correlations---- YOU KNOW AND I KNOW THAT ISLAM RESPECTS WOMAN....dont judge islam based on the acts of the few.... My freidn you are anti-islamic only----u said u are atheist but u are anti-islamic..why have u not said anything about other religions.... u want to talk about crusades, you want to talk about slavery(i dont wwant to repeat myself) i am sure you get my point....AGAIN I AM NOT DENYING THAT MUSLIMS DONT CONVERT TO OTHER RELGIONS....but what i amsaying is that the conversion rate to islam is much much higher...dont get urself involved in ur own arrogance..u know the truht.. You grandma---seem like she was abused(sorry to hear that)----Again are u athiest or christain [color=maroon]To Tajak: Tajek, You are confusing yourself in desperately trying to hang onto the illusion that Islam is a religion of God. It is not. Ofcourse there are bad people every where and there are good people every where. Most muslims are very good people. Muslims societies could not have survived if the people, ordinary people, were not good. But Islam is what attempts to over ride the good in the muslims. It is not only spousal abuse that is the issue, but Islam cheapens the status of a woman. Islam cheapens the man and woman relation in muslim socities. Half of humanity, all the women, in the muslim countries are essentially locked up and not allowed to be human. Why deny that? Have you ever seen the movie Osama made in Afghanistan? You know and I know that women are very poorly treated in Islam and then there is all the propoganda how Islam is and was so great for women. Islam respects women is the stupid propoganda and the reality is that women are not even treated like humans really. The correlation exists because the laws of Islam. The correlation exists because of the sunnah of muhammed. Muhammed married 11 women and had many female sex slaves. Read what the muslims did in creating harems and having thousands of women locked up in these harems. All that your right hand can possess is in the Quran. That is what allowed the caliphs and the moghuls to institute this slavery of women. And then the rich men in Islam feel they have to change wives. Yes four at any one time but rich men have hundreds of wives over their life time. Imams, muftis, mullahs, have preteen wives in the present. Sheiks flying to hyderabad to marry and divorce girls every day. That is all because islam allows it. That is why the correlation. You can believe what you like, the facts and the truth is out there for anyone to see and read now. The lies that have been told to you and that you are so desperately clinging to will not and do not work anymore. The filthy secrets of Islam and what it does to humans and muslim societies is out and more and more people will know about it. As Younus Sheikh said, Islam is an organsied crime against humanity. Defenders like you will be less and less. Keep watching. doubtless.[/color] To FFI: Ok i got you now..You are indian.(paki) ----it is ludarcris of you to claim that islam does not treat with women with respect.maybe if you have studied islam in its full context(not this cut and paste--part of koran) then you would know the truth......Ya islam allows 4 wives,but i am sure u know the history behind it. my friend your claims are hersay.--its like talking to a girl...(when they gossip and talk) or example: i heard my cousin say that he witnessed the crime----was the invidivual there? was he present there? or what he heard from his cousin? this is exactly what u are doing.............. those mullahs -sheiks ....will answer to allah if they are found to be doign haram things...(not in the name of islam but for their own greedy reasons) HOW ABOUT THE PRIESTS MOLESTING THE CHORUS KIDS IN CHURCHES? so it is safe to assume that all cathlic priests are perv.. my friend u have no evidence..just merely gossping.. [color=maroon]To Tajak: I do not understand you obsession with trying to know by geographical origin. I am not an indian and I am not a pasitani. I have told you that before. But you may believe what you like. Ofcourse the pedophilia of the church priests is reprehensible and criminal, and that is why the church has had to pay billions of dollars, priests have gone to prison and it is condemned by all decent people. As I said there are always bad people every where. But it is only Islam and the sunnah of muahmmed that makes abusing children legal and compliant with Sharia. That is evil. And you defend that!!! Imam Khomenii of Iran wrote that it is within Islamic Sharia to get sexual pleasure from a few month old baby!!! Do you know why? Educate yourself. It is not gossip. See the video of a Bahrain women on TV talking about it: [quote] http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=978 Ghada Jamshir: Authorized by religious law?! Interviewer: Among the Shiites, yes. Ghada Jamshir: Does the Islamic Shari'a authorize mut'ah marriages? Does the Islamic Shari'a authorize mut'ah according to the following classification: "Pleasure from sexual contact with her thighs." They have: "Pleasure from sexual touching." "pleasure from sexual contact with her breasts." "Pleasure from a little girl." Do you know what "pleasure from a little girl" means? It means that they derive sexual pleasure from a girl aged two, three, or four. Interviewer: Let's not go into details... Ghada Jamshir: Let me tell you what "Pleasure from sexual contact with her thighs" means... Interviewer: Don't give me the details... Ghada Jamshir: This is a violation of children's rights! This constitutes sexual assault of the girl. What does "pleasure from sexual contact with her thighs" mean? It means deriving sexual pleasure from an infant. How old is an infant? One year, a year and a half, a few months? Is it conceivable for a grown man to have sex with an infant girl? And you people tell me that the Islamic Sharia authorizes this? Forget about the mut'ah. Now do you want me to show you the Shia Imam Khomenii saying that it is Sharia acceptable to have sex with an infiant?[/quote] Go see the condition of women in Islamic countries. You have been living among the kaafirs for too long. Gossip indeed. Educate yourself and discard this evil that you defend so eagerly. See how Islam turns a man to a killer of his own wife and daughter!!! You think the world is not going to know about Islam now? This is todays story. Keep watching. [quote] http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20566159-5006786,00.html Mother killed after teen rejects Islam Annabelle McDonald and Jeremy Roberts October 12, 2006 A TEENAGE girl's decision to tell her father she was converting from Islam to Christianity sparked a stabbing frenzy that left her mother dead and her father critically injured. Neighbour Caitlin Dalton, 20, heard 17-year-old Kaihana Hussain screaming from the three-bedroom apartment on Queensland's Gold Coast just before 7pm on Monday night. Ms Dalton claimed the girl, who spoke with an accent and did not wear a hijab, later said her father went berserk when she told him she was rejecting Islam. "She just looked like she wanted to be a normal, outgoing girl," Ms Dalton said. "She was saying her parents were really strict on her and really strict Muslims. She was telling her father she was converting from Islam to Christianity. That's when it all started." An autopsy on the teenager's mother, 41-year-old Yasmin Hussain, found she died from a single stab wound to her chest. Her husband, Muhammad Hussain, 49, was in a critical condition at the Gold Coast hospital in an induced coma after suffering a stab wound to his chest. Police have not yet laid any charges in relation to the killing on Monday night, nor have they been able to interview Dr Hussain, a general practitioner who moved to the Gold Coast suburb of Southport from Adelaide less than two weeks ago. In Adelaide, the family's former neighbours and workmates described a quiet and strict father and a devout and forceful mother.....[/quote] doubtless.[/color] To FFI: wow you are one lost individual...so if someone else who committs a bad act then its not blamed on the religion but u tend to blame everything that a muslim does on Islam........what type of logic is this... again you are making up stuff....you hanging by ur last hair,Imam khoemni was fake and who cares what he said ..Where does the sunnah say its ok to abuse ur childeren..whether its physical or sexual.. you are like a boxer scheduled to fight 12 rounds..the boxer looses 11rounds and in the 12 round throws anything he got hoping to land some thing......YOU ARE THAT BOXER... please dont make up anymore baseless facts... [color=maroon]To Tajak: What baseless facts? Imam Khomenii was a fake? How many muslims are shias around the world? Go tell them that he was a fake. I have given you links and references to every statement. You are the one who will be explaining to people why it is not Islam more and more. I have told you that muslims are generally good, it is Islam that makes them evil. You think that father's reaction on hearing that his daughter is leaving islam is an isolated case? Keep lying to yourself. Death penalty for apostates. Burn and kill around the world because someone drew cartoons of muhammed and you want to think that is only individual cases? You are a stupid follower of the pedophile prophet after all. doubtless.[/color] To FFI: are these accusations substantiated by the police findings or what the neighbor had to say? see you are shoulder deep in ur hatred toward islam that you will do anythng to discredit it..but its backfiring on you---- The incident happend today.based on my experience it takes detectives few weeks to months to get the results of the investigation.so why are u so in hurry to jump to conclusions... you are pathetic dude [color=maroon]To Tajak: Read the papers. Read the link. It is confirmed by police. It is all over Australian TV. doubtless.[/color] To FFI: sign of frustration growing...............why u upset...................still does not prove anyting...could be cultural could be religious........................again and again u are disappointing me To FFI: So you trying to turn this debate into Sunni-Shiite? First of all,show me the linK 2nd--if he does say it..He is criminal ..no where in the koran or hadiths say its ok to get sexual gratification from kids.. so let me guess this straight....when the catholics who molested these kids.there were criminals..but when u talk about mullahs (even though u have no evidence) then they did it cuz Islam told them to do......dude does this make sense to you? YOu must repsect the religion...........just like you respect people..when someone trangresses againt u...dont u get mad? so when the belgium dude disrespected mohammad...its one thing..about personal freedom..but it goes away when u insult billion plus people... get ur facts..i am waiting....prepare urself and come back [color=maroon]To Tajak: [quote]Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, The Supreme Leader of Iran, the Shia Grand Ayatollah, 1979-89 said in his official statements: "A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. Sodomizing the baby is halal (allowed by sharia). If the man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister. It is better for a girl to marry when her menstruation starts, and at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven." Khomeini, "Tahrirolvasyleh" fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990 "It is not illegal for an adult male to 'thigh' or enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her." Ayatu Allah Al Khumaini's "Tahrir Al wasila" p. 241, issue number 12 "Young boys or girls in full sexual effervescence are kept from getting married before they reach the legal age of majority. This is against the intention of divine laws. Why should the marriage of pubescent girls and boys be forbidden because they are still minors, when they are allowed to listen to the radio and to sexually arousing music?" "The Little Green Book" "Sayings of the Ayatollah Khomeini", Bantam Books Do a search on the net and you will find a lot more. What do you call your 53 year pedophile prophet marrying a six year old girl?[/quote] The catholic priests were punished. Show me a mullah who has ever been punished for sexually enjoying a three year old or a six year old! It is not even illegal under Islamic law. How can you even make a comparison. Do you have a human soul? doubtless.[/color] To FFI: Show me where mullahs have enjoyed sexual acts with kids.. and wait..since these priests were punished by law ..does it make ok now......they still commited acts against the religion itself. does it make right? they still commited the acts.. ifa mullah committs such act..then he is criminal just like the priest..........what does that have to with islam... where does in sharia law or islam does it say to have sex with minors.............. my brother, you have been watching too much DATE LINE PREDATOR PROGRAMS..where they set up hidden cameras and catch old pervs come thinkign they will have sex with young minors.. get off that To FFI: This guy is a criminal just like the priests who have molested young kids? thats againt islam ..u know and i know that...... This has nothing to do wiht islam..he was a insane man just like when they gave young kids plastic keys to run through mine fields with the war in iraq.... has nothing to do with islam............ YOU ARE ON A ROLL..keep it up....pathetic ----you are embarrassing urself To FFI: where did u get that quote from "atheist favorite quotes'? hahahahahh [color=maroon]To Tajak: This is what you defend: http://www.homa.org/Details.asp?ContentID=2137352748&TOCID=2083225413 doubtless.[/color] To FFI: YOu are a MORON---i just emailed saying this dude is criminal and most of his shiittes do not agree with him and u come back with the same remark...i told he is criminal .responsible for the deaths of alot of kids for sending them into the minefield during the war with iraq............. YOU're very incomptent person............................................there is no differenc between this guy and the priest who molest kids..........................but according to you..its a big difference becuase khoemni happens to be so called muslims....... [color=maroon]To Tajak: Do you understand that the laws of the country and the laws of the church call the catholic priest who abuses a child a criminal and a sinner. You can call Khomenii what you like but Shias around the world revere him. His picture is still all over Iran. You do not like Shias that is upto you but they are about one fourth to one third of the muslims around the world. The muslim mullah are not criminals because the islamic nations do not consider them criminals. The age of consent is first menstruation in many muslim countries. Many girls menstruate by the age of five. Your prophet married a girl six years old and had sex with her when she was nine. In islam the only maturity considered is menstruation and nothing else. Check and see that arab sheiks are marrying girls six and seven years old in the present. See the difference when you compare the catholic priest and the mullah: one the culture condemns it and calls it a crime, and in the other the best human, the last prophet loved by allah, mercy to all mankind etc. etc. married a six year old and had sex with her when she is nine. How can his sunnah be wrong? How can marrying a girl at first menstruation be wrong? How could allah set that as precendent. Calling me moron is not going to fix the barbarism that you are trapped in. You are trying to defend barbaric custom. The more you will defend it, the more you will lose your humanity, and the more of a beast you will become. That is what islam does. That is what I have been telling you. Muslims are good people. They become evil when they find out more about Islam. You can call Khomenii a criminal, but then you should check out Sistani of iraq (and he as website) and he agrees with Khomenii. That is the Sharia for them. The sharia for the sunni is that the sheihk can marry a seven year old if her parents say she is menstruating and he can divorce her in a day or so. See how many yourng girls are being treated that way in India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Ceylon. Open your eyes. You do not have to become a barbaric beast. doubtless.[/color] To FFI: I will get back to u...just didnt have the time to sit on the computer..i will response to ur accusations later To FFI: Again and Again you are just making accusations without providing me any evidence....how many shiiite have you seen walking around saying its ok to have sex with minors or have sex with animals... U MUST lack the mental faculties to understand that wat he said is false...show me where in the sharia law does it make ok to do this type of evil act...SO WHAT HE SAID IT..---you think what he said is being implemented in iran.. FYI---name countries where there is considerable amount of shiite population IRAN-IRAQ-LEBANON---so stop sayign that 1/3 of population is shiite...but dont assume that what he said is ok and being implemented in the islamic world..whether its sunni or shiite jerry falwell--jimmy swagart etc etc were arrested for fraud and sexual assualt----kHOMEINI WAS a cult leader ..HE USED THE NAME OF ISLAM TO FUTHER HIS AGENDA......just like LOuis Farrakhan did in the USA.... you act like uare expert--show me how girls are treated in malaysia indonesia...etc etc.....you are debating me...show me what you are claiming... Sistani can go to hell along with khoemeni They dont reprsent Islam get ur facts straight............................its like saying KKK represent the christians o [color=maroon]To Tajak: I show you a tv clip running on arab tv talking about mutta and you do not belive it. You think they would have that for no reason? Look up what misyar marriages are that she is criticising. If you ask the shia they tell you their proportion is one fourth to one third of the muslim, and if you ask a sunni arab he will tell you that the shia are one tenth to one eigth of the muslim population. Pick either one and that is a lot of people. But you do not want to acknowledge them as muslims that is your personal opinion, they are part of OIC and sit among the muslims the world over. Comparing KKK to shia is silly. KKK is not even a religious organisation. When I find the sources for you then you moan two is not enough and you will not search yourself. You started talking about pedophilia of the priests and I showed you that they are criminals because the society holds them as criminals. Islamic society does not consider pedophilia a crime. I showed you and you dissmiss that as Shia. Then I show you that muhammed your prophet married a six year old and had sex with her at nine. Is that pedophilia or not? Then I tell you that the age of marriage in many muslim countries is first menstruation and you can look up whether there are girls as young as five years who menstruate or not? You do not want to see, and ask for proof. What proof do you want? Do you want proof that muhammed married a six year old child? Do you want proof that the age of marriage is first menstruation in muslim sharia? Do you want proof that arab sheiks are marrying children even in the present day and age? What proof do you want? Why do you not do your own research a little and see? [quote] [url=http://www.emro.who.int/publications/emhj/0601/06.htm]WHO Publication[/url] This is a health article: Marriage during puberty is believed to ensure early fertility of the married couple [22]. The average age of menarche worldwide is approximately 13.0 years [23]. Girls require about 2-3 years to achieve physical and biological maturity after the onset of menstruation [24, 25]. Thus girls who marry and conceive before their 16th birthdays are not yet fully prepared for the demands of the childbearing period. In Saudi Arabia there is no minimum legal age for marriage. As in other Arab countries, it is known to have high rates of early marriage at ages close to menarche, a practice related to traditions and beliefs [26]. [/color][/quote] Have you ever lived among the muslims? Or are you merely grown up among the kaafirs? Why does Saudia Arabia not have a minimus legal age for marriage? Why have they set it at first menstruation? Why have many other muslim countries also set the age of marriage at first menstruation? Do you see it is considered normal among the real muslims to emulate muhammed and marry just before first menstruation and start having sex at first menstruation. Go ask your middle eastern friends. doubtless. To FFI: i have not forgotten.i will answer in the morning To FFI: I just want to know how much was paid to convert you from Islam to christianity or whatever you are.. I just find it hard to argue with you becuase you keep repeating yourself over and over. stick to one subject and talk about it--dont jump around topics. Idiot--Do you know the meaning of kuffar--kafir is someone like you..someone who leaves Islam--Christians are Issay--jews are yahoods....How much respect should i have for you now with that statement. you are just merely talking out of the other side of your body..you have no proof. "oh the sheiks are marrying young girls at puberty,,,etc etc" you lack credibilty. what do you know about the mormons in Utah-What do you know about David Koresh? 2006----things have changed...girls at young age were also practiced in Europe also.. things have changed around the world.... i will talk to you later my dall and chawal eating,pan spitting friend [Note: Dall means lentils, chawal is rice, and pan is betel leaf; An attempt to insult because Tajak is convinced I am pakistani or indian. doubtless.]. [color=maroon]To Tajak: Tajak, so you could not come up with anything to refute my showing you that muhammed was pedophile since he married a six year old. I have shown you a WHO medical report which clearly states that a lot of arab men still marry girls "around the age of first menstruation", and that the saudi arabian law does not have a minimum age but first menstruation, and the average age of first menstruation is 13 years around the world. And all you can come up with is how much I was paid? Where is your humanity? Where is your conscience? I repeat myself because you try to close your ears and will not listen. You dissmiss Khomenii, sistani and shias as muslims. No one paid me a penny. I have not received a penny ever. I volunteer my time even at FFI. Why? To talk to muslims like yourself and to show them the true face of Islam. If you will have any humanity in you and if you have a conscience then it will stick with you and you will try to get beyond Islam's propoganda. If not then you will stay stuck in your evil cult. You do not know your Islam at all. Kaffir is not an apostate. An apostate is a murtad. Anyone who rejects muhammed and Allah is a kaafir according to Islam. All isaay and yahoodi and hindus and buddhist and chinese of today, all non-muslims of today have heard of Islam and have heard of muhammed and they have not accepted Islam. By definition they are kaafirs. And Allah promises in the quraan that all the kaafirs will burn in hell. And you believe that this is a merciful allah that will burn most of his own creation? You think that those who are leaving islam are paid? Those who are leaving Islam are the ones who have a brain and intelligent enough to see the facts. Those who get emotional and get caught and are unable to think for themselves because they are terrified like little children that allah will burn them in hell fire, they stay stuck in Islam. David Koresh was a cult leader like Muhammed. David koresh got what he deserved but muhammed became very very successful. Mormons of Utah practice polygamy but to join the US union agreed that they would not practise polygamy but some of them still do but they break the country laws. doubtless.[/color] To FFI: I have shown its more prevalent in the Western Society then in the Islamic world....I am not denying that some girls not married off at young age..but be rational..do you reall think all arabs marry young girls..again you are juding all based on the acts of fews...just becuase there is no law does not mean the practice is common--again its 2006, things have changed.this was also practiced in the european society and its still happens with Mormons--perhaps you should look up FBI.Gov-----and see whythe leader was captured. You talk about khemeni,sistani etc....Hilter killed 20million russian,6million jews etc..he was a leader, he said these people were inferior and should be killed..What he did to the people make it right,after all he was a leader--- Khomeni and sistani..even if they were sunnis..i would still consider them as criminal like the priest.but ur logic is weak...you telling me that the preiest were atleast punished and looked down upon --does it make it right..they did it....how many times have you been to Iran or Iraq to see if the thing you talk about are being implemented.HERSAY YOU ARE LOST CAUSE...Whoever so allah lets go astray,no one can guide him/her----this is the category you fall into. you are tryign to twist the meaning of the word kafir...you know and i know that you are kaffir.---you were born as muslim and now u reject allah and his prophet(pbuh) I as a muslim do not know if i am goign to hell or heaven..u know its haram to say that...Allah knows best--who will enter heaven and hell.Allah judges people. you left Islam cuz your grandmother was in a abusive relationship---its called domestic...domestics have nothing to do with islam....A coward man beats his woman--- go wiat outside for you space shuttle to come..the aliens will come and take you to heaven. please for god sake..come back with something that makes sense.. [color=maroon]To Tajak: This is my last email to you. You have demonstrated that you do not have a human heart. You are stuck in your evil cult. Your prophet the prophet for all time and for all men and a mercy for all creation set a precedent by being a pedophile. And you keep comparing him to ordinary criminals in the west. That is your criteria to justify Islam? You have not shown anything about western society at all. All you have shown is that pedophilia is a crime in the west while I have shown you that 20% of the arabs are marrying little girls even now in the present legally. You are an example of why Islam is evil and what it does to human conscience. You can go worship the evil man, and defend your evil cult. I know that I cannot reach everyone. I will no longer waste my time trying to show you the facts. They are there for anyone who has the slightest humanity in his heart to see. regards, doubtless.[/color] To FFI: Typical pan eater...when u cant handle the truth..you run with your tail between ur legs Kala 20%-----you cracked me up man..seriously, you should go join the circus..you will fit right in clown..making up stats just to make urself intelligent.. You lack common sense,mental faculties,knowledge---you act like you are expert on issues..but you lack credibility...you make up stuff just becuase you cant come back with the proof...You judge all muslims based on the acts of few---where is ur logic.. You talk about saudi arabia---then make up 20% to show that its common amongst the arabs,,but you forgot i am afghani..but then again you are biased.what the saudis or arabs does not have to do anything with afghans--even if a fraction of its tru...it has more to do with culture and customs then religion..but u are so deep in ur hatred toward islam that you dismiss it and cant see whats infront of you. I dont worship mohammad..i worship allah..you imbecile---- please for your own good...dont talk about subjects that you dont have any knowledge off.. (whats happening to girls in saudi,indonesia or iran or iraq..you have not been there)- its like me sitting here and talking about what the average goes throught in the occupied Kashmir.. Ok coconut oil user...............i will see u judgement day inshallah.when u wil be made an example to the mankind [Note: Attempts at insults: pan eater : betel leaf eater; Kala: 'Blackie' Pukhtoon are lighter colored than the pakistanis or indians from the plains. Coconut oil user: It is a custom among the plain dwellers to use oil in hair. doubtless] [color=maroon]To Tajak: You are now attempting to abuse thinking I am a pakistani or an indian. I am neither, but it shows how low you are willing to sink. But you have already demonstrated that. You are a muhammedan. You have been taught to repeat like a machine that you do not worship muhammed but that you worship allah, but everytime you pray you take the name of muhammed you praise him and you bless him. You name muhammed as many times as you take the name of allah. For all practical purposes you worship that evil barbarian. The world is starting to see the evil that is Islam and you will find fewer and fewer people willing to be tolerant towards your lies and your evil cult. doubtless.[/color] To FFI: First of all, you lost credibility--you said u were not goign to respond.typical idiot What is mohammadan? did you fall into the trap of westerners who are ignorant and refer to muslims as mohammadans..u should know better..that its not the case...u being a former muslim..you should of have known better then to use that term. second..U KNOW THERE IS NO ONE WORTHY OF WORSHIP EXCEPT allah and mohammad is his prophet.---i worship allah and follow in the path of mohammad pbuh..his sunnah..u know and i know that... you keep disappointing me my kaffir friend... To FFI I am very convinced that someone payed you couple of rupees to leave islam...i am not here to judge you..but its sad man [Note: Couple of rupees is slightly less than 0.05 US dollars. doubtless] [color=maroon]To Tajak: See: [url=index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=556]Umair[/url] It is depressing to see how a muhammed worshipper like you are willing to sell their soul for nothing at all? Torture and misery for the children of the world? May the powers that be have pity on you and your descendants for you condemn them as your parents have condemned you. doubtless. [/color] To FFI: awwwwwww look the coconut oil using,lice infected,curry powder half reject indian sperm is mad at me...Is this how u deal with truth... run..something which u are good at doing... see you on judgdment day... [url=index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=558]For Part I Click Here[/url]