Smart Muslims and their Logical Fallacies

The man should follow his intelligence not some dogmatic things. Best is comparing the main teachings and moral guidance of all religions. Except Islam, all other religions has lots of similar teachings. Take a denominator of all these common things and we see that these can guide us in life. Just like our way of life is evolving, not all religious teachings are of any validity today. Also humans have to understand that God loves diversity and thats why so called great man or prophets are from many regions.
Only Islam allows to kill people to others for there teachings and way of life.
Earlier many people used to die due to various diseases, and the religious people used to say that since God wills it he is suffering and so his sins are the main reason for suffering. But now doctors and medical science can cure many of these past uncurable and dying diseases. God wants us to know that we should 'realize' the beauty of life and work towards human development.

Ali Sin is working for the Rightwing Amerian Fascists... He thought they were going to offer her Sarah Palin for a one night stand...

"I am sure that if you see little girls running around naked you will not and cannot get aroused sexually. The only feeling a normal man can have for a little girl at that tender age is paternal feelings"

Resentment creates a hunger in the soul, for a person is now outspired rather than inspired. Lust replaces love. Spiritual food replaced by flesh.

Murder in the heart creates a sexual attachement towards those they violate. To fill themselves with the judged for salvation. Aisha was the first and not the last.

The AtheistKurd is here to prove that cultists are all the same. Whether they follow Muhammad, Hitler or Marx their scull is filled with dung.

Dear Ali Sina,

How you write so nice English despite being Iranian. Moreover You often use some philosophical terms. Have u read philosophy?

The Bible told Christians to have one wife and one husband and treat your wife as yourself. Greek did pedo but most didnt do it. Muhammad must have had a skinny penis to enter a nine year old girl as Arab women are not big women or girls. He must have been an old behind skinny penis smelly Bedoin to even desire a baby.

AtheistKurd,

You have a foul mouth dripping with BS. What does your comment have to do with this posting? Or did you just want to show the world how much of an idiot you are. You succeeded in this venue, thats for sure.
Peace to all, especially good Muslims out there. I'd like to see some logical answers from you Muslims to what Sina is saying...anyone up to it out there ?

"At the age of 18 Aisha became a widow and his other wives were all but one or two, in thier twenties. Didn’t they have sexual urges?"

I say:

They probably slept with Muhammed's warriors ( except wives like Safiya who were forced to marry the pig )after he died.

Hey Ibn, how you doin' brother?

I doubt that any Muslim will take up the challange and try to dispute what Sina has said. For they know that what He has said is true.

Muslims are fast becoming embarrassed and ashamed of Muhammad and his Islam. No person who knows the real truth about Muhammad could respect that pathetic little turd. That mass murdering, pedophile thief.

It is finally dawning on many Muslims that Islam is the fraud of that sick little mad man.

Hello Saleem, hope you are well brother
thanks for the comment
Peace

Hassan Ali claims that a Muslim can legally marry four wives. Very well, but he fails to mention the UNLIMITED number of concubines/sex slaves allowed.

Also, Hassan fails to mention the overlooked Shia practice of "temporary marriage".

Ali Sina:
"Assuming pedophilia was a norm, which is not true, did Muhammad come to follow the bad practices of the people whom he arrogantly called ignorant or did he come to set a better example?"

Well said, brother.

Muslims rise-up and leave Islam and Mohammed - he has been exposed. Now you cannnot hide under cover of ignorance. Either you counter the claims - which I doubt you can - or leave Islam - dont be stubborn. It is never too late to start a new life.

Smart muslims A very good example of oxymoron.If moslems acquire some smartness they leave the evil cult islam and are no longer moslems!.Only the stupid, idiotic criminal minded cretins follow what the pedophile rapist preached and remain faithful moslems.Hence logical fallacies are of the moslems and smart moslems!
The pimp allah has no answer for internet!
Oh the communal head banging has started very early today, as today is the end of the madness month the ramadhan! I saw a horde of skull capped cretins rushing to the mosque.Thought how can such large number of people be so very stupid. But tha's life

Jesus (Isa)
Muhammad

Jesus is God (John 1, Col. 1) and here. Jesus forgave sins and dispelled demons in His own name. He said "I and the Father are one".
Muhammad admitted he is only a man (Surah 18:110)
Jesus raised Himself from the dead (Matthew 28:6) and rose into heaven in front of many witnesses.
Muhammad remains dead
His Birth, Life, Death, Resurrection was foretold by numerous prophets. See here

Proverbs 30:4 (written 700 B.C./1300 yrs before Muhammad): "...What is His name, and what is His son's name, if thou canst tell?" Nothing predicted about Muhammad. The "Comforter" was the Holy Spirit Jesus promised the apostles.

Jesus lived a sinless life (2 Corinthians 5:21). Allah himself refers to Muhammad as sinful (Surah 40:55, 48:1-2).

Jesus did numerous miracles to prove His divinity, including raising the dead and command over nature (All Gospel writers and Josephus). While teaching his apostles Jesus said; "Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves" (John 14:11 and Matthew 9:2-7)
On two occasions in the Qur'an Muhammad admitted he could do no miracles to show any sort of divinity or divine calling (Surah 17:90-95; 3:183, also see: 29:50-51)
Jesus cared for His enemies (Matthew 5:43-44). Jesus promised to save those who believe and trust in Him.
Killed his enemies and anyone who disagreed with him (Surah 9:5)
Held a high view of marriage and hated divorce - as God the Father does (Matthew 19:7-8).
Muhammad commanded his adopted son to divorce his wife so that she would become his (Surah 33:36-38)
Accurately prophesied many verifiable events that took place after His time (Matthew 24). Delivered only one -questionable- guess/prophecy about the Romans winning a future battle. No date or place given. (Surah 30:1-4)

Jesus gave his disciples authority to drive out evil spirits and to heal every disease and sickness (Matthew 10:1; Mark 6:12-13) Muhammad gave his followers the authority to wage war on unbelievers.
Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to unbelievers. (Surah 48:29)

Jesus told his disciples not to ask for money, and not to carry money with them. (Matthew 10:8-9, Luke 10:7)
Muhammad instructed his followers on how to divide booty they seized from unbelievers. He insisted on 20% for himself.

Jesus said to his followers that if anyone will not welcome you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. (Matthew 10:14-15, 23)
Muhammad ordered Muslims to attack any city that rejected Islam.

Jesus told his followers to get ready, because unbelievers would flog them, arrest them, and put them on trial (Matthew 10:16-19)
Muhammad told his followers to fight (militarily) hard against unbelievers.

"Kill the Mushrikun (unbelievers) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush..." Surah 9:5. Also see Surah 9:29.

Jesus washed his disciples' feet.
He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself. After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded. John 13:4-5, 12-17

One day after battle, Muhammad came back home and said to his daughter Fatima, "Wash the blood from this sword and I swear in the name of Allah this sword was obeying me all the time." Muhammad then took the swords of his friend Ali ibn Abu Talib and washed them for him.

Jesus never took up a sword or encouraged anyone else to do so. Once a close follower took it upon himself to take up a sword. Jesus soundly reprimanded him. Jesus warned; "all who take the sword will perish by the sword" (Matthew 26:52)
According to Muslim scholar Pickthal, "the number of campaigns (military) he (Muhammad) led in person during the last ten years of his life is twenty-seven, in nine of which there was hard fighting. The number of expeditions which he planned and sent out under other leaders is thirty-eight" (n.d., pg. xxvi)
Jesus said: "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? (Matthew 5:44-46)
Surah 9:29: PICKTHAL: "Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture (Christians & Jews) as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low."

Jesus's last message to his followers about himself and his mission:
Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Luke 24:46-47

Muhammad's last speech to his followers on Mt Arafat:
....."I descended by Allah with the sword in my hand, and my wealth will come from the shadow of my sword. And the one who will disagree with me will be humiliated and persecuted."

Reference: Ibn Hisham (828 A.D., "The Life of Muhammad", 3rd ed., pt. 6, vol. 3 (Beirut, Lebanon: Dar-al-Jil, 1998), p. 8

Nikephoros Phocas,
Temporary marriage is not a shia only phenomenon. While it is mutah marriage for shia's, it is misyar marriage for sunni's. Both can have as many sexual relations outside of marriage without even telling their wives and it is all permitted by their pedophile Mohammad.

ISLAM-RISE OF THE DEVIL Comment ID #22963
September 21, 2009 • 8:36 am

Jesus (Isa)--Paul the lunatic
Muhammad -- Allah the Pimp

Fanatic and lunatics are the ardent followers of the above two and their alter Ego .

Keep it up Lunatics LOL

Hello Mr Sina

You have said it right.
I like the conviction with which you say 'read my book, by the time you finish it, you will leave islam'.
It is very true, I have left Islam now, though i had my reservations about it, i condemned all things evil there-in, even while i was young, but couldn't step out of it, but your book brought me good understanding of what islam really is.....a HOAX, NONSENSE, RUBBISH, just to mention a few.

I am an atheist now, and a very happy one.
I realised we don't need to worship anything/anyone in other to live well, we only just have to be good to mankind, not be selective as islam preaches.

Islam is NONSENSE!!!
Thanks Mr Sina, thanks alot.

This is going to short:

"If the first wife is feeling and can’t take care of herself and if and only she allows then the man can marry another woman"

Wrong. The Quran no where mentions that.

"If the first wife allows him to marry another wife and if he can take care of them equally treat them equally"

Again Wrong. The first wife's permission is disputed among scholars. Some think permission should be obtained. Majority do not recognize this permission, as any divine (God given right) permission overrides that of a human. A wife can not prohibit something, that God has allowed (IF in fact God did allow polygamy and that is one big IF). Some however argue that wife's permission should be asked, but even if she says no, one should go ahead. So it remains just a formality.

"note:first wife should allow".

Wrong. See previous answer.

I find it strange that you along with other males who claim their are scholars, can know exactly what Allah means. If God wanted men to marry more one wife, because:

1) the male sexually drive is percieved to be extremely high by muslim scholars (although no science really backs that up and men are struggling with one wife as it is) and so that man has some natural need to have sex with more than one woman (really we are just talking about a selfish fetish for harems and you rarely hear men marrying older or mature women, or women with children, no in fact the second, third, fourth wives are today younger, beautiful, virgins and often just sexual objects),

2) the women outnumber the men and it is assumed that all women want to marry and share husbands with other women (completely ignoring the basic psychology of women with regards to jealousy and possessiveness),

3) because women are poor (how about supporting them financially without wanting sex for it? Or better yet how about that fact that times have changed and thus women are not financially independent although even Khadijah is claimed to have been a business woman who was wealthy and of high social status yet single and widowed and thus this "need" to marry for social security no longer prevails as it may have done 1000 years ago)

4) men can allegedly treat all women equal. But funny thin is that Allah himself states in the Quran that men can NOT treat all wives equally why having one wife is better. So are you saying Allah is lying? Who knows better? Man or Allah? Another observation, many of the socalled scholars tend to almost always deliberately not mention this verse from the Quran becasuse they know this would remove the mans right to have more wives and thus put an effective stop to the condition of many women as objects of desire and lust.

It is very strange how one or anybody can claim to be a muslim yet has not read the Quran. Same applies to many converts who often base their knowledge on what their boyfriend tells them or their friends. Studying the Quran is not that difficult. Afterall it is a duty upon any believer. So it really gets silly when same people cook up some home made version of Islam and seek to comment on issues.

Ok so this was not short but then intention was there. Sue me.

Hi Ali,
I would like to ask you one question regarding Muhammad. He killed many people and had their women as sex slaves, wives, concubines and what not. In short he killed relatives, dear ones of these women/girls and then took them to bed. As you mentioned in your book Khadija was a "Codependent" and feeding his narcissistic psyche. But all these women must not be like khadija. Some of these women must be burning inside out with anger and eager to take revenge. They could have easily assassinated him in bed while he was raping them or through poisoning. The fatal poisoning of Mohammad was by a woman but she was totally outsider. Logically speaking there must be at least couple of attempts from his sex slaves ( I can't say wives, as it insults marriage institution ). Do you came across any reference anywhere that there was attempt on his life? I couldn't get this in your book. or have I missed it in your book?
Samir

Logical Fallacies are found when ever a blind believer start Arguing or one may say Barking. ( They want to bark and out-bark their opponents , that's the reason why some Muslims want to challenge Ali Sina to have a verbal debate with Jerk off Zakir )

Logic and rationalities have no meaning as far as the fanatic cultists are concerned. They are the People of the Book/s Koran/ Bible only.

Their arguments are based upon what God or Allah has said or has to say ( as if they are in direct contact with both the heavenly Things LOL) as if they have the Mobile Number of God/Allah to find out the latest opinions of the God/Allah etc.

On this site FFI more then the Muslim fanatics the Christian fanatics are more active to entice the innocent Apostates of Islam .

I am not bashing the Christians Marie dear or for that matter IbnKM & Co.

Peace dear.

I love it when these "smart" muslims debate with Ali Sina.

Pobre hombre,so cocky & confident at first,only to have his last bit of hope for Islam crushed.
Hey,why don't you try to convice Ali Sina that Muhammad was not insane & not a murderer.Use the Qur'an & Hadith to prove your prophet's innocence.

Hi Samir,

Muhammads’ wives were all young. Some of them were brainwashed, like the daughters of Abu Bakr, Omar, Jahsh and Abu Sufyan and thought he was a prophet. Those who could have assassinated him were Juwairyah, Safyah and Rayhanah. But they were 20, 17 and 15 years old respectively – too young for daring such an act. Where would they find the poison? They were living in a town that was entirely under the control of Muhammad with a population that had become cultist and extremely dangerous. Assuming they killed him with a knife when he was asleep, how would they escape? They were living in the mosque surrounded by many bodyguards. If they could get out of the mosque, where would they go? Medina was a fortress and the gates were controlled. If they got out of the town, where would they go? Their relatives were all killed and their towns were sacked. There was no place to go. They most likely had female relatives who had become slaves of another Muslim, whom they could visit once in a while, find solace in each other and cry together when no one was watching. Out of Medina there was nothing left for them.

I am working on an article that explains how psychopaths control their victims through fear and paralyze them to the extent that they don’t escape even when they can. This is an important piece missing in my book which I am going to add to the next edition, but I will publish it in the site as well for those who have already read the book.

Samir,

The only successful attempt of trying to kill prophet Muhammad was, as you rightly noted, the jewish woman who sent him some poisoned lamb from which he eventually died.

However, the rape of Safiya/Safiyya bint Huyay/Huyayy, does reveal something interesting:

Safiyah was born in Medinah. She belonged to the Jewish tribe of Banu 'I-Nadir. When this tribe was expelled from Medinah in the year 4 A.H, Huyaiy was one of those who settled in the fertile colony of Khaibar together with Kinana ibn al-Rabi' to whom Safiyah was married a little before the Muslims attacked Khaibar. She was then seventeen. She had formerly been the wife of Sallam ibn Mishkam, who divorced her. One mile from Khaibar. Here the Prophet married Safiyah. She was groomed and made-up for the Prophet by Umm Sulaim, the mother of Anas ibn Malik. They spent the night there. Abu Ayyub al-Ansari guarded the tent of the Prophet the whole night. When, in the early dawn, the Prophet saw Abu Ayyub strolling up and down, he asked him what he meant by this sentry-go; he replied: "I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, and till recently she was an unbeliever. I was really afraid for you on her account". The Prophet prayed for Abu Ayyub al-Ansari (Ibn Hisham, p. 766) Safiyah had requested the Prophet to wait till he had gone a stage away from Khaibar. "Why?" asked the Prophet. "I was afraid for you on account of the Jews who still happened to be near at Khaiba.

The reason this "union" can only be termed as rape is that a 17 year old young woman, who was married to her husband only a few hours ago, whose husband (Kinana ibn al-Rabi) was tortured as he refused to reveal some hidden treasure and then killed, whose father and brother were also killed by the enemy tribe, in this case Muhammad's tribe, who was then distrubuted alongside the other women and children as war booty among the winning tribe, can not realistically be assumed to then voluntarily marry and have sex with the enemy only a few hours after such deeply traumatic and all devastating events. The fact that Abu Ayub al-Ansari felt the need to guard the tent while during the "consummation" (rape) as he feared the safety of prophet Muhammad, clearly underlines that there was a real risk to the prophets life. This logic is conveniently ignored by many Muslims. If this happened today (well it did, in Abu Ghraib), this would be called war crime and rape. Afterall, I do not know of any Muslim female who will aftering having her entire family killed, then marry and then sleep with the enemy. She had no chance or time to even mourn and when you are a prisoner of war, you do not have the free will to say no when your master/captor demands something, and certainly not intercourse.

“A Biography of the Prophet of Islam, – in the light of the original sources” by Dr. Mahdi Rizqullah Ahmed, published in Medina in November 2005
collaborates this story and concludes the "marriage" was a marriage of force.

So there could most likely (in light of the events portrayed in the biographies about prophet Muhammad and the hadith collections) have been further attempts to kill him.

Nikephoros:

Also, Hassan fails to mention the overlooked Shia practice of “temporary marriage”.

I say:

Temporary marriage: Prostitution.

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Hi Ali,
This sounds logical and convincing. It really wonders me, how all the psychopaths/narcissists being cult personality controlled all their followers. In your book there is reference of Jim Jones abusing little girl and she herself justifying FATHER being always right. I need to dig out little bit more about Brainwashing psychology. I would be waiting for your article.
Regards,
Samir

@light
thanks for the info. I knew there was such thing, but not sure if that was paranoia of his followers or really Safiyah's intends.

Samir,

Ok. Well it is unlikely that any woman who lost her entire family to the enemy, would sleep with enemy. She would pose a threat. So I think Ayub's worry was sincere as suspicion is prohibited in Islam.

I know there was a poet who criticized prophet Muhammad and the people who converted to Islam in those times and questioned why somebody did not kill him. Her name was Asma Bint Marwan, a Medinan pagan. So he had her killed in her sleep in march 624.

Ei, when I referrred to "temporary marriages" as a Shia practice, I did not rule out a SIMILAR Sunni practice. It's just that this type of a relationship is more often than not associated with the Shia.
Moreover, please keep in mind that Nikah Mutah and Nikah Misyar, though similar, do have their major differences.

I loved this article! I prefer reason over revelation, because except by some people felt great but subjective “feeling”, there seems to be no real evidence of revelation. Hence I agree with Ali Sina that Islam too is manmade. This changes all.

Because it is preferable to be allowed to change, improve, amend texts of laws or inspiring books, at least in part. At least where the texts are unclear, ambiguous, prone to abuse. As Muslims themselves acknowledge about their holy texts, when they claim that their religion is so often “hijacked”.

But clarifying, improving, updating legal and inspiring texts is not possible with dogma’s from revelation, because it is supposed to be perfect until the end of times, some big cataclysmic event in the future. But with manmade laws and inspiring books it is possible to improve, clarify, update, as much as a majority of us or even inspiring writers find it desirable.

Islam thus has become a big obstacle for progress, almost from it’s inception, but certainly after the heyday of Islamic power. Because Islam not only let its followers cling to at least partly obsolete texts, but in so doing also prohibits and prevents them often to augment the good parts of Islam with the always growing and improving general great knowledge and insights reached by mankind over time. Which may also be viewed as divinely inspired!!!

So; if we are against Islam, it is primarily because Islam blockades progress, development, BETTER IDEAS & PRACTICES, in our minds, family-relations and societies, which is what we are FOR. Islam has become a millstone around mankind’s neck.

Marie:

Temporary marriage: Prostitution.

I say:

Their normal marriage practice (more than one wife) is also prostitution . The girl who is ready to marry a already married man is nothing more than a Prostitute, it does not matter if her Father is compensated in the form of Mahr .

so i see that the islam being followed in iran is pretty much different than in pakistan, there is no concept of temporary marraiges here. people only marry when their wives die or after divorces here.
and guys least muslims marry, from what i learn from statistics, most non muslims are born bastards, they dont know their father or mothers. least muslims are better off that way.
and guys please state proof that muhammad killed people himself and that he had sex slaves and concubines.
no offence m8s but lets discuss this out like grown ups with no offensive language, i used the word bastards for lack of a better word cus i am also from a non english speakin community.

and dude i read ur book, it aint so magical as you claimed, please try again.
and guys lets take this on my email, its saaduh@hotmail.com.
say all you want to me, if your mail looks like it require an answer i will give it and if it looks like it requires someone to bear the brunt and read swear language, i will do so and wont reply.
take your pick, you wanna just swear against islam with no one to defend it or you wanna actually batt someone with your queries or you are simply here to justify your mistake of leaving islam by agreeing with others that islam truly is false, every case is moot without a defence.

its saaduh @ hotmail, same as the name i am postin from

no response guys!!
do u guys only like hording up on an occasionally answerable muslim???

"no response guys!!"

You are the impatient muslim. Before you asked response, why don't you response the horrific act of muslim worldwide.

"so i see that the islam being followed in iran is pretty much different than in pakistan, there is no concept of temporary marraiges here. people only marry when their wives die or after divorces here."

What is your point here? Sectarian? Shi'ite is better and the truth? Temporary marriages are practices by muslim in my country which is another form of legal prostitution. About marry and divorce, man can easily divorce his wife.

"and guys least muslims marry, from what i learn from statistics, most non muslims are born bastards, they dont know their father or mothers. least muslims are better off that way."

What statistics? Explain the details.

"and guys please state proof that muhammad killed people himself and that he had sex slaves and concubines."

So did you mean that Gengis Khan, Hitler, Pol Pot, Saddam etc were innocent too because they never kill people themselves? About sex slaves, remember the story of Marie the Copt? or the salves trade? or his followers who raped captured woman? About concubines, is a misnomer. Your prophet had many wifes, and between them there are favourites (wifes) and less favourites (concubines).

saaduh:

"so i see that the islam being followed in iran is pretty much different than in pakistan, there is no concept of temporary marraiges here. people only marry when their wives die or after divorces here"

I Say:

Are you trying to say that Pakistan is the true Islamic Country which follows the Sharia laws?

Are you saying that True Muslims (Arab people not the converted like you) are disregarding the Islam by Marrying second wife, third wife or so one before their spouse dies or they divorce her?

Do not insult Islam by Calling Pakistan a true Islamic Country however you can call the Taliban controlled area so.