shahayda vs FFI Staff II

Printer-friendly versionSend to friendPDF versionFrom: FFI To: shahayda naz Date: May 25, 2006 6:28 AM Subject: Re: ok ok ok On 5/25/06, shahayda naz wrote: u seem to me like u are 40 ot 50 yrs old... y u calling me a "child"? are u an old man huhhh ok im not fighting with u i just want to know that y u taking a minor thing n ignoring the rest i mean the great miracles of QURAN look i know u dont like this relegion y thats y u saying all this... but i do like just think if u like u something n some1 else say something about it u will feel the same like im doing... i was a born muslim i didnt understand this relegion when i was 6 7 8 9 10 yrs ol neither when i was 14 15 ..... i asked a question to my mum that mum y we are a muslim y not christian indian or whatever ..i was 16 on that time... my mum didnt say anything like "how dare u say like this shut up blah blah blha " but she only asked me to read n translate go to ur molvi(islamic teacher) i did so ... today im proud of being a muslim u showing me this all will not make any deifference in my faith ACCORDING TO ALLAH SUBHANAWATHALLAH PEOPLE WHO ARE WEAK IN FAITH ARE WEAK IN UNDERSTANDING well look ali sina or whoever u are i think u were never a muslim b4.... the reason y i wrote u that MOHAMMAD P.B.UH never married a girl under 20 was that i wanted to check u coz some of ur ahadeeth's were changed not the 6 yr old 1 ...u know which 1 im taliking about...... ... [color=purple] You are wrong again. Many of us at FFI are ex-muslims. And I did not change any hadeeth. Please show me what you think I have changed and if an error has crept in, I will fix it. I do not want to be sending out changed hadeeth. You like most other muslims are brainwashed. There is very little to be proud of Islam and there is plenty to be absolutely ashamed.[/color] THE MAIN THING IS I GAVE U A REASON Y HE DID SO N AGAIN Y U PEOPLE TALK ABOUT TERRORISM N ARAB PEOPLE NOW DOING THIS OR THAT BLAH DI BLAH DI BLAH ... Y? are u sick u dont understand MR? ALLAH SAY "HE WHO KILLS 1 INNOCENT MAN , FOR ALLAH IS THAT HE KILLED THE WHOLE HUMANITY " [color=purple] Have you ever read that in the Quran? Here let me show what it really says. 005.032 YUSUFALI: On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. 005.033 YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter; So that instruction was to the jews and when you look at the jewish scriptures you find that muhammed messed it up. And then what does the very next verse say? What is waging war against Allah and His Messenger, and mischeif through the land means? So if one does not accept Islam and speaks against it, that is fighting Allah and the messenger and they should be executed. That is your Islam. No freedom to think or freedom to express doubt. Death for those who speak against islam. Here is a hadiath: Volume 8, Book 82, Number 796: Narrated Anas: A group of people from 'Ukl (tribe) came to the Prophet and they were living with the people of As-Suffa, but they became ill as the climate of Medina did not suit them, so they said, "O Allah's Apostle! Provide us with milk." The Prophet said, I see no other way for you than to use the camels of Allah's Apostle." So they went and drank the milk and urine of the camels, (as medicine) and became healthy and fat. Then they killed the shepherd and took the camels away. When a help-seeker came to Allah's Apostle, he sent some men in their pursuit, and they were captured and brought before mid day. The Prophet ordered for some iron pieces to be made red hot, and their eyes were branded with them and their hands and feet were cut off and were not cauterized. Then they were put at a place called Al-Harra, and when they asked for water to drink they were not given till they died. (Abu Qilaba said, "Those people committed theft and murder and fought against Allah and His Apostle.") So you see the penalty for murder is not death but cutting of limbs, bleeding to death, and being denied water while dying. That is what one gets for fighting allah and his messanger. Is that merciful? Even the worst of nations do not punish this cruelly anymore, but that is what your allah prescribes. [/color] dont u understand this mr. MOHAMMAD PEACE BE UPON HIM MARRIED AISHA AS ALLAH SENT THIS MESSAGE TO HIM BY AN ANAGEL IN HIS DREAM... IT WAS ALLAH'S WISH HELLLOOO WAKY WAKYYY..... AND THIS IS NOT PERMISSIBLE FOR ORDINARY HUMAN BEING.... U COMPARING MOHAMMAD WITH US... U DUMB HEAD MAN... WOMAN... OR WHATEVER. WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO MARRY A CHILD... OK? TODAY ARABS DOING THE SAME LIKE SELLING WOMAN RAPE MARRYING MORE THAN 1 WOMEN BUT NOT IN JUSTICE OR MARRYING A CHILD WHATEVER WHAT THIS ALL MEANS TO U? THEY ARE WRONG, THEY ARE DOING THIS ALL AGAINST THEIR RELEGION ISLAM... OK IF IN USA OR UK OR ANY OTHER CHRISTIAN COUNTRY PEOPLE DO CRIMES LIKE RAPE MURDER N OTHER ANTI SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR CRIMES (ASBO) DOES THIS MEAN THAT THIS IS IN THEIR BIBLE, SAME IN INDIA THERE ARE CHILD RAPE DO THEY HAVE THIS ON THEIR MAHABHARATH OR GEETHA?? LOOK DO U UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN ARE U 50 YRS OLD OR 90 THAT U DONT UNDERSTAND OR U A CHILD URSELF? HUHHHHH [color=purple] You are now making excuses. Please look up what are Misyar marriages among sunnis and Muttah marriages among Shias. This might help: [url=http://www.answers.com/topic/nikah-misyar]Misyar[/url] They are wrong for humans and if you have a human heart but they are islamic and accepted by islamic sharia. Allah did not send any message to muhammed. That is just a lie that you as a muslim have been told again and again. What is the proof that Allah sent the message to Muhammed? Your entire logic goes as follows: The Quran says allah sent the message to muhammed. But who said the quran? Muhammed did. So what a circular argument. How stupid can one get? You may wish to read the prophet of doom to get a clearer idea of all the lies you have been told. [/color] IF ARAB DOING CRIMES IT DOESNT MEAN MR SINNER THAT IT IS OUR QURAN TELLING THIS... LOOK AT MUSLIMS TODAY... LOOK AT THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE CONVERTING TO ISLAM DO THAY HAVE NO MIND LIKE U?? OR U THE MOST SENSIBLE PERSON IN THOIS WORLD........ ? LOOK AT DR ZAKIR NAIK... LOOK AT MYSELF MY BRO SIS MY HUBBY EVERY1 Y CANT WE FIND ANY MISTAKE NAOOZUBILLAH.. according to u mohammad did a mistake what else do u think he did..... is that wrong he asked people to pray 1 god ALLAH? is it wrong that he asked us to beleicve in 1 book QURAN do not lie... respect other relegion, respect ur family ur mum dad when they get old dont say ufff to them is that wrong.... he was polite to every1 is that wrong stay clean read namaaz five times a day is that wrong... look u dont know anything u just stay off this ok .... look at cat stevens MOHAMAD YOUSAF now today mashallah he used to earn loadas when he was asinger but he feels more satisfied after converting to islam look at every1 wwho do convert islam ... a girl living near to me was a christian 17 yrs old converted to islam MASHALLAH didnt she see that all........ my collegue laila's sis rubecka converted to islam after researching ... she didnt only read quran first she read geetha bible jewisam etc then quran what made her converting to islam....... a girl famouse now in usa wanted to be a modal but after some time converted to islam... y? I THINK U ARE A FOOL... ok ur mum or dad are a muslim????????????????/ are they?? [color=purple] Zakir Naik is a fool and people laugh at him. You count people to give you support and comfort. There are 4 kaffirs for 1 muslim. There have always been more kaffirs than muslims. There are about 1.2 billion muslims. There are about 5 billion kaffirs. Could all those kaffirs be wrong? See how many people are leaving Islam. Most people leave islam and do not say anything because muslims get very angry and try to kill the apostate. Under islamic sharia the penalty for apostacy is death. Kill any one who wants to leave islam! So follow the idiots and live in the lies that you have been told. The information is out there and it is upto you search and learn or you can live the lie all your life. Muslims are the most uneducated, the most illiterate people on the earth right now. Why? [/color] let me know.... just asking..... im not saying this all to u so that u can become a muslim no way i dont want u to become a muslim i want to see u soon...... u know when im desparete to see. u.... anyways y u dont go n talk to SIR ZAKIR NAIK.... as he travells the world spreading his knwlege of quran MASHHALLAH KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT BIBLE N OTHER RELEGIONS TOO Y DONT U GO TO HIM N SAY HEY U SPEAK TO ME... I KNWO U CANT U WILL NEVER ... HE SPOKE TO GREAT PEOPLE SO CALLED GREAT BUT THEY COULDNT EVEN GIVE HIM THE ANSWER TO HIS QUESTION ME GOING TO UNI TATA [color=purple] Many many people have told your Zakir naik to debate with Ali Sina and he will not. He makes one excuse after another. He hides. You tell your Zakir and prove Ali Sina wrong. [url=http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/ZakirNaik.htm]Zakir Naik[/url] FFI challange still stands. Tell your Dr. Zakir Naik not to hide but to come and defend your evil cult of muhammed. It is not easy to lie to ex-muslims you see. We know Islam better than you brain washed muslims. Educate yourself and get out of your filthy evil cult. Join the free humanity. Doubtless[/color] From: shahayda naz Date: May 25, 2006 11:56 PM Subject: Re: ok ok ok hahaha no bro no 1s leaving islam ya but people like u leave islam ... u know may be u r a shaytan.(.satan) what christiians i know these christians thay r called christians coz they havewhite color...thats it... all my colleagues where i work do not beleive in god but when fill a form they put there relegion as a "christians" hello are u out of ur mind christianity is falling but islam is increasing go on check it on websites what scientists say about this. and ur hadeeth actually people take it wrong like u.... the hadeeth say kill mushrik kill kufaar..... u jsut take it like "OH ALLAH SAID KILL KUFAAR ALLAH IS NOT MERCIFILL NAOZUBILLAH u dont read top to bottom what does it say. n u tale it wrong then i mean the meanings mihght be when u were a muslim u were a shia coz shia doesnt like MOHAMMAD that much too. when i tell my bro sis about u they laugh too man.... i spoke about u to a boy who recently converted to islam MASHALLAH he is a student at my uni.... well what i say is go to zakir naik n talk to him , i know u will not. me going for holiday for holidays for 3 days ... all i say is u do what u like n i spread islam lets see at the end who wins... see u on the day which christians beleive also... THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT.... we'll see thgen who was wrong who was right.... u spread whatever u like people who have faith in ALLAH will never give up there IMAAAN will be strong enough to face evil people shaythaan people likeu..... where ever u arre whateveru do i always ask ALLAH to punish u for this INSHLALLAH... see u at the end u ex-muslim. IM PROUD TO BE A MUSLIM ... ALHAMDULLILLAH.... DO WHATEVER U LIKE MY BRAIN IS NOT WASHED I THINK UR HAS BEEN WASHED ...... anyways... tata enjoyyyyyy lol From: shahayda naz Date: May 30, 2006 2:06 AM people like u in QURAN is described as "deaf and dumb" u r 1 of them ....... From: shahayda naz Date: Jun 1, 2006 11:57 PM actually u dont understand me man what im saying is quite clear ok? if im like a parrot saying the same thing again n again so YES im a parrot of ALLAH im a momina i say the same thing im on the same faith i say LA ILAHA ILLALLAA HOO MUHAMAADA RRASOOLILLAH AND i say im a muslim alhamdullillah again n again AS APARROT now let me tel u who are u? u u are sick........ can i ask u something ? if u were a muslim before ur family must be a muslim too...? correct? if u left ur relegion i mean islam.... what about ur family sinner??? dont lie ur family has left this relegion too..... ok i beleive if u say so but what about ur relatives.... the reason y im asking u this personal thing is Y DONT U FIRST GO N SAY ALL THIS STUPID CULTTO UR FAMILY, NOT ME FIRST UR FAMILY ....if they are true muslim they will throw u out from there relationship haha i know...on the other hand to be honest i dont see any other sensable relegion apart from QURAN.... christianity ya ya i read it ... geethaa mahabhaarath yesss i know that too........ budhisam.... no way...... QURAN MASHALLAH yes more sensibility in this relegion what does MUHAMMAD P.B.U.H ASK US TO DO.....READ SALAAH NAMAAZ FIVE TIMES A DAY IS THAT WRONG? TREAT UR NEIGHBOURS FAIRLY IS THAT WRONG? Treat non muslims fairly and respect other relegion is that wrong too..... he PBUH say if not treat human being fairly ALLAH will not accept ur prayer.... IS THAT WRONG WHAT HE ASK US TO DO..... ? AISHA REHMATHULLAH ALAYHAY DESCRIBES MIHAMMAD PBUH AS A SUBERB MAN ON EARTH OK... STOP SHOWING PEOPLE FAKE HADEETHS OR IF NOT FAKE STOP TRANSLATING IT WRONG AS U DID B4.. the divorse system u explained last time was for a woman who is pregnant.....? for ur kind infor..... when a woman is pregnant she doesnt have any periods ok??? u sinner if dont know ask ur mom ur sis....... and the other thing zina... rape... come on if someone rape ur mom ur sis your aunt ur maternity aunt ... will u forgive that person?????????? no U WILL KILL HIM... so islam say who do such crime stone him her to death.... stupid head u are nonsense,,,,,, MOHAMMAD PBUH.... ASK US TO STAY IN PEACE SPREAD PEACE... RESPECT UR WIVES... RESPECT FOR WOMAN IN QURAN IS MASHALLAH INCREDIBLE..... NO 1 BELEIVES WHEN I EXPLAIN IT TO KAFIR....... anyways first go to ur family little baby shuuu shuuuu n then spread what u r spreading to me..... then see what they say .. ok then do what u like.... ISLAM ZINDABAAD MASHALLAH ALLAH HU AKBAR From: FFI To: shahayda naz Date: Jun 2, 2006 8:36 AM Subject: Re: huhhh There you go again repeating mindlessly like a trained animal. The closer the truth hits tighter you close your eyes and start repeating arabic gibberish as if that is going to make the world disappear ... repeating phrases over and over is a known mind control technique. Women are treated well in islam. For a woman you should look more closely becuase you are one, or are you lying about that? Find out the family dynamics in a polygamous marriage. If women in islam are so well off then how is the minister in malaysia telling the muslim men to not marry and divorce so much? [url=http://news.sawf.org/Lifestyle/12698.aspx]Lifestyle[/url] "Problems remembering wives' names? Then you have too many: Malaysian cleric Posted on Sunday, May 21, 2006 (EST) A prominent Malaysian cleric has warned Muslims against repeatedly marrying and divorcing for fun after reports of a man who married 30 times and has scores of children and grand-children." King Fahd of saudi arabia had married 480 times and divorced that many times over his life. Is that what you call women are treated well? That means he was roughly marrying once a month on average for his marriagable period of 40 years. Oh whose turn is it to get divorced this month, let's see. Many saudi men marry hundreds of times and divorce hundreds of times. That is what you call treating well? You are stupid. Now close your eyes and start repeating your arabic gibberish that your evil violent cult teaches you. And stop lying. Islam has never ever treated the non-muslims fairly. Islam has always been brutal to the kaffirs. But you are dumb that you will accept any lie that you are told. You have accepted all the nonsens about women being treated so well in Islam. I guess you will accept kaffirs being treated as well. Just shows how stupid you are being. You have the internet. Open your brain and educate your self. Learn the truty about the cult you are in. Do not be a moron. doubtless. From: shahayda naz Date: Jun 3, 2006 2:41 AM Subject: o my LORD I think u dont understand me well ..., im sure im writing u this in english not in arabic............ what arabs do... what is going on with the ladies in arab lands or whatever IS NOT WRITTEN IN ISLAM WESTERN contries are famouse in crimes like rapes murder and other ....it doesnt mean it is written in the BIBLE to do such crimes.... same is here ... there is nothing written in QURAN to marry 480 times ALLAH TOUBAH ASTAGHFAAR are u mindless.... ALLAH permitts man to marry not more than 4 times u stupid head...... see now? what are u doing u just looking at the arabs u see them how they spend there lives n then u consider this as they are doing this according to what the QURAN SAY huhhhh mad p[erson QURAN doesnt say anything like this..... i will not check ur stupid websites u sending me i will never touch it... y? Y? becouse i do have a QURAN NO NEED TO CHECK UR HAND MADE SITES GOSHHHHHH? GO TO UR FAMILY TELL THEM WHAT U TELLING ME I THINK U NEVER BEEN WITH UR FAMILY OTHERWISE THEY SHOULD HAVE TOUGHT U ABOUT THIS GREAT RELEGION BYEE BYEEEEE From: FFI To: shahayda naz Date: Jun 3, 2006 7:49 AM Subject: Re: o my LORD You stupid brainwashed muhammedan, you are unable to think at all. The exaples you give are CRIMES on one hand and the bible condemns those crimes. People are punished when they do that. The examples I gave you and at which you show horror are NOT crimes in any muslim country, and show where are they condemned in the QURAN? Muslims are doing it because their laws, the laws from the Quran allow it. Do you understand that? And it is not only arab countried. It is happening in countries like Malaysia (that is the news I sent you), in Pakistan, Iran, Sudan, Bangladesh, etc. It is happening to brainless morons like you who do not want to see what a cult you are in. Show me where is that behavior banned in the Quran? And you think rape and murder does not happen in muslim countries? Think again. doubtless. From: shahayda naz Date: Jun 3, 2006 2:49 AM t should be clear that Islam does grant woman equal rights to contract, to enterprise, to earn and possess independently. Her life, her property, her honor are as sacred as those of man. In his response to your question, Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi, former President of the Islamic Society of North America, states: "In Islam men and women both have the right of ownership. Allah says in the Qur'an, 'To men belong what they earn, and to women what they earn.' (an-Nisa': 32) After marriage the property of a man or woman does not become automatically the property of his/her spouse, unless they both want and decide to have joint ownership. Just as a man is allowed to handle his property according to his judgment, so also a woman is allowed to handle her property according to her judgment. However, after marriage it is appropriate that the husband and wife handle all their affairs with mutual consultation and agreement. The husband should consult his wife and the wife should consult her husband. Allah has mentioned in the Qur'an that the Believers conduct their affairs with mutual consultation (ash-Shura: 38) After death, the property of any Muslim should be distributed according to the Islamic law of inheritance. However, every person, male or female, is allowed to make a special will within one third of his/her assets. In a wife's property, her will is honored and in a husband's property, his will is honored." Allah Almighty knows best. [color=purple][ And then Shayada pastes the same quote five times ...][/color] From: FFI To: shahayda naz Date: Jun 3, 2006 7:54 AM Subject: Re: Quoting an american sunni imam does not make it happen in the islam. Muhammedans are the biggest liars and will say anything and do anything to protect their cult. Truth is not something that occurs naturally to them. He is simply outlining some stupid rules of property sharing. What rights does a wife have when her husband beats because the Quran sanctions him and she cannot ask for a divorce easily but he can give taalaq when ever he wants? Think you moron. I know it is difficult for you to think. doubtless. From: shahayda naz Date: Jun 5, 2006 2:33 AM ok ok ok lets stop fighting ... as we both are human being n even it is said in QURAN human should respect each other not only each other but should respect their color,, their relegion and faith, so we should stop quareling arguing n this or that we just write what we like..... ok my first question to u is after leving islam what is ur relegion now? u dont like MOHAMAD PBUH but do u beleive in ALLAH? OR GOD? look i start to tell u why do i beleive in quran n MOHAMMAD PBUH. I know i was born in a muslim family thats y im a muslim today but apart from that i studies it myself too... the way u translating it is wrong.... ok let me give u n example... if i take the quran to a muslim scholar n learn the translation from him he will describe the QURAN as it is.... if i take to that to hindu or jew or christian , he'll describe it or translate it in thier way so who do i listen or follow? obviously muslim scholar y ? becouse the quran was sent down to mohammad PB.U.H ... n he introduced islam to us n people converted to islam calling themselves a muslim.... is that correct???? ok this is the second time im telling u that when i was 16 i asked my mum why we are muslims why not hindu christian etc.... she didnt slapp on my face neither yelled at me or shouted ...she just said ok go n read the QURAN translate it go to an islamic professor who can teach u/..... i did that all.... n today im still reading QURAN n reading islamic books n talking to people who converted to this relegion,,,,, b4 islam there were arab who were jaahil ignorant ..... they had no respect for wimen they were horrible..... when islam came to world ALLAH tought arab n all what is a woman how she can be treated.... islam ask us to release the slaves.... treat the orphan well n ull have paradise at the end.... if fathesr bring their doughters up n take care of them n then he treat them well till they get married.. that father will go straight to jannah paradise MASHALLAH this is the respect of woman in QURAN.... yes a man can marry more than 1 time but not more than 4 times ok whatever u show me i will not accept i got muslim family friends relatives they are married only 1 time why they do not go n marry another 3 4 ladies. ?? there are conditions for this ok? N U KNOW THAT .... DONT IGNORE.... U CANT MARRY ANY 1 B4 PUBERTY STOP LIEING THERES NO WHERE IN quran WRITTEN LIKE THIS SO STOP LIEING..... if a person rape a woman yes i agree with this "stone him to death" if he or her both had n affair u understand what i mean ... then both should have the equal punishmant... a man caannot marry anothor woman untill her first wife or wives give him permission to him huhhh thats the respect in quran for woma... dotn say ye ye yeh yeh arab dont do this well it doesnt mean if they dont do this this is writtin in the QURAN.... a man can only marry another woman when theres a reason ... n after that he shhould treat them equal if he not HE WILL BE THROWN INTO HELL....... is that clear to u.... this is what i read in QURAN n people in india mallaysia pakistan if they treat woman like stupid again thay will be punished ..... ALLAH SAY IF A MOTHER GIVE BIRTH TO A SON IT MEANS SHE GOT "NEMATH " FROM allah n if give birth to a doughter then she got "rehmath" more n more blessings so what does that mean ????? y didnt he say that if have a girl u got a slave u got this or that man what is going on with u where do u live????? if a woman cannot give birth to child if she give her husband permission that he can marry anothetr woman yes he can..... MOHAMMAD P.BU.H married woman when they were alone there was no one to help that woman n her kids ... no 1 to earn no one to feed her children .. then MASHALLAH HE P.BU.H USE TO MARRY THEM IS THAT A SIN? no its not..... if my husband today come to me n say there a poor woman there she havnt got any1 to feed her she's alone... yes i'll give him the permission... y not? ya he should treat her n me the same way ..... its not like 1 day u marry a woman n the the next day u marry some1 else n the next ...so on... no ITS NOT LIKE THAT IN ISLAM ...I KNOW Y? BECOUSE I KNOW WHAT IS WRITTIN IN QURAN.... what do christians do .. they got a girl friend then they leave her get another 1 like PIGS..... then they do this till there death ... does bible say like this????? they dont even marry n have children... does bible say this??? they love to see a naked woman in a magazine n films n always talk about woman every day 24 hrs i work with male people aswell..... so is that in the bible....????? is that a respect for m a woman......... bible ask woman to cover her hair n body yes it does say that... so does the QURAN.....as ALLAH EXPLAINED IN THE QURAN that a man can marry another woman ... a woman can also afetr her husbands death can marry another man not like in hindu geetha that wear white saaarhee n cut ur hair n thats it n not even can go out... our QURAN DOESNT SAY like this.... a woman if she feels that her husband is not treating her well she has full permission to leave him ... yes now people are changing they are not following islam ... sopme people say to there doughter no u can give divorce i know y... becouse they are poor thay cant afford... or they want to keep their respect in society but QURAN DOESNT SAY LIKE THIS NOT AT ALL.... a waman has the right to spend a lovely life ...... now what u like to say........ From: FFI To: shahayda naz Date: Jun 5, 2006 9:44 AM Subject: Re: On 6/5/06, shahayda naz wrote: ok ok ok lets stop fighting ... as we both are human being n even it is said in QURAN human should respect each other not only each other but should respect their color,, their relegion and faith, so we should stop quareling arguing n this or that we just write what we like..... [color=purple] Shahayda, the quran does not say respect their religion. The quran does say only islam is acceptable as a religion to allah. I have been tying to get you to talk to me.[/color] ok my first question to u is after leving islam what is ur relegion now? u dont like MOHAMAD PBUH but do u beleive in ALLAH? OR GOD? [color=purple] I do not follow any religion. I do not find any need for allah or god. I do not know enough to know whether there is an allah or god as people usually like to think about allah. One of the big issue with believers is "who created the universe" if not allha. The problem is that the universe is as singular as allah. There is only one universe, and we do not know it very well. We do not know all the laws that operate within it, etc. So the question who created the universe is very much like who created allah? And the simple answer is "I do not know". Man does not know yet. But we do not have to make up stories and tales and start saying those stories are true and if you do not believe we will kill you.[/color] look i start to tell u why do i beleive in quran n MOHAMMAD PBUH. I know i was born in a muslim family thats y im a muslim today but apart from that i studies it myself too... the way u translating it is wrong.... ok let me give u n example... if i take the quran to a muslim scholar n learn the translation from him he will describe the QURAN as it is.... if i take to that to hindu or jew or christian , he'll describe it or translate it in thier way so who do i listen or follow? obviously muslim scholar y ? becouse the quran was sent down to mohammad PB.U.H ... n he introduced islam to us n people converted to islam calling themselves a muslim.... is that correct???? ok this is the second time im telling u that when i was 16 i asked my mum why we are muslims why not hindu christian etc.... she didnt slapp on my face neither yelled at me or shouted ...she just said ok go n read the QURAN translate it go to an islamic professor who can teach u/..... i did that all.... n today im still reading QURAN n reading islamic books n talking to people who converted to this relegion,,,,, b4 islam there were arab who were jaahil ignorant ..... they had no respect for wimen they were horrible..... when islam came to world ALLAH tought arab n all what is a woman how she can be treated.... islam ask us to release the slaves.... treat the orphan well n ull have paradise at the end.... if fathesr bring their doughters up n take care of them n then he treat them well till they get married.. that father will go straight to jannah paradise MASHALLAH this is the respect of woman in QURAN.... yes a man can marry more than 1 time but not more than 4 times ok whatever u show me i will not accept i got muslim family friends relatives they are married only 1 time why they do not go n marry another 3 4 ladies. ?? [color=purple] I am sorry but you have been told a lot of lies. If you read nothing please read the following link on Islam and women: [url=http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/Younus_Sheikh/IslamWoman.htm]Younus Sheikh[/url] This is written by a very educated man who was a muslim and he was on death row in solitary prison for three years in Pakistan. Only very heavy international pressure saved him. Read and then find out that most of what you have been told have been lies by ignorant people.[/color] there are conditions for this ok? N U KNOW THAT .... DONT IGNORE.... U CANT MARRY ANY 1 B4 PUBERTY STOP LIEING THERES NO WHERE IN quran WRITTEN LIKE THIS SO STOP LIEING..... [color=purple] Shahayda, I am not lying. Here read the following to see that Muhammed married Aiesha before she had reached puberty and muslim men have been marrying girls before they reach puberty since that time: [url=http://www.wiki.faithfreedom.org/index.php/Mohammed%27s_Pedophilia]Mohammed Pedophilia[/url] All the references are from Islamic sources. Not one is from a non-islamic source. Then Imam Khomenii clearly writes in his book and that is less than 30 years ago that it is acceptable for adult men to sodomize a six month old girl or to "thigh" her but it is not allowed to penetrate her vagina. That is a fact. "Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, The Supreme Leader of Iran, the Shia Grand Ayatollah, 1979-89 said in his official statements: "A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. Sodomizing the baby is halal (allowed by sharia). If the man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister. It is better for a girl to marry when her menstruation starts, and at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven." Khomeini, "Tahrirolvasyleh" fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990 "It is not illegal for an adult male to 'thigh' or enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her."[/color] if a person rape a woman yes i agree with this "stone him to death" if he or her both had n affair u understand what i mean ... then both should have the equal punishmant... a man caannot marry anothor woman untill her first wife or wives give him permission to him huhhh thats the respect in quran for woma... dotn say ye ye yeh yeh arab dont do this well it doesnt mean if they dont do this this is writtin in the QURAN.... a man can only marry another woman when theres a reason ... n after that he shhould treat them equal if he not HE WILL BE THROWN INTO HELL....... is that clear to u.... this is what i read in QURAN n people in india mallaysia pakistan if they treat woman like stupid again thay will be punished ..... [color=purple] You accept the promises and punishments of what will happen when someone is dead. I want to make sure that the laws are such that women and girls are not taken advantage of while they are alive and in this world. Why have laws that the muslim men can take advantage of poor women in this life? Why do the poor women have to wait for those bastards to be punished after they are dead?[/color] ALLAH SAY IF A MOTHER GIVE BIRTH TO A SON IT MEANS SHE GOT "NEMATH " FROM allah n if give birth to a doughter then she got "rehmath" more n more blessings so what does that mean ????? y didnt he say that if have a girl u got a slave u got this or that man what is going on with u where do u live????? if a woman cannot give birth to child if she give her husband permission that he can marry anothetr woman yes he can..... MOHAMMAD P.BU.H married woman when they were alone there was no one to help that woman n her kids ... no 1 to earn no one to feed her children .. then MASHALLAH HE P.BU.H USE TO MARRY THEM IS THAT A SIN? no its not..... if my husband today come to me n say there a poor woman there she havnt got any1 to feed her she's alone... yes i'll give him the permission... y not? ya he should treat her n me the same way ..... its not like 1 day u marry a woman n the the next day u marry some1 else n the next ...so on... no ITS NOT LIKE THAT IN ISLAM ...I KNOW Y? BECOUSE I KNOW WHAT IS WRITTIN IN QURAN.... what do christians do .. they got a girl friend then they leave her get another 1 like PIGS..... then they do this till there death ... does bible say like this????? they dont even marry n have children... does bible say this??? they love to see a naked woman in a magazine n films n always talk about woman every day 24 hrs i work with male people aswell..... so is that in the bible....????? is that a respect for m a woman......... bible ask woman to cover her hair n body yes it does say that... so does the QURAN.....as ALLAH EXPLAINED IN THE QURAN that a man can marry another woman ... a woman can also afetr her husbands death can marry another man not like in hindu geetha that wear white saaarhee n cut ur hair n thats it n not even can go out... our QURAN DOESNT SAY like this.... a woman if she feels that her husband is not treating her well she has full permission to leave him ... yes now people are changing they are not following islam ... sopme people say to there doughter no u can give divorce i know y... becouse they are poor thay cant afford... or they want to keep their respect in society but QURAN DOESNT SAY LIKE THIS NOT AT ALL.... a waman has the right to spend a lovely life ...... now what u like to say........ [color=purple] You should meet more people from other religions. They are not as bad as you think. People try to do the best they can. But learn and educate yourself about Islam and Muhammed . doubtless.[/color] From: shahayda naz Date: Jun 6, 2006 4:24 AM Subject: IVE SEEN THESE WEBSITES(ANSWER) OK I WILL READE EVERY BIT OF WHAT U WRITE ME BUT IF U CAN ANSWER THSE I'LL APPRECIATE THAT we dont argue from today ok? we just talk like we are talking normaly about life n relegions ok? sorry for being harsh to u.. now i'll not be rude to u neither will you.... ok if u remember u sent me some hadeeths of aisha rehmathulaah alayhay ..... i printed out those and took it to the islamic center where i met a person abd_ur_razaak, he explained me that the person who sent u these hadeeths has made some changes in it..... not all of these were wrong HE SAID "SOME OF IT", u showing me websites of people who were xmuslims or this or that..... if i give u some hadeeths n even some translation from the QURAN ....what would u say then....? i dont want u to say that muslim translate the QURAN in a wrong way... that doesnt make sense to be honest as QURAN is the book of muslims we CANT TRANSLATE IT IN A WRONG WAY OR CHANGE IT ASTAGFIRULLAH.... ok u calm down read this n write me back ok.? like a friend. first i explain shortly about the hadeeth revealed by MOHAMAD'S P.B.U.H WIFE AISHA{R} . A HADEETH BUKHARI TELLS US THAT WHEN ASKED AISHA REHMATHULLAH ABOUT MOHAMAD PBUH, SHE REPLIED "MOHAMMAD HELPS ME N HELPED HIS WIVES WITH THEIR WORK UNTILL IT WAS TIME TO GO TO LEAD PRAYERS, AS A PERFECT LEADER A PERFECT MUSLIM HE NEVER REGARD HELPING HIS WIVES AND ME AS A SLUR ON HIS MANHOOD" . SHORTLY LET ME TELL U WHAT QURAN SAY ABOUT HOW TO TREAT WOMAN AFTER MARRAIGE.....if a wife spends all time looking after her home, then her man must appreciate this sacrifice and devote sufficiant time to her as rewards for her efforts....he should notice what she has done, take interest in it praise the work and her, a good muslim husband will not distress his wife by going off boozing and flirting with other woman, and neither just popinto the house for meal nand then rush outside again with his freinds. spend much much time with his wife please her help her in her house work. if not theres a swear punishmant for that person at the end. .ALLAH SUBHANAWATHALLAH SAY " A MUSLIM SHOULD NOT MARRY A WOMAN FOR WEALTH BEAUITY LOOKS, OR RANKBUT FOR COMPATIBILITY. ABDULLAH IBN UMAR REPORTED THAT ALLA'S MESSENGER PBUH SAID DO NOT MARRY A WOMAN FOR LOOKS WEALTH RANK, BUT FOR RESPECT AND COMPATIBILITY, IF DO NOT SO THIS WILL BE A SOURCE OF SIN. THE PROPHET P.B.U.H AND HIS WIVES AS U KNOW MOHAMAD PBUH MARREID KHATIJAH (R) SHE WAS HAPPY WITH HIM SHE ACCEPTED ISLAM HE NEVER MARRIED TO ANY1 IN HER LIFE. THEN HE PBUH MARREID SAWDA THE WIDOW, THEN AISHA (R). MOHAMAD PBUH NEVER HAD ANY PHYSICAL RELATION WITH HER AS HE SAID "PHYSICAN INTIMACY WOULD NOT BEGIN UNTIL THE GIRL WAS OLD ENOUGHUSUALLY AROUNT AGE 14, AS IN AISHA'S(R) CASE. AISHA (R) HERSELF RECORDED IN A HADEETH WHICH IS INFRONT OF ME SAYING " MOHAMAD PBUH LOVED ME SO MUCH CARED ABOUT ME THAT WHEN I ATE ONE PART OF THE MEAT ON A BONE AND I USED TO HAND IT TO THE PROPHET PBUH WHO WOULD BITE THE MORSEL FROM THE PLACE WHERE I HAD BITTEN, AND WHEN I DRINK WATER AND GIVE IT TO HIM PBUH HE WOULD DRINK FROM THE PLACE I HAD PUT MY LIPS." (BHUKHARI MUSLIM) like khatijah (r) aisha (r) gave full support to mohamad pbuh . AISHA (R) HAD THE FULL CONFIDENCE OF THE PROPHET PBUH DURING HIS LIFETIME. (ZARKASHI AL-IJABA 52) IBN ATA SAID (HADEETH) AISHA WAS AMONG ALL PEOPLE , THE ONE WHO HAD THE MOST KNOWLEGE OF FIQH. THE ONW WHO WAS MOST EDUCATED AND COMP[ARED TO THOSE WHO SURROUNDED HER. THE ONE WHOSE JUDGMENT WAS THE BEST. MASHALLAH(ibn hajar alasaba) if u say that only MOHAMAD HAD WIVES LIKE MORE THAN 1.... LET ME TELL U THIS ASWELL I MEAN I WRITE THIS TO U.... IN CHRITIANITY ABRAHAM HAD THREE WIVES, JACOB HAD FOUR, DAVID HAD THIRTEEN AND SOLOMON HAD THREE HUNDRED PLUS 700 CONCUBINES.... SO IF I LEAVE ISLAM DO I ACCEPT CHRISTIANITY???? WHY???? GOOD PEOPLE A TRUE MUSLIM IN ISLAM IS IF WHEN HE GETS MARREID TO SOME1 HE SHOULD 1ST FIND OUT IF HE CAN AFFORD HER OR NOT,,, OTHERWISE HE'LL BE PUNISHED IF THERE WOULD BE NO JUSTICE BETWEEN HIS WIVES. AISHA(R) LEFT A TREASURE OF THOUSANDS HADEETH MASHALLAH I GOT THESE HADEETH RIGHT INFRONT OF ME READING IT N SENDING IT TO U SIR. " MOHAMAD PBUH ONLY MARRIED WOMAN WHEN SHE WAS ALONE NO ONE TO TAKE CARE OF HER NO SUPPORT NOTHING AT ALL.... WHERE WOULD THAT WOMAN GO IF NO 1 ACCEPT TO MARRY HER ANSWER ME???? SOME1 WILL COME N USE HER OR RAPE HER... BUT MOHAMAD PBUH THE GREAT USED TO MARRY THESE KINDS OF WOMAN TO SUPPORT THEM MASHALLAH WHAT A PERSON . LET ME TELL U ABOUT ZENAB (R) THE BLESS PROPHET PBUH FIFTH FEMALE APOSTLE WAS ZAYNEB BINT KHUZAYMA,( A LADY OF SELF SACRIFICE AND PIETY) HER HUSBAND WAS MARTYRED IN WAR UHUD LEAVING HER POVERY STRICKEN AND ALONE... WHAT IS WRONG IF MOHAMMAD PBUH MARRIED HER N GAVE HER SUPPORT???? IS IT WRONG OR U SHOULD LEAVE THEM ALONE SO THAT THEY CAN DIE EASILY..... DO U HAVE ANY HADEETH SAYING THAT MOHAMD PBUH NEVER TREATED HIS WIVES IN JUSTICE??? NO U'LL NEVER FIND 1 DEAR. IN THE QURAN ALLAH SUBHANAWATHALLAH SAY " ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT THE LOWEST PERSON IN THE SIGHT OF ALLAH WILL BE THE MAN WHO IS INTIMATE WITH HIS WIFE AND THEN BROADCASTS HER SECRETS" MOHAMAD P.BUH MARRIAGES WERE CONTRACTED FOR PURLY PIOUSE REASONS IN ORDER TO LOOK AFTER WIDOWS OR WAR CAPTIVES... IS THAT WRONG???????????????????????????/??? OUR SHARIYA SAY THAT A WOMAN IF DONT LIKE TO STAY WITH HUSBANDS FAMILY LIKE MOM IN LAW OR FATHER IN LAW "A HUSBAND SHOULD TAKE HER SOMEWHERE SEPARATE N LIVE WITH HER PEACEFULLY.. SE E THATS A RESPECT ISNTIT? a woman has no responsibily to look after her husbands family as some muslims male people do so thats a sin yah if she is happy doing that then its ok otherwise she has no responsibily for doinbg that n her husband should not argue with her on this... this is what my husband do sir... if a wife do house work n work outside, and when she comes back home her husband should offer her water help her with cooking cleaning n everything like MOHAMMAD PBUH used to do we are to follow him n his pbuh's life. you cant shout ur woman its a sin... in the holy QURAN it is said that a man at the end will walk in a difficult way n he'll be the 1 who did not respect his wife,,... n same with the wife also she has responsibilty to take care of him love him satisfy him.. not important to cook clean..... is that bad??? read this sir." IN QURAN 2:187 , "ALLAH HAS SAID THAT HUSBAND AND WIFE ARE LIKE GARMENTS FOR ONE ANOTHER" MASHALLAH THIS IS IN HADEETH IN MUSLIM THAT " A BELEIVING MAN MUST NOT HATE A BELIVIEVING WOMAN , IF HE DISLIKES ONE TRAIT IN HER, HE'LL FIND ANOTHER TRAIT IN HER WHICH WILL PLEASE HIM" MASHALLAH NOW WHAT IS WRITTEN IN CHRISTIANITY..." (EPHESIANS, 5:22-24) "LET WIVES BE IN SUBJECTION TO THEIR HUSBANDS AS IF TO THE LORD , BECOUSE A HUSBAND IS A HEAD OF HIS WIFE AS CHRIST IS HEAD OF CONGREGATION" WHEN A MAN SPENDS ON HIS WIFE ITS A SADAKAH MASHALLAH IN ISLAM IN QURAN 3:36 IS DISCRIBED MALE IS NOT LIKE FEMALE " SOME PEOPLE HAVE DOUT WITH THIS BUT THEY DONT READ EVERYTHING WHIC IS IN QURAN..... THIS VERSE MEANS THAT A MAN HAS TO GO OUT AND WORK TO FEED HIS WIFE A WOMAN IS NOT LIKE A MAN AS BECOUSE A WOMAN CAN BE PREGNANT NOT A MAN CAN..... PARADISE LIES BENEATH MOTHER'S FEET MASHALLAH NOT FATHERS FEET ONLY A MOTHER IS DEFINED SO A WOMAN IS NOT AS SAME LIKE A MAN... WHEN A MOTHER GIVE BIRTH TO A CHILD OR HAVE CHILDREN SHE LOOKS AFTER HER BUT HUSBAND GOES OUT N WORK FOR THEM SO THERE IS A DIFFERENCE SO MALE ARE NOT SAME AS FEMALE... IT IS NOT MEANT LIKE MALE IS POWERFULL HE CAN SAY WHATEVER HE LIKES TO A WOMAN HE IS THIS OR THAT.,... NO NOT AT ALL.... IS THAT WRONG????? INHERITANCE FOR WOMAN DESCRIBED IN QURAN 1400 YRS AGO BUT WESTERN COUNTRIES WHERE I LIVE PASSED THIS LAW ABOUT 10 YRS AGO........WAOOO WHAT A BRILLIANT BOOK MASHALLAH,,,, I DONT SEE ANYTHING NEGATIVE WRITTEN IN THE QURAN ABOUT WOMEN?? WHERE IS IT......? I CANT FIND TO BE HONEST... HOW CAN IN 1 PLACE QURAN SAY RESPECT UR WIFE DOUGHTER MOTHER AND ON THE OTHER HAND IT SAY NO TREAT THEM LIKE ANIMALS.... PLEASE SIR READ ALL THIS THEN REPLY TO ME I GOT PLENTY MORE TO SHOW U. REGARDS SHAHAYDA To: shahayda naz Date: Jun 6, 2006 7:36 AM Subject: Re: IVE SEEN THESE WEBSITES(ANSWER) On 6/6/06, shahayda naz wrote: OK I WILL READE EVERY BIT OF WHAT U WRITE ME BUT IF U CAN ANSWER THSE I'LL APPRECIATE THAT we dont argue from today ok? we just talk like we are talking normaly about life n relegions ok? sorry for being harsh to u.. now i'll not be rude to u neither will you.... [color=purple] I have been trying to not be rude to you. I understand that hearing the truth about Islam and Muhammed is hard enough for a muslim and it makes them very very angry and they are ready to kill. In the past they have killed anyone who dared to speak the truth. That is why I try not being rude at all. I get curses and death threats and abuses all the time from muslims. But then they usually calm down if they want to know more.[/color] ok if u remember u sent me some hadeeths of aisha rehmathulaah alayhay ..... i printed out those and took it to the islamic center where i met a person abd_ur_razaak, he explained me that the person who sent u these hadeeths has made some changes in it..... not all of these were wrong HE SAID "SOME OF IT", u showing me websites of people who were xmuslims or this or that..... [color=purple] They were not changed. They were given fully but only the relevent part to make a point. You can look up any hadith yourself. Here is the link: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html If you do not want to search, just click on the name and you will get an index of all the hadith ( i.e. click on Sahih Bukahri which should be in red and that should take you to http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/ ). Everything you will find on the FFI site is backed up with references. So look it up. [/color] if i give u some hadeeths n even some translation from the QURAN ....what would u say then....? i dont want u to say that muslim translate the QURAN in a wrong way... that doesnt make sense to be honest as QURAN is the book of muslims we CANT TRANSLATE IT IN A WRONG WAY OR CHANGE IT ASTAGFIRULLAH.... ok u calm down read this n write me back ok.? like a friend. [color=purple] Yes muslims can sometime translate it the wrong way. That is why one needs to look at many different translations. Many muslims feel ashamed and they will leave out what is in arabic, or they want to make it agree with Science and they will add something that really is not there in arabic. It is only when you read a few that you are sure you are getting the full meaning. Here is a good source for the Quran translations: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/ [/color] first i explain shortly about the hadeeth revealed by MOHAMAD'S P.B.U.H WIFE AISHA{R} . A HADEETH BUKHARI TELLS US THAT WHEN ASKED AISHA REHMATHULLAH ABOUT MOHAMAD PBUH, SHE REPLIED "MOHAMMAD HELPS ME N HELPED HIS WIVES WITH THEIR WORK UNTILL IT WAS TIME TO GO TO LEAD PRAYERS, AS A PERFECT LEADER A PERFECT MUSLIM HE NEVER REGARD HELPING HIS WIVES AND ME AS A SLUR ON HIS MANHOOD" [color=purple] One thing you should learn is that always try to find out exactly which hadith is it. Try to look it up. The reason is that verbal stories like these, people tend to leave things out or change the meaning. Now that the hadith are available easily there is no reason not to have the full reference.[/color] . SHORTLY LET ME TELL U WHAT QURAN SAY ABOUT HOW TO TREAT WOMAN AFTER MARRAIGE.....if a wife spends all time looking after her home, then her man must appreciate this sacrifice and devote sufficiant time to her as rewards for her efforts....he should notice what she has done, take interest in it praise the work and her, a good muslim husband will not distress his wife by going off boozing and flirting with other woman, and neither just popinto the house for meal nand then rush outside again with his freinds. spend much much time with his wife please her help her in her house work. if not theres a swear punishmant for that person at the end. [color=purple] Shahyada, muslims will always tell you stuff like this. When you are buying anything anything tell me if the person selling is ever going to tell you the problems with what he is selling? It does not matter what a man should do and what the Quran says he should do, etc. The important thing is what are the laws that muslims have put in place to make sure that all these good things happen? So look at the actual laws and see when someone breaks those rules how do they get treated. What you say is true for all religions. Which religion says that the husband should not be good to his wife and help her? Every single one of them will say that.[/color] .ALLAH SUBHANAWATHALLAH SAY " A MUSLIM SHOULD NOT MARRY A WOMAN FOR WEALTH BEAUITY LOOKS, OR RANKBUT FOR COMPATIBILITY. ABDULLAH IBN UMAR REPORTED THAT ALLA'S MESSENGER PBUH SAID DO NOT MARRY A WOMAN FOR LOOKS WEALTH RANK, BUT FOR RESPECT AND COMPATIBILITY, IF DO NOT SO THIS WILL BE A SOURCE OF SIN. [color=purple] Where? Here is a hadith: Sahih Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 62, Number 16: Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah: While we were returning from a Ghazwa (Holy Battle) with the Prophet, I started driving my camel fast, as it was a lazy camel A rider came behind me and pricked my camel with a spear he had with him, and then my camel started running as fast as the best camel you may see. Behold! The rider was the Prophet himself. He said, 'What makes you in such a hurry?" I replied, I am newly married " He said, "Did you marry a virgin or a matron? I replied, "A matron." He said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you may play with her and she with you?" When we were about to enter (Medina), the Prophet said, "Wait so that you may enter (Medina) at night so that the lady of unkempt hair may comb her hair and the one whose husband has been absent may shave her pubic region. So here Muhammed is clearly telling Jabir that he should have married a young girl instead of a matron (and remember a matron in those days was anyone over 20) and a young girl was 8 or 9 and that is why the word used is "play with her and she with you". And I have give you the hadith number and you can look it up. Here is the link http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.ht... [/color] THE PROPHET P.B.U.H AND HIS WIVES AS U KNOW MOHAMAD PBUH MARREID KHATIJAH (R) SHE WAS HAPPY WITH HIM SHE ACCEPTED ISLAM HE NEVER MARRIED TO ANY1 IN HER LIFE. THEN HE PBUH MARREID SAWDA THE WIDOW, THEN AISHA (R). MOHAMAD PBUH NEVER HAD ANY PHYSICAL RELATION WITH HER AS HE SAID "PHYSICAN INTIMACY WOULD NOT BEGIN UNTIL THE GIRL WAS OLD ENOUGHUSUALLY AROUNT AGE 14, AS IN AISHA'S(R) CASE. [color=purple] Again there are many hadeeth showing Aisha age was 9 when muhammed started having sex with her. I have sent that to you before. Look up the hadith http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/058.sbt.ht... Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234: Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. There are more in which Aisha again and again states that she was nine when her marriage was 'consummated'. Muslims say that she was having her period and she had reached puberty. There is no hadith that says that. What I sent you last time shows that she was still playing with dolls and girls after puberty were not allowed to play with dolls. And there are other writings that say that Aisha had not even reached puberty. Look at that link. All the references are given there. [/color] AISHA (R) HERSELF RECORDED IN A HADEETH WHICH IS INFRONT OF ME SAYING " MOHAMAD PBUH LOVED ME SO MUCH CARED ABOUT ME THAT WHEN I ATE ONE PART OF THE MEAT ON A BONE AND I USED TO HAND IT TO THE PROPHET PBUH WHO WOULD BITE THE MORSEL FROM THE PLACE WHERE I HAD BITTEN, AND WHEN I DRINK WATER AND GIVE IT TO HIM PBUH HE WOULD DRINK FROM THE PLACE I HAD PUT MY LIPS." (BHUKHARI MUSLIM) like khatijah (r) aisha (r) gave full support to mohamad pbuh . AISHA (R) HAD THE FULL CONFIDENCE OF THE PROPHET PBUH DURING HIS LIFETIME. (ZARKASHI AL-IJABA 52) IBN ATA SAID (HADEETH) AISHA WAS AMONG ALL PEOPLE , THE ONE WHO HAD THE MOST KNOWLEGE OF FIQH. THE ONW WHO WAS MOST EDUCATED AND COMP[ARED TO THOSE WHO SURROUNDED HER. THE ONE WHOSE JUDGMENT WAS THE BEST. MASHALLAH(ibn hajar alasaba) if u say that only MOHAMAD HAD WIVES LIKE MORE THAN 1.... LET ME [color=purple] Do you have daughters or children? Think. Do you think a girl of nine whose mother has handed her over to someone is going to think any different? The question is not that Aisha as a child or later be cursing muhammed. Now we know girls of 8 or 9 are not emotionally, pyshically, or mentally ready for marriage even if they are having their periods. And here is the Sunnah of muhammed saying it is allright to marry a girl before puberty or at puberty. Muslims have used that example and set the age of marriage at first sign of a period. Many muslims still have pree teen wives. That is why Imam khomenii could say it is okay to have sex with a baby girl, just do not penetrate.[/color] TELL U THIS ASWELL I MEAN I WRITE THIS TO U.... IN CHRITIANITY ABRAHAM HAD THREE WIVES, JACOB HAD FOUR, DAVID HAD THIRTEEN AND SOLOMON HAD THREE HUNDRED PLUS 700 CONCUBINES.... SO IF I LEAVE ISLAM DO I ACCEPT CHRISTIANITY???? WHY???? [color=purple] Be very careful when you talk about leaving Islam. Muslims aroung you will get very very upset. Muslims can kill those who try to leave Islam. Ask all the questions you want at your mosque or even of your relatives but do not start talking of leaving Islam with them. You can get badly hurt. I am not a christian. I do not buy into any organised religion. If there is a God then he is the creator of all, christian, jews, muslims, hindus, sikhs, etc. Why not simply pray to the God of all. You are clearly a good person. You will do good things. Just pray to the Allah of us all. Nothing outwardly has to change at all. It is only learn about Muhammed and his quran and learn that it is designed to control your mind. See how upset you get when anyone even tries to question it. Do you get upset like that about anything else? [/color] GOOD PEOPLE A TRUE MUSLIM IN ISLAM IS IF WHEN HE GETS MARREID TO SOME1 HE SHOULD 1ST FIND OUT IF HE CAN AFFORD HER OR NOT,,, OTHERWISE HE'LL BE PUNISHED IF THERE WOULD BE NO JUSTICE BETWEEN HIS WIVES. [color=purple] Do the muslims have laws to make sure? No. Instead I sent you showing that in Shia Islam and in Iran and Afghanistan you can marry for 1 hour. You tell me how is that different from prostitution? These are called Mutah marriages. In Sunni they have something similar and they call them Misyar marriages. See http://i-cias.com/e.o/misyar.htm http://www.al-islam.org/al-serat/muta/ Here is from the contract laws for muta: "It is permissible for the contract to stipulate as a condition a particular time for meetings between the husband and wife, such as daytime or night-time. As already mentioned, it is also permissible for a given number of sexual acts for a given period to be stipulated, as for example, during one day or over the whole period of the marriage. These are legitimate conditions and in no way contradict the requirements of the contract. As the Prophet said: 'The believers hold fast to their conditions [which they stipulate].' However, if only a given number of sexual acts is stipulated without mention of a time period, the contract is invalid, since the time period must be stated." You tell me what kind of marriage are we talking here where the contract says how long and for how many sex acts and what kind? Is this a contract for marriage or prostitution? If you will write shorter emails then I can answer your questions. These long ones I get tired. I have not read the rest but I get the gist. You are saying what we ex-muslims have heard many many times. Yes it is part of the propoganda and I can show you why I call it propogand. Why do you not read what I have written above first. Grasp it and ask me any questions you like. Islam was copied from judaism and christianity, and so there are going to be many similarities. It is true that christians have a bad history. But christianity being bad does not make Islam good. It only shows christianity is bad. Do you understand? [/color] AISHA(R) LEFT A TREASURE OF THOUSANDS HADEETH MASHALLAH I GOT THESE HADEETH RIGHT INFRONT OF ME READING IT N SENDING IT TO U SIR. " MOHAMAD PBUH ONLY MARRIED WOMAN WHEN SHE WAS ALONE NO ONE TO TAKE CARE OF HER NO SUPPORT NOTHING AT ALL.... WHERE WOULD THAT WOMAN GO IF NO 1 ACCEPT TO MARRY HER ANSWER ME???? SOME1 WILL COME N USE HER OR RAPE HER... BUT MOHAMAD PBUH THE GREAT USED TO MARRY THESE KINDS OF WOMAN TO SUPPORT THEM MASHALLAH WHAT A PERSON . [color=purple] This is what Allah said and gave permission to Muhammed: 033.050 YUSUFALI: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. So allah had given an extra special permission to muhammed to marry anyone he wanted as many times he wanted and to have as many sex slaves he wanted (that is what the right hand possesses means). And Muhammed did marry way more than 4 times and did have many many women sex slaves. I have not answered to your points below because I have gotten really tired for now. Perhaps later. doubtless. [/color]