LONDON (Reuters) - Police arrested 33 people when violence erupted in the centre of Birmingham on Saturday after a protest against Islamic fundamentalism and a counter-demonstration.
"Officers were deployed throughout the city centre to manage the two separate protests which took place this afternoon. We can confirm 33 arrests have been made to date -- the majority for disorder," West Midlands Police said.
One person needed hospital treatment, a spokesman for the ambulance service said.
Police were unable to estimate the total number of demonstrators from either of the two groups involved, the English and Welsh Defence League, which was protesting against Islamic fundamentalism, and Unite Against Fascism.
"To date there has been one report of criminal damage to a car, although we expect further reports. We have also had reports of two people being injured and no known injuries to police officers," the police said.
Blogs promoting the English and Welsh Defence League said the group grew out of dissatisfaction with an Islamist protest in Luton in March against the homecoming parade of British troops who had served in Afghanistan.
(Reporting by David Milliken)
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE5772GK20090808
Submitted by BlackPanther (not verified) on Sun, 08/09/2009 - 23:29.
I already wrote somewhere in this website that the snow ball is rolling from a hill and it will get bigger and bigger.Now in this senerio this britisher deserve this!! Why because if he would protest against Islamic immigration earlier than this wont probably happen! Now...this picture will probably trigger further hate against Muslims in UK until Britishers will take law in their own hands and they will burn Muslims houses and mosques throghout UK. Hate crimes will rise agianst Muzies and finaly Muzies will get their as.s kicked out from great Britain!! LET THE SNOW BALL GET FURTHER BIGGER!!
Submitted by OrthodoxC (not verified) on Sun, 08/09/2009 - 23:46.
Has Britain ever had a Vietnam? Have they ever known what happens to their soldiers when the soldiers are yelled at for doing their job? It's a shame in general how the british are treating their own soldiers coming home from a war. I remember that some soldiers cannot leave the base without getting into their civilian clothes so that they won't be attacked. I feel embarrassed for Brittan. Regardless of political decisions, BE PROUD OF YOUR SOLDIERS! THEY DID THEIR JOB! As for brittan protestors being pummeled by british muslims, I hope everything turns out alright. HOWEVER, the british don't want to face their problem. It's not a religion but a way to rule people.
Submitted by Raisinhead (not verified) on Mon, 08/10/2009 - 02:06.
mUSLIMS DID THIS IN dEARBORN mICHIGAN, dEARBORNISTAN. Muslims will soon see allah in paradise as they wish. People will not take cruelty when people have been so nice to them. Infidels are not allowed in Islamdom, but they come to the land of the Devil and do fine. Then the depraved minds return to depravity under islam and want infidels to live under oppression. to all MOOSLIMS, NO THANKS. this raisin head says NO THANKS AND NO WAY HOSEA.
Submitted by average american (not verified) on Mon, 08/10/2009 - 03:20.
Were those arrested British or muslim (speaking in terms of allegience)? What I read online is that the innocent Brits are the ones arreested for inciting the muslims (and rowdy youths as well) into attacking them. Even average housewives trying to rescue their husbands as they are being jumped and beaten are arrested. The leftist (fascist?) Labor government won't have anyone messing with their favorite voting blocks. No, they bought those votes and won't hear of the bill footing members of British society messing things up for them.
Submitted by Dazza (not verified) on Mon, 08/10/2009 - 11:09.
Hi Guys.
First of all, let me state that I'm a white ENGLISH male living in England.
Whilst I agree with so many of your comments, please don't forget what Britiain has done for world peace over the last 100 years. It seems no matter what these scum do, our limp government refuses to reign them in and what's worse is that I can't see what any other government would do differently.
The problem the EDL has is that is WAS formed by a member of the BNP which is a far right nationalist Anti-semi political party. Although the protests were organised by someone not associated with that party in any way, you have to understand and as I have explained to him, it will not gain public support it needs all the time it is seen to be in keeping with this company.
Also, apperances are everything in our materialistic country. Therefore, protests involving shaven headed tattooed white males with piercings everywhere just scream BNP which everyone can do without.
When I suggested to the guy responsible for this demo that he needs the invlovment of people such as Ali Sina & Douglas Murray to help mould this movement, his reply was that these people would talk us into an Islamic state. So, I ask you my fellow freethinkers to make contact with "Lionheart" on his blog and help me make him see what's really happening here.
Islam is a WORLD disease so please let's help each other and not turn on each other because that is EXACTLY what the muslims would like.
Last of all, I personally believe the greatest allie this movement can have is the Left. They MUST be made to see that Islam runs in paralell with Nazism, an ideology which they still oppose today. I'm dam sure that if the majority of people seen to be practising Islam were White then they would be a lot more vocal. The Left need to be shamed into their moral obligations.
Submitted by msu_74 (not verified) on Mon, 08/10/2009 - 13:42.
These Muslims renounced freedom of speech if it would be used against them. They don't follow the "golden rule"...they don't want to be hurt, yet they keep on hurting the infidels. They don't want their faith be criticized and yet they keep on doing such to other faiths. They are all emulating the ways of their beloved Prophet- self-centered and egoistic fool.
Submitted by msu_74 (not verified) on Mon, 08/10/2009 - 13:47.
How about reading the news the other way around. - Christians in Egypt Beat Egyptian Protesters....you think these christians would last an hour? Nahhhhh ! C0nsider them 7 feet below the ground. L O L !!!
Submitted by jonc (not verified) on Mon, 08/10/2009 - 17:20.
Hi all,
I too am a Brit.
What is interesting is that there has been very little reporting of this in the UK, certainly on the TV news etc. and the reporting is very coy as to whom is was who was arrested.
From what I've seen, the people mostly on the receiving end of the violence were white.
(However: let me caution here, that this is on the basis of three pictures, so may be anything but the full picture.) Logic would thus dictate that most of those arrested were from the counter-demo (which seemed mostly -ahem- Asian).
But the "anti Islamic-fundamentalists" have been called "right-wing", with implied links to "skinheads" and "BNP" and given that the demo has been characterised by some media outlets as "anti-Islamic" (note 'subtle' editing of nature of demo!), I am left wondering as to whom it was that was arrested.
Court proceedings (if carried through and publicised) may tell us.
Whatever the case may be, I find it particularly depressing that a rally against Islamic-fundamentalism is dismissed as "right wing", thus suggesting that 'liberals' (with small "L") are in FAVOUR of such fundamentalism.
This is surely anachronistic: liberals should be in favour of liberty and freedom (that's why they are called "liberal" after all!), whilst Islamic-fundamentalism is diametrically opposed to such ideals.
Submitted by Dazza (not verified) on Mon, 08/10/2009 - 20:50.
jonc,
I agree regarding the media. Something must have been agreed with the government. Even TheSun have reported it as Whites attacking "Anti Fundermentalist Asians".
Something must be going on here.
Are we further down the line than we believe?
Did you read the Community Cohesion minister Shahid Malik a devout Muslim has announced the funds used to prevent young muslims becoming fundamentalists is now being used to prevent White kids becoming far rightwing in white areas.
We really are screwed aren't we?
It's like paying Muhammed to watch your daughters!
Submitted by Kokamal (not verified) on Tue, 08/11/2009 - 15:07.
I'm kinda repeating myself, but repetition is better than not speaking out against an imminent threat to the existence of the mankind.
Nothing can defeat Islam as an ideology OR, as a belief system. Islam will continue to spread far and wide all across and down Europe.
I see a few reasons for this happening:
1. The violence and destruction by WW-II broke the spirit of Europe forever -- it has lost the will to survive.
2. The whole of Europe has become a Refugee Camp for terrorists.
3. The Christianity is lost and most Europeans have turned Leftists or atheists who see Islam as a "secular" and "progressive" belief system.
4. A sudden burst of misplaced concerns for Muslims and their human-rights, religious minority rights, "persecuted" humanity, etc have taken precedence over a balanced approach to matters dealing with mankind.
5. Millions of Muslims and Sikhs from India -- that sought refuge in West have been granted asylum by Europe and America. Religious bigots, terrorists and hard-core criminals have been welcomed by West in the name of humanity.
6. Though none of these elements came over to West to contribute something to Europe or the USA. But, they've brought their own feudalistic ways and religious beliefs that are in total contrast to European life-style. They not only enjoyed the riches of welfare states but demanded their religious laws and customs to the detriment of ethos of Europe.
7. No wonder Europe will be Eurabia in next 50 yrs at the most -- with Islam the most anti-humanity ideology as the system of governance. Policy makers are drunk on their bankrupt ideology of human rights. Time to change policy makers before it is too late as it is late already.
Submitted by jonc (not verified) on Tue, 08/11/2009 - 21:19.
Dazza, you wrote: "We really are screwed aren’t we?"
I think the jury is still out on that. Despite a lot of "cow-towing", more recently there have been a few cases of MPs speaking the truth and Judges not making "allowances". Whether this indicates that the "tide has turned" or whether it is merely a "blip on the radar" I am not sure, so I'll hope for best - but expect the worst. (Also see below.)
against dumbness333: Have you noticed that most folk here debate, or at leat reason, rather than just assert and opine?
I am sorry for you if you feel the 'threat' is such as you wrote; I worry it is far, far more insidious.
Kokamal, you wrote "...Millions of Muslims and Sikhs from India..."
I hope that you are not equating Muslims and Sikhs (as what you wrote in #5 tends to imply). This is an mistake. What Muslims and Sikhs want is VERY different!
I do, however, agree with much of the tenor of the rest of your comment - though I'm not sure the British spirit is broken yet. The British have always been a pretty tolerant lot - right up to the moment we decide that "you can't do that there 'ere" (as I heard it put once).
One interpretation of the "Anti Islamic-fundamentalism" march is that, for some at least, that "line in the sand" has been crossed.
If more such marches occur, I do think that it may indicate a turning point. Perhaps other Countries will follow suit as well. (It would be interesting to see how many 'moderate' Moslems joined in too!) (Go for it USA!)
PS Sorry about the cliches, I'm tired tonight and can't be bothered to rewrite into "propa" English.
Submitted by Dazza (not verified) on Thu, 08/13/2009 - 17:23.
jonc,
You make some excellent points.
Regarding againstdumbness333, I couldn't even be bothered to reply to him/her.
Another idiot sticking their head in the sand.
"Wrestle with a Chimney Sweep you'll get dirty" in the words of another person that would share his/her opinion (G.Galloway).
We'll just put him down as a Conscientious Objector which is a posh word for Igorant Coward!
But just for the sake of Argument.
He/she wrote:
what next?
mozzies will freely enter any home,rape anybody,kill anybody,loot anybody,destroy property,etc etc all in t he name of allah or mohammed ?
Have a little read into recent history because if we don't stand up to these loons, that is not so far fom what the would do. Try looking into What happened in East Pakistan or what is now Bangladesh when they rebelled for their independence. The Pakistani Muslims RAPED 250,000 Bangladeshi women all with the express approval of the book of "peace" the Quran.
Do you really think they knocked the door first?
I think Mr Sina wrote about it somewhere on this very site.
Submitted by Kokamal (not verified) on Wed, 09/16/2009 - 08:25.
Hello jonc
You wrote: Kokamal, you wrote “…Millions of Muslims and Sikhs from India…”
I hope that you are not equating Muslims and Sikhs (as what you wrote in #5 tends to imply). This is an mistake. What Muslims and Sikhs want is VERY different!
Sikhs are very much Indians as any other.
The reasons are different but what West did was same for Muslims and Sikhs. Here the word Sikhs must be read to mean "The supporters of Bhinderavale and Khalistan". The Khalistan-supporters and some neutral Sikhs sought asylum on the ground that they "feared for their lifes". In other words, the anti-India Sikhs were encouraged by West to live in their countries and continue to work against India even to date.
West is providing asylum to Somalian criminals as well.
West has become a breeding ground for all such hardcore criminals and anti-national forces of most Afro-Asian countries.
West cannot be absolved from the crime of its encouragement to such anti-nationals ON ANY HUMANITARIAN GROUND.
Faithfreedom.org echoes the voice of ex-Muslims who want to stop the spread of Islam, expose its violent nature, and help Muslims to understand it and leave it. We believe in the oneness of humanity and oppose Islam for inciting hatred against non Muslims. Muhammad instructed his follower to conquer the world by the sword and to rule it with terror. We are determined to not let that happen.
I already wrote somewhere in
I already wrote somewhere in this website that the snow ball is rolling from a hill and it will get bigger and bigger.Now in this senerio this britisher deserve this!! Why because if he would protest against Islamic immigration earlier than this wont probably happen! Now...this picture will probably trigger further hate against Muslims in UK until Britishers will take law in their own hands and they will burn Muslims houses and mosques throghout UK. Hate crimes will rise agianst Muzies and finaly Muzies will get their as.s kicked out from great Britain!! LET THE SNOW BALL GET FURTHER BIGGER!!
Panther
Has Britain ever had a
Has Britain ever had a Vietnam? Have they ever known what happens to their soldiers when the soldiers are yelled at for doing their job? It's a shame in general how the british are treating their own soldiers coming home from a war. I remember that some soldiers cannot leave the base without getting into their civilian clothes so that they won't be attacked. I feel embarrassed for Brittan. Regardless of political decisions, BE PROUD OF YOUR SOLDIERS! THEY DID THEIR JOB! As for brittan protestors being pummeled by british muslims, I hope everything turns out alright. HOWEVER, the british don't want to face their problem. It's not a religion but a way to rule people.
mUSLIMS DID THIS IN dEARBORN
mUSLIMS DID THIS IN dEARBORN mICHIGAN, dEARBORNISTAN. Muslims will soon see allah in paradise as they wish. People will not take cruelty when people have been so nice to them. Infidels are not allowed in Islamdom, but they come to the land of the Devil and do fine. Then the depraved minds return to depravity under islam and want infidels to live under oppression. to all MOOSLIMS, NO THANKS. this raisin head says NO THANKS AND NO WAY HOSEA.
Were those arrested British
Were those arrested British or muslim (speaking in terms of allegience)? What I read online is that the innocent Brits are the ones arreested for inciting the muslims (and rowdy youths as well) into attacking them. Even average housewives trying to rescue their husbands as they are being jumped and beaten are arrested. The leftist (fascist?) Labor government won't have anyone messing with their favorite voting blocks. No, they bought those votes and won't hear of the bill footing members of British society messing things up for them.
Hi Guys. First of all, let me
Hi Guys.
First of all, let me state that I'm a white ENGLISH male living in England.
Whilst I agree with so many of your comments, please don't forget what Britiain has done for world peace over the last 100 years. It seems no matter what these scum do, our limp government refuses to reign them in and what's worse is that I can't see what any other government would do differently.
The problem the EDL has is that is WAS formed by a member of the BNP which is a far right nationalist Anti-semi political party. Although the protests were organised by someone not associated with that party in any way, you have to understand and as I have explained to him, it will not gain public support it needs all the time it is seen to be in keeping with this company.
Also, apperances are everything in our materialistic country. Therefore, protests involving shaven headed tattooed white males with piercings everywhere just scream BNP which everyone can do without.
When I suggested to the guy responsible for this demo that he needs the invlovment of people such as Ali Sina & Douglas Murray to help mould this movement, his reply was that these people would talk us into an Islamic state. So, I ask you my fellow freethinkers to make contact with "Lionheart" on his blog and help me make him see what's really happening here.
Islam is a WORLD disease so please let's help each other and not turn on each other because that is EXACTLY what the muslims would like.
Last of all, I personally believe the greatest allie this movement can have is the Left. They MUST be made to see that Islam runs in paralell with Nazism, an ideology which they still oppose today. I'm dam sure that if the majority of people seen to be practising Islam were White then they would be a lot more vocal. The Left need to be shamed into their moral obligations.
These Muslims renounced
These Muslims renounced freedom of speech if it would be used against them. They don't follow the "golden rule"...they don't want to be hurt, yet they keep on hurting the infidels. They don't want their faith be criticized and yet they keep on doing such to other faiths. They are all emulating the ways of their beloved Prophet- self-centered and egoistic fool.
How about reading the news
How about reading the news the other way around. - Christians in Egypt Beat Egyptian Protesters....you think these christians would last an hour? Nahhhhh ! C0nsider them 7 feet below the ground. L O L !!!
Hi all, I too am a Brit. What
Hi all,
I too am a Brit.
What is interesting is that there has been very little reporting of this in the UK, certainly on the TV news etc. and the reporting is very coy as to whom is was who was arrested.
From what I've seen, the people mostly on the receiving end of the violence were white.
(However: let me caution here, that this is on the basis of three pictures, so may be anything but the full picture.) Logic would thus dictate that most of those arrested were from the counter-demo (which seemed mostly -ahem- Asian).
But the "anti Islamic-fundamentalists" have been called "right-wing", with implied links to "skinheads" and "BNP" and given that the demo has been characterised by some media outlets as "anti-Islamic" (note 'subtle' editing of nature of demo!), I am left wondering as to whom it was that was arrested.
Court proceedings (if carried through and publicised) may tell us.
Whatever the case may be, I find it particularly depressing that a rally against Islamic-fundamentalism is dismissed as "right wing", thus suggesting that 'liberals' (with small "L") are in FAVOUR of such fundamentalism.
This is surely anachronistic: liberals should be in favour of liberty and freedom (that's why they are called "liberal" after all!), whilst Islamic-fundamentalism is diametrically opposed to such ideals.
jonc, I agree regarding the
jonc,
I agree regarding the media. Something must have been agreed with the government. Even TheSun have reported it as Whites attacking "Anti Fundermentalist Asians".
Something must be going on here.
Are we further down the line than we believe?
Did you read the Community Cohesion minister Shahid Malik a devout Muslim has announced the funds used to prevent young muslims becoming fundamentalists is now being used to prevent White kids becoming far rightwing in white areas.
We really are screwed aren't we?
It's like paying Muhammed to watch your daughters!
what next? mozzies will
what next?
mozzies will freely enter any home,rape anybody,kill anybody,loot anybody,destroy property,etc etc all in t he name of allah or mohammed ?
come on non-mozzies men and women...v cant get dumber than this...
peace to the world, piece to the mozzies...
I'm kinda repeating myself,
I'm kinda repeating myself, but repetition is better than not speaking out against an imminent threat to the existence of the mankind.
Nothing can defeat Islam as an ideology OR, as a belief system. Islam will continue to spread far and wide all across and down Europe.
I see a few reasons for this happening:
1. The violence and destruction by WW-II broke the spirit of Europe forever -- it has lost the will to survive.
2. The whole of Europe has become a Refugee Camp for terrorists.
3. The Christianity is lost and most Europeans have turned Leftists or atheists who see Islam as a "secular" and "progressive" belief system.
4. A sudden burst of misplaced concerns for Muslims and their human-rights, religious minority rights, "persecuted" humanity, etc have taken precedence over a balanced approach to matters dealing with mankind.
5. Millions of Muslims and Sikhs from India -- that sought refuge in West have been granted asylum by Europe and America. Religious bigots, terrorists and hard-core criminals have been welcomed by West in the name of humanity.
6. Though none of these elements came over to West to contribute something to Europe or the USA. But, they've brought their own feudalistic ways and religious beliefs that are in total contrast to European life-style. They not only enjoyed the riches of welfare states but demanded their religious laws and customs to the detriment of ethos of Europe.
7. No wonder Europe will be Eurabia in next 50 yrs at the most -- with Islam the most anti-humanity ideology as the system of governance. Policy makers are drunk on their bankrupt ideology of human rights. Time to change policy makers before it is too late as it is late already.
Dazza, you wrote: "We really
Dazza, you wrote: "We really are screwed aren’t we?"
I think the jury is still out on that. Despite a lot of "cow-towing", more recently there have been a few cases of MPs speaking the truth and Judges not making "allowances". Whether this indicates that the "tide has turned" or whether it is merely a "blip on the radar" I am not sure, so I'll hope for best - but expect the worst. (Also see below.)
against dumbness333: Have you noticed that most folk here debate, or at leat reason, rather than just assert and opine?
I am sorry for you if you feel the 'threat' is such as you wrote; I worry it is far, far more insidious.
Kokamal, you wrote "...Millions of Muslims and Sikhs from India..."
I hope that you are not equating Muslims and Sikhs (as what you wrote in #5 tends to imply). This is an mistake. What Muslims and Sikhs want is VERY different!
I do, however, agree with much of the tenor of the rest of your comment - though I'm not sure the British spirit is broken yet. The British have always been a pretty tolerant lot - right up to the moment we decide that "you can't do that there 'ere" (as I heard it put once).
One interpretation of the "Anti Islamic-fundamentalism" march is that, for some at least, that "line in the sand" has been crossed.
If more such marches occur, I do think that it may indicate a turning point. Perhaps other Countries will follow suit as well. (It would be interesting to see how many 'moderate' Moslems joined in too!) (Go for it USA!)
PS Sorry about the cliches, I'm tired tonight and can't be bothered to rewrite into "propa" English.
jonc, You make some
jonc,
You make some excellent points.
Regarding againstdumbness333, I couldn't even be bothered to reply to him/her.
Another idiot sticking their head in the sand.
"Wrestle with a Chimney Sweep you'll get dirty" in the words of another person that would share his/her opinion (G.Galloway).
We'll just put him down as a Conscientious Objector which is a posh word for Igorant Coward!
But just for the sake of Argument.
He/she wrote:
what next?
mozzies will freely enter any home,rape anybody,kill anybody,loot anybody,destroy property,etc etc all in t he name of allah or mohammed ?
Have a little read into recent history because if we don't stand up to these loons, that is not so far fom what the would do. Try looking into What happened in East Pakistan or what is now Bangladesh when they rebelled for their independence. The Pakistani Muslims RAPED 250,000 Bangladeshi women all with the express approval of the book of "peace" the Quran.
Do you really think they knocked the door first?
I think Mr Sina wrote about it somewhere on this very site.
You're not alone
You're not alone
Hello jonc You wrote:
Hello jonc
You wrote: Kokamal, you wrote “…Millions of Muslims and Sikhs from India…”
I hope that you are not equating Muslims and Sikhs (as what you wrote in #5 tends to imply). This is an mistake. What Muslims and Sikhs want is VERY different!
Sikhs are very much Indians as any other.
The reasons are different but what West did was same for Muslims and Sikhs. Here the word Sikhs must be read to mean "The supporters of Bhinderavale and Khalistan". The Khalistan-supporters and some neutral Sikhs sought asylum on the ground that they "feared for their lifes". In other words, the anti-India Sikhs were encouraged by West to live in their countries and continue to work against India even to date.
West is providing asylum to Somalian criminals as well.
West has become a breeding ground for all such hardcore criminals and anti-national forces of most Afro-Asian countries.
West cannot be absolved from the crime of its encouragement to such anti-nationals ON ANY HUMANITARIAN GROUND.