Muslim World: An Arrogant World within the World

This Umma only exist when its time for Muslims to rape and plunder.

Hi Sher Khan;
With all due respects , I beg to differ where you said--
"" Third, why don’t we hear about the Christian world, the Buddhist world or the Hindu world for that matter?""

Well we do hear about the Christian world as we hear about the Muslim World isn't it?

The twin evils we are facing since the the inception of these two Vile Cults. They follow the same or let's say similar kind of evil Books. Bible with it's New and Old Testicles and Qu'rand with all it's Hadiths. Most of the wars mentioned in the world history known to mankind of the present day world were caused by these two vile cults called Christianity and Islam.

How can you separate Christianity from Islam? Islam which is nothing but a by product of evil Christianity??? Read Qu'rand and Bible ( with new/old testicles ) and any fool can find similarities I bet.

Can any Muslim SOPig or Christian SOB disprove the above facts??

Institutional religion is always dangerous. Islam is a rooting religion. Crusades were in complete they should be have liberated the arabia of muslim filth.
Keeping North Africa Islamic is dangerous for them only as most immigration from there only. No doubt christian world was so much divided within themselves that instead of doing crusade against Islam they attacked the other sect of christians in eastern byzantine. Also when in India and malaysia instead of working with hindus and buddhists for converting the muslims they started attacking hindus and christians. Still many christians cant believe that Jesus like figure is there in another places like buddha, mahavira etc. Thats the major flaw, but luckily many educated christians are believing and accepting that there are other places where GOD, or prophet have come and gave lectures for betterment of life.
There is always god helping mankind to proceed further in humanity. Like scientists developing various technologies so that any small event happening in one part of the world is decipitated to other part within seconds. We can see and have a better picture of the world. Now what's sharia is even known by japanese who never faced muslim onslaught.Its unfortunate that media, world agencies are putting blind eye to non-muslims and women in muslim countries.
In this present world no other religion than islam pocess mankind as much danger.
If history teaches us anything all non-muslim religions should unite and convert muslim fools. Even if they convert to scientology and believe in some UFO theory its not a problem, but Islam is barbaric religion and people stops thinking.

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Right this chappy has had his nappies changed by his mother so quickly.Yes the biblical cretin.

Wow the pedo fighter is there , kicking and alive just like his pedo prophet.
Hi Pedo.67 how are you baby? Did your pedo father let you use the PC tonight?
Don't break the key board and your father's dangling mouse baby Xian.

Sorry proudkafir, ibrahim, halalpork and other sensible people I could not help it . I mean fingering the Skunk "FkFk67" the Xian skunk. Well the Xians stink . LOL

Second thought ; don't you people think the Xian skunks are amusing animals??

We had Chimpof islam , JAH etc but this FkFk67 can beat them all as far as entertainment on this forum is concerned. Am I correct?

Just read what the cretin Xian has written. Ha ha ha ha

---I apologize if this article has nothing to do with Islam but I really with all my heart Islam and Hinduism are the same. That’s why I have to attack this false religion as well. Hinduism---

Well well well it seems this cretin Xian "FF67" thinks he has the evil organ called HEART and the evil organ called BRAIN???St. Paul was a poor Xian no doubt.

Baby FF67 skunk don't tuck your stinking tail yet baby . We are enjoying your stinking Xian show. Ha ha ha ha .

Examining the Christian book of Hatred, also know the Bible.

Top 6 Incestuous Relationships In The Bible - Listverse

6. Cain and his Wife

And Cain went out from the face of the Lord, and dwelt as a fugitive on the earth, at the east side of Eden. And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived, and brought forth Henoch: and he built a city, and called the name thereof by the name of his son Henoch. [Genesis 4:16-17]

Cain was the first born son of Adam and Eve, and Abel was the second. In Genesis 4 we read how Cain kills his brother and is sent east of Eden where he marries a woman and "lays" with her. Because Adam and Eve were the first humans - from whom all people come - Cain's wife was his sister - and, consequently, all of the early Biblical relationships were incestuous (with the exception of Adam and Eve). Cain, incidentally, was the guy that caused so much trouble for the Mormon's who believed that the cursed "Mark of Cain" meant black skin, leading them to forbid blacks from entering the Mormon priesthood (God "revealed" that they were allowed to let black skinned people in to the priesthood in 1978). You can read more about that blunder here. In the image above we see Cain killing his brother Abel.

5. Abraham and Sara

Howbeit, otherwise also she is truly my sister, the daughter of my father, and not the daughter of my mother, and I took her to wife. And after God brought me out of my father's house, I said to her: Thou shalt do me this kindness: In every place, to which we shall come, thou shalt say that I am thy brother. [Genesis 20:12-13]

Abraham married his half sister Sara in Ur. The King of Gerara took her from Abraham and God sent him a dream to tell him that he would be destroyed for taking a woman who already had a husband (God approved of the marriage between the brother and sister). The King returned Sara to Abraham and they remained together as a couple until she died at the age of 127. Incidentally, Abraham died 38 years later at the ripe old age of 175.

4. Nachor and Melcha

And Thare lived seventy years, and begot Abram, and Nachor, and Aran. And these are the generations of Thare: Thare begot Abram, Nachor, and Aran. And Aran begot Lot. And Aran died before Thare his father, in the land of his nativity in Ur of the Chaldees. And Abram and Nachor married wives: the name of Abram's wife was Sarai: and the name of Nachor's wife, Melcha, the daughter of Aran, father of Melcha, and father of Jescha. [Genesis 11:26-29]

This is one of those complex "generations" quotes that are found throughout the early stages of the Bible, but if you pay close attention you can see that Nachor (Abraham's brother) married Melcha (his niece). It is phrases like those above which make it so difficult to read the Bible cover to cover. Frankly, these parts of the Bible make Proust's "In Remembrance of Things Past" read like a Doctor Seuss book!

3. Lot and his Daughters

And the elder said to the younger Our father is old, and there is no man left on the earth, to come in unto us after the manner of the whole earth. Come, let us make him drunk with wine, and let us lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the elder went in and lay with her father: but he perceived not neither when his daughter lay down, nor when she rose up. And the next day the elder said to the younger: Behold I lay last night with my father, let us make him drink wine also to night, and thou shalt lie with him, that we may save seed of our father. They made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in, and lay with him: and neither then did he perceive when she lay down, nor when she rose up. So the two daughters of Lot were with child by their father. [Genesis 19:31-36]

It doesn't really get much more blatant than that. The two daughters had sex with their father, Lot, in order to preserve his family line. Incidentally, this all happened shortly after they had fled from Soddom and Gomorrah which was destroyed by God for its immorality - ironic?. After the events described above, Lot had no memory of it (maybe it was the liquor) and nine months later the daughters gave birth to two sons, Moab (father of the Moabites), and Ammon (father of the Ammonites).

2. Amram and Jochabed

The sons of Merari: Moholi and Musi. These are the kindreds of Levi by their families. 20 And Amram took to wife Jochabed his aunt by the father's side: and she bore him Aaron and Moses. And the years of Amram's life were a hundred and thirty-seven. [Exodus 6:19-20]

This is the family history of Moses - the guy who lead the Jews out of Egypt and later was given the ten commandments (which were not actually 10 commandments - more on that here). Jochabed was Moses' Great-aunty Mom.

1. Amnon and Thamar

And it came to pass after this, that Amnon the son of David loved the sister of Absalom the son of David, who was very beautiful, and her name was Thamar. And he was exceedingly fond of her, so that he fell sick for the love of her: for as she was a virgin, he thought it hard to do any thing dishonestly with her. [II Kings 13:1-2 ] And Thamar came to the house of Amnon her brother: but he was laid down: and she took meal and tempered it: and dissolving it in his sight she made little messes. And taking what she had boiled, she poured it out, and set it before him, but he would not eat: and Amnon said: Put out all persons from me. And when they had put all persons out, Amnon said to Thamar: Bring the mess into the chamber, that I may eat at thy hand. And when she had presented him the meat, he took hold of her, and said: Come lie with me, my sister. She answered him: Do not so, my brother, do not force me: for no such thing must be done in Israel. Do not thou this folly. [II Kings 13:8-12] But he would not hearken to her prayers, but being stronger overpowered her and lay with her. [II Kings 13:14]

Our final item is not just a case of incest - it is a case of incestuous rape! Amnon fell in love with his sister, Thomar, and was counseled by a crafty man to trick her in to having sex with him. He followed the bad advice and when Thomar tried to defend herself, he raped her. At least justice was ultimately done as Thomar's other brother, Absalom, killed Amnon two years later in vengeance. Let that be a lesson to us all!

Now allow me to tell some facts about Christians which perhaps not many of you might not be aware of, I will tell you a few simple things which will help you in recognizing these Filthy Corpse worshippers:

I am really sorry if I hurt the emotions of some Corpse worshippers, but as you all know I am here to expose the evil Abrahmic cults, I find it extremely difficult to restrain myself from exposing the the source of all evil, the evil barabaric cult of Christianity.

We cannot understand the reaons or the origins of the Christian love for inceIncestuous Relationships, without going through the Scriptures of the Evil Corpse worshippers, also know as Christians. It is of extreme importance that we analyse these scriptures to understand these poor mentally diseased people who have no hope or cure.

many people wonder why most Chruch fathers are Paedophiles, and most nuns are town sluts. Let me give you an insight into the guiding principles of the evil Corpse worshippers.

Chapter II.

Isaac, The Son of Abram,
And His Wife Rebekah.

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"Like Father, like son" -- "a chip of the old block," so to speak, seems to have been the case of Isaac, the son of Abram. Since the Lord so favored Abram for the life he led, it is no wonder that Isaac "followed his father's footsteps." For we find this gallant specimen of the early Jewish Fathers ready to do the same degrading and despicable act with his "fair to look upon" wife, Rebekah, as his father Abram did to his mother Sarai. No complaint here for lack of filial devotion. He ran "true to form" as the saying goes.

For proof I quote Genesis, Chapter 26, Verses 1-7.

And there was a famine in the land, besides the first famine that was in the days of Abraham. And Isaac went unto Abimelech king of the Philistines unto Gerar.
2. And the Lord appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt: dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of.

3. Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee: for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;

4. And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed:

5. Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

6. And Isaac dwelt in Gerar.

7. And the men of the place asked him of his wife; and he said, She is my sister: for he feared to say, She is my wife; lest, said he, the men of the place should kill me for Rebekah; because she was fair to look upon.

Besides Isaac inheriting his father's tendencies and following in his footsteps, he also inherited his father's ability to select pretty women. Rebekah was as "fair to look upon" as was Sarai, and it seems that both women were so fascinating that wherever they went other men coveted them. Isaac, as well as Abraham,[5] was ready and willing to prostitute his wife for protection to himself.

Genesis, Chapter 26, Verses 8-11.

8. And it came to pass, when he had been there a long time, that Abimelech king of the Philistines looked out at a window, and saw, and, behold, Isaac was sporting with Rebekah his wife.
9. And Abimelech called Isaac, and said, Behold, of a surety she is thy wife: and how saidst thou, She is my sister? And Isaac said unto him, Because I said, Lest I die for her.

10. And Abimelech said, What is this thou hast done unto us? one of the people might lightly have lain with thy wife, and thou shouldest have brought guiltiness upon us.

11. And Abimelech charged all his people, saying, He that toucheth this man or his wile shall surely be put to death.

In Biblical times there was less occasion for the ingenuity of "peeping Toms." Houses were not built as they are to-day. Provisions for privacy were somewhat lacking. Windows and window shades were luxuries that were to be enjoyed at a much later and Pagan period.

Despite the fact that Isaac "deceived" King Abimelech as to the true relationship of Rebekah, the King nevertheless must have found it quite amusing to watch Isaac sporting with her. Abimelech significantly remarks: "Of a surety she is thy wife." What sport could a man and woman "play" so that another person can "for a surety" classify them as man and wife? The word "sporting" as used in this connection cannot fail of its intended meaning.

What a fine situation does this pretty story present to put before an inquiring and inquisitive child! Fond Parents, suppose you had taught your child to revere the Bible, and your child, being dutiful. read it for "inspiration and guidance." Suppose he chanced upon this delightful story, and being unable to grasp the subtle meaning of the word sporting as used in this connection, came to you for an explanation? What answer would you give your child? Would you deliberately lie to him and say that they were kissing each other; or would you more properly caution your child against reading a book which contained a story with such an inference. Wouldn't you consider a book that contained such a suggestive narrative utterly unfit for your child's reading?

Or is it that you yourselves are totally ignorant of what the Bible contains, and, like the rest of mankind, accept it because it has been handed down from generation to generation?

Any one who has the Bible in his home has a very questionable book in his household, and he should not be dismayed if any of his children follow the examples that are found therein.

But back to the Biblical characters for a moment, and let us engage this moment in reflection. There has been a great misunderstanding about the Bible. Instead of admiring and exalting the characters we are told to revere, we should admire and exalt the characters we are told were heathens.

Is not in this story the character of Abimelech more sterling and elevating than that of Isaac? Does he not chide Isaac for deception when he discovers that Rebekah is his wife and not his sister? Does he not censure him for the great harm he might have brought upon her? Should we admire a man who is willing to sacrifice his wife to save himself and condemn another who seeks to protect her? The ninth and tenth verses quoted in this story should be blazoned forth to all the land as an example of an unprincipled character in contrast to that of a man of sterling integrity. The severe reprimand given Isaac by Abimelech when he said: 'What is this thou has done unto us? One of the people might lightly have lain with thy wife, and thou shouldest have brought guiltiness upon us," is sufficient condemnation by Biblical testimony alone for his act.

To the fair daughters of the land, I advise them before they take a man as a husband to make sure that he does not believe too literally in the morality of the Bible, and that his attitude towards woman be of a different hue than that of the character which the religious element of the community have admonished us to follow so implicitly.

The preacher finds profit and interest in telling you about the little farce of Abraham offering this precious son, Isaac, as a sacrifice to the Lord, but they don't tell you how this same son, whom the Lord so opportunely saved, was willing to offer his wife to the lust of another without the Lord even giving it a "second thought."

I wonder where the Lord was, while this interesting scene, which Abimelech observed, was taking place. Was he also enjoying the sight of watching Isaac sporting with Rebekah?

We will now proceed to the next divinely inspired story. In this story the very lowest ebb of moral degradation is reached. To think that a book held so sacred should contain such a narrative is almost beyond comprehension.

This story, taken from the book that is supposed to be our infallible guide in all the relations of life, is really beneath contempt. But it is so necessary and essential that the world know exactly what the Bible contains that I will quote the vital parts of it to you. Comment upon this story will not be necessary, as it is one of those narratives which tell in no uncertain terms their own story and worth. If this story were told with some degree of polish or merit, we might value it for its literary worth, but it is so miserable, both in its literary style and in its plot, that it is even unfit to dwell upon except to expose its degrading lesson.

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Chapter III.

Incest or Lot and His Daughters.

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That ministers and "messengers of the Lord" have always enjoyed privileges denied to others is a fact, despite the fact that this fact is a paradox. That "holy men," men who know least about what they pretend to know, should take precedence over the rest of mankind is an incongruity. And it is because of two such "holy men" that a father, and incidentally a grand Patriarch of the Bible, offers his daughters upon the alter of lust.

But the Bible can tell its own story best and so I quote Genesis, Chapter 19, Verses 1-7.

And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
2. And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

3. And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

4. But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5. And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

6. And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

7. And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

Being unable to satisfy the men of Sodom by persuasion, and rather than surrender these two precious "angels" to them, Lot resorted to a method which very seldom fails with "unreasonable" men. When an appeal to their manhood is of no avail many women seek death rather than suffer the embrace of their attacker, and we admire women with such courage, but that is not according to Biblical standard. This is the method the Bible advises us to pursue.

Genesis, Chapter 19, Verse 8.

8. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

An elevating situation is this! Here is a father willing to give his two virgin daughters to an angry mob of men to "do ye to them as is good in your eyes," which simply means to rape them, provided they do not harm the two angels of the Lord.

It is important for parents who are so concerned about the moral life of their children and whose interests they have so much at heart -- especially their daughters -- to consider well this story. If parents who are believers in the Bible are concerned about the places of amusement and companions of their children, they should consider this story when they admonish them to read the Bible for guidance.

What father would follow the example of this "man of God" who, when the exigency of the circumstances just related arose, offered his daughters to be so sacrificed? I do not know what you think of a father who would give his two virgin daughters to the lust of an angry mob of men to protect two angels of the Lord, but my love of liberty deters me from telling you what I think of him.

The story continues in the Bible with God having saved Lot and his family and bringing destruction upon the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, for their wickedness. As we are not concerned with that element of the Bible at the present time it is needless to dwell upon the puerility of the narrative chronicling this event. But I do not think I will digress too far when I call your attention for a moment to the justice of God in saving and blessing a man of Lot's unprincipled character, after he had offered his two daughters upon the altar of lust.

After God had rained "fire and brimstone" upon the people of Sodom and Gomorrah and had destroyed all the inhabitants and "all that grew upon the ground," we find Lot with his wife and two daughters safe beyond the limits of destruction. We are all acquainted with what happened to Lot's wife because she desired to see what happened. I am sure we all would have done the same thing under the circumstances. It is a natural impulse, and one of the strongest of our nature. With only Lot and his two daughters left of all the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah, whom you will remember God destroyed for their wickedness, let us follow closely the action of their lives and see what a beneficent example and legacy of morality they left the world. Let us also weigh in the balance God's judgment in making this selection. We now come to the most important phase of this story, and if you are ready to read the details of an incestuous union between father and daughter, read attentively what is to follow.

I am quoting from the Holy Bible, Genesis, Chapter 19, Verses 30-38.

30. And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.
31. And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:

32. Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

33. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

34. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

35. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

36. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

37. And the firstborn bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.

38. And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Ben-ammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.

My vocabulary fails me in trying to comment properly upon this story. Just think of it! A father committing the sexual act with his own daughters and so drunk that "he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose!"

Is it possible that people really grasp the significance of this story? Are they aware of its gross debauchery? Can the minute details of this story be read without bringing a blush of shame to the cheeks of the reader?

Just a word to parents about this "Holy Book of God." What would you fathers and mothers say if your daughter should read the Bible and come and tell you, in detail, of this revolting episode? It is needless to ask what you would do if she brought home another book in which a story of this kind appeared. You would admonish her never to pollute her mind with such filth. If that would be your action with a book of any other title than that of "Holy Bible," to what depths of superstition have you sunk that you are so blind to its degrading influence?

Wake up, well-meaning parents, and become conscious of the obscenity to be found in this unwholesome book. A whole volume could be written about this story of Lot and his daughters, but at present we are only concerned with the act of incest.

This story of Lot and his daughters does not even contain a moral. The father to-day who is guilty of such an act is sent to prison. If he were so drunk that "he did not know when she lay down nor when she arose," it would be so much the worse for him.

This story of the Bible is too revolting to dwell upon longer except once more to impress forcibly upon you the "high elevating moral standard of its pages." I ask, is it possible for a person to read such a story, and then tell the innocent children of the race to read the Bible for moral inspiration and guidance? A story in which the very name of father is slandered, and where the pure blossom of womanhood is pictured in this degenerate manner.

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Chapter IV.

Jacob, Leah and Rachel.

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Integrity and faithfulness are two virtues which we cherish above all others. Deception is abhorred, no matter in what condition, or by whom it is practiced. But since Jacob is a Patriarch of the Bible and one of God's favorites, deception when practiced by him is excusable. Pardonable also is the prostitutional bickering between two wives when related in the Bible. Were such a scene to be found in any other book it would very properly be called vulgar and judged too coarse for cultural reading.

The story goes that Jacob came unto the house of Laban, who had two daughters. Leah, tender eyed, was the elder; but Rachel, the younger, was beautiful and well favoured. But let the story be told as the Bible records it.

I quote Genesis, Chapter 29, Verses 15-20.

15. And Laban said unto Jacob, Because thou art my brother, shouldest thou therefore serve me for nought? tell me, what shall thy wages be?
16. And Laban had two daughters: the name of the elder was Leah, and the name of the younger was Rachel.

17. Leah was tender eyed; but Rachel was beautiful and well favoured.

18. And Jacob loved Rachel; and said, I will serve thee seven years for Rachel thy younger daughter.

19. And Laban said, It is better that I give her to thee, than that I should give her to another man: abide with me.

20. And Jacob served seven years for Rachel; and they seemed unto him but a few days, for the love he had to her.

Now so much for the bargain. Jacob served seven years for the girl he loved. Surely such a servitude is well deserving of payment. Since there was no pretense made as to why Jacob wanted Rachel as his wife, I will quote it here.

Genesis, Chapter 29, Verse 21.

21. And Jacob said unto Laban, Give me my wife, for my days are fulfilled, that I may go in unto her.

It is needless to mention here the almost irrepressible desire to embrace his wife that obsesses a man on his wedding night, particularly when he has waited seven years to win the object of his love. But since the Bible has led us so far into the story we will let it continue with the narrative:

Genesis, Chapter 29, Verses 22-24.

22. And Laban gathered together all the men of the place, and made a feast.
23. And it came to pass in the evening, that he took Leah his daughter, and brought her to him; and he went in unto her.

24. And Laban gave unto his daughter Leah Zilpah his maid for a handmaid.

Since Leah and Rachel were not twins and since their descriptions, as Biblically described, were such as to unhesitatingly distinguish one from the other, Jacob must have been blinded by passion not to have seen that the daughter given him by Laban was not the one he had bargained for. Nevertheless, "he went in unto her," and only discovered his mistake the following morning; no doubt when the light of day shone upon her.

But back to our story, and see what happens when Jacob discovers that the woman he lay with the night before was not the one for whom he had labored seven years and was to receive as his share of the bargain. His choice was Rachel, "the beautiful and well favoured." The deception of Laban is not of interest to us at this time. Since it is Jacob's concern we will let him speak for himself.

Genesis, Chapter 29, Verse 25.

25. And it came to pass that in the morning, behold, it was Leah: and he said to Laban, What is this thou hast done unto me? did not I serve with thee for Rachel? wherefore then hast thou beguiled me?

No one can deny the fact that Jacob was perfectly justified in his complaint. For a mere pittance of another seven years of labor Laban gives Jacob, after a week's work as a bond of good faith, the daughter of his choice. But since the Bible can tell this detail of the matter better than I can, I will give way to it.

Genesis, Chapter 29, Verses 26-30.

26. And Laban said, It must not be so done in our country, to give the younger before the firstborn.
27. Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years.

28. And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also.

29. And Laban gave to Rachel his daughter Bilhah his handmaid to be her maid.

30. And he went in also unto Rachel, and he loved also Rachel more than Leah, and served with him yet seven other years.

And now the Lord enters into this family affair, not to help the situation, as one would expect from an omniscient being, but to bring his curses with him.

Genesis, Chapter 29, Verse 31.

31. And when the Lord saw that Leah was hated, he opened her womb, but Rachel was barren.

The fecundity of Leah, after the Lord "opened her womb," is surely worth recording and it follows.

Genesis, Chapter 29, Verses 32-35.

32. And Leah conceived, and bare a son; and she called his name Reuben: for she said, Surely the Lord hath looked upon my affliction; now therefore my husband will love me.
33. And she conceived again, and bare a son; and said, Because the Lord hath heard that I was hated, he hath therefore given me this son also: and she called his name Simeon.

34. And she conceived again, and bare a son; and said, Now this time will my husband be joined unto me, because I have borne him three sons: therefore was his name called Levi.

35. And she conceived again, and bare a son; and she said, Now will I praise the Lord: therefore she called his name Judah; and left bearing.

Unfortunately, because of Leah's fecundity, Rachel becomes jealous of her sister and demands of Jacob that she, too, bear him a child. Jacob chides her for demanding of him that which he would be only too willing to give, but the fault lies with her. As fecund as was her sister so sterile was she. But a peculiar method is pursued by the Biblical female characters when they find themselves unable to bear children. This method prevailed in the household of Abram and Sarai and I see no reason why it should not be permissible in the polygamous household of Jacob, Leah and Rachel.

Genesis, Chapter 30, Verses 1-4.

And when Rachel saw that she bare Jacob no children, Rachel envied her sister; and said unto Jacob, Give me children, or else I die.
2. And Jacob's anger was kindled against Rachel; and he said, Am I in God's stead, who hath withheld from thee the fruit of the womb?

3. And she said, Behold my maid Bilhah, go in unto her; and she shall bear upon my knees, that I may also have children by her.

4. And she gave him Bilhah her handmaid to wife: and Jacob went in unto her.

Like Abraham, Jacob lost no time in complying with the wishes of Rachel to "go in unto" Bilhah, her handmaid. What an accommodating arrangement must have prevailed for the Biblical men of old. No wonder we have agitations to go "Back to Methuselah."

But to record the progeny of Jacob we continue to quote

Genesis, Chapter 30, Verses 5-8.

5. And Bilhah conceived, and bare Jacob a son.
6. And Rachel said, God hath judged me, and hath also heard my voice, and hath given me a son: therefore called she his name Dan.

7. And Bilhah Rachel's maid conceived again, and bare Jacob a second son.

8. And Rachel said, With great wrestlings have I wrestled with my sister, and I have prevailed: and she called his name Naphtali.

That must have been a spectacular wrestling match between Leah and Rachel. But Leah was not to be outdone, and when she could no longer bear children, gives Jacob Zilpah, her handmaid, to continue the race in her desperation to overcome the comeliness of her sister.

Genesis, Chapter 30, Verses 9-13.

9. When Leah saw that she had left bearing, she took Zilpah her maid, and gave her Jacob to wife.
10. And Zilpah Leah's maid bare Jacob a son.

11. And Leah said, A troop cometh: and she called his name Gad.

12. And Zilpah Leah's maid bare Jacob a second son.

13. And Leah said, Happy am I, for the daughters will call me blessed: and she called his name Asher.

In the 11th verse just mentioned I believe there must be a mistake regarding the number of children Zilpah, Leah's maid, bore at this time. To quote: "And Leah said, A troop cometh; and she called his name Gad." Judging from the word "troop" I was led to believe that she was to bear twins or triplets, but again, I suppose I must confess my lack of spiritual understanding.

A situation which I believe quite unparalleled in the literature of the land and sufficient unto itself without further comment, follows.

Genesis, Chapter 30, Verses 14-16.

14. And Reuben went in the days of wheat harvest, and found mandrakes in the field, and brought them unto his mother Leah. Then Rachel said to Leah, Give me, I pray thee, of thy son's mandrakes.
15. And she said unto her, Is it a small matter that thou hast taken my husband? and wouldest thou take away my son's mandrakes also? And Rachel said, Therefore he shall lie with thee to night for thy son's mandrakes.

16. And Jacob came out of the field in the evening, and Leah went out to meet him, and said, Thou must come in unto me; for surely I have hired thee with my son's mandrakes. And he lay with her that night.

For a sister to bribe a sister with the sweat of her son's labor for the privilege of sexual intercourse with her own husband is too coarse an act of prostitution for me to comment upon further. Can you find in any book other than the Bible such a despicable bargaining?

"And Rachel said, Therefore he shall lie with thee to-night for thy son's mandrakes.

"And Jacob came out of the field in the evening, and Leah went out to meet him, and said, Thou must come in unto me; for surely I have hired thee with my son's mandrakes." And the Bible does not hesitate to say that "he lay with her that night!"

To dwell upon the degrading custom of polygamy as was practiced in the early Biblical days is not exactly within the scope of this work, and for that reason I will leave unmentioned some of the recorded instances of this condemned institution.

I cannot understand how public men, men of learning and experience, can insist that the Bible, which contains the stories quoted that shock even the vulgar-minded, should be our pre-eminent guide in all earthly affairs, and that it should not only be read by, but actually taught to the growing generation in search of high moral ethics.

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Chapter V.

The Rape of Dinah.

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Since the Biblical narrations thus far have contained stories of lust, incest, infidelity, and prostitution surely a story of rape is not out of place and I therefore proceed to relate the story of the rape of Dinah, the daughter of Leah, who was the un-bargained-for and unwanted wife of Jacob, by young Shechem, the son of Hamor the Hivite.

Rape is a delicate subject and should be delicately handled. Even in our Courts of law it is considered of such a nature that the general public is not permitted in the court room during its recital. What then must be said when such a story is found prominently related in the Bible, a book which is reverentially impressed upon our children as being "a divine revelation from God"? Could a more obnoxious and offensive story than that of rape be put into the hands of the young?

This story alone is sufficient to condemn the Bible as being unfit to inculcate moral instruction in children. Since the story is found in the Bible and is not the result of my imagination, I will proceed with it.

I quote the Scriptures, Genesis, Chapter 34, Verses 1-2.

And Dinah the daughter of Leah, which she bare unto Jacob, went out to see the daughters of the land.
2. And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and defiled her.

So much for the act of rape, and what followed I consider of equal importance and will proceed.

Genesis, Chapter 34, Verse 3.

3. And his soul crave unto Dinah the daughter of Jacob, and he loved the damsel and spake kindly unto the damsel.

Surely here is a situation that deserves at least our respect. If a man, unable to control his passion towards the irresistible witchery of a girl, realizes his mistake and is willing to protect her not only with his name but also with his love, what should be our attitude towards him? Especially so, when the girl, the object of his passion and his love, willingly accedes to his proposal.

A fair and just and equitable offer should be met with the acceptance it deserves.

Genesis, Chapter 34, Verses 4-12.

4. And Shechem spake unto his father Hamor, saying, Get me this damsel to wife.
5. And Jacob heard that he had defiled Dinah his daughter: now his sons were with his cattle in the field: and Jacob held his peace until they were come.

6. And Hamor the father of Shechem went out unto Jacob to commune with him.

7. And the sons of Jacob came out of the field when they heard it: and the men were grieved, and they were very wroth, because he had wrought folly in Israel in lying with Jacob's daughter; which thing ought not to be done.

8. And Hamor communed with them, saying, The soul of my son Shechem longeth for your daughter: I pray you give her to him to wife.

9. And make ye marriages with us, and give your daughters unto us, and take our daughters unto you.

10. And ye shall dwell with us: and the land shall be before you; dwell and trade ye therein, and get you possessions therein.

11. And Shechem said unto her father and unto her brethren, Let me find grace in your eyes, and what ye shall say unto me I will give.

12. Ask me never so much dowry and gift, and I will give according as ye shall say unto me: but give me the damsel to wife.

Surely no man could plead his suit more earnestly nor with more sincerity than young Shechem; nor do more to atone for the act of his impetuous youth.

What can a man more honorably offer than "Ask me never so much dowry and gift, and I will give according as ye shall say unto me"? He pleaded his cause with fervor, ardor, and honesty, and if Justice is blind as some say, and the scales faulty, he did not deserve the brutal retaliation which the sons of Jacob inflicted upon him, his family and his country.

But we are getting a bit ahead of our story and must continue to quote the Scriptures. Now here is what Jacob and his sons demanded of Shechem and Hamor as reparation for his deed.

Genesis, Chapter 34, Verses 13-18.

13. And the sons of Jacob answered Shechem and Hamor his father deceitfully, and said, because he had defiled Dinah their sister:
14. And they said unto them, We cannot to this thing, to give our sister to one that is uncircumcised; for that were a reproach unto us:

15. But in this will we consent unto you: If ye will be as we be, that every male of you be circumcised;

16. Then will we give our daughters unto you, and we will take your daughters to us, and we will dwell with you, and we will become one people.

17. But if ye will not hearken unto us, to be circumcised; then will we take our daughter, and we will be gone.

18. And their words pleased Hamor and Shechem Hamor's son.

Circumcision is the price demanded! Honor, Love and Protection are subordinate to the existence of a foreskin! The ritual of a creed is of more transcendent importance than anything else within the power of man to give! Think of it! More important than peace, friendliness and the happiness of not only a race but of the entire country. Anxious to keep his pledge of "never so much dowry and gift" to win the object of his love and make amends for his misdeed young Shechem complied immediately with their demand as the following testifies.

Genesis, Chapter 34, Verse 19.

19. And the young man deferred not to do the thing, because he had delight in Jacob's daughter: and he was more honourable than all the house of his father.

That he was more honorable than all the house of his father is not true according to the following testimony: Genesis, Chapter 34, Verses 20-24.

20. And Hamor and Shechem his son came unto the gate of their city, and communed with the men of their city, saying,
21. These men are peaceable with us; therefore let them dwell in the land, and trade therein; for the land, behold, it is large enough for them; let us take their daughters to us for wives, and let us give them our daughters.

22. Only herein will the men consent unto us for to dwell with us, to be one people, if every male among us be circumcised, as they are circumcised.

23. Shall not their cattle and their substance and every beast of theirs be ours? only let us consent unto them, and they will dwell with us.

24. And unto Hamor and unto Shechem his son hearkened all that went out of the gate of his city; and every male was circumcised, all that went out of the gate of his city.

Is there recorded in all history a more honorable compliance with the demands of another than that just quoted of the House of Hamor? But this was not enough and did not satisfy the savage cravings of Jacob's sons, and if you read carefully of what went before you would have pondered over verse 13, of this chapter.

Let me repeat it for your benefit: "And the sons of Jacob answered Shechem and his father deceitfully."

And now follows the most diabolical crime ever perpetrated upon an innocent people, particularly when done in the name of Peace. I call the attention of those ardent peace lovers who use the Bible in their deliberations to this passage. As you probably are not acquainted with the deviltry of the Biblical characters or with what cunning savageness they can inflict punishment, I will quote it verbatim to you.

Genesis, Chapter 34, Verses 25-29.

25. And it came to pass on the third day, when they were sore, that two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brethren, took each man his sword, and came upon the city boldly, and slew all the males.
26. And they slew Hamor and Shechem his son with the edge of the sword, and took Dinah out of Shechem's house, and went out.

27. The sons of Jacob came upon the slain, and spoiled the city, because they had defiled their sister.

28. They took their sheep, and their oxen, and their asses, and that which was in the city, and that which was in the field,

29. And all their wealth, and all their little ones, and their wives took they captive, and spoiled even all that was in the house.

And this is a sample of Biblical ethics, Biblical morals, Biblical justice!

Well might Jacob say that this deed makes him stink among the inhabitants of the land. Since this is a Biblical expression, let me quote it.

Genesis, Chapter 34, Verses 30-31.

30. And Jacob said to Simeon and Levi, Ye have troubled me to make me to stink among the inhabitants of the land, among the Canaanites and the Perizzites: and I being few in number, they shall gather themselves together against me, and slay me; and I shall be destroyed, I and my house.
31. And they said, Should he deal with our sister as with a harlot?

A pitiable justification cannot condone this foul deed. Its stench pollutes the entire volume and not only nauseates the reader but contaminates the very pages upon which it is written. All ye Ministers, Priests and Rabbis, what say ye of this vicious story and the vicious book in which it is printed? Are ye stunned into speechlessness by its atrociousness?

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Chapter VI.

Joseph and Potiphar's Wife.

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The story of Joseph is familiar to us; that is, he being Jacob's favorite son, his father made him a coat of many colors; and how his brothers being jealous, put him into a pit to starve to death. But for fear that their crime would be detected, they decided instead to sell him to the Egyptians. After the consummation of this business transaction and with full satisfaction of their revenge, his brothers sought a plausible explanation to Jacob for the disappearance of his favorite child. Their explanation was "clever," to say the least. They took Joseph's famous coat of many colors, which his father had given him, and killing a tender goat, smeared it with the blood of the animal. This blood-smeared coat they took to their father and told him that Joseph was killed, and of course Jacob believed it. And this, despite the fact that Jacob was on intimate terms with God. It appears that God did not want to tell him the truth of the matter. He evidently wanted as the English would say, to spoof him. That Joseph's brothers sold him at a bargain price can be imagined, as he was quickly resold into bondage and we find him in the possession of a man by the name of Potiphar. What transpires during Joseph's servitude in the household of Potiphar particularly concerns us in the story of this famous Biblical character.

I will not make much comment upon the story, nor the plot, nor the characters mentioned, but will record it for the purpose of showing that it contains a bit of "snappy" fiction, and advise those who purchase magazines containing such stories, and who relish the lascivious, to skip next month's issue and purchase instead a copy of the Bible.

I quote Genesis, Chapter 39, Verses 1-6.

And Joseph was brought down to Egypt; and Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh, captain of the guard, an Egyptian, bought him of the hands of the Ishmaelites, which had brought him down thither.
2. And the Lord was with Joseph, and he was a prosperous man; and he was in the house of his master the Egyptian.

3. And his master saw that the Lord was with him, and that the Lord made all that he did to prosper in his hand.

4. And Joseph found grace in his sight, and he served him: and he made him overseer over his house, and all that he had he put into his hand.

5. And it came to pass from the time that he had made him overseer in his house, and over all that he had, that the Lord blessed the Egyptian's house for Joseph's sake; and the blessing of the Lord was upon all that he had in the house, and in the field.

6. And he left all that he had in Joseph's hand; and he knew not aught he had, save the bread which he did eat. And Joseph was a goodly person, and well favoured.

If the Lord "blessed the Egyptian's (Potiphar's) house for Joseph's sake, and the blessing of the Lord was upon all that he had in the house, and in the field," where were the Lord's "blessings" when the following tête-à-tête took place?

Genesis, Chapter 39, Verse 7.

7. And it came to pass after these things, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me.

What a compromising situation that must have been! But on with this thrilling adventure.

Genesis, Chapter 39, Verses 8-9.

8. But he refused, and said unto his master's wife, Behold, my master wotteth not what is with me in the house, and he hath committed all that he hath to my hand;
9. There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife; how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?

Admirable, young man, admirable. Would that all men were like you. Just think, if every man were a "Joseph," there would be absolutely no divorces granted, at least in the State of New York. But the fair lady was too fascinated with our young hero and persisted in her seduction, as we gather from the following.

Genesis, Chapter 39, Verse 10.

10. And it came to pass, as she spake to Joseph day by day, that he hearkened not unto her, to lie by her, or to be with her.

What a great moral hazard did this young man experience day after day. It seems an almost irresistible temptation to hear the subdued tones and feel the warm breath of a passionate woman tremulously crying, "Lie with me! Lie with me! Lie with me!" But ah! The plot thickens and the dramatic climax is almost at hand.

Genesis, Chapter 39, Verses 11-12.

11. And it came to pass about this time, that Joseph went into the house to do his business; and there was none of the men of the house there within.
12. And she caught him by his garment, saying, Lie with me: and he left his garment in her hand, and fled, and got him out.

Mrs. Potiphar, unable to satisfy her passionate longing with the object of her desire, now seeks to protect herself, in this embarrassing situation, with an explanation to her husband of the affair in the following manner.

Genesis, Chapter 39, Verses 13-16.

13. And it came to pass, when she saw that he had left his garment in her hand, and was fled forth,
14. That she called unto the men of her house, and spake unto them, saying, See, he hath brought in a Hebrew unto us to mock us; he came in unto me to lie with me, and I cried with a loud voice:

15. And it came to pass, when he heard that I lifted up my voice and cried, that he left his garment with me, and fled, and got him out.

16. And she laid up his garment by her, until his lord came home.

This story has the eternal triangle for its plot, and those who seek narrations where the marriage tie is violated cannot get a more delicious morsel of scandal than this one. There are many points in this story of Joseph and Potiphar's wife that we could dwell upon at length; especially of Joseph running out of the house, after leaving his garment in the hands of Mrs. Potiphar, and what a fine sight he must have been after such a perilous encounter!

And again, there is the awkward position of Mrs. Potiphar standing in all her loveliness, holding Joseph's garment without Joseph! The balance of the story merely relates that Potiphar believed Mrs. Potiphar's version of the story and sent our hero to jail. All this happened, mind you, under the benediction of God as stated in the fifth verse of this chapter. Let me refresh your memory with it. "The Lord blessed the Egyptian's house for Joseph's sake; and the blessing of the Lord was upon all that he had in the house and in the field." If the blessing of the Lord produced the results we have just recounted, his blessing would seem to be of questionable value.

But whatever the taste of those seeking this kind of amusement in the reading they select, I wonder if you would give such a story to your son and daughter to draw their moral inspiration from? You fond Parents, who so sacredly fondle the Bible, do you ever stop to think of the probability of your son or daughter reading this story in his or her study of it? Particularly would the story of Joseph be read because the name of Joseph has become celebrated in Biblical history.

Hi ibrahim ; If what you said about the Xians are true then I think Muslims are same or little better than the Xians. Well degenerates are degenerates the difference may be 99 to 100. But the cretin FkFk67 thinks Xians are 67 only.I don't know which way.

There is one dog which barks and even bites the robbers and strangers .But there is another dog which has lost the minimum conscience and starts barking and bting at evry one.Self declared freedom fighter 67 is of second type.I don't to which country he faught for freedom.HE is hallcucianting like Mad mo with his own fantassies and imaginations.HE is most welcome to show his evidences of nasty things like incest which he is hallucinating in indian scriptures.I will provide all the original copies all four vedas(10,235 slokas),108 upanishats,bharatha and Ramayana.Alisina has shown clear evidence in Quron and Hadiths about mohammad lusty life and hate doctrine.So called fighter can freely show and even shout with eveidences.No one kill him or hang him.Hindus beleive that spirituality is personal thing and one can fallow any one his choosen path for enlightenment.THe only thing is understanding of law of karma and following dhama(moral principle of truth and self controll).A hindu is not necessairly to believe in god.He can fallow karma yoga for enlightenment like Bhagawan buddha.
Where he read or seen incest or animal things.Did he dream or hallucinated like Mad mo like Gabriel came to him.First of all where one should confirm himself before copy pasting anything.If fellows like F67 do evry thing they hallucinate then this site FFI looses the credibilty .i ask the moderator to show him evidence for all his allegations.Subhadra is sister of Lord krishna.She was married of to Arjuna.HE is creating his own fiction here.What is use and whoom this mad man is cgeating.Just as saying goeas christainity is great but not christians these fanatic mad (may be due to aged ) hallucinating on their own with out any logic and rationalty.Infact islam is actual hybrid of Xnity and judaism.Thee universalising and spread of religion,gabreil,form and shape less god are deirved form them.THis so called warrior ,fighter,genoius can read few books about islam from sister Nivedita,Madam Anniebasant(awakening consciusness),Voltaire(about hinduism),Schroodinger(hindu Adviata vedanata) and Rudolf Stieber all are westreners.He he has still free time and patience and if life is more ,then he can read all the scriptures .It requires several births to totally study comprehend all the scriptures.First i ask you to go to pubic or any media office and express your own views with references.No hindu will bother about them if have ckear eveidemces.You can fight forver Or even for so called imaginaery judgement day.

Freedom Fighter 67, I think your frustration is showing. I understand.

But I think that you're wrong about the religion part. Religion is a way for humanity to approach its spirituality in an organized fashion. There are many accoutrements to this, but that’s the basic idea. As such, if a ‘religion’ is seriously attempting to address human spirituality then it IS a religion.

I have carefully read the seminal work of Islam (The Koran) and have had to conclude that, indeed, it is no religion. It makes but the barest of superficial attempts at dealing with the yearnings of the human spirit: unless those yearnings are rape, murder, and piracy.

Hinduism, however, is all about spirit and soul and spirituality. I might not agree with much of it, but it IS a religion. Hinduism IS a religion: just not a religion that YOU approve of.

You seem to be more frustrated in Hinduisms lack of vigour in dealing with Islam. Perhaps it would be useful to remember just how deeply violated Hinduism was by Islam; and continues to be. One historian described the invasion of India by Islam as the bloodiest and saddest event in human history (I don’t, off-hand, remember the historian). That was before World War II, but it still may hold true. The depths to which Indians were raped, looted, murdered, and enslaved by the Muslims is truly mind-boggling! Murdered and enslaved in the millions. That has to leave a scar on the soul of any culture. The cultural and human genocide inflicted on India by Islam is truly sickening. For instance, the destruction of the Bamayan Buddhas in Afghanistan is only a small instance of this. The Taj Mahal, another example, is almost certainly a Hindu temple prostituted into a fake Muslim tomb. These are just small examples. India used to be much larger physically; it used to comprise Pakistan and Afghanistan (and a few other places).

What I think you’re seeing is the continued trauma that Islam inflicted on India being still played out and not understanding or sympathizing with the trauma and horror it experienced at the hands of the evil demon called Mohammed. It is up to us to help stiffen India but not expect too much from that severely traumatized place. It is now up to us to expose Islam and then have it implode from within. We are the ones (Western Civilization) who are currently planting the bombs within Islam, by which it will commit suicide.

If we do not want the example of India and Persia and Babylonia and Egypt and Byzantine and the Eastern Roman Empire and many other places played out in our own civilization, then we in the West have to stop Islam. Once Islam is broken places like India can stand again without the disease of Allah poisoning it from within.

A0000Z Says:
Hi ibrahim ; If what you said about the Xians are true then I think Muslims are same or little better than the Xians. Well degenerates are degenerates the difference may be 99 to 100. But the cretin FkFk67 thinks Xians are 67 only.I don’t know which way.

No my friend, as far as morality in interpersonal relations is concerned, Muslims are way to better than Christians. I can tell you think because I have lived amogst Muslims, and still do for a better part of my life. Futhermore, you will find Muslims extremely hospitable people, given all their stupidities.
I will tell you something, A000Z, a muslim will never turn away a hungry man from his house, irrespective of what his faith is, quite unlike the Christian scumbags who work only for money.
I am not being partial to Muslims, just because I happened to be one, rather because this is what I have seen and observed in my life.

Northern Bear, Indians fought with Muslims and if the British would not have come on the scence, the Muslims would have been pushed and pushed even futher. This is a fact, because by the end of the 16 th century Islam was contained in the provinces of Punjab and Sindh. Rest of the areas of India were ruled by Hindu kings.
But yes, they should have tried re assimilate the native Muslims back into the Hindu fold, had they done this India would have been something else today.

I don't know what gives people the impression that Hindus are soft people, when India has the thrid best Army in this world.

ibrahim you are right;

---But yes, they should have tried re assimilate the native Muslims back into the Hindu fold, had they done this India would have been something else today.--

If and only if the British pirates were not there to colonize the Indians. The Xian British bastards not there to enslave the Indians.

Yeh you are right.

God ox Xnity is not very different from islam for he is source or Mo's hatefull God concept.Xnity God destroyed the towns of Gomerra and sodm with sulphur .He lkes destroying towns ,killing peole and dashing children against stones with great ease and pleasure.This god of Xnity is like slave onwen whose cpmpassion and love is less than normal ven humns.Ironically much more less than jesus compassion.What all conlcusion is Xnity is still living and relatively better as Jesus served people and asked others to love serve one another.AS the great Einstein in his letter says bible is all childish play and imagination of gifts and punishment of primitive minds.All which was in name of scriptures like day of judgement day,punishment is all thrash.If one believs and loves and folllows Jesus ,there is no problem for he lead a pure and noble life.All other thing in Bible is as much illogical and fantassy like Quron.Spirutuality is science of enlighten of souls who should get enlightenment through wisdom and dsire controll.Not like modern chrsittians confusing themseleves god said that ,didn't said this,destroyed towns and killed children for fun.Judaism's stupidity and baseless fantassy is mixed and inherited to Xnity and then this was made hybrid as islam.

#20 The Christians I know work to live and pay bills, buy food etc. The christian world is as nice as your Islam. The ones I know feed the hungry, as India, Africa, etc. Give people credit sometimes. I give Indians credit and expose the bad. I give Jews credit and expose the bad, that is only fair. Christian world shared with you otherwise you would not have the internet in India. Shouldnt the entire world share in the good. I say so. Whatever the so-called religion or ult who suppose to serve some semblance of a god need to preach love not hate. Either you all hate Christians as much as Islam hate you, or your hate is unwarranteed.

If Muslims were so much greater, why did you leave it? Why do Muslims screw babies? If a so-called christian screws a baby, he is imprisoned.
If an infidel kills he is either killed or imprisoned. In Islam it is sacred. I guess that is ok with you. Muslims I know are always angry, yet enjoy all of the freedoms the Judeo-christian world has given. Infidels educate them, feed them, etc and all they want to do is blow us up. GOOD GRIEF.

Abuse begets counter abuse...learn to refute...profanity reveals what you are...an intolerent bigot.

ALL (especially freedomfighter67)

Enough with the Hindu bashing and Christian bashing. Hinduism has no link with Islam. Christianity derived from the messages carried out by the disciples of Christ after his crusafixtion, and existed long before Islam was born. The only way the truth of how dangerous Islam truly is, is if all members of other faiths including, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Jains, Santals/Animists, Zoroastrians, Bahais, Yazihidis, Sabeans, etc etc. along with apostate Muslims work together in harmony and mutual respect.

Ok, so there were dark sides in Christianity, and even now there are missionaries who defy the very message of Jesus by preaching ignorance and hatred for others while uplifting Christianity. And yes there are certain things in the Vedas especially references to trantric ideology that may cause brows to frown.

Jesus was a messenger of peace as was Lord Krishna, and if you idiots would sit down and read the actual passages from the Bible and from the Gita, then you would see how amazingly similar the messages of Lord Krishna and Jesus were despite the fact Krishna existed long before the birth of Christ.

freedomfighter67, you obviously are a Christian, and your insults clearly show you are a hateful one. Do not even think you are in the same league as Christians who truly believe in the message of Jesus, because you are not. To everyone bashing Christianity, I know most of you are of one of the Dharmic faiths (Hinduism/Buddhism/Sikhism/Jainism/Sarnism/Ayyavzhism) or even Zoroastrianism/Bahaism/ etc etc. and perhaps you are retaliating to freedomfighter67 and other hardcore hatermongers like him.
Don't stoop to his level. The Dharmic religions never preached hatred and always had respect for all beliefs and faiths, and moreover members of the Dharmic faith have proven themselves all over the world. It is not appropriate to bash Christianity, especially when the message of Jesus is so similar to many of the messages that were left by Krishna, Ram, Buddha, Mahavir, Guru Nanak Dev, etc etc. If anything the "Christian world" needs to realize that the when push comes to shove, the only friends they will have are the Jews, the Dharmic people (Hindus/Buddhists/Sikhs/Jains/Sarnists/Ayyavazhis), and the last remnants of Zoroastrians, Yazidhis, and Sabeans.

In the west and Europe the irony is more and more people are turning to Dharmic beliefs and practices (Hinduism, Buddhism, Pagan, and Spirituality is on the rise from people who were formerly Church goers, and as the health conscienceness begins to set in even the austere Jain principles are being followed by westerners and Europeans alike). Yes, the many churches have lost much ground in the west and in Europe, and ignornat missionaries use scathing tactics to convert citizen of nations like India, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Burma, etc. because not only is religious tolerance is respected highly in these countries, but because the governments have no restrictions against missionary and their tactics as you would find in a communist or Islamic society.

All the Christian divisions, Catholics, Baptists, Protestants, Evanglists, etc etc need to really revisit the fundamental messages of Christ and observe how Christ interacted with members of other faiths such as the Samaritans. If the missionaries actually followed the true messages of Christ and his disciples, then the scathing tactics would not be needed, nor would so many members in the West and Europe be exploring other faiths and leaving Christianity. RESPECT others, and be RESPONSIBLE to yourself and others.

When we can learn to be respectful our differences, understand and cherish our similarities, then and only then will we in 1 voice along with our Apostates Muslim friends show the world how dangerous the Islamic ideology is.

Great message,

The dharmic ones have always open hand unfortunately, muslims are pointing draggers while christians are bad mouthing.
Hindus dont care which god you worship, but unfortunately muslilms are scheming to kill, maime, loot while christians are abusing by taking some exceptional superstitious incidents. Muslims are following there formula of Jihad, polygamy, excess children to undermine othere while christians are making false movings and wasting money in indian subcontinent.
Its the tolerance of Hindus that Sonia Gandhi (a roman catholic) is the most powerful lady in India. Can you find even a minister in Muslim world, see the christains in islam world they are living a life of hell. Muslims are planning and saying clearly that by 2050 there would be no christians in middle east including copts and europe should be made Islamised. Do you know the meaning of this???
All europeans will be second class citizen in there own country............
Pope is still appeasing muslims and deriding Jews and telling evangelist to convert hindus, how sick?
Jews and Hindus have never harmed christians. Mostly missionaries have twisted the hindu stories so badly that a recently converted christian is filled with hatred. Just like Islam they have made people so hynotised that they look at there great Greek civilization with hatred. No doubt hardly any new Alexander etc is expected as they have closed there life within one book for all time.
Europe no doubt is dying see the report:

See the report:
In europe, the population is getting older, with the result that the country has to import workers from abroad to do its work. Land cannot be farmed and lies fallow because there are no able-bodied farmers, villages are being abandoned because most households have simply too many old people who cannot fend for themselves, and have to receive outside help. So, one by one, villages are being left to rot, as old people, most of them in their seventies and eighties, move to cities. There are just not enough strong men to work in the farms, just as increasingly there are not enough factory workers to run factories. Soon, there will be only cites in europe, no villages, and of course, no farmers. europeans will produce cars, TV sets and mobiles, but not rice or apples or pumpkins, all of which will have to be imported!

In Russia, once the mighty Soviet Union, things are a little different, but the end-result is the same. There the main culprit is alcohol, not old age. Russians are dying of alcohol, and they are dying so young that the average life-span of a Russian is closer to 40, than say 70, as it is in India. This is true of men as well as women. The population of Russia, like that of europe, is shrinking, because Russians are dying too young while in europe, there are not enough europeans to go round. In forty years time, the population of Russia, will be only half of what it is today and in another fifty years, it will be about a quarter. In fact, there will be no Russia left, only a few cities like Moscow and Petrograd. Marx had said that capitalism will disappear because of its internal contradictions, but it is not capitalism but Russia that is set to disappear. Remember, Marx was not a Russian; he was a German Jew!

British queen herself is now a very old woman but she refuses to give up and poor Charles is still waiting for the crown!

All shallow thinkers stand exposed here.
RaisinHead,
It is indian number system that the entire world is dependant on especially the internet that you claim credit for. No 0 no computers.
Yes there are bad rituals among all religions and those who think they are holier than others should probably look in the mirror and seek an honest answer.
islam is beneath contempt.
Take a look at evangelical christians and you will get to know what the punishment for unbelievers is. It wasn't that long ago that Witches were being burn in Europe.
Jewish religous scriptures have some of the worst violence in them

BUT there is still a difference between Islam and all other faiths because Islam incites its people to kill for no reason but to subdue everyone to arab imperialism.

kksbig77 wrote:

Enough with the Hindu bashing and Christian bashing.

Agree.

focussed wrote:

Yes there are bad rituals among all religions and those who think they are holier than others should probably look in the mirror and seek an honest answer.

Ok. I'll be the first to admit I ain't no saint ( seriously ).

Change? What change? This is just the same old political crap as usual.

Yes the Muslims have created their own world because they cannot stand to live with the world of the unclean and false believers ( the kafirs ).

Excellent article.

Well freedomfighter67, I guess you are entitled to opinion, because that is all you are stating. It is very clear you are not from the Indian subcontinent, and you quote from books written by Anglo Saxons.

The British colonialism had absolutely no influence on Hinduism nor any Dharmic religion, whatsoever. Ancient traditions are simply ancient. Wife burning is no longer a part of Hindu tradition. There are many ancient Christian traditions which are no longer a part of Christian traditions today. As societies evolve, so too in most cases their traditions have evolved (unfortunately Islam still has not, and by virtue of the Quran and Hadiths, probably can never). Since ancient times, India has been invaded and plundered time and again. India has been invaded by Mesopotiamians (Aryans), Persians (Aryans), French, Dutch, Greeks, Spanish/Portuguese, Arabs (Muslims), and the British. So how is it that the British are the only ones that had influence on Hinduism?

You opinionated that Hinduism could be much worse than Islam? Please explain how so, when there is nothing in the Gita, Vegas, Upshinadas, etc. that dictate to Hindus or any member of the Dharmic religions to force the concepts of Vaishnavism, Shaivism, Shaktism and Smartism (all these concepts encompass Hinduism) upon others? Or for that matter to treat those who do not wish to believe in Hinduism as infidels? Or for that matter bad mouth another's beliefs?

If Hinduism and Hindus are so dangerous how is it that the Indian subContinent hosted and protected Jews after the destruction of Solomon's temple, the era of the Babylonian captivity, and the Disapora, in which many Jews settled in and around Mumbai, Delhi, Cochin, Kolkata, and in several towns of Andhra Pradesh, India, all of whom were free to practice Judiasm and were treated as equal Indian citizens? If Hindus were so dangerous why was St. Thomas the disciple allowed to enter the shores of Kerala? If Hindus are so dangerous why did the Maharajas of Kerala, Goa, and Karnatika agree to allow the Syrian and Maranomite Christians from Lebanon and the Arab lands all of whom who were being persecuted by the Muslim invaders, agree to settle and build their churches. If Hindus are so dangerous then why did the Maharaja of Maharashtra agree to allow the Zoroastrians (Parsis) from Iran to settle and build their fire temples and worship in peace from the Muslim invaders who plundered Iran, and killed millions of Persians who refused to convert from Zoroastrianism. If Hindus are so dangerous why did they come to the aid of the Buddhist Maharaja of Ceylon (Sri Lanka) when Ceylon was under attack from Arab Muslim ships (had the Maharajas of Kerala and Tamil Nadu not send armies, Sri Lanka like the Maldives may have been a 100 percent Muslim island)? If Hindus are so dangerous than why was Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism, and Ayyavazhism allowed to flourish throughout the Indian subcontinent? Tell me if Hindus are so dangerous as your proclaim so adherently, why did they save all these groups of people (who still live in India to this day free from persecution, unlike in the Middle East, Pakistan, Afghanistan, or Bangladesh)

So tell me, how did you come to this conclusion that Hinduism could be far worse than Islam?

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(#14) Ibrahim, for a moment I thought you mistranslated verses from the Bible. I crosschecked everything you quoted. It is unbelievable how daughters can sleep with their father (Lot) and beget children. Even Muhammad fell in love with his daughter-in-law. I feel the appearance of Jesus changed the scenario. May be he knew the stupidities of the Old testament. However, the crusades, just like Jihad, were the remnants of the Old Testament.

This is a very good article from Mr.Khan. It is troubleing to see that the world is being sold a whitewashed version of Islam. Tragically many folks swallow these lies - this nonsense.

Islam is a fraud. The foundation of Islam is literally nothing more than the lies a deranged, depraved man named Muhammad. How many tons of bricks do people have to be hit over the head with to understand this simple fact? Will they ever take the time to study the critical works pertaining to Islam and learn the truth about this evil ideology disguised as a religion? I am a Canadian ex-Muslim. Check out my website at http://www.considerationsofacanadianex-muslim.org

You are simply assuming WAAAY too much Freedom Fighter 67. You assume that Christianity is the true without any proof and that's as bad as the muzlims who come here assumining that izlam is true. You can assume what you want but you will be called on it, especially if you're arrogant and try to force your unfounded beliefs on others... like the muzlims who come here.

You either didn't read the Hindu scriptures or you completely failed to understand them. Understanding them would take a lifetime: so I don't expect you to. If you read them then you will quickly discover that Hinduims is full of a spiritually that the koran cannot hope to even approach. This is because the authers of the Hindu scriptures actually did aspire to understand and approach spirituality and religion. Izlam is mere politics package to look like religion in order to satiate the god mohammed in his lusts for power, sex, and money. If you understand power, sex, and money... then you undestand izlam.

Hinduism has a great deal accrued to it: this is natural considering its great age. But calling it false because it's old is simply ridiculous. "False religion, when not affected by a catalyst will always evolve and morph into a much dangerous and satanic belief." That doesn't even make sense and assumes way too much. First you have to determine which religion is false and why; like the muzlims you a priori assume yours' is right, without reason. And that constitutes proof?!

You're going to have to do much better.

freedomfighter67,

When did you loose your job to a Hindu Indian? Go to a free yoga center near you; will help you relieve your stress a little bit.

freedomfighter67,

On side notes, Hindus will not howl back at you. We know people like you need help who have taken heavy dose of satanic theories. Hindus are always happy with divinity and do not bother giving a thought about Satan and Evil. Sanskrit Hindu scripture are not for elementary school children. After all, not everybody can study engineering. Ten commandments are just too much for your capacity. So hold on going to Hindu scripture until you have done with the commandments.

Northern Bear, people now are a days are more rationalists than they were before. Be it religion or philosophy or science, you always get questions such as why, when, what if not etc. Gifts from Hinduism like meditation, yoga, pranayama, sudarshan kriya, and ayurveda are becoming popular in Europe, USA, and South America. When a person performs yoga and meditation, it improves his/her health and well-being. The beneficial effects of these priceless gifts are corroborated by science. When people get proof, they believe it, practice it, and then spread it.

One fact I can acknowledge. I cannot bring Supreme Brahman experienced by our vedic seers in front of the person that challenges me. Nor can a Christian or Jew prove that Christ or Jehohva is the only true God. We then have to look into the scriptures of all the religion and look for beneficial teachings and morality. As many have found them in Hinduism, Buddhism, and other pagan (oops) religions, they are able to prosper in the intellectual parts of the world. Similarly, some of the teachings of Jesus are really good. However, to my understanding from what I read from FFI, many of the verses from the Old Testament, Quran, hadiths, and Torah are extremely dodgy. I feel people have the right to expose and nip them off.

FF67, don't forget that the national dish of England now is CURRY. I suggest you to adopt vegetarian lifestyle, thereby you can reduce global warming. Do you know meat industry is the primary contributor to global warming? A little bit of ginger, cinnamon, cloves, cumin, gharam masala, turmeric, and chilly gives wonderful smell to your meal. I am afraid the food smells bad if its main ingredient is DEAD CORPSE of animals! No offense indeed...

Dear Peace loving Christians

Kindly don't take my words to heart, as I don't mean any harm to good people. However if someone attacks any of the Dharmic faiths, which include Buddhism, Hindusim, Taoism, Jainism, I will fight him tooth and nail. I don;t mind shedding some blood in the process. Unlike a few of my Hindu friends on this Forum, I am not averse to voilence, however I am averse to stupid talk and some one talks crap, I will kick him in the balls.

Thanks

This chappy ff667 or what ever must be the descedent of saint lot!
Saintly Lot of christianity got drunk and screwed his daughter.Actually it was saint's daughter who seduced the father and the next day it was the other daughjter and LOL christianity followers are filling the earth.No wonder the followers of christianity are that level of people.keep it going mate.You have shown the true colour of christians and between you two nut heads we can be sure of the stupidity of the dead jew on the stick being fully exposed.

So religions like Hinduism and Islam are cults while Christianity is the true religion? Seriously, is this the message Christ preached?

freedomfighter67: So why did Christianity "borrow" a lot from other "cults" (as you call them)? December 25 for example...The miraculous virgin tale etc etc....I have a lot of respect for Christ though I'm not a Christian. Try to argue sensibly without stooping to bashing other faiths.

A lot of christians do just a lot like lot.Sorry could not resist that temptation about LOT!
One of thr undesirable results of Lot like work is the christians and so we have here nut heads giving us entertainment.

#43 Your confusion is between Roman Christianity and the Christianity Jesus taught. Jesus never said kill non-Christians but he said Father, forgive them.
Yet you all (some) despise him. You respect Rome rather than Christ, the man you call a white man on a stick. This is what black Muslims call Jesus in america.
If Islam followed Christians and Jews, that means Muslims followed Pigs and apes.looooooooooool

First, let us understand that FFI site is not for either promoting or bashing any religion or sect or a vent to steam out our personal preferences. Ali sina has a motive for this site, which is to expose the misdeeds of islam and its repercussions to the humanity for which he was part of before abandoning it. He is justified because he was part of that and has every right to be disgruntled. If we are not from islam, we can be his listeners and cannot bash or write or object the contents. But muslims and ex-muslims have every right to contest in which ever way they feel. We can write our comments and observations as a third party and definitely not in malicious way. This is what as a hindu, I would propose to the visitors. Well this is my wishful thinking and any one can have their own say on that.

Regarding freedomfighter’s statements, they are just out of the context by a derailed person. He is refusing to see the reality in life and truth behind the Hinduism. He is right in one way that Hinduism is not a religion. We all agree and we never refuted it. Hinduism is not a religion but “Practice” of the different segment of people beyond the Himalayas which was letter consolidated in to one segment. This itself shows the acceptance of each other faith and respect and how we all co existed before the invasion of Christianity and Islam in to this country.

Because Hinduism is a collection of practices, with prime motive of self salvation through virtues of life it welcomed every religion sect in to India, thinking that after all preaching of goodness is behind any religion and hence be allowed. By the time the people of India realized that this is some sort of cultural invasion with ulterior motive, they avoided them and continued their journey having faith in its convictions. Christianity spread but could not reach to the size it achieved in other parts of the world only because, the cultural binding of Indian is so powerful that only handful fell through and others bonded together tightly.

When islam spread at the might of sword through Afghanistan upto Pakistan (till then part of India), hindus resisted the spreading but the conquest of Delhi by moghul rulers effected some conversions in north and other invasions in the south. However the converted muslims never showed the same aggressions of the invaders and hence there has been social peace and amity settled within the minds in this country. Even today, muslims do not indulge in forcible conversions unlike Christians in India. Also, muslims do not talk ill of hindu religions or practices and just confine to promoting their religion. Whereas Christians are real aggressors and want to covert every hindu in what ever means possible. This has now evoked lot reversals amongst hindus as they resort to low level campaign against hindus and that is why they are being retaliated heavily. This mentality has nothing to do with any communality between the hindu and islam as religions. It is only mindset. What you sow is what is get. That’s all.

Other than this, there is no hatred in India. Both muslims, Christians and hindus live together do business and live their way. It is only handful of segment in hindus, Christians and muslims who resort to diversionary and divisionary tactics to divide the society for political or materialistic gains. If international funds are stopped for such activities, India would be more peaceful and harmonious state in the whole world.

Many reformist have come to the fore in Hinduism and achieved their goal. Also the other version is hindus were open to reforms and accepted the facts of life as it evolved. As Krishna said in Gita “Change is the only thing that will not change”, hindus accepted it as reality and forged ahead. India had its own social and economic problems unlike other developed countries. It needed 50 years to shred out all these and forge ahead equaling China in development. India was termed as “goner” 2 decades back but it has evolved in to a new force to reckon with. It is all because of the tolerance faith in Hinduism it is practicing and acceptance of life.

If such tolerance exists in Islam why would people like Ali Sina dump it in the first place. If Christianity is true to itself and the people who are affiliated to it, why should it be eager to propagate without caring for those who leave their churches. May be they are only trying compensate their erosion. The best thing for these religions to survive is to set their house in order. One should know, reformists are welcomed in Hinduism but not in other faiths. You can be an atheist but still be an Hindu and propagate your theories for which you will not be punished and banished and this very nature of acceptance and tolerance make Hinduism survive till date and will survive eternally.

Finally, Mr Freedom fighter has some stinking problem with hindus. My question is whether is it only hindus from India or converted Christians from India as well? If it is from hindus from India, then he may need to understand biology to know that every living being has a smell including him. If one gets irritated by his own shit smell, he wouldn’t enter the toilet at all which means he either enjoys it or get used to it. Either way it doesn’t mean they don’t smell.

Mr Ibrahim, northern bear, kksbig77 and co. continue your writing. I am enjoying it. But restrain bashing of any religion and let us swear today that we will not hurt anybody’s sentiments and our motive is only to enlighten and not hurt.

I am not a rasin head to get confused between roman christianity and the dead jew on a stick.
If the teachings are bad the followers of the evil teachings will be eviler.Simple.But to understand simple logic one should not be a raisin head.

#46 Yes you do. Jesus never said kill one for not accepting him. Jesus never said he was god or equal to god. He was god's son and the fsather was greater than he was John 8:44. Matthews 6:9 is the Lord's Prayer where he prayed to the Father. Roman Christianity said no.

Peter was married and Popes are not.
Bible said dont teach no marriage, Roman christianity refuses to let priest marry.

Raisin Head is what the racist prophet of Islam said about African black people. The same people who were creaTED black to be slaves to Caucasians and black men will get no Paradise and 72 big breasted white virgins and 28 white boys who never bleed.

John's 14:28 sorry.

@ Ibrahim
You should write a book on Unholy Legacy of Ibrahim no pun intented :)

Friends, while we were busy engaging in heated discussions, the Taliban enforced Jazia on Hindus, Christians, and Sikhs in Paksitan. What do we do now?

Hindus in Pakistan agree to pay jazia to Taliban
04/06/2009 11:09:16

Islamabad: In May, dozens of Sikhs living in the Orakzai agency were forced to move out after the Taliban demanded Rs50 million as jazia, or security tax, from them. Locals said the families were impoverished and left the area to avoid any Taliban action.

Less than a month later, the tax net has spread wider, to the Khyber agency tribal area. The Sikhs, Hindus, and Christians there have been told by the Taliban-backed Lashkar-e-Islam (LeI) to pay jazia in exchange for ensuring their security in the area.

Having already imposed the security tax on non-Muslims in the Orakzai agency in the tribal belt on the Afghanistan border, the Taliban forces in this area have empowered the LeI to charge the tax on their behalf, Khyber agency sources said.

The LeI commander has publicly announced that Sikhs and Hindus will be free to live anywhere in the area after paying this protection tax.

Reports suggest that most of the minority community members in the region have agreed to pay the tax instead of leaving the area, having lived there for decades.

Sources said several jirgas (meetings of elders) were held to settle the issue. One such meeting held last week, attended by the leaders and elders of the Sikh, Hindu, and Christian communities at Tirah Valley, resulted in the decision to pay up rather than move out.

Women, children, and handicapped persons have been exempted from paying the tax, which amounts to Rs1,000 per head annually.

The LeI militants have already started collecting jazia in Bara, Chora, Karamna, Bazaar Zakhakhel, and Tirah Valley of Khyber agency. Those refusing to pay, or not in a position to pay, are being forced to leave.

MUSLIMS CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT HEATHEN CULTURE

Green laddoos !!
02/06/2009 11:16:01 GSK Menon

When Shri.E.Ahmed took over as Minister of State in Railways, the Muslim League workers distributed Green coloured laddoos to celebrate the event ! To what extent can fundamentalism go to ?

The Muslim Leaguers forgot that Laddoo is a yellow coloured traditional Hindu sweet offering to their Gods & Goddesses. Why did they distribute a Hindu dish ? Could they not have distributed Camel meat or other Moplah dishes ? This is what these converts fail to realise, whatever alien religion they opt for, ultimately they have to depend on Hindu culture and traditions for daily needs.

Are they all not telling "namaskaram' to one another ? What does it mean ? It means I recognise and bow to the 'Paramatma' who is residing in you as the 'Jeevatma'. Is there any Paramatma or Jeevatma in Islam ?

If they are so obsessed with green colour we would like to know whether they are having green blood in their veins?

Trans World Radio-India compelling its employees to convert
22/04/2009 06:37:45 http://conversionagenda.blogspot.com/2009/04/trans-world-radio-india-compelling-\

Innocent and gullible Hindus are exploited by the Christian missionaries not only in remote areas but also in metro cities like the national capital, New Delhi. The racket of converting innocent Hindus to Christianity has been flourishing in Delhi and the surrounding areas for decades. So much so that the evangelists have become so brash and impudent that a Christian institution -Trans World Radio, India (TWR, India) started compelling its Hindu employees to Christianity. When the employees outrightly rejected the proposal of their employer they were tortured in very inhuman ways and some of them were even sacked from their jobs. Those who are still in the service are being subjected to ruthless, inhuman torture every day and are denied even the weekly off or holidays on festivals.

These employees have been served three months of ultimatum on March 23, to either embrace Christianity or quit the job. “We are working in very inhuman conditions. Though the management has five days a week office, we are denied even the weekly off on Sundays and other festivals like Holi, Deepavali, Republic Day, Independence Day or even Christmas. Everyday we are tortured through different methods. Life has become hell for us and nobody is ready to listen to our woes. We were warned on March 23 to embrace Christianity within
three months or resign from the job, alleges Lal Singh Yadav, a cleaner in TWR-India. He said the TWR-India adopted all means allurement of money, promotion, etc. as well as threat to remove from the jobs, if the non-Christian employees do not embrace Christianity.

Now the employees are denied even their salary and they have been told to collect donations if they wish to draw salary at the end of the month. We are told that the institution has stopped getting aid for the Hindu employees and if you wish to draw your salary as a Hindu employee collect donations. We have been given receipt books to collect donations. We are constantly being told that if we become Christian we shall get higher salary and other facilities, alleged Lal Singh.

Meanwhile, the victims approached the Court of Metropolitan Magistrate, New Delhi, requesting to save them from the forced conversion. The court summoned the culprits and granted bail on March 28. According to the petition filed by the five employees of TWR-India (Ram Babu, Ghanshyam, Munna, Lal Singh and Hari Prasad) the officers of the TWR-India particularly Smt. Christine Swaroop Raj (Director HR), Smt Vinita Sahai (CEO), Smt. Dezy Sem, Supervisor, Shri Shakti Verma (Technical Director), have been pressuring and torturing them for the last few years to convert to Christianity.

Passing adverse comments upon Hinduism that Hinduism has many castes and the upper castes do not accept the lower caste i.e. Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes is a daily routine there. In the month of June 2007, Smt. Vinita Sahai told Ram Babu, "Tum chamar chuhde aise hi kutte ki tarah rahoge aur tumeh sab kuchh jhelna parega agar tum isse bachna chahte ho to apna dharma badal kar Christian ban jao." When Ram Babu requested her not to comment like this she got furious and repeated the comment.

In the month of August 2007, Smt. Dezy Sen told Ghanshyam to convey to all the Hindu employees that hereafter they would have to take their meals only by sitting near the toilet. When Ghanshyam wanted to know the reason, she got infuriated and said, "Tum log bhangi ho aur tumeh toilet ke paas hi baith kar khana parega aur agar tum aisa nahin karoge to tumeh naukri se nikal diya jayega." Thereafter the victims were forced to sit near the toilet in foul
smell and were compelled to take their meals there only. The victims tolerated it, as they do not have any other source of income.

In October 2007, Ram Babu approached Shri Shakti Verma and apprised him of the maltreatment and harassment meted out to them and very humbly requested him to request the management not to harass them. But to the utmost shock and surprise, Shri Verma started abusing him in filthy language saying, "tum sab chure chamaron ko jute maar kar bahar nikalenge." The management of TWR-India levelled false allegations against Ram Babu for misbehaving with the seniors and also not performing the duties properly. A false and frivolous inquiry was ordered against him and finally he was removed from the job. All the five victims were frequently called bhangi ka kutta. Not only this, the victims were called in the office by the accused persons and were made to sit for hours and were harassed and pressurised to convert their religion against their wish.

The victims were boycotted socially and were treated discriminately as neither they are allowed to sit along with other employees specially the Christian employees of the management nor they are allowed to interact with them. They adversely commented that until and unless they change their religion they would be treated in the same fashion and even may be worse than that. The aggrieved victims also lodged complaint with the Police Station in Hauz Khas with copies to DCP South, Lt. Governor of Delhi and Human Right Commission on January 10, 2008, but in vain.

On January 15, 2008, Smt. Christine Swaroop Raj called Lal Singh in her office and straight-way started abusing on the pretext that why they lodged complaint against them. Lal Singh humbly apprised her of the harassment they were being subjected. But instead of paying any heed to the complaint of Lal Singh, she burst into anger and said, "Ya to tum sabhi bhangi-chamaron ko Christian banna parega nahin to main tumeh naukri se nikaal dungi." The victims also approached the Labour Commissioner, SHO and National Commission for SC/ST but of no avail so far.

The victims are harassed every day. Ram Babu had been appointed as Attender in 1993 and instead of promoting to further higher rank, he was down graded to cleaner without any cause, reason or fault on his part. "One day I inadvertently touched the meals prepared for the persons attending a meeting. I was not only abused by the incharge but also was pushed away using very filthy language," alleges Ghanshyam. When the Hindu employees went to the court, the management transferred them to Chennai, where they are allegedly being tortured not only by them but also by the local police.

Brothers kill sister for performing on TV in Pak: Report
3 May 2009, 0911 hrs IST, PTI

LONDON: Ashamed of her growing popularity, two brothers allegedly shot dead their singer sister in Peshawar last week for performing on television.

The murder of Ayman Udas, who was in her early thirties, has shocked the city's cultural community as it symbolises a backlash against women and cultural freedom in an area that is increasingly dominated by Islamic fundamentalists, 'The Sunday Times' reported on Sunday.

Udas sang and wrote compositions in her native Pashto language, spoken in the tribal areas and the North-West Frontier province, she also frequently performed on PTV, the state-run channel.

Despite Udas's popularity her family felt it was sinful for women performing on television and strongly opposed her.

According to the report, her two brothers reportedly entered her flat last week while her husband was out and fired three bullets into her chest. Neither has been caught.

The final song performed by Udas on screen seems to have portended her death. It was entitled, "I died but still live among the living, because I live on in the dreams of my lover."

A divorced mother of two, Udas had remarried ten days before she was murdered.

the abrahamic religions are the only religions that preach non believers will go to hell for eternity. they claim to possess "absolute truth". there is no doubt that they are false.

as for Hinduism, Buddhism and other non abrahamic faiths, they do tolerate "alternative truth". while the buddhists ( i just went to Mongolia, a buddhist country) pray in their temple for the peace of all humanity and animal, the devout muslims and christians pray for damnation of non believers who do not subscribe to their view. ask any muslims or christians about the fate of those who reject Jesus Christ and Muhammad, then expect their 'meek' answer.

Humanity is but one family. :)