Muhammad Drove out the Jews of Medina for Attacking & Killing Muslims?
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PDF versionIn the course of exchanging comments on an article The Quran and Hadith: Which is More Authentic? in islam-watch.org, Mr. Abu Shuja’ah, a prominent Islamic propagandist on the Internet, made a number of outrageous claims. On the question of why Muhammad attacked, slaughtered and exiled the Jews of Medina, he claimed:
The Jews were driven out of Medina for attacking and killing Muslims. Consider it a mirror of today’s Gaza.While Shuja’ah makes a case for justification of Muhammad’s atrocities against the Jews of Medina, I, before going into this discussion, affirm that Muhammad had no justification at all. Let us start with a review of Prophet Muhammad’s encounter with the Jews of Medina. He relocated to Medina in June 622 CE on the background that his mission at Mecca had failed, had become stagnant, while his faith was making rapid progress in Medina even in his absence acquiring some 76 converts over the previous three years. It should be noted that his mission in Mecca, his hometown, made only 150 converts at least over the previous 13 years of his prophetic mission. The prophet was invited to Medina by his Medinan disciples (those 76 or so), who belonged to the two Pagan tribes, Aws and Khazraj; and he settled down without facing any opposition from any group, including the Jews, who were richer and more influential in Medina. It is anticipated that the Jews might’ve been welcoming of him, as he was converting them to a monotheism, which he presented to the Jews as a sister-religion to Judaism and Christianity. Muhammad continued his preaching unimpeded and the polytheists converted to Islam at a high frequency. But the problem with the Jews started only after Muhammad became too ambitious to present himself also as a prophet, a savior, of the Jews (& Christians) too. So Muhammad initially started pampering the Jews & Christians. He gave Moses a status even higher than his own [Bukhari 4:610,612]. Quranic verses pampered them saying, Allah gave them ‘guidance and light’ in the form of Torah [Q 5:44] and the Jews are “righteous” people [Q 6:153-54], who ‘excelled the nations’ [Q 45:16]. And he adopted many Jewish rituals and customs—fasting, circumcision, praying toward Jerusalem etc.—to make Islam truly look like an Abrahamic creed for the first time. Allah’s and Muhammad’s reason behind all these goody-goody sayings and gestures toward the Jews was to come out later; it was Muhammad’s ambition to become a prophet of Jews as well. So Allah reveals (Q 3.5):
(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.The same is repeated in Q 5:48:
And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed…But, if they failed to follow Muhammad, Allah threatens them with punishments in the next verse (Q5:49):
…And if they turn away, then know that Allah's Will is to smite them for some sin of theirs. Lo! many of mankind are evil-livers.Despite all these pleadings and threats, the Jews did not accept Muhammad as their prophet and ruler. Instead, the Jews became staunch critics of Muhammad’s revelations, because they had the inner knowledge of what is in the Torah, which Muhammad said he brought in its entirety through his Quran. They could easily point out the errors in Muhammad’s messages, which they did putting Muhammad in a defensive and embarrassing position. Muhammad (or Allah) eventually became sure that the Jews (& Christians) would, in no way, embrace his message. So Allah came down with a verse (Q 2:120) to relieve Muhammad from further persuasion of them, allowing him do what was needed—the subject of this debate:
Q 2:120 Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: “The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance.” Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.And not long after Allah revealed these verses, Muhammad, while pursuing with some 300-plus Muslim raiders to attack and plunder a Meccan caravan returning from Syria under Abu Sufian, engaged the Meccans in the battle of Badr and achieved stunning success against an opposition at least double in strength. Muhammad’s confidence was ‘sky high’. The Jews can be challenged now to mete out Allah’s promised punishment to them for rejecting Muhammad, such as in verse 5:49 cited above. Now let us see how Muhammad initiate violence against the Jews, according to the prophet’s earliest and most original biographer Ibn Ishaq (c. 750 CE, preserved through Ibn Hisham):[1]
Meanwhile there was the affair of the B. Qaynuqa. The apostle assembled them in their market and addressed them as follows: ‘O Jews, beware lest God bring upon you the vengeance that He brought upon Quraysh and become Muslims. You know that I am a prophet who has been sent—you will find that in your scriptures and God's covenant with you.’ They replied, ‘O Muhammad, you seem to think that we are your people. Do not deceive yourself because you encountered a people (i.e. the Quraysh) with no knowledge of war and got the better of them; for by God if we fight you, you will find that we are real men!’So Muhammad obviously tried to threaten the Jews to submission to his religious and political authority, pointing to them what happened to the Quraysh at Badr—a fate that may visit them too, if they didn’t submit. But they Jews rejected his threatening invitation with defiance. Now, the plot to punish the Jews will be well-coordinated by both Muhammad and Allah. So, Allah also comes with his own threats to the Jews as Ibn Ishaq (p. 363) notes:
A freedman of the family of Zayd b. Thabit from Sa'Id b. Jubayr or from Tkrima from Ibn 'Abbas told me that the latter said the following verses (Q 3:13) came down about them:
‘Say to those who disbelieve: you will be vanquished and gathered to Hell, an evil resting place. You have already had a sign in the two forces which met’, i.e. the apostle’s companions at Badr and the Quraysh. ‘One force fought in the way of God; the other, disbelievers, thought they saw double their own force with their very eyes. God strengthens with His help whom He will. Verily in that is an example for the discerning.’ [Quran 3:13]As the threatening notice of submission served to Banu Qainuqa first by Muhammad, followed by Allah was flatly rejected, it was time for Muhammad to look for an excuse to execute the threat. If Allah is to be believed, Muhammad found no excuse to attack the Jews. So Allah had to create one, an outrageously silly one at that in verses 8:55–58. The Jews are the worst of beasts, of living creatures, because they would not believe in Muhammad’s messages:
Q 8:55: For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who reject Him: They will not believe.What punishment do they deserve for being the worst beast because of their rejection of Muhammad? It’s defined in previous verse (Q 8:54), which says they deserved the same punishment Pharaoh suffered for rejecting the ‘Signs of their Lord’ (brought by Moses):
…after the manner of the people of Pharaoh and those before them: They treated as false the Signs of their Lord: so We destroyed them for their crimes, and We drowned the people of Pharaoh: for they were all oppressors and wrong-doers.To create an excuse for attacking the Jews, Allah falsely accused the Jews of breaking treaty in the next verse 8:56:
They are those with whom thou didst make a covenant, but they break their covenant every time, and they have not the fear (of Allah).Here Allah says the Jews broke treaty repeatedly. In this verse, Allah lied on two counts. First, there was no treaty between Muhammad and the Jews that the latter ever signed, which I will address at the end of this discussion. Second, even if a treaty existed, the Jews never broke it, even not once, forget about their breaking it ‘every time’ as Allah accuses them of. It becomes evident from the next verse, in which Allah commands Muhammad to attack the Jews:
Q 8:58: If thou fearest treachery from any group, throw back (their covenant) to them, (so as to be) on equal terms: for Allah loveth not the treacherous.Revelation of this verse was a direct command to attack Banu Qainuqa, the first Jewish tribe to face Muhammad’s sword, as Al-Tabari cites the account of al-Zuhri that a verse being brought by Gabriel to Muhammad, which said, ‘And if thou fearest treachery from any folk, then throw back to them their treaty fairly’ [Q 8:58]. Whereupon, Muhammad said, ‘‘I fear Banu Qaynuqa’’ and ‘the Messenger of God advanced upon them.’[2] So, if Allah is to be believed, this verse was obviously a command, a license, to attack Banu Qainuqa. Although Allah accused the Jews of breaking treaty repeatedly in the earlier verse, here Allah only mentions Muhammad’s fear that the treaty may be broken in the future; the Jews hadn’t broken any treaty yet, which didn’t exist anyway. In fact, the real reason as to why the Jews should be attacked can be found in the next verse (Q 8:59):
And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.The Jews were trying to outstrip Allah’s purpose. Allah tried to persuade them in so many verses to accept Muhammad as their prophet, but they not only rejected the repeated pleadings of Allah, but they also ridiculed those messages; they found so many faults with his messages, causing ridicule and embarrassment to Muhammad (& Allah). How dare they! They deserve the gravest of punishment for crime of such mammoth proportion. Let them not escape. In sum, Muhammad attacked the Jews for his fear that Banu Qainuqa might break some treaty sometime in the future—that is, they did not break it yet but they likely would; and he rushed to attack them. While this is the reason given by Allah and Muhammad for attacking Banu Qainuqa, there is another story created by later about the Jews, who allegedly killed a companion of Muhammad. Mr. Shuja’ah also mentioned about it in our previous exchange in making his case as to why the Jews deserved what Muhammad did to them, saying:
The Jews hated Islam and still do. They poisoned Muhammad (saw) and killed one of his companions.Prophet Muhammad was poisoned after his conquest of Khaybar in 628 CE by an enslaved Jewish woman in revenge. By this time, Muhammad had cleansed all the Jews of Medina. So this poisoning incident cannot be considered as a reason for Muhammad’s punishing the Jews of Medina. Concerning the Jews’ killing one of Muhammad’s companions, a story is included in his later biography by Al-Waqidi (d. 822). According to the story, sometime after the threat to Banu Qainuqa by Muhammad and Allah, a Meccan girl, married to an ansar (Medinan convert), went to the shop of a goldsmith in the market-place of Banu Qainuqa (Qainuqa were goldsmiths & richest community), where waiting for some ornaments, she sat down. A silly Jewish prankster pinned the lower hem of her skirt behind to the upper dress. When she stood up, the awkward exposure excited laughter, and she screamed with shame. A Muslim, apprised of the affront, slew the prankster; and the brethren of the Jew fell upon the Muslim murderer and killed him in return. It should be noted here that because of this silly incident, nobody deserved to die. The prankster deserved a rebuke at best. Muslims’ killing him was an act of barbarism, unacceptable to any kind of justice. And of course, after the two lives from the two parties, one from Banu Qainuqa and other from Muslims, had been lost, the justice/injustice was equal on both side; and it should been resolved by calling a meeting between leaders of the two parties. But no, Muhammad was just waiting for something like this to occur. And on the pretext of this brawl, says al-Waqidi, Muhammad besieged the entire community of Banu Qaynuqa. After a fifteen-day siege, the Jews surrendered. In order to mete out the deserving punishment to the Jews, which was to be similar to the way Allah had destroyed the people of Pharaoh by drowning them all, Muhammad ordered the surrendered men to be tied for their summary execution. At this point, Abdullah ibn Obayi—the famed hypocrite of Islam, but a rather humane chief of the Khazraj clan, who had converted to Islam but had a dubious allegiance to Muhammad’s mission—firmly intervened. He even threatened Muhammad with consequences had he slaughtered the Jews.[3] As a result, Muhammad prudently relented from slaughtering the prisoners. Instead, he exiled them to Syria. On the basis of this discussion, I conclude the Jews never ever aggressively attacked and killed Muslims, as Shuja’ah claims, which made Muhammad to attack and evict them. Muhammad, therefore, had no justification to attack the Jews. Instead, it is Muslims, who were responsible for shedding blood of a Jew of Banu Qainuqa first for no justifiable reason. And Muhammad’s attacking the whole community and attempting to slaughter them en masse, on account of an individual ignorable silly act, was an instance of taking unjustified barbarism to the extreme. Did a treaty, the so-called Constitution of Medina, exist between Muslims and the Jews? We have noted above that Allah accuses the Jews of repeatedly breaking a treaty. Ibn Ishaq likewise writes:
Asim b. ‘Umar b. Qatada said that the B. Qaynuqa were the first of the Jews to break their agreement with the apostle and to go to war, between Badr and Uhud, and the apostle besieged them until they surrendered unconditionally.Muslims boast about this so-called treaty—known as the ‘Constitution of Medina’ and considered the ideal blueprint of the Islamic state—as an epitome of tolerance, human rights and justice to people of all faiths in Islamic state. I will go into detail of the terms of the treaty, which is readers can find in Ibn Ishasq (p. 231-232): it is nothing but a document, demanding unconditional subjugation of all Medinans to the political and religious commands of Muhammad, a recent refugee in Medina. I will, however, prove that the treaty was never signed by the Jews; they probably never saw it. This treaty, according to Ibn Ishaq, begins as thus:
In the name of God the Compassionate, the Merciful. This is a document from Muhammad the prophet between the believers and Muslims of Quraysh and Yathrib, and those who followed them and joined them and labored with them.[4]It becomes clear that this document was an invitation from Muhammad and his Muslim community to other tribes of Medina (the Jews included) to assemble after Muhammad and follow his commands. This opening in no way suggests that it was signed by any non-Muslim party. And moreover, we have seen above that not only Muhammad but also Allah agreed that the Jew would not accept Islam and submit to Muhammad’s leadership. Under these circumstances, is there any ground to believe that the Jews would sign a document, which starts with the words: “This is a document from Muhammad the prophet…” Signing this document means not only submitting to Muhammad’s leadership, but also to his prophethood, a claim which the Jews ridiculed in the least. Similarly the document ends with these words:
God approves of this document… Muhammad is the apostle of God.We can again be sure that the Jews would never have signed this document, which says “Muhammad is the apostle of God”, which they flatly rejected, indeed ridiculed, all along. Quite agreeing with this assertion, Montgomery Watt (a Western Islamic scholar favorite to Muslims, whose books are published in Pakistan) records that there were nine contracting parties in this document: they were the Muslim refugee from Mecca and Medinan Arab tribes (non-Jewish), who had become essentially Islamic by converting to Islam in large numbers after Muhammad’s arrival in Medina. None of the Jewish tribes were a co-signatory in this document.[5] This proves beyond doubt that the Jews would never have signed this document. Instead, it was most likely a document that records a secret understanding between Muhammad and the Medinan pagan-turn-Muslim tribes, who had long-standing alliances with the Jewish clans. As Muhammad was planning to deal with the Jews because of their obstinate refusal to embrace Islam, he needed this document or understanding with his Medinan converts to create an excuse to strike the Jews. There is no alternative “logical” explanation to it. -------- MA Khan is the editor of islam-watch.org and the author of Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism and Slavery.
[1] Ibn Ishaq, Life of Muhammad, trs. A Guillaume, Oxford Uiversity Press, Karachi, 2004 impint, p. 363 [2] Al-Tabari, History of Al-Tabari, State University of New York Press, Vol. VII, p. 86 [3] Ibn Ishaq, p. 363-64 [4] Ibn Ishaq, p. 231-232 [5] Watt M (1961) Islam and The Integration of Society, Routledge & Kegan Paul, London, p. 19
There are few surprises
There are few surprises here.
Moslems have always been particularly good at re-writing their own history.
It often seems that to the Moslem there is no history prior to their arrival.
Muslims have also thoroughly suppressed versions of history beyond their own (one reason why determining the facts of Islamic history is so hard).
So it is always interesting when Islamic history actually contains the information to undermine a fondly held illusion of the Muslims.
On occasion it seems that the early Islamic Historians (Ibn Ishaq etc) and Hadith compilers were surprisingly honest about what they recorded.
This was at a time when "free-thinking" had not been banned by the religious authroites, of course.
Once that took place, othodoxy and muhammed-worship took over.
I think we are fortunate that the Hadith and Sunna seem to have survived without massive redaction (not to mention reduction) in the post-ijtahid period.
Hi friends Please quote a
Hi friends
Please quote a verse from Quran with the usual context of five preceding and five follwing verses where such and incident is mentioned. Muhammad never did any important act unless he received instructions from God Allah YHWH. In that sense Quran is the most rational and natural collection of Revelation; it recorded event and instructions from God Allah YHWH as to what to do in a situation in brevity, yet with clarity together with sound reasons that appeal the conscience and phsyche of civilised man of all ages under the sun.
All human beings are but a family; love for all, hatred for none.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
In The Name of Allah, The
In The Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful.
None to be worshipped but Allah, and Muhammad is His Prophet.
The Jews of Madina were arrogant and oftenly accused and attacked Arabs.This is the reason why Muhammad was accepted and invited by the Ansar to Madina.The Aws and Khazraj learnt from their neighbours (Jews) that a prophet will come.The Jews themselves knew this.But when it happened that the Prophet was an Arab, the Jews turn against him denying the truth that they evidently knew in their own scriptures.Had Muhammad been a Jew they would certainly have accepted him.
These racists (unfortunately they still are) shamelessly denied the truth in the Torah that a prophet was to come after Issa.Muhammad came and they rejected him although they had the facts.
Now the only way to deal with hypocrates denying facts, being arrogant to Arabs and wanting to rape their daughters was to eject them from town.This the Prophet did.
No race has been more inhuman and tracherous that the zionists.
Who ever wrote this post is
Who ever wrote this post is speaking the most amount of nonsense ever. Your talking about jews being kicked out of madina, but you fail to realize that it was these people who told the tribe in madina that muhammed fulfilled the prophecies and it was these people of madina who went to the prophet and asked him to settle their civil wars and so on. And it was MUhmmed that asked of them one thing, which was to accept that there is one true god, hereby all but a few accepted the message and invited muhammed to their land.
Muahmmed didnt preach to them about the abrahamic relgion. The jews in madina heard of him and said he was the prophet that was prophesised to them. He had no intention of going madina prior to the message recieved. So you quoting the follwoing is total nonsence :
And he adopted many Jewish rituals and customs—fasting, circumcision, praying toward Jerusalem etc.—to make Islam truly look like an Abrahamic creed for the first time.
You further quote 2:120 and you say the following:
Muhammad (or Allah) eventually became sure that the Jews (& Christians) would, in no way, embrace his message. So Allah came down with a verse (Q 2:120) to relieve Muhammad from further persuasion of them, allowing him do what was needed—the subject of this debate:
ANSWER: Where did you get this peace of information. its talking about once you are a muslim the christians will never accept you unless you follow their religion. Its not talking about the jews or christians embracing islam. Look at the verse
Q 2:120
Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion.
Do you see its not calling for people to embrace the relgion.
Next you quote the following verse of the quran
Q 8:55: For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who reject Him: They will not believe.
Lets look at the verse above this verse to see if what you say is tru or what you say is a lie.
[8:53] GOD does not change a blessing He has bestowed upon any people unless they themselves decide to change. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.
[8:54] Such was the case with the people of Pharaoh and others before them. They first rejected the signs of their Lord. Consequently, we annihilated them for their sins. We drowned Pharaoh's people; the wicked were consistently punished.
[8:55] The worst creatures in the sight of GOD are those who disbelieved; they cannot believe.
[8:56] You reach agreements with them, but they violate their agreements every time; they are not righteous.
You wrote: Muhammad found no excuse to attack the Jews. So Allah had to create one, an outrageously silly one at that in verses 8:55–58. The Jews are the worst of beasts, of living creatures, because they would not believe in Muhammad’s messages:
ANSWER: Firstly where does this relate to provoking an attack. And where the hell are jews mentioned. Its talking about the people who dont belive. These can be athiests, jews, christians, hindus, sikhs. In no way does the verse give a relation to the killing and attacking of jews.
YOU FURTHER QUOTE AFTER: What punishment do they deserve for being the worst beast because of their rejection of Muhammad? It’s defined in previous verse (Q 8:54), which says they deserved the same punishment Pharaoh suffered for rejecting the ‘Signs of their Lord’ (brought by Moses):
ANSWER: Its talking about the people of pharoah. The people of pharoahs were not jews. They belived in different gods. So where does it say that this verse was talking about jews.
Where you getting your information from. I dont need to proceed any further to answer your post because its full of nonsense. You are really talking from your own intellect, which is uneducated to a level that you cannot even differentitate or understand what the verse is talking about.
paarsurrey, you pulled that
paarsurrey, you pulled that same junk on CAF with the 5 verses routine - go look them up yourself. And all you do is try to rewrite the already accepted translations which is total bunk.
And gee! Why was it a surprise to Allah that the Jews and Christians, and others, would not buy Muhammed's religion?!??! I THOUGHT ALLAH WAS ALL KNOWING AND ALREADY PREDESTINED humans! Why set Muhammed on a futile mission? Or is it that what Muhammed leaked out a few times that Allah was a deceiver and that the real dupes are the Muslims themselves?
And another aspect of Muhammed's time in Mecca was that he was not so 'persecuted' and 'peaceful' as all the Muslims tell us he was.
The elders asked mohammed's uncle to stop Muhammed from ridiculing them and taunting them. Ishaq:119, Tabari VI:93, 95-96 are all very similar.
[B]Ishaq:119 "'Abu Tabib, your nephew Muhammad has cursed our gods [at this point he had cursed all of them, including Allah], insulted our religion [more correctly, insulted them by trying to steal their religion], mocked our way of life and accused our forefathers of error. Either you stop him or let us get to him. For you, like us, are in opposition to him. He gave them a conciliatory reply. They returned a second time and said, 'We have asked you to put a stop to your nephew's activities but you have not done so. By Allah, we cannot endure having our fathers reviled and our customs mocked.' Muhammad thought that his uncle had the idea of abandoning and betraying him, and that he was going to lose his support. The Apostle broke into tears."
And paarsurrey, if you want more verses - go look them up yourself.
And take note - Muhammed was
And take note - Muhammed was a big cry baby when he thought he would lose his uncle's support - that same uncle he cursed at his death bed because he wouldn't accept his 'religion'. nice guy, that muhammed... NOT!
"The Jews were driven out of
"The Jews were driven out of Medina for attacking and killing Muslims. Consider it a mirror of today’s Gaza."
Hmmmm, this statement is truly ridiculous. Don't tell me that this guy got this idea after israel-palestine conflict.
"Firstly where does this relate to provoking an attack. And where the hell are jews mentioned. Its talking about the people who dont belive. These can be athiests, jews, christians, hindus, sikhs. In no way does the verse give a relation to the killing and attacking of jews."
Hey, big mouth. Look at reality. Muslim consider non-muslim especially jews as unclean, cursed and fuel for hell fire. With this statement alone is sufficient to attack people who don't believe allah (the pimp). Remember the mission, muslim. Don't you want to build an islamic leadership on this earth? To make all nations adopt sharia law either through preaching, deceit or violence. Anything will do as long as islam advance.
"Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion."
The same with you: Never will the muslims be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. It;s common trait of this middle east faith. Bah, always acting like some superior race.
Jackass Elewd crying: "No
Jackass Elewd crying:
"No race has been more inhuman and tracherous that the zionists."
Hey, racist asshole. All race had commited inhuman crimes including your beloved master arabs. Jews is only one of them, and since their number is small, their impact is small.
"Muhammad came and they rejected him although they had the facts."
Before you talk about facts, you must PROVE that facts, ok elewd.
Muslims have a tendency to
Muslims have a tendency to justify even the worst of the crimes. In Islam , as per sharia there is no punishment if a muslim men rapes a non-muslim lady.
When usama killed so many innocent persons in 9/11, also muslims have justification. There is no fatwa for usama's killing by so called 'moderate' muslims (how funny). Infact he instantanously became a hero or ghazi or supreme jihadi.
Only when US told musharaff thet 'you are either with us or them' and if you dont support us then we will 'bomb you to stone age', musharraff panicked and started propaganda to pakistan, that he want to preserve the Islam and pakistan first and a temporary small sacrifice has to be done. He faced many assasination attempts.
Infact many mullahs think that still muslims in west should show the temporary peace part of Islam , so that the current trend of mass muslim immigartion should continue. One Mullah infact told that only after US has 80 million muslims, they should start terrorism and start forcing Sharia with 'whatever' means.
Muslims sure know how to lie.
Muslims sure know how to lie. Medina was called Yathrib before Mo went there after the tribes of Arabs drove him out of Mecca. Yathrib was renamed Medina after Mo beeaded 900 Jewish men over 12 and stole all of their women and kids under 12. The Low life Mo killed them after they refused to accept him as their prophet. Jews didnt even accept Jesu who was a Jew, why would PO MO expect them to accept him as a prophet a man who was not even a Jew. Ishmael was an Egyptian and so waS ALL OF his 12 sons Egyptans. His wife was an Egyptian not Arab.
Arabs came from Joktan not Ishmael. Muslims need to return Median to the Jews. The world know the truth about Medina, a town stolen from Jews by Muslim thugs. Tell the truth LS and the Admadi Muslim who is lying about Allah Jehovah, a god known by Moses not Pharaoh the Muslim sura 10:90.
How can any man in 2009 lie so easily for allah he DEVIL. sura 3:54. Allah is Hindu, IllaH IS aRABIC. Admadi is a sect of Islam the rest of the Muslims hate like they hate NOI. Admadi you are not a true Muslim, neither are the black NOI.
Raisin Head says; "Arabs came
Raisin Head says;
"Arabs came from Joktan not Ishmael. Muslims need to return Median to the Jews. The world know the truth about Medina, a town stolen from Jews by Muslim thugs. Tell the truth LS and the Admadi Muslim who is lying about Allah Jehovah, a god known by Moses not Pharaoh the Muslim sura 10:90."
You dick head can your asshole produce some evidence on this.I think you are a motherfucker Jew who are too stupid to steal Arab deserts and brag of their possession.These are the thugs that we don't doubt.
Medina (or Yathrib before the Prophet) was inhabited by Aws and Khazraj - both Arab tribes.Where did the Jews come from? These homeless motherfuckers inhabited most parts of the world including Europe and thats why Hitler decided to do them a favour - send their asses to hell!
Wake up idiot!!
The secular pre -islamic
The secular pre -islamic Arabs if they would have killed that evil Muhammed, or if any one at that time killed him, the world could have been saved with this barbaric Islamic catastrophy. The peace loving, industrious and talented jews were killed by that haramic Muhammed along with his gang of thugs.
Arabs should be kicked and forced to live only in mekka. Let them do killing each other.
If arabs have any shame they should bow down to jews and build a synagogue in place of kaaba.
Israel has defeated the muslims every time (in all 4 times they got a nasty kick in there back). while in all war the odds were 60 muslims against 1 jew. This shows the superiority of jews against muslims.
Arabs should place the quran under the feet of jews and beg for alms.
What a terrible article. I
What a terrible article. I have never seen anything so one-sided and un-balanced. You don't accept Muhammad. Ok. But this is just despicable. You're no better than the extreme imams who try to portray the jews as the root of all evil. This article is a new low for this site.
#4 Muhammad was run out of
#4 Muhammad was run out of Mecca and the Jews of Medina saved his evil behind. Medina is 200 miles from Mecca. Jews welcomed Muhammad and he paid them back by killing them. People had a right not to accept Muhammad as they refused to accept Jesus. Jesus said Father forgive them, Mo said behead all of them. A big difference from Jesus and Mo.
The one thing with paranoids
The one thing with paranoids and narcissists is that they always need enemies. And Muhammed picked anyone who was not following him as his enemy. He even would pick Muslims who would not fight, or give of their wealth, as his enemy too.
It is all very similar to what Hitler and Stalin did. They both needed enemies. Both killed people around them who they perceived as enemies. Muhammed made unbelievers the enemy. He would name the Jews and Christians, but anyone not following him was perceived to be an enemy. All three have similar attributes of paranoia and narcissism.
Muhammed's followers just follow their prophet and keeping the same enemies. And all three (Stalin, HItler, Muhammed & followers) revised history. Muslims do it to justify and defend their history of killing and subjugation and torture and enslavement, etc.
And the most disgusting part of all of this is that we recognize Hitler and Stalin, but not Muhammed, as being thugs with some very bad mental problems. Who have been responsible for more deaths and misery than we can imagine. (when I say 'we' I am talking about the oh so numerous appeasers and apologists which include people that follow communism/marxism under the new name of 'Progressive', and Jews and Christians - all those who are considered enemies of Islam.)
#11Joktan is a descendent of
#11Joktan is a descendent of Eber brother of Peleg and the father of 13 sonsThis AraB haD AREAS from Mesha to Sephar. They occupied S and SW Arabia ! Ch. 1:19-23. Sabean Arabs killed Job's attendants and stole his cattle.
Arabs are some nice peeps.
Muhammad said Jews welcomed him and he never said Jews were bad before he gained power. Mo was selfish.
I must be a black Jew, and as such you hate me even more. Mo wanted the money of the Jews in Medina and after the Jews refuse he got mad. Arabs he let go, but killed 900 Jews over 12 and screwed the prettiest Jewish woman after hehad killed all of her family. Yes Muhammad raped her and Yathrib was her home. Jews and Arabs lived there in Yathrib and got along, until the thug Muhammad came along after the Arabs in Mecca kicked his behing out of Mecca.
Jack: These racists
Jack:
These racists (unfortunately they still are) shamelessly denied the truth in the Torah that a prophet was to come after Issa.Muhammad came and they rejected him although they had the facts.
I say:
The Jews do not recognize Jesus as a prophet and do not recognize the new testament.
By the way the Jews are a not a race, that was myth created by Hitler.
Jack:
You dick head can your asshole produce some evidence on this.I think you are a motherfucker Jew who are too stupid to steal Arab deserts and brag of their possession.These are the thugs that we don’t doubt.
Who in their right mind would want to steal a wasteland. Besides the only reason the Arabs became prosperous was because of oil and that is the only thing they can produce. Actually they need help from the outside world to work the oil fields because they don't have the brains to do it themselves.
Jack:
Medina (or Yathrib before the Prophet) was inhabited by Aws and Khazraj – both Arab tribes.Where did the Jews come from? These homeless motherfuckers inhabited most parts of the world including Europe and thats why Hitler decided to do them a favour – send their asses to hell!
I say:
Hitler was doing a favor to whom? 158 Jews have won the nobel prize and many of us have benefited from their achievements.
Because most Jews are Diaspora and many of their ancestors where forced to leave Israel thousands of years ago. Also because of persecution in Islamic and Christian countries they were forced to move many times and that's why they are so spread out.
Marie, I thought they are
Marie, I thought they are both - a race and a religion. With the religion not necessarily including all the Jews (the race). Since we see in our own USA so many Jews who are Marxists, and then Jews who of the Jewish religion.
Then I guess we could categorize the Jews as follows:
- religious Jews (which could be anyone since one can convert to Judaism even though Jews do not advertize Judaism like Christians and Muslims)
- Jews who try to blend in. There are different ways they did this - tried to make their services like Christians, blend into society by converting (to whatever was the mainstream religion), changed their names, etc. Sometimes this worked most times it did not.
- Zionists - all this is the Jews wanting their own state. All the hoopla about making 'zionist' a dirty word actually comes from others. There is nothing inherently wrong with being a 'zionist'. The Muslims are 'zionists' too in the regard they want the whole world - not too greedy, huh?!
- Many allied with the ruling classes for protection. This was a problem quite often since the ruling classes are fickle, and it was better for the Jews to try to assimilate as in one of the points above.
The Jews have had a hard time of it from the Christians too. But, it has been the Christians in recent history that have helped them - not the communists, not the muslims. And all the while they bash Christians because of past history and too many cannot get over it and forgive. (many Christians can't forgive as Jesus did while He was on the cross - too many Christians still blame the Jews! ironic, they don't blame the Romans though)
R_Not: Marie, I thought they
R_Not:
Marie, I thought they are both – a race and a religion.
I say:
There are black Jews and Chinese Jews. It is believed Jesus's heritage was a mixture of black, Asian, and Middle Eastern.
The whole Jewish race myth was started by Hitler.
R_Not:
The Jews have had a hard time of it from the Christians too. But, it has been the Christians in recent history that have helped them – not the communists, not the muslims. And all the while they bash Christians because of past history and too many cannot get over it and forgive. (many Christians can’t forgive as Jesus did while He was on the cross – too many Christians still blame the Jews! ironic, they don’t blame the Romans though)
I say:
True very true.
Well, I don't know about that
Well, I don't know about that part about Him being black, but 'Middle Eastern' people are also known as 'Asian'. That is how many news medias are getting away with explaining Muslim violence against non-muslims, they call them 'Asians', or 'Arabs' which is wrong too because not all Muslims are Arabs or Asians.
There are some Jews who mixed with blacks after the Temple was destroyed when they moved into Africa. And I am sure the Jews have mixed with others of the area that they settle into too. But, Jesus was not black. I suppose if it makes you feel better then it won't hurt anything. I don't say that Jesus was European just because that is where my roots are. Yes, a lot of Eurpean artists depicted Him as such, but we know that He wasn't. Some artists have depicted Him as black and some have depicted the Virgin Mary as black, brown and I am sure a whole host of other races in their art. The Virgin of Guadalupe has her depicting herself as brown - Latina-like.
Jesus' lineage was very clear in the Bible. I don't really want to go down this road with you about Jesus' lineage though.
Anyway, you should see how many cartoons I have of Muhammed, and how he is depicted! And since I think that Ali Sina might be on to something with Muhammed probably having a glandular problem, acromegaly (source: Understanding muhammad, a Psychobiography), and he probably had at least one scar from a battle he was in - he probably looked worse than the cartoons I have of him. Geez, I cannot imagine a little girl having to face that while being thighed and later on, raped. An old, deformed, scarred geezer.
Jack Eliud wrote "These
Jack Eliud wrote
"These racists (unfortunately they still are) shamelessly denied the truth in the Torah that a prophet was to come after Issa.Muhammad came and they rejected him although they had the facts."
I say: Wasn't it their right to reject any new religion on the ground that they did not believe it was true? Was the truth really proven by Muhammad & followers? And you Muslims also can now have the facts about evolution, that has much better foundation than creation-theory, especially if you believe Creation started only 6.000 years ago, like some Muslims do. But still you reject it, but that is YOUR right.
Jack Eliud:
No race has been more inhuman and tracherous that the zionists.
I say: Don't you see, when we merciless examine, criticize, denounce Islam and the behavior of Muslims, you resent it. But you do the same with the Jews. But we like to hear the defense of Islam by Muslims and "Political Correct", leftist people, in order to arrive at the truth. Muslims also should consider the standpoint of the Jews much more and realize that a lot of what they condemn, judge the Jews for, they did and do themselves. And how can the mere fact that some perpetrators of crimes are Jews and others are Muslims account for a totally different judgment?
This is what Europeans and Americans and others understand long since. Hence they have self-criticism, try to identify mistakes, shortcomings with(in) their own societies, in order to improve. Jews do this too, but most Muslims seem conspicuously to lack this humility.
Demsci, I don't need to hear
Demsci, I don't need to hear from the left to arrive at the truth - unless the truth is that they are ignoring history and prejudiced! I just don't see where the Jews had pogroms against the Muslims, or christians for that matter. If we are talking about the israelis defending themselves and time after time trying to have peace with the Arabs around them - well, everyone conveniently forgets the Arabs lobbing bombs into their lands on a daily basis, staging suicide bombers to kill women and children, breaking every single cease fire and peace treaty that they have made!
Unless Jack is a muslim himself, he is just another left wing liberal who just parrots back what the left and the muslims are telling him to parrot back. He is not looking for the truth of the matter and has not read about the bloody jihads that have been going on for 1400 years, and still going strong.
Muhammad was not spoken of in
Muhammad was not spoken of in the Bible except as a false prophet.
Jews were living in Medina and Mo came and tok over, showing no appreciation for their help after meccaNS THREW HIS BEHIND OUT Of mECCA. mO GOt ON the Arabs nerve.
Roman Christianity hated Jews for the death of Jesus but it was the Romans who killed him. To remove blame from Rome, they blamed Jews Jesus said forgive them all for they know not what they do.
Jews ruled Israel for centuries, even at the time of Jesus and Contantine. The first Christians were Jews. Jesus was a Jew. Herod was part Arab and tred to kill him as a baby.
Muhammad never followed Christianity as no other prophets were needed. Muhammad tried to use Jews and Christians to make them follow him and they knew he was lying. Jews knew the Messiah would be a Jew and to Christians the Messiah had come. Mo was not needed, so Satan made Mo his Messiah.looooooooooooo.
The article started out to
The article started out to refute the justification that was given to some of Muhammads agressive actions. Especially his war, agression against, treatment of, Jews. the justification given by Abu Shujaa and many other Muslims was the behavior of the Jews themselves, who provoked a just reaction.
It is submitted that Jews were attacking, killing, stealing, oppressing, even raping (said Jack Eliud) and breaking their treaties. Meaning that Muhammads warfare was NOT based on him just wanting: Conquest, Power, loot, slaves, to force his religion on disbelievers, to crush religious opposition. Meaning that it was NOT the only crime of those he and his followers attacked, killed, raped that they belonged to tribes, groups who DISBELIEVED, rejecting his religion, which nowadays would have been their solid right.
In much of history it was obligatory to believe in the dominant religion, at least in name, and prohibited to disbelieve or believe in another religion. Or the dominant religion was much favored over the subservient religions, like Islam was favored over Christianity and Judaism in Islamic states, with Jizya and other Islam-supremacy-features. Hence it was considered a crime, or wrong deed, to disbelieve or believe in another religion, apostacy certainly was considered a capital crime, like treason. Severe action was taken against it.
But since a few centuries part of humanity has freedom of religion. Now there should be no compulsion in religion, as Muslims themselves sometimes tell us. But in the Quran there is much talk about the "crime" or "wrong deed" of disbelieving.
It says:
"Q 8:55: For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who reject Him: They will not believe." And more like this.
Disbelief is strongly disapproved. The rejection of belief in Muhammad itself is arguably given as justification for war by him on disbelievers, including Jews.
At least the Quran CAN be interpreted as such. Even LS said that the Prophet asked the Jews 1 thing, to accept Allah as the one true God. Well, they had the right to disagree, or to agree, then reconsider, didn't they? Jack Eliud also said that "The jews had the facts and still they rejected Muhammad". It is irrelevant if this was because he was an Arab; if there is no compulsion in religion they simply had that right! It was no just cause for Muhammad to go to war with them.
Same with the comparison with the Farao; If the Farao just was oppressing the people of Israel, and Moses and Aaron were just pleading to get them free, and the Farao refused that, then arguably God's punishment was just. But it is emphasized that the Farao did not BELIEVE the signs of God. And that nowadays is seen as his right. Divine punishment for disbelieve we now see as UNjust. But the implication in the Quran is that he was punished for his disbelief, along with his unjust oppression.
So MA Khan argues that the motivation/ justification for Muhammad's war was not the provocative, unjust behavior of the Jews, but only their disbelief/ opposition to Muhammad. MA Khan is pretty convincing. And in a reaction just starting to say what nonsense he talks, how despicable, low, one-sided, unbalanced it is, makes no good argument. In fact weakens a person's case, as he/ she is seen to rely on name-calling, instead of on sound arguments.
And I really think the Quran is just one of the many historical books, with some wisdom contained in it, but obsolete in part, just like all old books get. Seeing disbelief, apostacy, as crimes or wrong deeds is not valid anymore. It should never have been too.
Islam lied about no
Islam lied about no compulsion in religion. Jews didnt say become a Jew or die.
Muslims said become a Muslim or die. The fact that Jews had lived in Medina for centuries before Mor went there proves they did not attack Mo. Mo atacked the Jews.
The creator of the world, Jehovah said choose you whom you want to serve. Allah is not Jehovah because allah said choose me or die.
RAISINHEAD why do you talk so
RAISINHEAD why do you talk so much nonsense.
Your comment: . Yathrib was renamed Medina after Mo beeaded 900 Jewish men over 12 and stole all of their women and kids under 12
ANSWER: please dont spread out these lies. You speak out of your ass all the time. Islam is not like chritianity, which says to kill all woman and children and only leave the virgin gals alive. That is what your religion says not islam. If muhammed forbids the killing of innocne tpeople and espcially the elders,woman and children during a war, why than would he kill civilians. It makes no sense. Your pathetic in your attempt to try and put your view accross. I guess everyone here has realized you chat the most amount of bollocks here. You can never justify your claim using references. RAISINHEAD your no historian so stop using stupid deluded infoprmation stored in your head and get some books out and read them.
YOU WROTE: he Low life Mo killed them after they refused to accept him as their prophet.
ANSWER: It was the jews that told the medinan tribes that muhammed fullfiled the prophecy. If it was them that belived he was the chosen one, why than would they not believe, like i said the majority of the population in madina converted to islam once muhammed told them to accept the faith.
RASINHEAD: His wife was an Egyptian not Arab.
ANSWER: Egyptans are classified as arabs.
PATHFINDER: If arabs have any shame they should bow down to jews and build a synagogue in place of kaaba.
Israel has defeated the muslims every time (in all 4 times they got a nasty kick in there back). while in all war the odds were 60 muslims against 1 jew. This shows the superiority of jews against muslims.
ANSWER: This statement just shows your racist hatred for muslims, so much so that you probably wouldnt care about the innconet children that died due to the invasion of the irali army on palestine and lebanon. Mate This is the will of allah.
Cause it says in a hadith on signs of the last days. I dont know the exact one. That during the end days the muslims will be great in number but will be like the foam on a washed sea front.
Basically saying that although we will be a large religion we will feel like the smallest one. And that is exactly happening today whereby we are over 1 billion but yet it is as if we are smaller than the smallest of all religions.
So mate dont say these jews are kicking our butts and so on, because its just the will of allah that our butts get kicked during this day and age. But allah has also promised us victory, and this victory can be seen because as the americans and the europeans get lazy and obese and in a life of just enjoyment the exact opposite is happening to the asian nations whereby a recent study showed that for every graduate in england there is 6 graduates in india.
And whilst in these nations people tend to have less kids, the nations of islam the population is rapidly growing. So smart ass feel free to say muslims are getting their butts kicked cause one day its gonna be the exact opposite.
The truth is very painfull to
The truth is very painfull to ear for Muslims. The role of victims is what legitimitimate all Muslim's bad deeds. They need this. If they were not "victims", Islam would appear in broad daylight for what it is ; a brutal enterprise of submission lead by a megalomaniac who ttought he has been predicted by Abrahamm and Jesus !!!!!
Yes, Muhammad hoped the Jews would convert or submit to him. When he realized the Jews would not convert, he began to hate them because they were a living testimony against his pretentions. Why should have the Jews be converted ? There was absolutely no reason to convert to an impostor, to an ex-arab idolator they just, themselves, teached and whose ancestors never considered Abraham or Ismaël as their fathers, whose ancestors had always been polytheists from immemorial times. If Abraham and Ismaël had built Mecca, Arabs would not have forgotten so totally their faith. This is so obvious. The Jews never forgot; why the Arabs ? And it is the same Muhammad, teached by the Jews, who accuses Jews to have badly preserved their Scriptures !!!!! What a heap of intellectual and moral indecency !!!
No, my friends, Muhammad is the agressor. When you pretend to be a God's messenger, you are patient, enduring, peacefull, forgiving, loving.You convert by the strenght of your message and the radiance of your moral personnality. Muhammad had nothing of this. That is why Quran and his life is a recital of curses and violence. Muhammad could no convince people pacifically that his puerile and mediocre forgeries were a message from God. Violence was his only means, and expectations of plunders.
Q : 8, 62 : "You look for temporal goods of this world" said Allah to Muhammad. What a prophet of God is the one who forget his mission for the goods of this world ! Muhammad lectures himself because people were beginning to gossip and make fun of his pretentions. How about Jesus and Buddha ? Just compare.
Even if Muhammad would have been victim of violence, he just discredited himself and his message by yielding to violence. He unmasked himself. He was not a God’s messenger but a self- deceived man or a plain and conscious forger. Muslims, just keep on decieving yourselves !
Londonspirit, Egyptians are
Londonspirit, Egyptians are not AraBS BUT bERBERS.PhaRAOH WAS NOT AN aRAB AS aRABS TRADED WITH dAVID AND SOLOMON AND SO DID eGYPTIAN. Now Muslims are saying the Pharaoh was an Arab now. wow the Muslim invaded Egypt in the 8th century and Muhammad said Mary the coptic slave of Egypt. If Mary was an Arab why didnt Mo marry her.? LS sorry you lied again and got caught. Egypt came from Ham and Arabs came from Shem.
Egyptians are not Semitic like Arabs are. LS, as a white European you came from Japeth as Muhammd said you are greaT, BUT ONLY AS RULERS NOT AS THE GREATEST OF ALLAH. aRABS GOT THAT SPOT. jESUS NEVER SAID KILL ANYONE. The OT is not from Jesus.
#2 I dont like Islam because allah lied and so did Mo. I dont like Islam because allah said he created me black to be your slave. Islam is evil and racist. Why cant you be my slave if allah is fair.
Islam is racist because allah said arabs are the best,
Egyptian were Berbers and not Arab. You are a fool. Christians freed blacks from Islamic slavery and now you all want to reinstate slavery aGAIN. The Saudi said so and today you low life Muslims are bring slaves into America and pretending they are just employees. You low life slavers of a lying low life god named Satan the Devil according to the boastful anti god called Allah the greatest liar , deceiver as you are LS. Satan deceived you not me.
Raisinhead, Egyptians are not
Raisinhead,
Egyptians are not berbers, they are copts. Berbers live in Tunisia and Algeria.
You don't have to be an expert on everything.
Londonspirit, can you show us
Londonspirit, can you show us some evidence that the Jews said that Prophet Muhammad was really the messiah. Just curious to know.
And don't worry about Raisin head, she is the resident entertainer of FFI. We are glad that we have her around.
#30 Copt is how Arabs
#30 Copt is how Arabs pronounced the Word Egypt from the Greeks.
The Christians were called Coptic christians after they broke away from the Romans. When the Arabs took Egypt, then the language changed and Islam removed as much of Egypt as they could, They even teied to remove the pyramids. They lost as Copts are still there and are now fighting back. Finally.
I am so happy to etertain truthfully, AS LONG AS muslims entertain the thought of making slavery legal again, I will entertain.
Some say all North Africa are Berbers. I guess those who want to be Berbers are Berbers and those who dont, dont. North Africans are not Nubians but had Nubian slaves. I dont want to haVE ANOTHER CIVIL WAR IN aMERICA OR ONE IN aFRICA. But if Muslims think they are going to enslave us enmass again, they got ten thought coming. This time we will enslave them.
To aryavratt, No: 30 There
To aryavratt, No: 30
There were many jews who accepted Muhamad and many who did not. One of the most famous of the Jewish converts to islam was was a respected Jewish Rabbi from Medina. The following is an excerpt from wikepedia.
Abdullah ibn Salam
Abdullah ibn Salam ibn al-Harith or Abdullah ibn Salaam (Arabic: عبدالله بن سلام) (43 AH (663–664) [1]) was a sahabi said to have been a rabbi of aristocratic stock before converting to Islam [2].
He is credited with a large corpus of Judaic traditions (Arabic: Isra'iliyat) [1], many of which are to be found in al-Tabari's (d.923) commentary on the Qur'an. He participated in the conquest of Syria and Palestine, but died in Medina [2].
Biography
Abdullah ibn Salam was a Jewish rabbi in Yathrib who was widely respected and honoured by the people of the city even by those who were not Jewish. For a fixed period each day, he would worship, teach and preach in the temple. Thereafter he would devote himself to the study of the Torah. In this study he became particularly struck by some verses of the Torah which dealt with the coming of a Prophet who would complete the message of previous Prophets. Al-Husayn therefore took an immediate and keen interest when he heard reports of the appearance of a Prophet in Mecca. He said:
"When I heard of the appearance of the Messenger of God I began to make enquiries about his name, his genealogy, his characteristics, his time and place and I began to compare this information with what is contained in our books. From these enquiries, I became convinced about the authenticity of his prophethood and I affirmed the truth of his mission. However, I concealed my conclusions from the Jews."
In 622, Muhammad left Mecca for Yathrib. When he reached Yathrib and stopped at Quba, a man came rushing into the city, calling out to people and announcing the arrival of Muhammed. At that moment, I was at the top of a palm tree doing some work. My aunt, Khalidah bint al-Harith, was sitting under the tree. On hearing the news, I shouted:
'Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!' When my aunt heard my takbir, she remonstrated with me: 'May God frustrate you...By God, if you had heard that Moses was coming you would not have been more enthusiastic.'
'Auntie, he is really, by God, the brother of Moses and follows his religion. He was sent with the same mission as Moses.' She was silent for a while and then said: 'Is he the Prophet about whom you spoke to us who would be sent to confirm the truth preached by previous (Prophets) and complete the message of his Lord?' 'Yes,' I replied.
Without any delay or hesitation, I went out to meet the Prophet. I saw crowds of people at his door. I moved about in the crowds until I reached close to him. The first words I heard him say were:
'O people! Spread peace...Share food...Pray during the night while people sleep... and you will enter Paradise in peace...'
I looked at him closely. I scrutinized him and was convinced that his face was not that of an imposter. I went closer to him and made the declaration of faith that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.
The Prophet turned to me and asked: 'What is your name?' 'Al-Husayn ibn Sailam,' I replied.
'Instead, it is (now) Abdullah ibn Sallam,' he said (giving me a new name). 'Yes,' I agreed. 'Abdullah ibn Sailam (it shall be). By Him who has sent you with the Truth, I do not wish to have another name after this day.'
I returned home and introduced Islam to my wife, my children and the rest of my household. They all accepted Islam including my aunt KhaIidah who was then an old lady. However, I advised them then to conceal our acceptance of Islam from the Jews until I gave them permission. They agreed.
Subsequently, I went back to Muhammed and said: 'O Messenger of God! The Jews are a people (inclined to) slander and falsehood. I want you to invite their most prominent men to meet you. (During the meeting however), you should keep me concealed from them in one of your rooms. Ask them then about my status among them before they find out of my acceptance of Islam. Then invite them to Islam. If they were to know that I have become a Muslim, they would denounce me and accuse me of everything base and slander me.'
Muhammed kept him in one of his rooms and invited the prominent Jewish personalities to visit him. He introduced Islam to them and urged them to have faith in God...They began to dispute and argue with him about the Truth. When he realized that they were not inclined to accept Islam, he put the question to them:
'What is the status of Al-Husayn ibn Sailam among you?'
'He is our sayyid (leader) and the son of our sayyid. He is our rabbi and our alim (scholar), the son of our rabbi and alim.'
'If you come to know that he has accepted Islam, would you accept Islam also?' asked Muhammed.
'God forbid! He would not accept Islam. May God protect him from accepting Islam,' they said (horrified).
At this point I came out in full view of them and announced:
'O assembly of Jews! Be conscious of God and accept what Muhammad has brought. By God, you certainly know that he is the Messenger of God and you can find prophecies about him and mention of his name and characteristics in your Torah. I for my part declare that he is the Messenger of God. I have faith in him and believe that he is true. I know him.'
'You are a liar,' they shouted. 'By God, you are evil and ignorant, the son of an evil and ignorant person.' And they continued to heap every conceivable abuse on me..."
The following Qur'anic verse were revealed for Abdullah:
“And a witness from the Children of Israel testified to this (Quran being from God) like (the Torah). So he believed while (most of) you (Jews) are too proud (to believe).” (46:10)
To Claude, No. 27 You
To Claude, No. 27
You said:
There was absolutely no reason to convert to an impostor, to an ex-arab idolator they just, themselves, teached and whose ancestors never considered Abraham or Ismaël as their fathers, whose ancestors had always been polytheists from immemorial times. If Abraham and Ismaël had built Mecca, Arabs would not have forgotten so totally their faith. This is so obvious. The Jews never forgot; why the Arabs ? And it is the same Muhammad, teached by the Jews, who accuses Jews to have badly preserved their Scriptures !!!!! What a heap of intellectual and moral indecency !!!
I Say:
You should get your facts straight and consult historical events before you go on a rant.
The jews received many prophets and messengers since Abraham and Isaac. Jacob, Joseph, Joshua, Solomon, David, Elias, Zachariah, Aaron and Moses to name just a few. Even then, whilst Moses was still amongst them they started worhsipping a golden calf!
Contrarily, the Arabs did not have any prophet since Ishmael and even he did not preach to the Arabs as none were about because he was their ancestor. So it was quite easy for them to miss out! Wouldn't you think?
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I think Mohammad was not
I think Mohammad was not profit and Allah was not and is not God. Allah which is known was a large statue in Makah beloved by some to be their god.
I think the only thing Muhammad thought his follower is LAYING. And this laying is going on ever since he claimed to be prophet.
By reading this article, and many other historical books in Islam, written by Muslims. Now we know Muslims by killing Jewish people (Bani Ghraiz) and sending two other tribes to excel officially occupied the City of Medina. To day this Jewish City MUST BE RETURNED to ITS JUST OWNERS, Jewish people. More over, Muslims MUST COMPENSATE Jewish people for 1400 years of occupation.
Jack, You are one myopic
Jack,
You are one myopic racist. You do not know history, nor much about Judaism. You might want to read Aish for insight on this faith.
A Deist, Feminist, Goy Zionist
I was baptised Catholic and raised m Episcopalian.
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Kebirilewd boasted: "The
Kebirilewd boasted:
"The jews received many prophets and messengers since Abraham and Isaac. Jacob, Joseph, Joshua, Solomon, David, Elias, Zachariah, Aaron and Moses to name just a few. Even then, whilst Moses was still amongst them they started worhsipping a golden calf!"
"Yeah...yeah... All of them were jews and the world don't have problem with them, but when change to arabs (only 1 man), booom, xxxx happens everywhere up until now.
Contrarily, the Arabs did not have any prophet since Ishmael and even he did not preach to the Arabs as none were about because he was their ancestor. So it was quite easy for them to miss out! Wouldn’t you think?"
Hey, big mouth can you prove that ismhael or whatever his name is really a prophet/real person??? And the most important thing that muhammad (the xxxxxx) was desended from him. Family tree please! otherwise, xxx your big mouth. btw you still owed me an answer from another post.
#34 why so mean my brother
#34 why so mean my brother from another mother! Muhammad bin Abdahhah called my people raisin heads and ugly and pug nosed. A man who was a prophet making fun of people who saved his butt needs exposure. You sign the note. Mo didnt call you nd your ilk raisin headed or nappy headed. Sorry if Mo had called whites stinking dog haired long nosed mamluks, would you just love that. What if allah said that. Well Allah did say that. In the NOI branch of Islam 24 Black gods called you and Muhammad of Arabia the DEVIL and they had not even read the Quran. On of the 24 named Yacub made the long haired mamluks and DEVILS. lol. AraBS GOT MAD AND PUTTHE noI BLACKS OUT OF iSLAM. fARRAHKAN ignored it. He is now preaching Sunni.lol Allah reaLY IS THE devil NOW IN aRABIC Sura 3:54 and NOI.
Muslims need to return Medina
Muslims need to return Medina to the Jew and ARABS WHO LIVED THERE. mUSLIMS NEED TO RETURN SUDAN BACK TO bLACK SUDANESE. Muslims need to return to Mecca where they came from. Muslims have created absolutely nothing to mankind in 1400 years. NOTHING. Jews did wonders, even after all of the hatred. Arabs destroyed Egypt. PharaOH WAS NOT AS BAD AS iSLAM. He didnt know he was a Muslim. Sura 10:90. Mo lied to Egypt and made them feel Islamic by including this crap in the Quran.
The man who wrote the Quran mostly, exposed Muhammad and Mo had him killed. After mo got some Egyptian honey he made egypt Islamic. The baby died though. The slaves owner found out that Mo was sexing her and she got mad and told everyone that Mo screwed the slave named Mary from Egypt.
Then Mo refused to sex all of his wives. The wife who got fat he was going to divorce but Aisha saved her by taking her night of sex. Mo promised all of his thugs big breated white women like Mary the Coptic slave if they died stealing for allah and 28 white boys. Mo loved white!loooooooooool
African and Arab Muslims
African and Arab Muslims should be sued for unlawful enslavement. Not one cent have they paid back for illegal murder and enslavement of mamluks and abeeds. The Quran should be banned for inciting slavery JIM CROW, hatred of Catholics Jews and blacks. The KKK used all of the same hatred in America that the Quran did. The KKK has a holy book called the Kloran.
"Mo loved
"Mo loved white!loooooooooool"
HHmmm, good taste. Even allah loves white, he never chose black prophet. Why white? What about red, brown, yellow?
R_Not: Unless Jack is a
R_Not:
Unless Jack is a muslim himself, he is just another left wing liberal who just parrots back what the left and the muslims are telling him to parrot back. He is not looking for the truth of the matter and has not read about the bloody jihads that have been going on for 1400 years, and still going strong.
I say:
Jack claims to be a Muslim and believes Hitler did a good deed. Jack is not a liberal nor is he a conservative. To be honest going by his writings if he was not involved with the cult of Islam he would be involved with the neo-nazis or the kkk. Some people are just plain evil.
londonspirit: ANSWER:
londonspirit:
ANSWER: Egyptans are classified as arabs.
I say:
Egyptians existed before Ishmael and the arabs are suppose to be his descendents ( according to Islam ), so the Egyptians cannot be arabs because they are descendents of Ishmael. Arabic is not a native language of Egypt and it was not spoken there until the Muslims came and conquered the country.
#44 go marie. LS lost the
#44 go marie. LS lost the debaTE.
Marie LS forgot to read and lied like the Muslims do.
#42 Mo had a choice. I dont
#42 Mo had a choice. I dont blame him for liking white. I like yellow. But allah was god and he created all people or so he said loooool he only like whites and created blacks for hellfire and slavery to whites. (Tabari) Nothing was said about Chinese people but they were smart.
Black Muslims said the white man is the DEVIL and the white man said the Black man is the DEVIL. looooooooooooooooool I wish you Muslims would stop the hate. Allah is yellow.looooool or red, green, what color is the moon?
RASINHEAD there is something
RASINHEAD there is something seriously wrong with your deluded head. Yes i admit some hadiths say those things. But some hadiths also say the following:
God’s Messenger came with the Divine Message and proclaimed that no Arab is superior over a non-Arab, and no white is superior over black (Hanbal, 5.441.)
He also declared that even if an Abyssinian black Muslim were to rule over Muslims, he should be obeyed ( Muslim, “ ‘Imara,” 37.)
‘Umar once said of Bilal: "Bilal is our master, and was emancipated by our master Abu Bakr" (I. Hajar, al-Isaba, 1.165.)
Now why do i belive to choose these hadiths over the other ones that promote racism. Simply because it agrees to the quran and doesnt contradict with the verses of the quran. The following verses prove that:
"Say: We believe In God, and in whatHas been revealed to usAnd what was revealed To Abraham, Isma'il(Ishmael);Isaac, Jacob, and the tribes,And in (the Books) Given to Moses, Jesus,And the Prophets,From their Lord:
We make no distinction Between one and another Among them and to God do weBow our will( in Islam)."
Holy Quran 3:84
Do you see god makes no distinction between tribes, whether black or white. Further
"O Mankind! Most certainly, it is We( God almighty) who have
Created you all From a single (pair) Of a male and a female, And it is we who
Have made you into Nations and tribes, That ye may recognise each other
(Not that ye may despise each other). Verily, the noblest of you In the sight of Allah Is (he who is) the most Righteous of you."
Holy Quran 49:13
Can you see RAISINHEAD how it says tribes were created NOT TO HATE EACH OTHER but TO RECOGNISE.
Further more
"And mankind is naught but a single nation."
Holy Quran 2:213
Sing nation, it is not saying here mankind is two nations, one white and one black. We are together as one nation. That is why Islam is the only religion in the world that has the biggest gathering whereby people of different race and class join together in two simple cloths to perform pilgrimage. No other event in the world comes even close to the hajj. This is full unity. Any one who discriminates against race, colour, gender will perish.
NOW RAISINHEAD do you see why i would rather see that the hadiths i state are more likely to be true that the ones you state.
But if you look at the bible you will et much more explicit racsim.
#47 The Black Muslims didnt
#47 The Black Muslims didnt have hadiths, they hated white people. Muhammad and you are white and you are Satan so said black Muslims. Muhammad said black are the devil and cursed. Quran said CURSED. nOW DIDNT ALLAH WRITE THE QURAN or did Mjuhammad or a SCRIBE. wHY ARE THE HADITHS STILL INCLUDED IN iSLAM IF iSLAM IS SO NICE AND NOT RACIST. aLLAH SAID THE EVIL RACIST CRAP THEN HE CHANGED AND SAID NICE THINGS EXCEPT THOSE NICE THINGS ONLY WAS FOR BLACK AND WHITE MUSLIMS. This gave the black and white Muslims the right to enslave non-muslims of the black and white and chinese variety. LS forget it man. If you had the chance you would enslave all of the black mates in London or they would enslave you.
Muhmmad didnt die from slavery but poison and on his favorite wifes bed. Arabs are the best so said Muhammad and the muslims at the time. Judaism said the nice things in the Quran stolen by Muhammad. Killing one man is like killing the whole world was taken from a book written centuries before Mo was born. Stop lying we have all the proof we need. The people back then didnt have the information we have today. Islam is done. Africans were enslaved enmass aND SOLD TO THE EUROPEANS AND aRABS. Now where was freedom. Not until the Christians forced Muslims to stop slavery in 1982 did you stop it and even today you evil Muslims still have slaves all over the world.
We know what you liars do and why. allah the devil said so. Arabs put Farrahhkan and NOI blacks out of Islam in 1998 because of the race crap and partners with allah the devil. For 1400 years Arabs and white Muslims said the DEVIL is black and the black Muslims said the devil is white. THE WHITE MAN IS THE DEVIL LS remember that you devil you.l00000000000l
The Bible said we re all the
The Bible said we re all the same slave and slaver. No where does it call black man the devil except in Islam and the Kloran-KKK holy book. The OT is not Christianity which Mo said he followed. Even in the OT black was not bad.
LS i recognize all blacks
LS i recognize all blacks from each other and we are all black.loooooooo