Miracles of Quran Exposed

It is a great work. However, vast majority of Muslims are illiterates. A section of the educated class may realize the nature of Islam and leave it. But uneducated Muslims are going to cause more and more problems to the society. Is there any way to tackle this issue, which is more important than making educated realize the truth? Will Islam die a voilent death or a slow halal death? Ibrahim n Amaar, any thoughts?

Hi,let me tell one more scientific discovery in the koran.I was sitting with 3 muslims discussing general worldly matters.One of them was my colleague who happened to be a urologist.Out of the blue he told us that a man urinates on a average 7 times/day which coincides with the 7 times(????) muslims pray.I asked him but u pray for 5 times.He replied "originally it was 7 times but now reduced to 5 times".I kept silent,the other 2 muslims had a disbelieving look on thier faces & since they were non medicos kept their mouths shut.This is the science in koran.
Consumption of alcohol is strictly prohibited in islam.THOUGH ALCOHOL IN MODERATE QUANTITIES HAS BEEN SCIENTIFICALLY PROVED TO BE BENEFICIAL TO HEALTH.But muslims don't mind smoking cigarettes(many are chain smokers)whereas science has proved beyond doubt that it is the primary cause of LUNG CANCER.Drug abuse is one more problem with muslims & the whole world knows the drug related problems.Drug peddlers,atleast in INDIA are muslims.This is the science in islam!!!!

krishna786,

you are making a FOOL out of yourself (using hindu LIE and DECEPTIONS) exactly the way your god Shiva beheaded his own son and an innocent elephant out of foolishness, and another god krishna allowed devil Ravana to kidnap his beautiful wife! however, i think, you are much better than your gods. at least you didn't kill your own son and any innocent animal neither did you allow any devil to kidnap your wife/husband! or did you? what do you think?

Correction:

'Krishna' will be replaced by 'Rama' in the above post.

There are so many gods in Hinduism! So, it's easy to mix up one god with another! lol

AMIM(Assistant to Majlis of Idiotic Mullahs)

From Abid of Arabs, now you have become a chaprassi of hindus.
That`s all you have in your ajlaf character!

And why do you get mixed up with god numbers, don`t you know counting? Even chimpanzees in zoos could count.What moron of a beard monkey!

AMIM aka Amoeba, : Honoring every living being, promoting knowledge and healthy lifestyle, and finally attaining salvation through yoga is the essence of the Vedas. Live and let others live through mutual understanding and respect is the slogan of Hinduism. Vedas do not ridicule the followers of other faiths by classifying them as heathens, pagans, idol worshippers, kaffirs, and hellfire-fit candidates. In fact, Vedas declare: “Let knowledge come from all sides, and that truth is one, but wise call it by many names.”

Mohammadanism is journey from light to darkness, regression of human species to beard monkeys One example:
Mohammedans marry four wives, which is actually ugly because nature keeps a balance in numbers. There are generally an equal number of men and women, and if one man marries four women, then what about the other three men? They are going to become perverts, homosexuals, sodomists, and they will create all kinds of sexual diseases. That is why you have more criminals in islam, criminality is encouraged by koran. Mohammed himself married nine wives and had sexual diseases.

Paki_islamist Says:

“Mohammedans marry four wives, which is actually ugly because nature keeps a balance in numbers. There are generally an equal number of men and women, and if one man marries four women, then what about the other three men? They are going to become perverts, homosexuals, sodomists, and they will create all kinds of sexual diseases. That is why you have more criminals in islam, criminality is encouraged by koran. Mohammed himself married nine wives and had sexual diseases.”

So, you are saying that your God Krishna was the ugliest, pervert, homosexual, sodomist, etc. who used to possess more than 16,000 wives and young cowherd girls in his harem! (Ref: Wikipedia) :D

Good compilation ...Amaar
I am also an ex-Muslim from Pakistani origin

Muslim women prefer sharing with another man’s wife (as wife legally) rather than becoming prostitutes.

if that were true amim, sex trade would not be so flourishing all over the islamic world.

Hi,one more scientific discovery in islam.This was told to me by my senior "mecca is located at the geographical centre of the world(what does it mean?)& is the centre of the world".I told him "sir, earth is like a ball slightly flattened at the poles,if u mark a point anywhere on the earth it is the centre.Ex,New Delhi or Washington,more specific the white house could be the centre of the world".He was visibly annoyed.This is science in islam.!!!!

amin says---Muslim women prefer sharing with another man’s wife (as wife legally) rather than becoming prostitutes.
You started it now,let me know finish it.ACCORDING TO SHARIA LAW A MUSLIM CAN HAVE 4 WIVES.BUT ACCORDING TO SECULAR LAW OR OTHER PERSONAL LAWS IN INDIA A MAN CAN HAVE ONLY ONE WIFE.WHY SHOULD WE RECOGNIZE YOUR LAW.NOW U KNOW THE STATUS OF THE OTHER 3 WIVES ACCORDING TO SECULAR LAW.take care.

AMIM (Assistant to Majlis of Idiotic Mullahs):

You mean you are following Krishna now, just have to compulsorily ape somebody?? And also Tagore for beards, and monkeys for brains? Such a jhatoo you are.

Naturally, someone having 16000 wives has to be a fucking pervert. Don`t you have a simple understanding, you moron of a creature.

Such a dumbo beard monkey you are. No redemption possible indeed.

sex trade is rooted in india in south-east asian region and in thailand in south asian region.

Now this Mohammadenchaprassi has become expert in sex trade, like an slick pimp. Main profession of duffer mohammedans really!

Hi,go to any back streets of any major city in INDIA.U will find prostitutes of all religions,but the % is more from the muslim community.No i did not go for personal service,but part of a medical team.take care.

amim, if you wanna pimp ur mother and sister go to akir naik's forum. FFI is not the right place for pimps like u.

The Muslim Face of AIDS

On a cold December evening in the southern Iranian city of Kerman, the stars blazed overhead as a father took his son’s life. Enraged, and with an ax in hand, the head of a prominent Iranian family chopped his child to pieces for bringing shame upon his relatives. The son’s crime? Contracting HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. In a country where, in some parts, nearly 60 percent of HIV–positive citizens take their own lives within the first year of their diagnosis, the 23-year-old son faced little chance of acceptance, even from his family.

That tragic story is just one of the many being told as the deadly contagion unfolds across the massive Islamic expanse, from Morocco to the Philippines. In the years immediately ahead, the AIDS pandemic will exact a grim toll on a number of vulnerable populations with volatile polities–places unlikely to cope with the significant social stresses and economic burdens that AIDS can cause.
Officially, the Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS (UNAIDS) estimates the total HIV population of North Africa, the Middle East, and predominantly Muslim Asia at nearly 1 million people today. At the end of 2003, UNAIDS estimated that up to 420,000 people in Mali, 180,000 in Indonesia, 150,000 in Pakistan, and 61,000 in Iran had HIV/AIDS. Those numbers, however, are severely understated. UNAIDS figures depend upon surveillance data; thus a lack of information can be taken as a lack of infection. UNAIDS data on the number of people living with HIV/AIDS are completely missing for Afghanistan, Turkey, and Somalia, all countries with large at-risk populations. Moreover, UNAIDS’ HIV estimates are determined by conferring with local governments, and politicians who do not wish to allocate domestic resources to HIV/AIDS programs (or to deter foreign investors) can downplay its reach or simply refuse to admit its presence. Although the prevalence rates of Muslim infections may seem small when compared with the tragedy that is unfolding in southern Africa, they stand in sharp contrast to official estimates that suggest no disease at all.

An instructive tale for the Muslim world lies in the differing responses to HIV/AIDS in Thailand and South Africa. In the early 1990s, both countries had an official national prevalence of between 2 and 3 percent. Thailand embarked on an aggressive anti–HIV campaign that reached all sectors of society. AIDS education programs were delivered in schools as well as in brothels, and senior political leaders delivered AIDS-prevention messages as a part of almost every public address. As a result of this campaign, HIV rates remained low throughout the 1990s. By comparison, South Africa did little to halt the spread of HIV until the dawn of this millennium and now has the nightmarish task of controlling a disease that already infects nearly a quarter of its adult population. The Muslim world now must decide if it will replicate Thailand’s relative success, or follow South Africa’s deadly path.

It Couldn’t Happen Here

The first cases of HIV in the region were officially recorded in Bahrain, Qatar, Iran, and several other Muslim states in the mid–1980s. Despite identifying the disease early on, many countries still have not launched treatment or public health education programs to prevent its further spread. One major reason for this lack of action has been assumptions that premarital sex, adultery, prostitution, homosexuality, and intravenous drug use do not occur in the Muslim world, or happen so infrequently that the risk of the disease gaining a foothold in these countries is low.

In 1995, for example, Indonesia’s Council of Ulemas urged that condoms only be sold to married couples with prescriptions from general practitioners. It was felt that strong religious convictions would prevent people from having extramarital sex. Members of the international public health community, for their part, have not only seemed to accept the presumptions behind those arguments but on occasion have also espoused them. As recently as February, an official in Pakistan’s National AIDS Control Programme asserted that HIV prevalence was lower in Pakistan than in other countries thanks largely to “better social and Islamic values.”

Islamic culture and Muslim beliefs, unfortunately, are not sufficient to inoculate populations against the spread of HIV. The trajectory of the virus in predominantly Muslim regions of the sub-Sahara proves this point. In Nigeria, 6 to 10 percent of adults are infected, and between 10 to 18 percent of adults in Ethiopia are HIV-positive. Both are countries in which fully half of the people practice some form of Islam. Although the HIV epidemic in Muslim Africa should have sounded a wake-up call to other Islamic communities, few Islamic authorities north of the Sahara seem to have heard the alarm.

For all the diversity within the more than 1 billion-strong Muslim world–from Albania and Turkey in Europe, across Northern Africa and through the Persian Gulf, and to Malaysia and Indonesia in South Asia–a couple of common features have kept its efforts to combat the disease frozen in time. One is that there is no prescribed separation of faith and state in many Islamic countries today: The Koran is consulted not only as a religious text but also as a source of law, a guide to statecraft, and an arbiter of social behavior. Although such reliance on the Koran may help leaders envision an ideal human society (one with low rates of drug abuse, prostitution, and other types of crime), it also often keeps them from providing civic assistance to counter real social problems. Another common factor that contributes to a slow response to HIV/AIDS is the relative absence of firmly rooted or functional democratic systems in many Muslim countries. Citizens of these countries simply do not expect their governments to provide social services to mitigate the impact of HIV/AIDS. Taken together, these two tendencies–political primacy of the Koran and weak or absent democracy–have cost Muslim leaders valuable time in the fight against the epidemic.

Tackling the Taboo

Although many Muslim leaders have done little to control HIV/AIDS other than deport the foreigners that they blame for the disease, a handful of leaders have acknowledged their epidemics and are working diligently to find ways to control infections. One of the Muslim governments that does seem to be responding to its gathering HIV problem is, surprisingly, “axis of evil” member Iran. Although the social stigma associated with the disease remains quite severe–until 2001, workers could be fired from their jobs for being HIV-positive, and throughout 2002, doctors and hospitals could refuse to treat AIDS patients–recent government actions paint a more promising picture. Iran’s President Mohammad Khatami and his administration have been very forthcoming about the extent of the epidemic and the urgent need to control the further spread of the disease. HIV education is now offered as a standard part of the health curriculum in many Iranian public schools, and lectures about how to prevent the disease are also given to couples who apply for marriage licenses. Perhaps surprising, given the Iranian regime’s strict conservative reputation, needle-exchange programs also have been offered in high drug-use areas of Tehran, and syringes are now sold over the counter in many pharmacies. Hopefully, the incoming administration will continue HIV education and prevention efforts.

Yet, spread of the disease among prostitutes and their clients remains a challenge for Iran. Officials are not even sure how many commercial sex workers there are, and estimates range from 30,000 to more than 300,000. Creating social welfare programs and communicating alternative, safer behaviors for poor or troubled women and girls could reduce the number of prostitutes and levels of transmission in this difficult-to-reach group, thus preventing the further spread into the general population.

Another Muslim society has seen considerable progress in HIV education and prevention efforts within gay and bisexual networks and commercial sex circles. In Bangladesh, recent surveys have found that knowledge of HIV and its transmission is low among both male and female sex workers, and efforts to increase condom use are under way around the country. Since 1997, the Bandhu Social Welfare Society has provided safer-sex promotion activities for more than 76,000 homosexual and bisexual men. Some officials hope to expand this successful non-governmental organization from six cities where anti-HIV and anti-STD education and prevention are offered to a national program. The Bangladeshis have also successfully experimented with awareness programs in the social and religious center of each community: the mosque. Because imams play an important role in shaping values, training them to educate people to the dangers of HIV seems natural. With assistance from the Islamic Foundation, the Islamic Medical Mission, and the United Nations Development Programme, thousands of religious leaders–including some women–are now trained to deliver anti-HIV and anti-STD educational and prevention messages. Unfortunately, the efforts of Iran and Bangladesh far outpace those of other Muslim countries. Little or no surveillance data are available on the disease in many countries with significant higher-risk populations of intravenous drug users–Afghanistan and Iraq among them. Saudi Arabia and other states in the Persian Gulf have only recently begun to admit that they have a small but persistent domestic locus of infection after decades of blaming foreigners for the disease.

Guarding the Faithful

A look at the latest UNAIDS update for Muslim nation statistics is telling for its lack of information: a handful of cases here, empty columns there. But all these blank pages cannot mask the toll AIDS is taking, and will take, on the Muslim world. If Muslim societies are to respond effectively to their own still–gathering domestic HIV epidemics, they must begin mounting aggressive HIV/AIDS surveillance programs. To control the epidemic, sweeping legislative and social changes are also required. Following the example of Iran, conservative and fundamentalist regimes must harness their religious piety to deal with this urgent social need. In addition to teaching safer behaviors to higher–risk groups, social messages can be crafted to teach people that they can still be good Muslims and care for those infected with this disease. Counselors for an Egyptian hotline encourage callers to accept acquaintances and family members with AIDS by reminding them of the relationships they shared before the diagnosis. By stressing similarities between the infected and the non–infected, the counselors encourage greater social acceptance of the disease.

In the Muslim world, as everywhere else, battling HIV/AIDS is in part a women’s issue. Islamic women must refuse to be infected and die in silence. They must embrace the fight against this disease at all levels of society. Married women must talk to their husbands who work as remittance laborers overseas and urge them to avoid extramarital sexual contact (or use condoms if they do stray).

HIV/AIDS education and control efforts could also become part of each citizen’s zakat, or charity giving. In nations that use taxes as part of their zakat, some portion of the contributions could establish AIDS awareness and treatment programs. Helping Muslim societies confront their own HIV/AIDS problem might actually become an avenue of positive engagement for the United States--in regions where America could stand to improve its image.

Domestic or international, anti-AIDS action for the Muslim world must be planned and implemented soon. Unchecked, HIV/AIDS will continue to spread through Muslim countries–destroying families and deepening poverty–until it has ruined the very fabric of these societies. Muslim countries must acknowledge that contemporary societal ills are serious domestic issues, but also that modern public health and scientific measures can help them conquer this disease. And those of us in the West must respect the fundamental fact that socially conservative societies will adapt to some issues but will not necessarily buy what we mean by “modernity” wholesale.

Islamic countries are at a crossroads. They can choose to act slowly and mount only superficial education and prevention programs. Or they can choose to confront this killer virus that threatens their community of believers. After a shaky start, the formidable powers of national religious leaders can be harnessed to educate people to protect themselves. Most important, these countries have to reach out to their most vulnerable–to the people who are most at risk–to stop the continued spread of the disease. If they don’t, AIDS will exact an even greater toll among the faithful.

AIDS.. Hidden Crisis In Arab, Islamic Countries

By Mustafa Abdel-Halim, IOL Staff

CAIRO, December 1 (IslamOnline.net) - As the number of AIDS patients has risen to a surprising - yet alarming - levels in Arab and Islamic countries over the last few years, many take the blame for the shortcomings to deep-rooted reticence about discussing the epidemic and reluctance of unscrupulous governments and apparently conservative societies to admit it.

Coinciding with World AIDS Day, Saudi Arabia announced Monday, December 1, that 6,787 are living with HIV infection, five times higher than the number of the cases reported by the conservative Islamic kingdom in early August 2002.

In Indonesia, the World's largest Muslim country has a rapidly escalating level of infection among prostitutes, their customers, injection drug users and prisoners.

"Indonesia has one of the fastest growing epidemics in the world," Elizabeth Pisani, an epidemiologist with Aksi Stop AIDS, an AIDS prevention and care group, was quoted by Agence France-Presse (AFP) as saying.

In Malaysia, the country now has around 57,000 reported cases of HIV/AIDS compared to 54,000 as of June this year.

But the real number of could easily be more than double the official figure, as many fail to report their condition for fear of stigma or discrimination in conservative mainly-Muslim Malaysia.

In Afghanistan, the U.N. Children's Fund (UNICEF) warned that increasing intravenous drug use could see the war-ravaged central Asian risking an AIDS epidemic.

Indian Kashmir, with a 10-million population mostly made up of Muslims, has an estimated 20,000 HIV cases.

In the Middle East countries, the official number of people suffering from the disease hit 750,000.

Much Bigger

However, many analysts said the situation is much more grave, citing unofficial accounts showing the number of those afflicted with HIV/AIDS in on the rise at disturbing levels.

While on paper Indonesia says it doesn't have much of a problem with HIV/AIDS, the World Health Organization and UNAIDS warned in a report this month that the epidemic is in danger of leaping from the high-risk groups and into the mainstream in the Asian country.

"The gap is wider between reported numbers and estimated ones of those plagued by HIV/AIDS in regional countries, due to a plethora of reasons including governments' blackout of the true numbers," Ibrahim al-Kirdani of the World Health Organization's Eastern Mediterranean Region office.

In Egypt, the official number of people having contracted the disease is 1,200m, with the authorities' insistence to underestimate the problem in the most populous Arab countries.

But the estimated number is up to some 8,000, said Zuheir Hallaj, a Cairo-based WHO representative.

Hallaj warned that this stage is "pre-epidemic" period where the disease could be controlled and after which it could slip out of hands.

"What does the government care about is to hide numbers and avert public realization of the crisis," said Magdi Said, a former doctor at Cairo's Endemic Diseases Hospital dealing with AIDS cases.

Lack Of Political Will

Meanwhile, renowned Egyptian writer Salama Ahmed Salama, pointed a finger at the lack of political will to face the issue extremely seriously.

"Many Arab and Islamic countries do rather fear the outrage of the public if they declare the true figures," already taking the toll of economic hardships and political stagnation, Salama said.

A long-time resident of Germany, Salama hoped that Muslim and Arab countries would follow in the footsteps of West in "facing the problem head-on".

Stigma

"Many Arab and Islamic countries do rather fear the outrage of the public if they declare the true figures," Salama

Also, the HIV-related stigma and discrimination most Muslim and Arab societies feel cause untold suffering to people living with the disease, mostly accused of catching the disease through illegal and unreligious sexual interaction.

"This stigma is largely out of fear. And this fear arises out of misunderstanding about the mood of transmission of the infection, its relation to socially unacceptable behaviors and the belief that HIV is a fatal disease" said Hussein Al- Gezairy Regional Director of WHO Eastern Mediterranean Region office.

Gezairy said in a message on the World AIDS Day that as new therapies have been introduced, HIV/AIDS is now regarded as chronic disease that needs unconscious treatment, rather than a fatal disease.

In Malaysia, Drug addicts sharing infected needles made up nearly 80 percent of HIV/AIDS cases while heterosexual transmission was the second highest cause, at nearly 12 percent.

As Terrorism, WMDs

Noticeably, the rich countries are also coming under fire for the lack of action to help fight the disease in developing countries with the same vigor with which they have moved to combat terrorism and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction in the AIDS-afflicted countries.

In an interview with the BBC a few days ago, U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan said he was "very angry, distressed and helpless", as the world lacks political will to face the disease.

In a rather skeptical cunning note, Annan said that the AIDS epidemic has become the world's biggest security threats along with terrorism and weapons of mass destruction.

In Afghanistan, where the U.S. forces still make presence for fighting the remnants of the Taliban regime, a less active pace of development is going on in the fight of the disease

"If we don't start raising public awareness of the issue, and focus on prevention, increasing drug use is a serious factor that could push Afghanistan towards the risk of an HIV/AIDS epidemic s," UNICEF's Afghanistan head of health Peter Salama said in a statement ahead of World AIDS day.

The governments also disappointed that their demands for the right to import generic medicines to replace the branded products from the major U.S. and European pharmaceutical companies that they cannot afford, had fallen on deaf ears.

Little action is done, as the companies insist on keeping the rights of the pharmaceutical companies are protected by a World Trade Organization (WTO) "agreement on trade-related aspects of intellectual property rights".

Changing

But hope is still there, with many saying the situation could be much better in Arab and Muslim countries within coming years with current efforts to raise public awareness, promote media campaigns and abandon a political manipulation of the disease.

In Indian Kashmir, where public discussion of sex is taboo, has startled elements of its conservative Muslim society by launching its first billboard campaign promoting condoms to combat AIDS.

Signs in the Muslim-majority summer capital Srinagar and other major Kashmir cities feature a huge picture of a condom and a graphic of a man hugging a woman.

"Know AIDS for AIDS," the billboards read in the city, where previous anti-AIDS efforts have stressed Islam's ban on sex outside marriage.

Other campaigns sought the help of religious scholars to raise awareness of the disease and promote religious deterrence to avoid the disease.

"Talks already began with religious people to do this, they are more than ready for helping us," said Kirdani of the U.N. regional office.

Kirdani has recently attended a conference discussing AIDS in Saudi Arabia, something he said "an indication how the host country begin another new positive attitude to face the crisis".

About 45 percent of the HIV/AIDS cases in the Saudi Arabia, whose population hits 22 million including some six million foreigners, were sexually transmitted and that about 77 percent of those infected were male.

But Islam against all forms of extra-marital sex contacts, considering it haram (forbidden), and has long played a key role in turning followers away from one of its main causes.

Five people worldwide die of AIDS every minute of every day. HIV has hit every corner of the globe, infecting more than 42 million men, women and children, 5 million of them last year alone.

In 2002 alone, AIDS claimed 3 million people last year. That's over 8,000 people every day. But the story does not end there: just under 14,000 new cases of HIV infections occur every single day.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QST5YolmAG0&feature=related

Krishna’s extreme hatred and foul language against the unbelievers who do not worship him:

"The evil doers, the ignorant, the lowest persons who are attached to demonic nature, and whose power of discrimination has been taken away by divine illusive power (Maya) do not worship or seek Me." (Gita 7:15)

"The irrational, the faithless, and the disbeliever (atheist) perishes. There is neither this world, nor the world beyond, nor happiness for the disbeliever." (Gita 4:40)

"Whatever is done without faith - whether it is sacrifice, charity, austerity, or any other act - is useless. It has no value here or hereafter, O Arjuna." (Gita 17:28)

"The agent who is impassioned, attached to the fruits of their work, greedy, violent, impure, and is affected by joy and sorrow is called passionate. The undisciplined, vulgar, stubborn, wicked, malicious, lazy, depressed, and procrastinating agent is called ignorant." (Gita 18:27-28)

"There are only two types (or castes) of human beings in this world: The divine, or the wise (believer); and the demonic, or the ignorant (disbeliever). The divine has been described at length, now hear from Me about the demonic, O Arjuna. Persons of demonic nature do not know what to do and what not to do. They neither have purity nor good conduct nor truthfulness. They say: The world is unreal, without a substratum, without a God, and without an order. Sexual union of man and woman alone and nothing else causes the world. Adhering to this wrong atheist view, these degraded souls - with small intellect and cruel deeds - are born as enemies for the destruction of the world. Filled with insatiable desires, hypocrisy, pride, and arrogance; holding wrong views due to delusion; they act with impure motives. Obsessed with endless anxiety lasting until death, considering sense gratification their highest aim, convinced that sense pleasure is everything; Bound by hundreds of ties of desire and enslaved by lust and anger; they strive to obtain wealth by unlawful means for the fulfillment of sensual pleasures. They think: This has been gained by me today, I shall fulfill this desire, I have this much wealth, and will have more wealth in the future; That enemy has been slain by me, and I shall slay others also. I am the Lord. I am the enjoyer. I am successful, powerful, and happy; I am rich and born in a noble family. Who is equal to me? I shall perform sacrifice, I shall give charity, and I shall rejoice. Thus deluded by ignorance; Bewildered by many fancies; entangled in the net of delusion; addicted to the enjoyment of sensual pleasures; they fall into a foul hell. Self-conceited, stubborn, filled with pride and intoxication of wealth; they perform service only in name, for show, and not according to scriptural injunction. These malicious people cling to egoism, power, arrogance, lust, and anger; and hate Me who dwells in their own bodies and those of others. I hurl these haters, cruel, sinful, and mean people into the cycles of rebirth in the womb of demons again and again. O Arjuna, entering the wombs of demons birth after birth, the deluded ones sink to the lowest hell without ever attaining Me." (Gita 16:6-20)

Dear editor,Thanks for your concern to maintain dignity on the FFI forum.I noticed you have deleted amim's comment.Regarding your comment on my family,my mother was devoted to the upbringing of the family.My sisters are happily married & settled down.None had time for prostitution.

I DON'T BLAME YOU OR YOUR LANGUAGE,BLAME RESTS ON YOUR PARENTS FOR YOUR UPBRINGING.take care.

Dear amim,taking forth the argument in your own language regarding Krishna's sexual escapades,none were forced & all relationships were full of flirting,romance & love.
Whereas mohammed's sexual escapades were filled with rape, hate,supremacy,forcing into submission, etc, etc.
I think readers will understand this simple truth.U don't require cut & paste jobs.

Amim,
I suppose you trust arab sources more than anything else in this world and here it is.
Prostitution made legal in Saudi and no prizes for guessing who the prostitutes ar- it is muslim women from poor islamic countries like afganistan.

mode details at:
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&section=0&article=119765&d=1&m=3&y=2009

krishna786,

I think you are possessed by the demon Kali. You need immediate treatment with a mixture of cow dung and urine. Don’t go to see any doctor, ok? This is the teaching of your religion. Let us know your improvement. I wish your immediate cure.

Dear Ibrahim,excellent article regarding HIV/AIDS.U are absolutely right.Truth is pain full to amim.Let me tell u some facts of saudi arabia--
1)All expatriates require screening tests on arrival.When he goes for a second test for renewal of the contract,he may test positive.Giving due respect to "window period",where did he acquire the infection from????
2)All screening tests are conducted by saudi technicians so as to maintain secrecy.Secrecy about what?????
3)NO REPORTING OR/ UNDER REPORTING IS DONE.Check any HIV/AIDS color map,areas correlating to islamic countries are white,ie no statistics are available.
4)Tested + expatriates are exited post haste.What about tested + saudi'???.
This brushing under the carpet syndrome is common to all islamic countries.
The famous islamic WOMB BOMB will be countered by the HIV/AIDS VIRUS which will be the islamic TOMB BOMB.
MAKE WAY GODS OF ALL RELIGION,HIV/AIDS VIRUS IS THE NEW GOD IN TOWN.IT WILL DECIDE WHO HAS TO LIVE & WHO PERISHES.

krishna786,

So, you have been affected by HIV/AIDS when you were working as a drain cleaner in Saudi Arabia? You would be imprisoned had they traced you correctly.

You are lucky, my son/daughter! :D

Hi amim,thanks for your advice.I heard camel urine was better.The arabs told me it is better than cows urine.Regarding hindus,let me tell u a story in saudi arabia post babri masjid demolition.The saudi authorities wanted to teach India (read hindus) a lesson.It decided to fire all hindu doctors from saudi arabia. Unforunately they found that the health care system will be crippled.So few doctors from MOH & almost all from the royal commission(high paying limited jobs) were fired.Then they decided to take doctors from egpyt,pakistan,etc.But the doctors from these countries were so excellent that in 1998 they started recruitment from India.
So amim we are taking good care of your forefathers(saudi"s).Be thankful.

krishna786,

So, you have been affected by HIV/AIDS when you were working as a drain cleaner in Saudi Arabia? You would be imprisoned had they traced you correctly.

You are lucky, my son/daughter!

Good,you reminded me of infection.Let me tell you one more story.This one is more serious,not a laughing matter.My colleague who is an pathologist confided in me that the saudi technicians were not conducting screening tests for the pints of donated blood.ie he would write non reactive for Hiv,Hep-B,Hep-C,without conducting the tests.I lost my cool & told him to inform the hospital director.But complaining to a saudi about another saudi has its own consequences.Hence he preferred to keep quiet.Look,how they treat their own people,his own family may require blood in a emergency.

I forgot one more thing,drain cleaning is done by bengalis & pakis,not by Indians,never never by hindus.We generally are educated you know!!!

dear amim,looking at your article make me sick,what are your goal in doing all these stupid things, you know what you are doing,YOU ARE DESTROYING A CULTURE THAT HAS EXISTED SINCE LONG TIME.It's true that all these people at iran,afganistan are killing peoples rather than placing order and peace in it's surroundings that there fucking problems,i know what you are scared of,that they will attack you and your familly,these people are not true muslims,they are barbarian who still think they are living in ancient time where they are the master and all these innocents people there slave,that sucks and they sucks too,well i don't blame you for wht you are doing amim,but that would't change my goal as a muslim in this world which is like a garden.My father always says that this world is like a garden,ALLAH puts his peeple,his slave in other word to test us,to see our true face,intentions and if we are doing our missons that is what true muslims must do is to pray,going to mosque,be good with peoples,with your parents,famillies and friends.Also reading the coran in translations if you don't know cause it don't understand arab and doing all that allah had sayed in the holy coran,all what my dad told sound rude all these laws that we muslims must follows in order for our poor soul to enter the paradise yeah that sound ironic but that how it is for muslim.My dad also told me that after dead than our existence-true life starts,in this world we are on a test in which Allah test our fidelity
and belief to him and islams in which our prophets had fight in order to obtain the existence of islam.Also that all thes barbarians are not true muslims,allah had not give us the right to kill others,islam is alive,breathing and our children are the next generations to continue the culture existance in order and in peace,the place where i live is mix of differents culture,we have christian,tamil,hindu chinese,telegue and muslim.At my place we are in still in the 20 century,we are modern,sophisticate and cultuvated even if there are all these cultures in one place.The peace present in my place is far better than others.Here the muslim live in the same community as as our neighbour friend tamil,hindues and others and we are friends.In islam allah sayed to not critisize the other culture,respect them and be good person.So i'm one of these good citizen,muslim who follow the world and his culture even if i don't often pray that my problem.So my points of views for this website is full of hypocrites,fool who think of themselves as heroes haha ya better fool urself cause as strong as i believe in the prayer of my father who pray to protect his family and in his words i know muslim is the best culture in the world.I ignore all these attaks in other muslim country,had to cause that will ruin my live,they are killing each other for what can yo tell me?why?ok that enough of this crap,Imam you suck and better not be front of me cause i will kick ur ass soo hard that in the end ya will love me haha remember this loser you change the course of humanity with your research a la merde.

you cannot change the course of humanity that how it is loser and stop doing this crap,instead of doing this why don't you show the world what is happening to these people of the wars the innocent people who are dying,suffering for nothings!!!!Instead of doing this crap fing solutions for then,could you do that,i don;t think so cause mister is busy doing in this,blaming other people with their families.

Amima begam, in India people are becoming more nationalistic in their approach. Read this article in which the parents of an Indian commando, who fought bravely against the Jihadis of 26/11 Mumbai messacre, support the nationalist party, BJP.

Major Sandeep Unnikrishnan's father share dias with Advaniji in Bangalore
01/03/2009 11:38:03 HK

My Son was not killed but sought death fighting the terrorists. Have such fire in you and no terrorist can kill you – These are the words of a Father who sacrificed his life for Bharath Mata (Mother India)

Shri K. Unnikrishnan, father of Major Sandeep Unnikrishnan was addressing a rally of students and youth in Karnataka to mark the conclusion of a state-wide anti-terror campaign.

Hundreds of male and female students attended the rally in scorching heat at the Palace Grounds, about five km from the city centre.

Its highlight was an address by K. Unnikrishnan, father of Major Sandeep Unnikrishnan, a National Security Guard (NSG) commando who was killed in a gun battle with terrorists during the Nov 26-29 Mumbai carnage last year.

After being garlanded and presented with a shawl by Advani, Unnikrishnan and his wife Dhanalakshmi sought the BJP leader's blessings by touching his feet.

Don't pester AMIM-ba he is suffering after being released by Taliban.

You know he was tortured for reading HINDU books.

AMIM should be here for entertaining us.he was caught with fear of change and truth.Let him freely hallucinate here.He want to thorugh stones and escape from being caught.His mind makes us understand how a fanaticlly brain washed islamist responds.

Hi raja,Thanks for the link to Indian defense review.It gives a better perspective.Did you notice the response of amim,appears to be a spoilt brat.Life will teach him to be a better person or worse.

Discuss with any moslem for half a second only and you shall come to know the stupidity of the moslems.It takes some times less than 1/2 a second and rarely a second to recognise the stupidity of moslems.

It is not true that anybody is stupid or dumb just because one is a muslim. Otherwise you wont find so many intelligent ex-muslims like we have on this forum. Our identity is our belief (s)- the more number of beleifs we have without evidence the more dumber we appear to be. This appearance is only temporary, and as soon as we make an attempt to get rid of more dogmas we become intelligent. Muslims are as intelligent as anyone else, only that they have to look in the mirror and examine themselves( their beliefs). If they have been brainwashed for a number of years, it takes a lot of motivation and will power to come out of the well. Especially from cults like Islam where beleifs are forced on others through fear factor.

Beleif in God/unknown things is not a dumb beleif by itself. Man knows only very little about the universe he lives in. But it is not a good idea to beleive 100% in anything without some concrete evidence. It is not a good idea to keep building castle over castle of beleifs based on unproven concepts. That is how people become dumb, intolerant and violent.

Keep your identity as small as possible and be open to new theories and viewpoints, and be ready to discard age old pet beliefs if necessary. Any dumb muslim who takes this seriously will become intelligent in no time.

There is an interesting article on this:
http://www.paulgraham.com/identity.html

socratese Says:
AMIM should be here for entertaining us.he was caught with fear of change and truth.Let him freely hallucinate here.He want to thorugh stones and escape from being caught.His mind makes us understand how a fanaticlly brain washed islamist responds.

amina is a potential terrorist, if she is not one already one by virtue of being a Muslim. dnt ever take a Muslim lightly. it could be the biggest mistake of ur life. i mean amina could be sm1uve know all ur life and yet u wud never know when she wud bring out her true colors. every 1 who believes in Islam is a dangerous person, or a potential threat.

my reply to amina bai's claim that Islamic countries dn't have AIDS patient's.

Highest HIV/AIDS infection rate recorded late 2008

Luh De Suryani , Contributior , Denpasar | Sat, 02/14/2009 2:44 PM | Bali

Bali saw a jump in the rate of HIV/AIDS infections last year, data from the Health Agency shows, but one expert is contending the data actually demonstrated better awareness and data collection.

According to the October-December 2008 data on HIV/AIDS, Bali saw 308 new cases, an average of 100 new infections per month in the island. In comparison, West Java recorded 285 and North Sumatra recorded far fewer, only 183, for the same period

But Dewa Nyoman Wirawan, an expert on HIV/AIDS in Bali, attributes the surge to better fieldwork by the Bali Commission for HIV/AIDS and the island's numerous NGOs which focus on raising awareness, treatment, and mitigation of the disease.

"There are more Voluntary Counseling and Testing clinics providing services. With more counseling, more people are being open about their condition," he said.

Wirawan, a founder of the Kerthi Praja Foundation which focuses on helping HIV/AIDS patients, said his organization had identified 50 new cases of HIV and AIDS among the 500 patients it has counseled over the past two months.

Bali tops other regions in the country in terms of prevalence, with 34 HIV/AIDS infections per 100,000 people. It is second only to Papua, which has three times as many: 129 infections per 100,000 people.

Data from Bali's Health Agency shows 2,510 people have been infected with HIV or AIDS in the province as of December last year, a marked increase from the 1,836 cases reported in 2007, implying a rate of 2 new cases daily in 2008.

Data from the Health Ministry shows 22,644 Indonesians are infected with HIV/AIDS as of December last year.

Meanwhile, discrimination towards people living with HIV or AIDS persists in Bali as two more cases of families and communities refusing to clean the bodies of AIDS sufferers who died have been reported.

One case involved Made Agus (not his real name), an AIDS-infected man who died earlier this month. His family refused to take care of the body, forcing doctors to move the body to the Sanglah Hospital morgue.

Bajrang Dal potential suicide bomber ibrahima,

Have a mixture of dung and urine ASAP. That's the only medication of Hinduism to cure your mental disease. OK, lesbian sister?

AMIM seems to be regularly taking the Hindu medication.

He has been promoting it for long.

Hope AMIMs mental condition stabilizes.

raja don't worry about amina bai, she has been recruited by the talibs to carry out female circumcision in waziristan. I enjoyy seeing her frustrated. all iam afraid of is that one day she will in the foot steps of her iraqi sisters become a suicide bomber.

in the meantime i propose, some black cumin, some camel piss and dung, and lots of branding with fire for amina bai, the jewel of heera mandi. it will surely help her better her mental condition.
ummm........ dnt blame me if she is still a typical Muslim, blame allah and his messenger.lol

You have to give Koran once a credit. I've found one miracle in it and no one from FFI could dare to deny it. Mr. Sina himself will have to agree with me.

hate, rape, pedophilia, torture, genocide, assassination, dishonesty, no moral code and all the stuff mentioned in this article present in koran. Still it has more than 1 billion followers and existed for more than 1400 years. Still today taken this satanic code as word of god and revered and worshiped by billions. Is it less than a miracle?

There are only two things that are miraculous about the Quran:-

1. It has made an actual science of the finer points of killing, enslaving, intolerance, misogyny, pedophilia, wife beating, genital mutilation, beheading, crucifixion and suicide bombing.
2. Millions of dummies believe it is divine.

this Amim guy is really being a muslim. Just want to create some trouble and cause nuisance.

I've never seen any reference of cow dung or urine as medicine. Ayurveda, which is Indian medicinal philosophy and practice predates any contemporary. When his pedo mo was rubbing desert sand to clean his ass after pooping, sophisticated surgeries like tooth drilling ( 2000 BC ), nose plastic surgery ( 200 CE ), pulse diagnosis ( 300 BC ), practical usage of vaccination and immunity concept had been practiced in India. Though heaps of knowledge had been burnt or destroyed by muslim barbaric invasions, plenty of it exists till today which is more than enough for one life to study. This is the Indian ( Hindu ) medicinal science.

Here is FFI link for what koran has to say
http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=829
These apes still believe and indulge scientist in supporting medicinal values of camel urine. Just google it and you will be surprised to see that people still say it is good for Human.

AMIM pls take camel urine twice daily till you could construct small simple sentences and then construction as per norms of cultured society and could make out how to put logic together and understand logic from others. After that come back to FFI site and scribble.

For those who say muslims could be intelligent. I strictly deny this and disagree. Either one could be muslim or sane not both simultaneously. Just like we say moderate Islam doesn't exist.

If one is sane, wise and intelligent, then he will see the light and make out fallacy of Islam and at that moment he himself will be no more a Muslim.

Like converting to Islam you need shahada, but to come out you don't need any of those fancy things. Self realization is enough. Once you are not following beliefs and are question it or start believing in Islam selectively, that is the moment you are no more a Muslim.

The greatest miracle about Islam and MoHamMad is --

MoHamMad had his brain between his legs---

---- unlike other normal human beings , who have theirs in their heads.

Don't hold it against the Muslims, the devout followers of MoHamMad , if they have their brain between their legs in other words Dick Heads.

When ever a pious Muslim rapes or kills , that is pure Sunnah, poor pious Muslim is just transferring Islamic Truth. From brain to brain. Just like any present day Computer. Hard Dick (Oops disk) to Software.

@ #45 - just give it time. Like the Berlin Wall, the edifice of Islam is slowly crumbling, from without and within.