Michael Savage Banned From Great Britain: The Crime? Speaking His Mind

Never will I step foot on the UK's soil. (I went to Ireland in the 1990s and planned to revisit, but not now.) I will look at anything made from anywhere in the UK and set it down and walk away.

I guess when the Muslims say that homosexuals should be pushed off of buildings - that is ok.

Shiba al-Hamad (2005), saudi sheik Abd al-Qadar
-'Homosexuality is a sever depravity.'
-If you caught a man in the act of sodomy kill both him and his partner.'

- Middle East - Iraq- gays are shot, burned alive, beheaded, beaten to death.
- Iran - flogs them and hangs them

ITS NYC June 2004
(an unknown guy yelling)
'We muslims will never, never accept your lifestyle. We ask allah to destroy you. We ask allah to burn you in hell. We ask allah to destroy you, ... burn in hell.'

So, if they are a Saudi Sheik that is ok to enter the UK - bring your billions! If they just came back from a rough few months in Pakistan training to blow things up - that is ok.

And all of the above is ok with our Democrats and left wing liberals too! Heck, beat up Jews and spout anti-semitic remarks on the colleges - that is a-ok! Bring in a terrorist, Ahmadinejad and let him have his way in our colleges - that is a-ok. Let the MSA with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood have their way with our kids - that is ok. Hey, burn a few cars and destroy some property in France - that is ok too - come on in!

I could go on and on with this - and our left wing liberals tell us all the time how intelligent they are.

Leftists are those who convinced and forced the people of the TROY to give entry to Trojan Horse inside the city during the Trojan war. The history is repeating itself the conservatives are being pushed out and laughed at , but fools leftist suicidal people are getting the centre stage. Muslims are not only being allowed entry but are encouraged to being segregated and keep there bigotry , hatred and suicidal tendency. Its always better to deal with a powerful enemy in the battlefield, then being killed by a insider who you assumed to be your own.
Banning the quran is not a solution , but to show the ugliness of islam to the students. Ban the all faith based schools, teach one uniform syllabus, teach the truth, the whole truth. Teach everything about dark ages, the fracticidal wars, the evil raise of islam, the bloodshed caused, how the islamic cult degrades human life especially women and non-muslims. Teach about colonisation , ww1. ww2, evil hitler and his cult nazism, the muslim bosnian hitler unit etc. Many muslims will apostate and the ones who will like to be muslims will initially shout or do rioting or bombing , but will eventually emmigrate to there islamic paradises. The only thing is needed from non-muslim politician is to side with humanity and to defeat islam without any bloodshed.

Oh well, if Michael Savage still wants to visit Little Britain after his shabby treatment by it, all he has to do now is revert to the Dark Ages and convert to Islam. Then lo and behold - he will now be given the royal, red carpet treatment and be welcomed with open arms to Britainistan. He will even be allowed to address the House of Parliament as an honored guest speaker.

He will of course also be allowed to preach death to Jews and homosexuals, oppression of women and non-Muslims, praise terrorist bombers and bombings and even get himself 4 wives. The best part of all would be that the British government will even pick up the tab. Way to go Michael!

Easy guys.
Although I agree with your anger, and belive without question Dr Savage must be allowed entry into the country, please do not tar the British people with the disgraceful actions of it's government.
We have an un-elected leader, why, because if he called a referendum he would not get in. I cannot begin to describe the growing anger of the indigenous population. You would not believe the sense of betrayal the UK feels has been committed against them, but the Demorcratic way to demonstrate this will be at the next election, of which I guarantee you we will.
Look at the recent E.U polls, the extreme right gained two seats in parliment (BNP). This would never happen if the current goverment was doing it's job correctly.
They are the greatest bunch of thief's, liars and charlatans our proud country has ever known. We have the worlds oldest democracy, which is being systematically destroyed by the Socialists / Communists of the labour party. Dr Savage is not the only one to be denied the right to free speech. John Gaunt, perhaps our own version of Dr Savage recently lost his job on Talksport for doing the exact same thing. He called a conservative politician a Nazi / Health Nazi for wanting to ban Foster parents who were smokers from looking after children. To everyone's delight, the radio station has now taken a huge tumble in listeners and you can now hear him on the web.
In summary, please do not hold the people accountable for the actions of the sleazy corrupt government, I assure you we are one more scandal away from a riot.
Continue to visit Britian, (which apparrently is also Ireland R_not?) but visit that bit of land outside of the capital we call the U.K where you will find the real people.
We have shown many times, we are the first to fight for Freedom and World Peace but we need a little time to break this governing socialist experiment suffocating us all.
You owe us that at least?

To All Y'all

You people should really review your outlook on life. You should review what you are saying and writing and then ask yourselves if you are fair and objective. Or, is your extreme hatred of anything Muslim or Islamic turning you into mindless pricks?

I'm sorry but I can't watch and do nothing when the likes of people like you, who hide behind pseudonyms and probably don't have a half decent job, spew your unbearable filth masquerading as academic and open debate, rubbish a country like Britain which is trying to protect it's rich culture and heritage from mindless fascists like yourselves.

Just for the sake of balance, Britian also barred Louis Farrakhan (Nation of Islam leader) from entering the UK, Abdullah El Faisal (muslim cleric) deported to Jamaica, Yusuf Al Qaradawi (muslim cleric) banned from Britain, Sheikh Omar Bakri (Lebanese cleric) banned from Britain.

To: R_Not.

By not coming to Britain you are actually doing the British population a big favour. Yes, please do boycott Britain, because it's not dependent upon dicks like you. Oh, and yeah that's if Britian grants you a visa in the first place!

To: Shafee Al-Zindick

Get a girlfriend. A pretty one that is!

kabirlaw, it isn't my religion, or my philosophy, to say that anyone should be killed, converted or subjugated - it is indeed that in islam. No one is bothering them now in the USA - least of all me. But, that is not true if you go not only to their areas in the UK, but to their muslim majority countries. And we find that same thing here in the USA - they even attacked a guy for trying to find out about one of their over 30 compounds in the USA that have questionable activity on them. they are attacking Jews and gays, they bully and threaten businesses and private citizens.

And with your foul language it is really hard to think that your 'enlightenment' would draw anyone to your argument. In fact, it will probably turn off even more people.

As for the UK being dependent on people like me - well, yeah it is. Tourism is a big industry. So are exports. And unfortunately, we should be looking at the UK for an example of what not to do with the economy and medicine, but we have a current batch of political leaders that prefer not to learn from the failures not only in the UK, but in europe, and to forge ahead with proven failed projects.

One thing that you discount is that there are a good number of people like me at the grassroots level who are very aware of what Islam is bringing to our countries and what our political leaders are doing to appease them, and what the people themselves do to appease them. It isn't Michael Savage that brings hatred - it is islam.

kabirlaw, 'fair and objective' to you means - making sure it is something that you want to read and hear. Go read the koran, hadith, sira and the history of bloody jihad past and present and tell me how 'fair and objective' that is. That certainly isn't 'fair and objective' to any non-muslim!

Kabirlaw, you sound especially offended today. Even more than is normal for a Muslim.

Seeing that today is Friday, I am not at all surprised. Being an ex-Muslim, I know from first-hand experience how the Imams at the Jooma prayers get the Muslims all pretty worked up with the fiery spirit of Islam.

As for getting myself a pretty girlfriend, I have followed your excellent advice and have just joined the Muslima.com dating website. I will marry 4 pretty Muslimas and then civilize them all by converting them into freethinkers like myself. This will be my personal contribution to fighting Jihad. Thanks once again for the suggestion.

kabirlaw says

Just for the sake of balance, Britian also barred Louis Farrakhan (Nation of Islam leader) from entering the UK, Abdullah El Faisal (muslim cleric) deported to Jamaica, Yusuf Al Qaradawi (muslim cleric) banned from Britain, Sheikh Omar Bakri (Lebanese cleric) banned from Britain.

If I am not mistaken, all these famous Muslims happen to be terrorists or supporters of terrorism. Comparing apples with oranges. I really wish I could say, once a Muslim always a Muslim. I wonder where these peace loving, so called Human rights lawyers vanish, when their sisters (in deen of course) are banged on a daily basis in Islamic havens.

,i>I’m sorry but I can’t watch and do nothing when the likes of people like you, who hide behind pseudonyms and probably don’t have a half decent job, spew your unbearable filth masquerading as academic and open debate, rubbish a country like Britain which is trying to protect it’s rich culture and heritage from mindless fascists like yourselves.

Actually no, we are trying to protect Britain from leeches like you don't even have a job in the first place, forget a semi descent job, and live on social security while bringing a piglet a year into this world.

Shafee, LMAO. You guessed it man, it seems that the Mullah inserted the khutba into him from various fissures in his body.
The Mullahs are well know for sodomy, before I forget to add.

Kabirlaw just for the sake of balance Michael Savage was balanced with all of Islamic hatred. He is a Jew, but talks to all and only said what the quran said. If the words from Quran are hate, then get rid of the quran.

To: R_Nob

You said: it isn’t my religion, or my philosophy, to say that anyone should be killed, converted or subjugated – it is indeed that in islam.

I Say: I don't understand why it is so difficult for you to see your own crap as crap. In response to the above, isn't the whole purpose of this site, which you people so fondly contribute to by writing articles and comments (or at least that's the name you've given them) to convert Muslims OUT of Islam! Is it not?

To Shafee Al-Zindick

I'm not holding my breath because you probably need a little more than just an intention to get a pretty girlfriend. After you've been through the process of rejection and denial you can always try the dating website for the over 65's, You might have more luck. Just remember son, Dont give up, no matter what the world says to you!

To: Mr All A Lone

I'm not going to demean myself by responding to a person who thinks the most stupidest thing he has ever heard in his insignificant life is the that the poles have 6 months day and 6 months night.

Most of you seem to bring on an air of authority on Islam because you're ex-muslims. Let me make one thing clear, coming from an Islamic background alone does not make anyone an expert on Islam nor does it mean that you are endowed with certainty of faith.

Likewise, coming from a non-muslim background does not mean that a person is deprived of Islamic knowledge or that he or she has no certainty of faith.

Kabirlaw,

Why no so called 'moderate' muslims in the muslim sites says about the rights about non-muslims living in a muslim majority countries? Why they cant allow a person to leave Islam and live a good life in muslim countries?
When non-muslims are killed , all muslims have a studied nod and happiness. Why so?
Why women are forced to wear hijab? Even though many muslims cant afford more children, but mullahs tell family planning is against Allah's law and with so many children they get foot shoulders of Islam after making them read quran.
Muslims should question themselves, why now more and more infidels are reading the Quran , hadith and are panicking and coming to the conclusion that its Islam vs Humanity, and quran is the fountainhead of terror.
Why no fatwa by any muslim/mullah against the killing of Osama?
Enough people have waken up to the dangers of islam and they have only 3 choices : 1) get killed by muslims, 2) get subjugated under dhimmi rules or 3) fight-back.
All infidels who know the whole truth about Islam are choosing point 3. No time to relax. The virus of muhammed has now been identified, characteristics studied and immunization process is on and hope we will eliminate it fo good of humanity.

kabirlaw, so instead of responding to why a islam masquerades around as a 'religion' wanting to kill/subjugate people you bash me.

This is very common when one has nothing else to argue - bash. And you at least cleaned up your language! Other common things to do is ignore, deflect, tu quoque excuses, and whine I am surprised you started out with bashing since that usually comes after all the other things are tried. And you at least cleaned up your language!

But, it certainly is ironic that the UK hasn't banned the koran since that is the source of all of your angst. When Mr. Savage quotes from it - one is banned. When the Muslims deceive others about what its contents are - then it is ok. (intentionally deceiving us to know the Quran: 6:25 6:110 17:45-76) Heck, if they told the truth about what the koran teaches THEY would be banned. And we wouldn't want that since Muslims know most people won't crack open the most poorly written book on earth.

To Ibrahim

You said:

Actually no, we are trying to protect Britain from leeches like you don’t even have a job in the first place, forget a semi descent job, and live on social security while bringing a piglet a year into this world.

I Say:

I am only responding to you to set the record straight with this comment of yours. Seriously, I don't like blowing my own trumpet because Allah SWT tells us to be humble and full of humility. But this is the second time you've made such a comment, I ignored it the first time you made it. But the impression of Muslims you have is far far away from the truth and you are misleading people.

I can write this in stone for you that my family probably pays more tax to the UK government in a single year than the total amount of money your whole family will earn in their entire lifetime. Trust me don't go there, you'll only embarras yourself.

And, don't try that one again. Because if anything, part of the tax we pay is probably going to your native India in the form of aid and charity.

"I’m sorry but I can’t watch and do nothing when the likes of people like you, who hide behind pseudonyms and probably don’t have a half decent job, spew your unbearable filth masquerading as academic and open debate, rubbish a country like Britain which is trying to protect it’s rich culture and heritage from mindless fascists like yourselves."

Ahh, the tried and tested strategy of both the Left and the Muslims. The moment they start to lose the debate, they start calling names. Seems a very fascist way to shut down the debate if you ask me.

If it is such filth we all speak, I would suugest you try take the challenge and claim your $50000 reward.

Do not presume for one second we Brits want your kind defending us. It is because of the likes of you that our green and pleasant land is at breaking point. Why do you think the far right has made such ground? You cannot persistently ignore the sensitivities of the idigenous population. When that happens in Britian, we don't just lie down and take it. A mistake would be for Islam to believe we have no breaking point. The Nazi's made that same mistake.

As far as I'm aware, no one is pretending to be an academic, I'm certainly not. Yet more groundless accusations on your behalf I think. All I can see is people eager to spread their opinion, a trait your Muslim brethren are not too fond of.

Hi friends

I think there is a motto on this website that it is not against Muslims; so why the peaceful Muslims are enblock being singled out and targetted for hatred here. It is not a human approach for the Catholics, Protestants, Agnostics and Atheists here, in my opinion.

All human beings are just like a family; every one of them is to be respected and loved, not to be hated.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

paarsurrey said, 'I think there is a motto on this website that it is not against Muslims; so why the peaceful Muslims are enblock being singled out and targetted for hatred here. It is not a human approach for the Catholics, Protestants, Agnostics and Atheists here, in my opinion.'

Ironic - you left out Muslims in your list. I like it when the truth eeks out by mistake.

And we are finding out that the labels such as 'peaceful', 'moderate', etc are not totally accurate either. You are not following the threads because if you did you would read that such a hateful book as the koran and its followers are allowed in when that book calls for our death or subjugation. Yet, those who quote from that book, are the ones being called hateful - even by you.

I made a bad sentence on the last line, I said 'Yet, those who quote from that book, are the ones being called hateful – even by you.' What I meant was 'Yet, those who quote from that book, are the ones being called hateful – even by you - are not being let in which means you are muddling the issues with the koran and its teachings too.'

To Dazza

You said:

Ahh, the tried and tested strategy of both the Left and the Muslims. The moment they start to lose the debate, they start calling names. Seems a very fascist way to shut down the debate if you ask me.

I say:

If you've done your research and read the posts you will note who was the one to start name calling and who has been losing the argument one after the other. By the way, what specific debate are you refering to?

You then said:

If it is such filth we all speak, I would suugest you try take the challenge and claim your $50000 reward.

I say:

I've already offered and your mentor (Ali Sina) has sent me his book to read before I start the grand finale, keep posted.

You then ranted:

Do not presume for one second we Brits want your kind defending us. It is because of the likes of you that our green and pleasant land is at breaking point. Why do you think the far right has made such ground? You cannot persistently ignore the sensitivities of the idigenous population. When that happens in Britian, we don’t just lie down and take it. A mistake would be for Islam to believe we have no breaking point. The Nazi’s made that same mistake.

I say:

it's not "idigenous" but indigenous. Sorry to disappoint but I wasn't defending Britain for the want of people like you. You probably are far right, keeping it under cover are we. I don't know of any credible mainstream party that is Islamophobic. At least have the courage to be honest and come out of the closet. Try finding out who is and who is not indigenous before you chat shite, you may be surprised. If you love Britain so much how many wars have you fought for it? It's still at war! Then I'll tell you my family's contribution. Have we got a deal?

You then stated:

As far as I’m aware, no one is pretending to be an academic, I’m certainly not. Yet more groundless accusations on your behalf I think. All I can see is people eager to spread their opinion, a trait your Muslim brethren are not too fond of.

I say:

You're not gonna get away with pleading ignorance. If you know this site and you still made the above comment, you probably should be writing with coloured crayons. But in a short cut kinda way I will say "The people on this site are trying to disprove the truth of Islam intelligently (supposedly), which includes philosophical, historical, legal and circumstantial arguments. I would call that academic, whether you are or not is a separate question but the answer is quite evident!

So next time, before you make the biggest clutch of assumptions and gather them into a bag of suppositions and throw it all into a quarry of subconscious prejudices and preconceived notions to throw at Kabirlaw, hold your horses because you may just get the biggest whack of your life.

But you may, by all means, carry on trying to impress the others on this site, just dont try using me as bait cuz you don't know a thing about me. Write only when you're written to. Brits ought to have etiquette.

Pathfinder:
Islam is a virus M1N1. We must find a cure for Islam. I would rather keep the swine flue than Islam flu. Pigs are good food and some muslims gave the pigs the flu. Swine have been here before man and god made swine before man was made so how can the swine be bad. Pigs provided food for man after man was made. If swine is bad why did god makew pig. Pig feet, chitterlings, hog maws and bacon, pork chops are good and no man has a right to tell me that the swine is bad.. Moses was told no pig, not me and Jesus freed us from that law. Quran said Pharaoh was a muslim yet Egyptians ate pig and still do.

Pathfinder, I admire your fierce stand for humanity against Islam.

Now I am first and formost FOR something and only then AGAINST something that is an obstacle for that. What many of us are FOR is the kind of societies that evolved after and through Enlightenment and its great thinkers and others who build on them. We want to preserve and expand societies with the good functioning rules of separation of church and state, fair elections, constitutional state, autonomy of the individual, so also of all women, and free speech. This we want because we like to think about and practice the best Ideas mankind can come up with as opposed to dogma’s being preferred and clung to. As the best ideas propel mankind to do astonishing things, especially technologically. We also like the Golden Rule applied everywhere.

We want this for progress in many respects, prosperity and happiness as much as possible, through the best possible way to organize society. We understand that to achieve this everywhere, it is necessary to promote everywhere good education, for boys AND girls, rational thinking, free-flowing good objective information and interest in politics by a certain percentage of the population. In all these ideals and goals all people, including Muslims, are very welcome to participate. But we realize most humans can’t be bothered with political ideals and goals and that is OK.

But it is our contention that a big part of Islamic religion and ideas, its tenets and goals, are obstacles in some way to the abovementioned ideals and goals that we have (and we also believe it is manmade, not divine). And by FFI, many other Islam-scrutinizing websites, many Islam-critics, such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan, Robert Spencer this is argued time and again, with deep knowledge of Islamic teachings and behavior, in past and present and good logic too.

And I add that we even ask ourselves if Islam should have any relevancy in the 21st century at all for these abovementioned goals and ideals or equally beneficial ones. As it by now really is OLD, it is tried and we now think that better ideas, in broad sense, are available, which should be put into practice instead.

In my opinion THAT is the context why so many of us so wholeheartedly refute Islam and protest against the behavior of its followers.

Raisin Head - thanks, I enjoyed your post. I wonder that too about how Muslims can justify their pure hatred for God's creatures. Pigs are actually intelligent creatures. Besides them being used for food, some of them make good pets.

Here is the thing with pigs and the reason why they were dangerous to eat for so long. They had a worm that could be spread to humans via eating the flesh if the meat wasn't cooked enough. And it is ironic with all the claims of advance 'Islamic science' that they didn't know that! How come they didn't know that?

But in the USA our pig farmers have actually advanced so that they are not spreading that worm. We should still ensure the meat is cooked thoroughly, but we find that most of our problems have been with cows! And not only undercooking the cow, but also mad cow disease.

And the only reason why there is this rejection of pigs is due to their 'wannabee' status of hanging onto the Jewish religion (even though they hate the Jews too!).

Islam doesn't make sense, it is hateful - not the ones like Mr. Savage who recite passages from it. And it is all from a guy who even said that his god was a deceitful god and who practiced deceit himself and told his followers to be deceitful. How can anyone trust anything out of a 'religion' that teaches such things?!

"Last week I wrote a column titled “Uncompassionate Savage Treatment,” discussing talk radio host Dr. Michael Savage being denied entrance to the UK and the fact Savage, the man who coined the phrase “Compassionate Conservatism” in 1994, is being treated like a criminal by British Home Secretary Jacqui Smith and abandoned by Republican politicians constantly using his slogan for their own personal achievements"

I say:

The reason why the republicans are going against him is because of his criticism against the republican party as a corrupt party. By the way Mike Savage is not a republican, he is an independent.

"Smith, who is embroiled in MP scandals concerning spending public money for personal use (her husband’s adult pay-per-view movies were billed to the public), created more humiliation for British Parliament by alleging Michael Savage’s views on homosexuality, Islam and illegal immigration are extreme: Smith claims Savage is “someone who has fallen into the category of fomenting hatred, of such extreme views and expressing them in such a way that it is actually likely to cause inter-community tension or even violence if that person were allowed into the country.”

I say:

Mike Savage has no problem bringing someone on his show who has an opinion different from his and let them have their say. He even tries to have people who have criticized him come on to his show.

R_NOT
Pigs are used for skin gradts, to save lives. God made the pig first.ot man.
Jews still try to keep the Mosaic Law and no one has ever kept the Law. Pigs and camels are both no nos for Jews. Jehovah never told anyone but the Jews back then no pork or camel. Arabs were around before Hebrews but god never told them not to eat pork, just the Jews. Arabs could eat anything they wanted to just like the Egylptians. When Moses left Egypt many of the Egyptians and Nubians went with Moses Hebrewswere not the only ones who left Egypt. Moses married a Kushite. Miriam got mad and showed off but was punished. AraBS CAME BEFORE aBRAHAM, A MAN NAMED jOKTAN.

i GUESS lONDONSPIRIT TURNED TO BE AN INFIDEL AS ONLY THE RIGHT aRAB IS GOOD AND INNOCENT.

helloooo kabirloo
(not my bad english putting too much 'o')

***Seriously, I don’t like blowing my own trumpet because Allah SWT tells us to be humble and full of humility. But this is the second time you’ve made such a comment, Iignored it the first time you made it. But the impression of Muslims you have is far far away from the truth and you are misleading people.
I can write this in stone for you that my family probably pays more tax to the UK government***

what you gonna do on the third times, kill us?, who are you? al-fayed's balls licker

so you pay more tax, what a snob, arrogant cunt, thought your satan tells you to be humble, did you know brits tax used to kill muslim too, thanks for your contribution.

where the human rights of women getting stone to death(at least the right to die instantly instead torture to die), mr human rights lawyer

i was thinking you are respected lawyer, judging you, by calling people with foul language, my first impression of you is right, suit wearing goat standing on the pile of garbage, bblleeeet.
again my impression of muslim at least from above proven: fool, hypocrite, arrogance

Kabirlaw has in his ignorance of the actual meaning of the word maligned those who rightfully criticize Islam as “fascists”. For his benefit let me spell out the actual differences between fascists and freethinkers like myself.

Fascists are authoritarian, dictatorial control freaks who dictate every aspect of people’s lives. Under fascism people have no say in their personal lives. They have to bow to a superior authority or be punished or killed. They have to be blind thinkers or else.

Freethinkers are just that – free thinkers who believe that people should be the masters of their own destiny who should have the right to decide for themselves who they worship or even not worship, if they choose to. This is the Golden Rule. They are independent thinkers who refuse to accept views or teachings without adequate proof. They hate blind belief.

Now which one of the above sounds like Islam?

Fascists hate Jews and homosexuals and feel that they should all be exterminated.

Freethinkers regard them and all those of other harmless faiths as fellow humans and wish no harm to them provided they do not in return seek to harm others because their ideological teachings instruct them to.

Now which one of the above sounds like Islam?

Fascists hate free speech and believe nobody has a right to his own opinion. The only opinion they want to hear is their own authorized version. Books, writings, movies art, etc that criticize their ideology must be cast on the bonfire.

Freethinkers welcome free speech and the free exchange of ideas and open debates, provided there are no calls for the killing or blind hatred of others of opposing views. Freethinkers believe that the Quran is an evil book that promotes hatred but should not be banned but instead exposed and even mocked for what it really is. Most normal decent people are appalled when they read and really think about what the Quran actually teaches. It actually makes our case for us and damns itself with its very own words.

Now which one of the above sounds like Islam?

kabirlawless says

To: Mr All A Lone

I’m not going to demean myself by responding to a person who thinks the most stupidest thing he has ever heard in his insignificant life is the that the poles have 6 months day and 6 months night.

You sound hurt kid. Sorry if that hurt lad. Why am I to blame if Muslims are terrorists and you are poor little muslims who sucks the life blood out of Englad's economy by depending on welfare checks.

Oh no, Shafee, Kabirlawless is not ignorant, he is a big time lawyer in UK,. How dare you adress the big boss like that. He is extremely educated and can buy most of us with his pocket change. Beware for the Big guy might just buy us off!

Sorry, ibshar, Kabirlawless thinks that the zakat money he gives to his mosque (which gets from his welfare checks) is called tax in UK. Poor kid is confused and has made his own illusionary life, where he plays this big time lawyer with a superior ego.

To Shafee Al Zindig

You said:

Freethinkers are just that – free thinkers who believe that people should be the masters of their own destiny who should have the right to decide for themselves who they worship or even not worship, if they choose to. This is the Golden Rule. They are independent thinkers who refuse to accept views or teachings without adequate proof. They hate blind belief.

Ali Sina says in his Prologue to this site:

We don’t have to face another world war. We can stop this madness by eradicating Islam. We can love each other like members of one family and celebrate our diversity. We can build a better world for our children. We can sing the songs of unity together. We can make this world a paradise but we have to remove the false doctrines that divide mankind into “us” versus “them” and believers versus disbelievers first.

I Say:

So much for freedom of religion. Try something else next time.

To: Ibnsahr

I went on this site with the utmost respect for everyone and I resisted, at first, the abuse I received in return. I did not respond in a like manner. The abuse then escalated from swearing at the Prophet of Islam and his companions and followers to personal attacks on my own family. You can read the early posts if you don't believe me.

So when you go about calling me foul mouthed, big mouth, etc etc you should have this in mind. I'm only giving you a taste of your own medicine. You made the mistake of thinking that you would not get back better than what you dished out. Even then, my name-calling is not foul and sickening like yours and others on this site.

I'm only human.

To Ibrahim.

It's time for you to go back to the hills of Kashmir and start milking goats again. You intellectual blag is not pulling off here.

Kabirlaw,

You say:

If you’ve done your research and read the posts you will note who was the one to start name calling and who has been losing the argument one after the other. By the way, what specific debate are you refering to?

Me Say:

I've read all the above posts and cannot see who insulted you previous to your 1st comment. Now, I'm no enlightened academic like you so it may be I've simply missed it. If so, please show me and I will apologise. I agree, my comment can be interpreted as slightly vague regarding the debate at hand.
So, for the sake of clarirty, please accept that statement as a golden rule for ANY argument anyone in the history of the human race has ever had with people such as you. You start to lose - you start to sling mud!

Me say:

What will your reaction be once you have failed in your attempt to defeat Dr Sina?
Then again, perhaps I should put that another way as I already know your answer to this.

Hypothetically,
What will you do IF you cannot prove Ali Sina's allegations against Muhammad wrong?
Please note, should you wish to maintain any integrity on this site, you MUST answer that question without deflecting.

You say:
it’s not “idigenous” but indigenous. Sorry to disappoint but I wasn’t defending Britain for the want of people like you. You probably are far right, keeping it under cover are we. I don’t know of any credible mainstream party that is Islamophobic. At least have the courage to be honest and come out of the closet. Try finding out who is and who is not indigenous before you chat shite, you may be surprised. If you love Britain so much how many wars have you fought for it? It’s still at war! Then I’ll tell you my family’s contribution. Have we got a deal?

Me say:
XXXX.........can't......go........on. The xxxxxxx hit me where it hurts, my spelling........nooooooo!
Don't be childish, you just embarrass yourself. Would you prefer a spelling contest or a debate. Are you suggesting that people who do not aspire to your level of literacy skills are 2nd class citizens?
I'm probably Far Right am I? Dear God, it's the same old xxxx you hear over and over again from your breed. The very moment anybody declares themself to have national pride, identity with their cultural heritage or a long bloodline that ties him/her to their land, he or she is shouted down as a racist.
Are the people of Iraq racist for wanting the Allies out of their land?
Are the Native Americans racist's for wanting the American population to show some consideration to their plight?
Are the Spanish and Greek people racist for wanting those visiting their land to behave in a manner accustom to their way of living?
If the Answer is no, then why the hell should the I-N-D-I-G-E-N-O-U-S people of the U.K not be alllowed a voice to air their concerns of the decline of their culture they hold dear?
And if you really want to talk about Military history, I have absolutely no problem with this.
Grandad - Recce / SAS seargent Major under Sterling - served Africa, Italy
Grandad - Soldier before breakout of War, servd in India (forget who with)
Father - Para
Uncles x 2 Para's
Myself - Gestapo apparrently lol - cannot divulge., but lets just say I've lost a lot of weight and have a nice tan!
Seems completely childish but hey ho!

You say:
You’re not gonna get away with pleading ignorance. If you know this site and you still made the above comment, you probably should be writing with coloured crayons. But in a short cut kinda way I will say “The people on this site are trying to disprove the truth of Islam intelligently (supposedly), which includes philosophical, historical, legal and circumstantial arguments. I would call that academic, whether you are or not is a separate question but the answer is quite evident!

So your point is I'm not allowed an opinion if I'm not an academic?
In which case I refer you to my previous point you utter SNOB!
"All I can see is people eager to spread their opinion, a trait your Muslim brethren are not too fond of".

You say:
So next time, before you make the biggest clutch of assumptions and gather them into a bag of suppositions and throw it all into a quarry of subconscious prejudices and preconceived notions to throw at Kabirlaw, hold your horses because you may just get the biggest whack of your life.

Me Say:
What a load of bollocks!!!!! Get back to the student union SNOB!

You say:
Write only when you’re written to. Brits ought to have etiquette.

Me say:
Thank god we have you to remind us of that what with all your childish name calling.
And who invited you to speak on this debate prior to your 1st post?

BAD ETIQUETTE OLD CHAP!

Kabirlaw

You still don’t get it, do you? Freethinkers have views of their own – not blindly following others. They do not seek to impose their views on everybody else. They only seek to voice them and share them freely with others. Other people are then free to accept or reject these views. Since when did Ali Sina decree that everybody on this site must share all of his views as Muhammad decreed to his followers? We are not blind disciples of Ali Sina. Do you see us writing (PBUH) or (SWT) or any other honorific letters after we mention his name?

I rejected Islam years before I even heard of Ali Sina. This was after many years of soul-searching and study. I don’t necessarily agree or disagree with everything Ali Sina writes. This is what real freethinking is all about. You should try it yourself – who knows you might even learn something useful and join the human race.

PS: I see another Islamist lawyer Anjem Choudrey is busy preaching his hateful bile in Britain. I hope you and him are not the same person even if you both share the same view of Islam.

It’s time for you to go back to the hills of Kashmir and start milking goats again. You intellectual blag is not pulling off here.

Right after you move back to the filthy streets of Multan or Jhang or wherever from your father came to UK.
Paki.

kabirlaw
i understand your human reaction, i supposed we only human.
sir, im curious to hear it from you in relation to who you are with your specialism
1. about the women stone to death, as most of beliefs regarding this as barbaric, no other belief system as far as i know, punish the transgressor of their own script with their own hand in this century, as jesus says, any of you sinless cast the first stone. in what way it is not against the human right, why this practice happened
2. please explain how can the verse below is spoken by god, i understand it as narrator story, as he put god and gabriel as object in the story, why didn't god speaks as 'i', who is giving revelation?, gabriel, obviously gabriel is not talking
[66:4] If the two of you repent to GOD, then your hearts have listened. But if you band together against him, then GOD is his ally, and so is Gabriel and the righteous believers. Also, the angels are his helpers.

Wa'allah, ibnshar. You must be a big optimist to expect the biggest liar, sorry lawyer of UK to answer such an question.

Kabirlawless says

I’m only human.

A retarded human at that. Mashallah

To Dazza

I have a laugh cuz you people are quite something. But if you're serious, I mean really serious about an answer, then lets keep this simple, shall we, so that we can get to the crux of the matter.

Question 1. What is the problem you have with British Muslims?

Question 2. Is referring to them as "your kind" in the context in which you used before you even knew me, racist, Islamophobic or not?

Question 3. Is differentiating between people "as breeds" like in your last post by clumping them all together as in your preconceived notions of people holding particluar beliefs or being of a particluar race, racist or not?

You are racist no matter how much you try to hide that by marginalising the far right (your defensive tactic). You are clearly racist and this can be deciphered simply from the few brief exchanges we have had. So stop acting like you're not. However, on the other hand there is nothing wrong with wanting to keep your own cultural heritage and having a fondness for your own nation.

As for the other red herrings you threw up, American Indians etc The native Americans are actually the INDIGENOUS people of North America. So going by your logic they should not be asking to be simply recognised they should be asking their country to be turned back to what it was before the white man set foot on it. Oh yeah and add the Aborigines (Native Australians) to your list, dont you think they're also aghast at the changes to THEIR homeland the foreign white man has orchestrated?

Dear Ibnsahr

You said:

sir, im curious to hear it from you in relation to who you are with your specialism
1. about the women stone to death, as most of beliefs regarding this as barbaric, no other belief system as far as i know, punish the transgressor of their own script with their own hand in this century, as jesus says, any of you sinless cast the first stone. in what way it is not against the human right, why this practice happened

I Say:

A death penalty is horrific no matter what way you look at it. The taking of someone's life is a mighty decision and a weighty task. I have already explained that capital punishment is carried out in the US and other countries even today. Death by stoning is horrific and yes it is prescribed by Islam. First of all, I need to make clear that the death penalty for adultery is equally applicable to men and so it is misleading to refer to death by stoning only for women. Secondly, adultery is such a terrible sin that it destroys lives and families, I have explained in details previously. So Allah SWT has put a massive penalty as a punishment. However, having said that, the offence itself carries a very high standard of proof (you need four eye witnesses to the act of penetration itself) which in such an offence is very highly unlikely). Simply going by this standard, and many Islamic countries do not, there really should be nobody being convicted of this offence. Imagine, even if you were to barge in a hotel room on a couple who were having extra marital sex and both were naked, this is not sufficient evidence for adultery in Islamic law as four eye witnesses need to see the actual act of penetration. The punishment is so high because it is a deterrent. Likewise, the evidential burden is equally high. The only other way the penalty can be applied is if the person committing the offence confesses of his or her free will. Islam has a legal logic, in its approach, that it is better for a guilty man to go free rather than an innocent man to be penalised. I just hope that the Islamic countries can apply this correctly.

You then said:

2. please explain how can the verse below is spoken by god, i understand it as narrator story, as he put god and gabriel as object in the story, why didn’t god speaks as ‘i’, who is giving revelation?, gabriel, obviously gabriel is not talking
[66:4] If the two of you repent to GOD, then your hearts have listened. But if you band together against him, then GOD is his ally, and so is Gabriel and the righteous believers. Also, the angels are his helpers.

I Say:

It's very simple. "If you ibnsahr want Kabir to listen then all you have to do is show a little courtsey to Kabir."

Now, does that not make sense since it is Kabir who said those words in the first place. God spoke them to Gabriel and Gabriel transmitted them as he heard them.

I'll give you another example. I was watching the film Troy. Brad Pitt plays Archilles. He said to the Prince before he started the duel "The fool who thought he killed Archilles." Yet it was Archilles who was speaking the words himself.

I hope that answers your questions.

Basra, Iraq is the land of the Zenj, former slaves of Muslims slavers. Zenj are African slaves from East African brought to iraq to work the salt mines. Zenj ruled Iraq for 10 years after being treated so badly by Muslim. today, the Muslims Iraqi treat Afro-Iraqi so badly they are no allowed to Attend schoool, talk to Black soldiers. Black American soldier see how evil the Muslims treat Africans in Iraq they refused to join Islam.

Thank goodness they saw that Islam is not a black man's religion. How could allah respect black when he made fun of black people. allah said blacks are ugly, nappy headed, pug nosed abeeds. Allah is truly the DEVIL.

Still have the guts to open your big mouth eh Kebirilewd? Don't forget you still owe me an answer. When the hell are you gonna answer eh muslim?

To Shafee Al Zindig

You said:

You still don’t get it, do you? Freethinkers have views of their own – not blindly following others. They do not seek to impose their views on everybody else. They only seek to voice them and share them freely with others. Other people are then free to accept or reject these views. Since when did Ali Sina decree that everybody on this site must share all of his views as Muhammad decreed to his followers? We are not blind disciples of Ali Sina. Do you see us writing (PBUH) or (SWT) or any other honorific letters after we mention his name?

I say:

Look, I think you're the one who doesn't get it. I don't care what your views are, you can keep them and good luck to you and Ali Sina. If you cherish your own views so much, then allow Muslims the same privilege and tolerate their views. You can call it blind following , an educated guess, thoroughly reasearched stance or whatever. Your whole point is that people should be entitled to their own views. So, I believe that Allah SWT is the one true God, I believe that Muhammad SAW is a Prophet and messenger of God and that the Quran is divinely inspired. Why am I not allowed to hold these views and this belief? Judging by this website, people like Ali Sina do not respect the views or beliefs of Muslims.

Below are excerpts of what Ali Sina has written:

"This Muslim (I find the word "Muslim" very derogatory and insulting. It is synonymous to stupid, barbarian, thug, arrogant, brain dead, zombie, hooligan, goon, shameless, savage and many other ignoble things. I don't know whether this most disgusting word elicits the same meanings in you or not. So when I want to show my despise of someone I call him "Muslim". But because Muslims are stupid, they don't know all these things and they are proud of this name. This is a win/win situation because I insult them and they are happy and thank me for it. Isn't that smart?"

(Source: Debate with Muhammad Asadi as accessed on June 18, 2006)

As long as Muslims are Muslims they do not deserve to be treated in accordance to the Universal Declaration of Human Right"

(Source: Ibid, as accessed on June 18, 2006)

Send all the Muslims out of the West. They are all the same. Disgusting is a mild word. Don't be a follower, but a prophet unto your own.

(Source: Thread "Goodbye" as seen on June 18, 2006)

Yes I have proof and have proven that all the Muslims are evil to the degree that they follow Muhammad.

What message of peace you are spreading. YOu are fooling no one here. Isam does not have any message of peace. If indeed you spread the messag of peace that is not from Islam. I doubt you do because it is unbecomming for a Muslims to actually spread any love an unity among mankind. All you can do is spread hate through deciet.

Be specific. Tell me what you have done for peace and give addreass so we can verify. You are only dangerous creatures and nothing more. Filthy to the core. Evil in your hearts. Disgusting is your thoughts of hate. Satanic is your ethos. Barbaric is your conduct. You must be rounded up and sent to where you came from. Leave Islam or leave our country. This must become the slogan in all the Western countries.

It will be. As time passes and you will add to your terrorism, people including the stupid leftists will wake up and kick you out of their countries. Don't be a follower, but a prophet unto your own.

(Source: Thread: "Goodbye" as accessed on June 18, 2006)

"It is not an insult to say Muslims are not humans"

(Source: Ibid as accessed on June 18, 2006)

This explanation is absurd unless honey is a code name for what Muhammad drank from between the legs of Mariyah."

(Source: "Mariyah the sex slave of the holy Prophet" by Ali Sina, Edited on March 28, 2006.)

If any city in the West is nuked I am 100% for nuking tens of cities in Islamic countries. I don't see Muslims as innocent people. They are all guilty as sin. It is not necessary to be part of al Qaida to be guilty. If you are a Muslim you agree with Muhammad and that is enough evidence against you.

I Say:

So much for respecting others views, eh?

kabirlaw said: 'I went on this site with the utmost respect for everyone and I resisted, at first, the abuse I received in return. I did not respond in a like manner. The abuse then escalated from swearing at the Prophet of Islam and his companions and followers to personal attacks on my own family. You can read the early posts if you don’t believe me.'

You reap what you sow because I never called you a name and used foul language against you and you did indeed do that right off with me.

But, the contents of your responses are also what brings out a response that many do not agree with. And you are not able to handle that, and from what I have read of your posts I would suspect that once the usual excuses didn't work - the bashing started.

If someone, or if many people, disagree with you it doesn't mean you should start with excuses or foulness. Instead realize that maybe you are in a minority and people are not 'buying what you have to sell'. So what? It happens all the time.

With islam - most sane people won't buy it because of its message. And that is why it usually has to be carried by the sword - or violence, intimidation, terror. Muhammed knew this and that is why he carried on his killing and terror - and telling his followers to deceive others. He knew that his message was bunk, but Muhammed had a problem and wanted to be adored like a god which is why he set himself right along with the god he was creating (shirk). Right now you are using the other tactic that is used when all else fails - whining, or trying to set yourself up as a victim. It is all hogwash.

This big mouth is acting like he is a victim. Bah... Look at reality big mouth! Which religion that isn't respecting another views or even another sects? HHmmmmmmm... Why do you always playing like that heh? It's boring. Btw, my where is my answer?

mooo, What was your question?

I have never seen Muslims (usually on different threads) answer a question about islam if it meant that they would have to admit that it put islam, muslims, and especially muhammed in a bad light.

And it is easier to then deflect, ignore and in this case claim victimhood instead of answering any questions.

To R_NOT

Pooo is trying to make out that I have failed to answer a question or I have ran away. Don't fall for it. I have answered ALL his questions and he started getting agitated and calling names. Because of the lack of his intellectual capacity and the swearing I started ignoring him.

However, if he has any valid question to ask. tell him to ask it right here and right now and you be the judge. Fair?