Islam's Global War against Christianity
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By Patrick Poole
From Nigeria to Indonesia, Christians are under siege in virtually every single country in the Muslim world, the victims of countless acts of discrimination, depredation, brutality, and murder that are so widespread and systematic that it can rightfully be called the new Holocaust. This time, however, the perpetrators of this Holocaust aren't wearing swastikas, but kufi skull caps and hijabs.
Some of the oldest Christian communities in the world are subject to relentless attack and teeter on the brink of extinction at the hands of the "Religion of Peace": Palestinian Christians in Gaza and the West Bank; Assyrian, Syriac and Chaldean Christians in Iraq; Coptic Christians in Egypt; Evangelical and Orthodox Christians in Eastern Ethiopia and Eritrea; Armenian Orthodox Christians in Turkey; and Maronite Christians in Lebanon.
Several of these communities date back to the beginning decades of Christianity and all have weathered wave after wave of Islamic persecution for centuries and more, but in the very near future some will simply cease to exist. In our lifetime, the only trace of their past existence will be in footnotes in history books (and probably only Western history books at that).
Meanwhile, we in the West hear much from radical Islam's apologists how the US is engaged in a war against Islam citing of our military actions in Afghanistan and Iraq. We are lectured on the inviolability of the Muslim ummah and justifications of defensive jihad.
But an extensive search this past weekend of the websites of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Islamic Society of North America, the Islamic Circle of North America, the Muslim American Society, the Muslim Student Association, the Fiqh Council of North America, and the Muslim Public Affairs Committee - the most visible institutional representatives of Islam in America - found not a single mention or reference of the religious persecution of Christians by their Islamic co-religionists, thereby making them tacit co-conspirators in the Final Solution to the Christian problem in the Muslim world.
The global war on Christianity by Islam is so massive in size and scope that it is virtually impossible to describe without trivializing it. Inspired by Muslim Brotherhood ideology and fueled by billions of Wahhabi petrodollars, the religious cleansing of Christians from the Muslim world is continuing at a break-neck pace, as the following recent examples demonstrate.
Iraq: In the current issue of the American Spectator, Doug Bandow observes that centuries of dhimmitude have left Christians in the war-torn country without any means of self-defense. Washington policymakers have refused to lend assistance for fear of showing partiality, despite the murder of hundreds of Iraqi Christians, the kidnapping and torture of Christian clerics, the repeated bombings of Christian churches, the torching of Christian businesses, and the flight of close to half of the entire Iraqi Christian population since April 2003. Those who remain have been subject to the imposition of shari'a by the Shi'ite Mahdi Army and Sunni militias (al-Qaeda doesn't bother with such niceties, preferring to murder them immediately instead), including the recent published threat in Mosul of killing one member of every Christian family in that city for Christian women not wearing the hijab and continuing to attend school. (Be sure to remember that the next time an Islamist apologist claims that the hijab is a symbol of women's liberation.)
Egypt: Journalist Magdi Khalil chronicles in a new report ("Another Black Friday for the Coptic Christians of Egypt") the campaign of violence directed against Christian Copts almost weekly immediately following Friday afternoon Muslim prayers. Inspired by Islamist imams preaching religious hatred in mosques all over the country and protected by government officials willing to look the other way, rampaging mobs of Muslims set upon Christians churches, businesses and individuals, from Alexandria to cities all the way up the Nile. Coptic holy days are also favorite times for Muslim violence, which the Egyptian media likes to describe as "sectarian strife" - as if it were actually a two-sided affair.
Gaza: Ethel Fenig recently noted here at American Thinker ("More Gaza Multiculturalism") the systematic destruction of churches and desecration of Christian religious objects by Jihadia Salafiya following the HAMAS takeover of the Gaza Strip from their Fatah rivals and the imposition of Islamic rule. The head of Jihadia Salafiya told reporter Aaron Klein that any suspected Christian missionary activity in the area will be "dealt with harshly". (Ynet News)
Saudi Arabia: According to the Arab News, a Sri Lankan Christian man barely escaped with his life in late May when he was found working in the city of Mecca, Islam's holiest city, which is officially barred to non-Muslims. In December, an Indian man had been sentenced to death for accidentally entering the city, but was spared after the Indian embassy made an urgent appeal to the Saudi Supreme Court.
Pakistan: In Islamabad, Younis Masih was sentenced last month to death under the country's frequently invoked blasphemy laws, which were also used against six Christian women suspended from a nursing school after they were accused of desecrating a Quran. And as protests against Salman Rushdie's knighthood raged, a Muslim mob armed with guns, axes and sticks attacked Christians worshipping in a Salvation Army church in Bismillahlpur Kanthan. (Associated Press; United Press International; Mission News Network)
Bangladesh: Almost a dozen Christian converts in the Nilphamari district were beaten last week by Muslim villagers wielding bricks and clubs, and threatened with death if they did not leave town immediately. Local hospitals subsequently refused them treatment. Christians in the area have also been prevented from using the only potable water well in the area after a pronouncement by religious authorities at the mosque in Durbachari. This came after 42 former Muslims were baptized as Christians in the local river on June 12. (Compass News Direct)
Malaysia: Government authorities demolished a church building on June 4th in Orang Asli settlement in Gua Musang in Ulu Kelantan, despite prior government approval of the project. The church was built on donated property after the entire village had converted to Christianity just a few months ago. Also in late May, the Malaysian high court ruled that Muslims who convert to Christianity must appeal to the religious shari'a courts to officially be deregistered as Muslims and reregistered as a Christians. (Journal Chretien; Associated Press)
Indonesia: Agence France Presse reported last month on an attack by the Islamic Anti-Apostate Movement, who stormed a church service in a Protestant church in the West Java town of Soreang. The AFP report notes that more than 30 churches have been forced to close in West Java and dozens more throughout the country in recent years due to Muslim violence, churches which were among the few spared during the outbreak of hostilities during 1997-1998, where hundreds of Christian churches were burned to the ground and never rebuilt.
Turkey: The Christian community is still reeling from the torture and ritual slaughter of three Protestants at a Christian publishing house in Malatya in April by an armed Islamist gang, which was preceded by the murder last year of Catholic priest Andrea Santoro in Trabzon and the assassination of Armenian journalist Hrant Dink in Istanbul in January. An additional six men allegedly associated with the same Muslim gang were arrested on May 30th for plotting an attack on a Christian pastor in Diyarbakir. (Lebanon Daily Star; ADKNI)
Cyprus: The Cyprus Mail reports that during a meeting last month in Rome the Archbishop of the Cypriot Greek Orthodox Church pleaded with the Vatican Secretary of State for the Pope's assistance to pressure Turkish authorities in restoring and repairing Christian sites and churches in areas occupied since the invasion of the island nation by Turkey in July 1974 and the ethnic cleansing of 160,000 Greek Christian Cypriots.
Lebanon: More than 60,000 Christians have left the country since last summer's war between Hezbollah and Israel, fearing the rise of both Sunni and Shi'ite extremism and terrorist activity. The Sunday Telegraph recently revealed the results of a poll finding that at least half of Lebanon's Maronite community were considering leaving the country. More than 100,000 have already submitted visa applications at foreign embassies.
Algeria: In what is considered one of the more "moderate" Muslim regimes, Al-Quds Al-Arabi announced that the Algerian government has just issued regulations requiring advance permission for non-Muslim public events, following a 2006 law aimed at limiting Christian evangelism in the Kabylia region and the Sahara. (MEMRI )
Morocco: In the country that The Economist magazine in 2005 anointed "the best Arab democracy", all Moroccans are considered Muslims at birth and face three years in prison if they attempt to convert. They are also prohibited from entering any of the few churches permitted to operate for the foreign inhabitants of the country. Moroccan Christians must operate covertly for fear of imprisonment by the government and attacks by Islamists. They cannot bury their dead in Christian cemeteries, and they must be married by Islamic authorities or face charges of adultery. Late last year, a 64 year-old German tourist, Sadek Noshi Yassa, was sentenced to six months in jail and fined for missionary activity. (Journal Chretien)
Nigeria: Police in Gombe arrested sixteen suspects after a Muslim mob stoned, stripped, beat, and finally stabbed to death a Christian teacher, Christiana Oluwatoyin Oluwasesin, after she caught a student cheating on an exam in March. Her body was then burned beyond recognition by the mob who falsely accused her of desecrating a Quran. The suspects were released last month without any charges being filed, prompting Christian leaders to accuse government authorities of a cover-up and raising concerns about additional attacks. (Christian Today)
Eritrea: Just a few weeks ago, the Islamic government installed a new Orthodox Patriarch after they removed the previous Patriarch and placed him under house arrest for no stated reason. Compass News Direct reported in February the death of Magos Solomon Semere, a Christian who had been imprisoned in a military jail for four and a half years for illegal Christian worship, the third Christian to die in government custody since October. Authorities have also cracked down on unapproved churches, jailing at least two thousand Protestants and members of the Medhane Alem Orthodox renewal movement since the beginning of the year and publicly burning confiscated Bibles. (Christian Post; Compass News Direct ; Journal Chretien)
It is not an exaggeration to say that I could extend this brief list ad infinitum with additional Islamic countries and news items from just the past few weeks' worth of incidents of violence, discrimination, intimidation and murder targeting Christians in the Muslim world. In many instances, the government and religious authorities in these Muslim countries work hand-in-hand in their campaign of religious persecution.
A scene in the Academy Award-winning movie Schindler's List gives us some insight into what is happening all across the Muslim world with respect to Christianity. As the SS Commandant Amon Göth and his Nazi Stormtroopers prepare to liquidate the Jewish ghetto in Krakow, Poland, Göth (played in the movie by Ralph Fiennes) gives his men a peptalk:
For six centuries there has been a Jewish Krakow. Think about that. By this evening, those six centuries are a rumor. They never happened. Today is history.
This scene is being repeated in the Friday sermons in mosques and on Islamic satellite TV all over the world, only this time it is the Christians in addition to the Jews who are targets. Great efforts are being made to make the two-thousand year history of Christianity in North Africa, the Middle East and Southeast Asia a blasphemous rumor. Soon students in Turkey will be taught that the Hagia Sophia, the greatest architectural structure in the Muslim world, wasn't built by the Christian Emperor Justinian in the Sixth Century, but by the Sultan Mehmed II a thousand years later after the Ottomans seized the Byzantine capital. That Christians lived at all in the Muslim world, let alone that much of the territory occupied by Muslims used to be Christian lands before the Islamic Wars of Conquest, will be nothing but a rumor by the end of this century punishable according to the precepts of shari'a.
President Bush announced last week that he will be sending a special envoy to the 57-member Organization of Islamic Countries. Hopefully, the systematic persecution of Christians and other religious minorities will be the first and primary item in the new envoy's portfolio, with the 2007 annual report of the US Commission on International Religious Freedom and the State Department's Annual Report on International Religious Freedom, which name virtually every single country in the OIC for its human rights abuses and religious cleansing, as evidence for our country's concern.
The fact remains that not a single Christian or Jew lives in peace in the Muslim world, and if it is truly our nation's foreign policy to spread democracy around the world, this issue is the perfect topic for us to press. Back at home, raising Islam's global war on Christianity should be the immediate response to the seemingly endless media grievance machine of radical Islam's Western apologists. Until they begin to address the new Holocaust perpetrated in the name of Islam, their complaints and denials are nothing but bald hypocrisy.
Shitty moslems are always at
Shitty moslems are always at war with anyone and every one.That's the simlest way of islam.Be at war and kill one an dall till there is peace. The peace of islam comes only after killinmg every person on earth including the crap moslems.Shias look at sunnis as kafirs, sunnis look at all the sects of islam as kafirs.All moslems of all sects look at non moslems as kafirs.teh list goes on.
Islam is a byproduct of
Islam is a byproduct of Christianity as Christianity is a by product of Judaism ( belief system). They have to stick to their root ideology ; which is peace : Peace as defined by their Prophets. If the end result is killing ,raping and destroying ,who are to be blamed except their own Prophets and theologies??
On the other hand if you look at Buddhism, Jainism and all the other byproducts of Hinduism ( the Vedic way of life) they also have the same root called Peace ; but that Peace is never defined by any so called prophet/s. No Hindu, Buddhist and Jain has ever gone out of their way to kill people to convert them to their own religion as the Christians and the Muslims have done or are doing till now for political gain never for any thing spritual .
Very good thing if the Muslims are killing the Christians and vise versa , the present day world will be a better place without these two evil, vile killing Cults.
I always ask Muslims in the
I always ask Muslims in the cities if they plan to do this horrible massacre and they always say no. I dont trust them, They are now building enclaves of MUS ONLY housing in cities. If the members of our society dont wake up, these humans of the lowest degree will destroy all we have produced.
I forsee, churches burned down in cities and replaced with a mosque. If Chrsitian are not allowed to do the same under Islam, then all of them need to return to their holy places. SEND THEM HOME AND LET ALLAH EDUCATE THEM.
iF PRESIDENT OBAMA DOESNT SEE WHAT THE ISLAMIC LEADERS ARE DOING TO WOMEN WHO LOOK LIKE HIS GIRLS AND HIS WIFE, IS HE BLIND OR IN AGREEMENT.
One in nine Christians are
One in nine Christians are living in persecution in the world. The majority of them are in Islamic countries.
Western Nations have allowed Christians to be sacrificed as collateral damage in their appeasement of the drooling Islamic neanderthals, eg Orthodox Serbs in Kosovo, the slander and demonising of Serbs while ignoring the atrocities of the Islamic Albanians and Kosovans.
We have been at the mercy of our leaders, academia and media for information; not any longer - the internet has changed that. Now, we must be their voice for justice.
But do we have the stomach for the ensuing violence and war that will occur. Well, we'd better, because it will happen, whether now or later, it will happen because that is Islam's only purpose.
I don't understand what the
I don't understand what the Christians particularly American Christians are crying about ? They are the root cause of most Islamic evils and terrorism.
The American Christian Dogs helped and financed the Paki Islamic Pigs against Indians during 1971 Indo/Pack/Bangladesh war.
The American Christian Dogs Financed, Armed and Groomed the Islamic Jihadi Pakistanis ( Who are the present day Taliban and Al'qaeda ) against Soviets in Afghanistan and Indians in Kashmir.
Now if the same Islamic Pigs are killing the American Christians all over the world why CRY FOUL????
Just put the Christian Cross up your own Christian ars and cry " Hallelujah ".
AOOOOZ Muslims murdered the
AOOOOZ
Muslims murdered the Coptic Christians in Egypt, in what is now Iraq and Iran, as well as in other middle eastern lands, during the first century of islam. They have never stopped mudering, torturing, stealing from and lying to Christians ever since. Of course your muslim history books and clerics only mention, in distorted fashion, the last ten years of events which they think you might have some awareness of. They know that you, a muslim, will have no other knowlege of history, since it has been stadard muslim policy to keep the vast muslim public uneducated and ignorant. That is how they control you and use you to commit the attrocities they want done. You believe their falsehoods and distortions of history because of the intellectual vacuum that you were raised in, a vacuum your muslim leaders intentionally created.
Instead of leting MUST-APES
Instead of leting MUST-APES entering civlized countries, why don´t we slaughter their ape´s necks and bring the remaining human being survivors from this Holocaust to our countries?
@6 average american They know
@6 average american
They know that you, a muslim, will have no other knowlege of history, since it has been stadard muslim policy to keep the vast muslim public uneducated and ignorant.
But the americans were not uneducated they helped the muslims to attack kashmir with tax payers money.
this article doesn't surprise
this article doesn't surprise me. it's not only christians, its kashmiri pandits, its jews, its sikhs, its shia vs sunni.
these animal kingdom was set up to destory human civilization
Excellent article.
Excellent article.
When Clinton decided to send
When Clinton decided to send US troops into the Balkans, the media told us of all the horrors that the Serbs were doing to the Croats etc. Many knew that the media was biased, but not to the extent that we know of today. They described the Serbs as modern day Nazis (socialists), which is a reprehensible affront to everything the NT tells us. The NT tells the Church to cleans itself of sin before speaking against the actions of others. Naturally, Christians thought the Serbs should be dealt with because of the atrocities reported, as they are called christians (whether they are or are not). Christians understand that no such sin should done by those who call themselves christian.
Now I seriously wonder how much were we lied to about the Serbs and their situation? Such atrocities are sin, no matter what. The scriptures do not say "This is sin IF the victim is this or that type of believer or unbeliever, and not a sin otherwise". That kind of relative "justice" is what islam teaches, not the Bible which has a consistant set of moral codes for human to human relationships.
Most publicly supported angst has some background, whether religious or historical. I tend to think that there is a strong historical background for all the anger in the Balkans just as there is in all the middle east, Kashmir, and many other places, that most americans are kept in the dark about. We hear only the marxist/muslim propaganda, that is history reinvented. History becomes whatever marxists and muslims want it to be to get the reactions that they want from whatever group they are targeting for action. Karl Marx did this repeatedly, mo did it, and so do their followers today. Should we have tried more diplomacy in the Balkans before sending in troops? I hate to say that maybe that is why the rest of europe did not want to get involved. They never want to get involved no matter what the circumstances, which has lead to too many escalations in conflicts until they spill over onto everyone else.
It is interesting how marxists and muslim radicals are so closely intertwined. Marxists are scheming that they can use muslim fanatacism (as if they could control it), and muslims use any acquiescence they can get ahold of to advance their jihad. They are mutually disturbed thinkers.
Even as i write i know there
Even as i write i know there will be many injustices around the world not only to Christians, but EVERY religion in this world that Islam sees as threats to them. They want to control their woman, torture them with so much hyped up rhetoric, they infiltrate every facet of Europe and now demand they also have mosques etc yet if anyone tries to have any church,temple in Muslim countries we mat be beheaded!!
I can only hope that the Europeans realise this and put an immediate stop to their wishes, yes they can pray but no nonsense with Europe systems even if its christian based!!! if the muslims dont like it they can leave!!!!
I can only appeal to all of you out there to be VERY vigilant and pls do not let them control yr country!! for the love of god these muslims will one day kill you with not even a conscience,,,thats what the koran has written and they will do it for they seek "heaven" if they do this.
Pls dont be fooled, i am witness to their atrocities and forceful conversions even babies!!!!!!!!
Halalpork786 said: "Very good
Halalpork786 said:
"Very good thing if the Muslims are killing the Christians and vise versa , the present day world will be a better place without these two evil, vile killing Cults."
Do any of you realize that Judeo-Christian values are the foundations of modern liberalism? That liberalism was a movement that came from Christianity? Every group of people has their bad apples. To constantly paint Christians in this way because of a few is pathetic. You want to be seen as tolerant and yet to resort to these abysmally vicious clichés?
Christians do a lot of good work all over the world. More charity work than all the Hindus in the world combined. Christians do more public service, feed more of the poor, work in more developing countries and provide rehab and other outreach services than the Hindus ever will. So why do you hate them? Don’t like the competition? Maybe you pick on them because they don’t fight back. Maybe you hate them because they set a better example than you. Show some respect for their good works. If you don’t agree with their religion, find a better target. One that deserves it."
Realise the judeo christian
Realise the judeo christian values????? Rape, burn,kill etc are all the values of liberalism!
Now now we are talking aren't we?
Christians do all the public service and work in developing countries??? My my such an attitude problem you have,
You can take the christian values, missionaries and bible together and shove it where the sun does not shine.Do you know where?
We are not in the sick businesss of conversion.that is a disease of only christians and moslems the two evils of the world.
Just becaus e the islam is being criticised does not mean that the bible is not evil.
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#13 Grandeur88, There is no
#13 Grandeur88,
There is no free lunch. The ultimate aim of Christians in doing charity work among non-Christians in developing countries is to convert them to Christianity. At least in India I know they don't do any help to poor Christians. Once converted into Christianity, their condition become worse. These so called 'low caste' peoplle will have their own church, dark-skinned priest and they will not be allowed to enter into the churches of original 'orthodox' Churches, these halpess people cannot even think of getting married from 'upper caste' Christians. And you speak of Christian charity!!!
Hinduism (the real name of this religion is Sanatana Dharma) is purely a personal religion. A hindu has full freedom to believe or not to believe in its scriptures, rituals, etc. he can even abandon his religion and be an atheist and still live in society with diginity.
#13. grandeur88 Says: Well
#13. grandeur88 Says: Well in Hindi this fools ID can be pronounced --Guess--
" GandAur 69 " well the number 69 represents this Christian better not 88 ( don't read it like Kamunna)
number 6 and 9 are complimentary to each other. This Christian said
"Christians do more public service, feed more of the poor, work in more developing countries and provide rehab and other outreach services than the Hindus ever will. So why do you hate them?"
Problem with the Christians is , they want to serve the poor the destitute as Mother fkr Teresa was doing ( fkr means Fakir, in Urdu means a mendicant) Christianity can never teach any one; how to eradicate Poverty totally so that no one suffers.
Thing is they the Christian missionaries need poor people , destitute and orphans as many as possible to serve so that they can prove to the whole world how great Christianity is.
So the bastards went out of their way to colonize most part of the world to create as much misery and poverty as possible so that they can serve the poor to achieve Christian heaven. And now their brethren Muslim pigs are following the same path.
First create the disease and then distribute the medicine. That's the noble way of the Cultists like Christians and the Muslims.
That's the reason why Christianity and Islam are against birth control. More orphans more destitute : Christians can flaunt their Charity Muslim pigs can give Jakat.
Why do Muslims and Hindu
Why do Muslims and Hindu blame America for stuff that was done before there was an ameerica.
You accept the material goods from the West and then attack it. Well as a person whose tax money was used to help Muslims and Hindus, I say enough is enough. Continue to fight each other like you have done for 1000 yrs. I say take care of your own. Hindus know that Muslims attacked you and killed 80 million Hindus and the Brits didnt do that. Brits didnt go to India for religion, but trade. Islam came for both. Christendom is the one who abused you but you allowed it because you both are racist. Islam hates blacks and so do the Hindus. Christendom accepted slavery as a right of passage from Islamic laws and the Hindus treated Africans so bad they were too bad for the Untouchable class. Now the untouchables were the worst class of Hinduism. What god hates people for being born. Islam said that crap. Is this where Muhammad got his idea of Africans being created to be slaves to allah since allah is a Hindu sankrit word for god and not a real name.
In America one can change his religion or not be of any religion. No one cares. Girls are not stoned if raped. Priests are sent to jail and the Catholic church is sued and made pay big time. #15 sorry that is happening in India, but that is christendom not Christianity. Jesus said all people are god's people. Slavery has been around for a long time. Since Pharoah was a Muslim according to the Quran, the Egyptians were slavers of Jews and Nubians of East Africa. Look at the pyramids and see the dark skinned people were the slaves.
#15 Kaalan, Now you blamed
#15 Kaalan,
Now you blamed Christianity for the Caste system? Please remind me who invented the Caste System in the first place?
Here's some facts:
- The Hindu system of varnas identified four varnas in Indian society. The term varna is sometimes used synonymously with "caste" or "class".
- The varna system transformed into a rigid caste system, preventing the 'lower' classes (also called 'backward-caste') from rising.
- As a result, Dalits (untouchables) were commonly banned from fully participating in Hindu religious life (they could not pray with the rest of the social classes or enter the religious establishments).
- Dalit Christians make up 70% of India's Christian population.
- Then Hindus who converted to Christianity typically retained their social customs, including caste practices.
- Some Indian Christians have retained Hindu customs and practices, and have combined Hindu customs with Christianity to achieve a unique brand of Indian Christianity.
Also you mention this:
"A Hindu has full freedom to believe or not to believe in its scriptures, rituals, etc. he can even abandon his religion and be an atheist and still live in society with diginity."
What an utter nonsense!!! Tell that to the widows that you've had burnt in the barbaric ritual called Sati.
( Sati was a funeral practice among some Hindu communities in which a recently-widowed woman would either voluntarily or by use of force and coercion immolate herself on her husband’s funeral pyre. This practice is now very rare and outlawed in modern India ).
Justifications for the practice are given in the Vishnu Smriti.
"Now the duties of a woman (are) ... After the death of her husband, to preserve her chastity, or to ascend the pile after him."
The Puranas have examples of women who commit sati and there are suggestions in them that this was considered desirable or praiseworthy: A wife who dies in the company of her husband shall remain in heaven as many years as there are hairs on his person. (Garuda Purana 1.107.29) According to 2.4.93 she stays with her husband in heaven during the rule of 14 Indras, i.e. a kalpa.
Now here's some eye opener:
What the first thing the Portuguese do when they arrived in India?
They tried early on to override local customs and practices, including sati, as they attempted to spread Christianity throughout the territories in their control.
What contribution has Christianity given to Hinduism?
Many Christian ideals prompted reform movements within the Hindu society in the 19th century, the most notable being the Brahmo Samaj, which was influenced by British Christian Unitarianism.
Please do some research before you talk rubbish.
#18 Tell that to the widows
#18
Tell that to the widows that you’ve had burnt in the barbaric ritual called Sati.
No such thing exists in hindu scriptures recommending or forcing widows to die.
This silly post is a copy paste with references that doesnt exist.
Many Christian ideals prompted reform movements within the Hindu society.
Lol ideals like inquisition?
What the first thing the Portuguese do when they arrived in India?
read it all http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=111...
Christian ideals..What a moron.
Sati was a later practice
Sati was a later practice that came to be adopted by women of rajasthan area that bore the brunt of muslim barbarians raping and taking the women as slaves.
The vedas doesnt prescribe any such thing
Rig Veda (10.18.8) - “Rise, woman, and go to the world of living beings: Come, this man near whom you lie is dead: You have enjoyed this state of being the wife of your husband, the suitor who took you by the hand.”
@rationalt you right
@rationalt
you right brother.
There in no metion in the holy scriptures which advocates Sati. On the contrary it was the social enviornment created by the muzzle-ems which forced these enslaved women either to burn themsleves or go to the the fxxx-factories(HARAMS) of the Muzzle-ems.
#rationalt "Christian
#rationalt
"Christian ideals..What a moron."
By resorting to Argumentum Ad Hominem surely describe how intelligent and tolerant you are as a person. Now let's analyze how "Intelligent" your argument are:
"This silly post is a copy paste with references that doesnt exist."
So basically you're saying that The Purana (group of important Hindu (or Jain and Buddhist) religious texts, notably consisting of narratives of the history of the Universe from creation to destruction, genealogies of the kings, heroes, sages, and demigods, and descriptions of Hindu cosmology, philosophy, and geography.) doesn't exist???
And that Visnu Smirti (main a collection of ancient aphorisms on the sacred laws of India, and as such it ranks with the other ancient works of this class which have come down to our time) also doesn't exist???
Here's some important links for you to study:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/sbe07/
http://www.bharatadesam.com/scriptures/puranas.php
"Sati was a later practice that came to be adopted by women of rajasthan area that bore the brunt of muslim barbarians raping and taking the women as slaves."
What a blatant lies!!! Widow burning, the practice as understood today, started to become more extensive after the end of the Gupta empire(550 AD). At about this time, instances of sati began to be marked by inscribed memorial stones.
That centuries before the Islamic Invasion into India (738 AD).
"The vedas doesnt prescribe any such thing"
Really? then please kindly explain these passage, I quoted it from your beloved Vedas:
इमा नारीरविधवाः सुपत्नीराञ्जनेन सर्पिषा संविशन्तु |
अनश्रवो.अनमीवाः सुरत्ना आ रोहन्तु जनयोयोनिमग्रे || (Rig Veda 10.18.7)
"Let these women, whose husbands are worthy and are living, enter the house with ghee (applied) as collyrium (to their eyes). Let these wives first step into the pyre, tearless without any affliction and well adorned."
"Let your religion be less of a theory and more of a love affair."
- Gilbert K. Chesterton
I have had enough affairs
I have had enough affairs with christian and moslem girls and am keen to learn their unholy books!
# 22 "grandAur69" The
# 22 "grandAur69" The Christian cretin-- is talking and quoting from the history books.
Christian cretins should ask their great grand fathers ( Gand Fathers)" How many helpless women they burned forcibly , branding those helpless women as " WITCHES " . Withch hunting is/was a Christian pass time.
Witches, the worshipers of Devil Were/Are hunted by pious Christians as a pass time. Some one to become a Pope: had to burn many witches to prove himself qualified enough to become a Pope. Gand Aur69 has left some portions while copy/pasting ( Must be a regular Christian rabid dog) the following lines .
"" इमा नारीरविधवाः सुपत्नीराञ्जनेन सर्पिषा संविशन्तु |
अनश्रवो.अनमीवाः सुरत्ना आ रोहन्तु जनयोयोनिमग्रे || (RV 10.18.7)
Let these women, whose husbands are worthy and are living, enter the house with ghee (applied) as collyrium (to their eyes). Let these wives first step into the pyre, tearless without any affliction and well adorned.[28]
The text does not mention widowhood, and other translations differ in their translation of the word here rendered as 'pyre' (yoni, literally "seat, abode"; Griffith has "first let the dames go up to where he lieth"). In addition, the following verse, which is unambiguously about widows, then contradicts any suggestion of the woman's death; it explicitly states that the widow should return to her house.
उदीर्ष्व नार्यभि जीवलोकं गतासुमेतमुप शेष एहि |
हस्तग्राभस्य दिधिषोस्तवेदं पत्युर्जनित्वमभि सम्बभूथ || (RV 10.18.8)
Rise, come unto the world of life, O woman — come, he is lifeless by whose side thou liest. Wifehood with this thy husband was thy portion, who took thy hand and wooed thee as a lover.[29]
A reason given for the discrepancy in translation and interpretation of verse 10.18.7, is that one consonant in a word that meant house, yonim agree "foremost to the yoni", was deliberately changed by those who wished claim scriptural justification, to a word that meant fire, yomiagne.[30] ""
I doubt if the Gandu Christian can read Devnagri ??Rabid Christian Dog Ha Ha Ha
""Various forms of witchcraft and divination are mentioned in the Bible, generally with a disapproving tone. The masoretic text of the torah forbids:
* nahash[1][2]; as a noun, nahash translates as snake, and as a verb it literally translates as hissing. The verb form can be extended to mean whispering, so it has historically been understood to refer to enchantment.
* onan[3][4]; onan literally translates as clouds, possibly referring to nephomancy. Some translations take this as an allusion to bird flocks, and therefore translate it as augury.""
"" 1227: Pope Gregory IX established the Inquisitional Courts to arrest, try, convict and execute heretics.
bullet 1252: Pope Innocent III authorized the use of torture during inquisitional trials. This greatly increased the conviction rate.
bullet 1258: Pope Alexander IV instructed the Inquisition to confine their investigations to cases of heresy. They were to not investigate charges of divination or sorcery unless heresy was also involved.
bullet 1265: Pope Clement IV reaffirms the use of torture.
bullet 1326: The Church authorized the Inquisition to investigate Witchcraft and to develop "demonology," the theory of the diabolic origin of Witchcraft. 1
bullet 1330: The popular concept of Witches as evil sorcerers is expanded to include belief that they swore allegiance to Satan, had sexual relations with the Devil, kidnapped and ate children, etc.""
Very funny present day Christian cretins living in the middle age mindset pointing finger at SATI .
#22, what i wrote about
#22, what i wrote about hinduism is not based on book knowledge; it is from my experience. I was born in a hindu family; in my youth I loved socialism, communism, agnonistism progressively and finally atheism. During those days I along with my friends attended meetings proclaimed loudly "There is no God" for all to hear; nothing happened, everybody seem to agree with us.(unimaginable thing for Muslims) Somewhere along the timescale I happened to read a book 'Autobiography of a Yogi by Sri Sri Paramahansa Yoganands and it changed the course of my life for the better.
Unlike Muslims who have thousands and thousands of madrassas to teach/learn Islam/Quran and Christians who have Sunday schools to learn/teach Bible, hindus in India have no such facility to teach/learn Hinduism. 99.9% hindus in India do not know even the name of their religion which is Sanatana Dharma, let alone Vedas, Vedantas, sastras, etc. and they get secular education in ordinary schools with the result they are almost completely secular. Ask a graduate about Vedas.. he can't answer, at the same he can talk about any other subject under the sun.
Under the circumstance, even if what you have quoted from Vedas are correct, it is irrelevant for hindus across the world at present times. It is in this context that I wrote what I wrote. Any man is welcome to enlighten hindus with new ideas; if it is found good hindus will accept it. For example it was during the time of Lord Krishna, that an atheist came and preached there is no God, it was a new idea for people then so they accepted him as a saint and worshipped him along with their Lord. Hinduism didn't, doesn't and will never turn its back to new ideas, knowledge.
As regards 'varna' or 'caste' it originally started for the good of people but during the course of time it got corrupted and the result was 'untouchability'. It is simply a matter of 'power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely." It is the polititians that stands in the way of enlightenment of poor people; they want poor people stay poor and uneducated so that polititians can dictate terms for the sake of votes. You see, it is democracy in India.
The simple question is how
The simple question is how many widows are being burnt????? may be 2 or 3 at th e most by ignorant people and they have been dealt with properly
How many little girls are being raped by molsmes.Plenty and what's being done? Nothing as teh dhimmi people al around the world are quietly watching the little girls being raped by moslems.
How many christians are pelting the adulterers with stones? None because not any one believes in the asinintiy of bible any more.
# 25. Kaalan Says: ""As
# 25. Kaalan Says:
""As regards ‘varna’ or ‘caste’ it originally started for the good of people but during the course of time it got corrupted and the result was ‘untouchability’.----they want poor people stay poor and uneducated so that politicians can dictate terms--- ""
How right you are, thing is Cults like Islam and Christianity are nothing but Political Agendas, Those Cults have nothing to do with Religion or Enlightenment. They follow some Book like Qu'rand or Bible ( new testicles or old testicles) and they think Hindus of India must be doing the same thing ( Following some Book) . Mind it all believers are blind Fanatics hence murderous lunatics. Fanatic Lunatic Blind Believers of Qu'rand or old/new testicls are slaves of their masters: who are petty politicians.
You said "‘power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
But the fact is Power Corrupts only those who are Corruptible and all Fanatic Lunatic Blind Believers of Qu'rand ,Allah Dalla ,Bible with Old/New testicles are Corruptible.
There is no single book for the Hindus of India: which is followed blindly by the Hindus.
There is no single Prophet: who is followed blindly by the Indian Hindus. In fact all the Abrahamic and Islamic Prophets are petty politicians.
Only the foolish follows , that's the reason why we find, there are so many followers of Evil Islam and Vile Christianity.
Mostly Criminals will follow Islam and the Poor ( economically and/or intellectually poor ) will follow Christianity.
Not a single Civilized, Intelligent Human being can claim His/Herself belonging to any belief systems like Islam or Christianity. No intelligent human being can be a blind believer like the Evil Muslims or Vile Christians. No politician is Intelligent they are tricky swindler foxes.
#24 says "Really? then please
#24 says
"Really? then please kindly explain these passage, I quoted it from your beloved Vedas:
इमा नारीरविधवाः सुपत्नीराञ्जनेन सर्पिषा संविशन्तु |
अनश्रवो.अनमीवाः सुरत्ना आ रोहन्तु जनयोयोनिमग्रे || (Rig Veda 10.18.7)"
Yeah i will explain it
the english translation is at best crude and misleading.
Rig Veda 10.18.7
Let these women, whose husbands are worthy and are living, enter the house with ghee (applied) as collyrium (to their eyes). Let these wives first step into the pyre, tearless without any affliction and well adorned.[28]
There are no widows mentioned here(cause it says "whose husbands are worthy and are living)
The only basis for inferring sati is the word yomiagne which appears to be a corrupted form of yonim..cause the husbands are alive and kicking...
And #24 says
"So basically you’re saying that The Purana (group of important Hindu (or Jain and Buddhist) religious texts"
If they dont agree with vedas and commonsense hindus will reject them..Got it
//No widow burning mentioned in ramayana or mahabharata.// the major puranas//
//Obviously they didnt teach you in your evangelical church that vishnu smriti is not Purana it is a commentary//...
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The problem with qrandic and
The problem with qrandic and biblical evil followers is this.They assume that all others have similar single authored books with same evil! They try and look for a few words here and there of evil and post the same as proof of the devilish nature of Hinduism! First and foremost there is nothing called hinduism! The word hindu itself does not exist in any of the vedas, puranas,etc.The word hindu is a geographical connotation and not a religious terminology.Many people from the west came to disprove the devil worshipping hindus and realised the vast ness of the thoughts and got converted themselves as hindus! The philosophical thoughts of sanatan dharma can not be described in a few pages like bible or qrand.Qrand has no philosophical thought at all.At most the the thogugh hovers around the awra/pudenda/ vagina and not above that
#28. rationalt + Hi there.
#28. rationalt +
Hi there. Are you reading the posts and the comments properly before posting your comments ?? Reread before commenting, just a friendly advice you may heed or avoid up to you. Have a nice session .
# 29. proudkafir; I agree
# 29. proudkafir;
I agree with you, Hinduism and Aryan are the terms concocted by the invading barbarians.like the Muslims and the Christians who invaded India for political and economical gains.
Now both the Cults are claiming: They came to India to help and reform Indians.
May be during the middle age there was Internet or some kind of advanced communication system was there, through which the Indian low caste peoples and all the religiously oppressed Hindus send their SOS to the Slaves of Allah and the Xians to come and reform India.
Don't take my words for granted , just read your own history , not the distorted history I mean.
And you will come to know the Jihadi Muslims and the Pirate Christians came to India after receiving the SOS from the religiously and socially oppressed low caste Hindus for Christian Charity and Islamic kindness.
Well the Kind hearted Muslims and the Christians Killed and converted many Hindus( After Looting India) for the good of the Hindus . Indian Hindus should remain grateful to the Islamic and Christian Invaders for their kind Killing., afterall Islam and Christiany are the only religions of PISS..
Want to have a look at the Loots ? Just visit the British Museum in London.
#5, I agree with you in that
#5,
I agree with you in that we should never have helped these Muslim idiots...(as if they really needed our help) and I agree that we were NOT paying enough attention as now they are using it all against us! I agree that Americans (all westerners) should wake up!
Someone told me last week and a time or two before that one reason I stick to my religion is due to emotional ties. The truth is, we all stick to our beliefs be it religious or otherwise because we are emotionally attached to them....good or bad. Otherwise we'd be a hell of a lot more tolerant and accepting of other beliefs so long as they are not harming anyone. No one should judge a tree by a few bad apples, but that is human nature no matter what race nationality culture or religion one is from.
I am sure that all Christians would like people to come to Christ, but most of us live in reality and know that is not going to happen and when it doesn't, as long as they are not forcing harm upon us, we should love and respect others as our neighbor...at least that is what I've been taught and believe.
Most Muslims claiming that Islam is tolerant either are apologists or the poor souls have never read the koran and have no clue as some are only Muslim by paper/family ties.
Since I've been alive, I've never known a Christian family to kill one of their own simply for choosing not to believe...I've seen many disappointed when not accepting Christ, but never punishment by death...if that were to be the case...many Americans would be dead. Not saying it hasn't happened as I don't agree with tactics many Christians use. They can be cunning and manipulative, but in those cases, their heart is not in the right place.
I said you should not judge a tree by a few bad apples, but Islam is simply a bad tree. Some may feel that what I believe is also a bad tree and that is fine...your choice, but respect me as a good person and move on just as I would anyone else!
From all the comments that
From all the comments that I've received, it really show me how "tolerant & peaceful" the Hindus in this forum. Just like their brethren in India. They committed these "noble" acts to show their "virtue":
1. In 1997 in Gujarat, 22 churches were burnt or destroyed, and another 16 damaged.[3] Recently, there has been a sharp increase in violent attacks on Christians. A Hindu group claims to have converted 2,000 tribal Christians to Hinduism. The attackers had vandalized places of worship and thus caused strike terror among the tribals.
2. Graham Staines, an Australian Christian missionary was burnt to death along with his two sons Timothy (aged 9) and Philip (aged 7), while they were sleeping in his station wagon at Manoharpur village in Keonjhar district in Orissa in January 1999. He was running the Evangelical Missionary Society of Mayurbhanj, an Australian missionary society.
3. In June 2000, four churches around India were bombed. In Andhra Pradesh, church graves were desecrated. A church in Maharashtra was ransacked.[3] In September 2008, two churches were partly damaged in Kerala.
4. The 2008 wave of attacks against Christians in Karnataka includes attacks directed against Christian churches and prayer halls in Karnataka by the Bajrang Dal. The violence started from 14 September 2008 when about 20 churches were vandalized in Mangalore, Udupi, Chikkamagaluru, and in other districts of Karnataka. Minor violence was later reported from the border state of Kerala.
5. In Orissa August 2008,Swami Lakshmanananda, a Hindu monk and spiritual leader, was attacked and killed by Maoist rebel.The violence that followed spread to 300 villages in 14 of the 30 districts in the state, resulting in 4,400 burnt houses and 50,000 homeless. Fifty-nine people were killed, while 18,000 were injured. Two women, one of whom was a Christian nun, were gang-raped, and dozens of churches, schools and colleges were destroyed or damaged.
Please click the link below to see how "benign" those Hindu to the Christian minorities.
http://in.reuters.com/news/pictures/cslideshow?sj=200809011203145.js&sn=...
- Matthew 7:16
Ye shall know them by their fruits.
You really have delusions of
You really have delusions of grandeur about christianity! dont you?
Christian community( not the converted trash in India) invading from out side India were in india and acted as per biblical instructions and so did the evil allah's slaves.The local converted trash ( in to xtianity and islam) are neither here nor there.So these people keep vomiting in septic english press in india and incidentally the english press is rabidly anti hindu and anti Indian .That is because the owners of the english media are either moslems or christians and few bigoted communists who appear like hindus.
Grandeur88 In India all the
Grandeur88
In India all the media, both print & visual, are owned and operated by anti-hindus, the Christians & Muslims. Do you think they will give an honest reporting of envents to their detriment?
In Kerala, if you watch TV channels, they give round the clock the news of Gujarat riots but never mentions the root cause of it, the burning of 59 hindu karsevaks in a train.
The root cause of Kandhamal riots in Orissa are the killing of Swami Laksmanananda and four of his disciples by Maoists whose allegience is with Christians. The secular media never mention this in their TV or newspapers.
In Karnataka, the Christians distributed leaflets demonising local faith and its deities, this is the reason for the reaction of hindus.
The most danagerous section of people to hindus and their faith is not Christians or Muslims, it is THE PSECUDO SECULAR BASTARDS. Of course, speaking and acting against the majority is the thing that sustains them!!!
What hindus in India need is their own newspapers & TV channels. I appeal PK, Continuum, Ibrahim, Krishna and others who comment in ffi to join hands and initiate to start newspapers & TV channels in all languages in Bharat to enlighten hindus the evil nature of Islam & Christianity that surround them from all side for jihad and harvesting of souls.
Hi #34. proudkafir and # 35.
Hi #34. proudkafir and # 35. Kaalan ;
You don't have to react to the Christian Cretin Gandu69 and it's like, let them think as they want to , who cares??. The facts will remain facts.
The Cretin Christians and Muslim Pigs will meet their sticky end as all cockroaches meet their end.
Intelligent and politically conscious Indians like you people are enough to fight and win against these Menaces called Political Islam and Christianity.
Great! so much for fighting
Great! so much for fighting islam! :((((
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TO ALL: LIKE I SAID THE
TO ALL: LIKE I SAID THE PEOPLE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND HATE SO MUCH WERE FROM cHRISTENDOM, rOMAN cHRISTIANITY. tHE BIBLE NEVER SAID KILL OR BURN YOU UP JUST PREACH THE WORD AND IF YOU DONT WANT IT cHRISTIANS ARE TOLD TO WALK AWAY.
Now why accept help from bad ole Christians of Christendom. Maybe you all need to send all of the jobs back to the West, return home to India and fight Pakistan yourselves. I would suggest that you all send all of the Christendom member back home, feed your masses and leave the West along. Return back to your own status quo os Hinduism. Fight Islam alone. Since the Christians are so bad and you hate them as much as you do Islam who invaded you and killed 80 million Hindus, you fight them and soon Pakistan will overtake you and who will you call then.
I never realized that all the
I never realized that all the help we send to India and they hate us so much. Either you are Muslims posing or just disgruntled atheist. Most atheist hate religion, but I really dont care. I am a believer, not an atheist. I have sense enough to know nothing made itself. A wooden desk was made from a tree and man chopped the tree down and made the desk. Now the tree stood for 4000 yrs. until the man came with the chainsaw and sawed the tree down. If one wants to still believe that things just evolved that is up to them, I do not and I will not kill you for it. Under atheism, you would kill me like in China, Russia, and Cuba. The Inquisition was Roman Christendom, not Christianity, and it was brutal, horrible. The fisrt crusade was Islamic and the most famous was in response to the Arab Catholics asking Pope Urban for help fighting the invading Muslims who were torturing them in Jerusalem.