Submitted by Acharya SD.M. M... on Thu, 07/23/2009 - 00:33
Printer-friendly versionSend to friendPDF versionThis past weekend, a fanatical Islamist group, Hizb ut Tahrir, which calls itself a "Global Islamic Political Party," convened at the Hilton Hotel in Chicago in order to rally the jihadi troups to overthrow the U.S. Constitution and to impose Islamic sharia law, with all its oppression, brutality and censorship.
In the first place, the double standard held by hotels lately is blatant: The conference featuring Islam critic and Dutch politician Geert Wilders in Florida was cancelled at the last minute after the Delray Beach Marriott hotel refused to hold it. We know the culprits behind that piece of censorship. Now, however, we find individuals essentially attempting to conquer the U.S. given free rein at another hotel.
If these individuals calling for the destruction of the U.S. Constitution are American citizens, they have basically committed treason and should be charged with that crime. If they are not American citizens, they should be deported as soon as possible. How long would such anti-government rabble rousers have lasted in Saudi Arabia or Iran, calling for the destruction of the constitutions there?
Free Speech is Sacred
Secondly, availing themselves of the First Amendment these anti-American fanatics in Chicago were evidently carrying signs declaring, "Freedom of Speech is an Attack on Islam." Many people outside of the Muslim world hold free speech as a sacred tenet; hence, the censorial commentary itself represents an attack on their religion. These same individuals cherish the U.S. Constitution as a truly sacred scripture.
Regarding this gathering, American Atheists president Ed Buckner remarked:
The 'enemy' they cite is free markets, free ideas, and freedom from imposed religion... We know that is not what most Americans want, including, we hope and think, the vast majority of Muslims who, while religious, accept the values embodied in the Constitution, including free expression."
We can only hope that the majority of Muslims in the U.S. revere the freedoms that the American Constitution affords—including freedom from imposed religion—and that, rather than committing treason, they will uphold and defend that sacred piece of legislation. However, we must keep in mind the chilling example of "creeping sharia" in the U.K. and other parts of Europe, and we must never lose sight of the old adage widely ascribed to American Founding Father and President Thomas Jefferson:
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
Let us never forget the steep price so many Americans have paid over the past centuries in order to establish and preserve those freedoms. And let us also never capitulate our hard-earned right to free speech, which we may claim as one of our "religious" tenets. Indeed, such censorship constitutes an attack on basic human rights that we as freethinkers hold sacred.
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D.M. Murdock, also known as Acharya S, is an independent scholar of comparative religion and mythology from a "freethinking" perspective. She is the author of The Christ Conspiracy, Suns of God, Who was Jesus? and Christ in Egypt. Her work was featured in the movie Zeitgeist and Bill Mahers Religulous. Her main website is TruthBeKnown.com.
Submitted by Kam Baksh (not verified) on Thu, 07/23/2009 - 04:47.
Mr Acharya:
There comes a time in every upwardly mobile civilization`s evolution that people tend to get as broad minded as possible. That is inherent human nature to evolve to ever greater hights. It was once in India`s time when people framed maxims such as "Vasudheva Kutumbakam" (the whole earth is but one family) following which it faced perils of extinction vide Islamic brutes, who took advantage of broad thinking of natives, transplanted themselves and then dislodged the natives. (Look at Pakistan and the history of the land, nothing much to substantiate further).
The US of A is in similar boat. They have elected Obama, first sign of going downhill. The denizens of this country continue to help grow the islamic brutes in their midst only to their peril, which alas they will realize when it would be too late. I have talked to many Americans, and their world-view only proves that they will not only go down the drain themselves, but also would take several others with them.
I have my sympahthies for you Acharya, you might have thought escaping to US of A was better deal than to deal with muslims back at home in India, how sour the dream turned out!
Submitted by pathfinder (not verified) on Thu, 07/23/2009 - 05:59.
Newton was no doubt one of the greatest mind of the world and his theory 'Every Action produces an equal and Opposite Reaction' has withstood every scenerio. Islam is such an interesting animal that, will it fail the newton's universal law. The assault of Islam against Humanity is constant. When will humanity will revolt(react)against Islam and overcome it?
Unfortunately there no leader who is president of the free western world who will take a decisive stand against this dangerous ideology of islam. Just like 'Abraham Lincon' is an immortal who abolished slavery from the US first and then the world, the president who will take a clear and truthful stand against this evil Islam will make history. That person will be the most famous and will be remembered till many millenia.
Submitted by nusratali (not verified) on Thu, 07/23/2009 - 07:11.
All free and democratic countries should take an oarh from muslims of thier countries or outer countreis willing to visit thier countries that
--- they respect freedom of speach and expression.
---they respect and accept other religions than Islam.
---they will not preach hatred, violence and intolerence thru thier verses of so called holy book and padoefilia prophet..
---- they will not object to socio-political and religio-scientific-historical analysis of Islam.
ONLY THEN & THEN THESE MUSLIMS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO TASTE THE FRUITS OF FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY IN THIER COUNTRIES. LET IT BE KNOWN TO EVERY ONE THAT KORAN DOESNT ALLOW AND ACCEPT FREEDOM OF ENQUIRY SPEECH OR EXPRESSION OR SECULARISM OR DEMOCRACY OR FREEDOM OF THOUGHT, THEN WHY SHOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO TAKE BENIFIT OF THESE SYSTEMS OF VIRTUES & WISDOMS?
Submitted by understandingislam (not verified) on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 03:19.
west will be defeated and trounced and its civilization will turn into an Islamic commonwealth and this might take long time but it is as sure as the fact of rising sun. you all antagonist of islam really dont know a damn about what is the nature of chronic and most lethal void created by the demise of socialism and islam as being inverted psychosis will fill the void and eliminate western civilization with all its freedom and individual rigts. the war being waged against terrorism is an eyewash which only serve to lubricate trillions dollar arms industry of west, a mere capitalist exercise upon human blood in most futile way . the snake is being feeded right under your wings in the name of multiculturalism and cosmopolitanism by your opportunist politician which is an irony because in your democracy islam have most convenient oppurtunities to bottom out your civilization by getting you to do your own nemisis. most moderate muslim < provided he is not shia i mean those shias who dont subscribe to aitulahs of iran . moderate muslim is mere a deception and most moderate muslim revert to true islam when the calling of god become evident, sufi islam being mere a self-consolation. you will pay the terrible price for your undoing of most natural and just social system for the emancipation of humanity. this is precisely according to the model of evolution .
Submitted by Demsci (not verified) on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 22:45.
I so hope UnderstandingIslam is not right in his prediction. My hope is among other factors on the ex-Muslims and their great expansion. They are as much motivated, driven as any Muslim and they like and want much of our systems. They are very well informed about Islam and very keen to inform us. We should follow their lead.
Also I see that science is not being idle, that information-technology ever searches forward and that education, literacy, rational thinking, huge amounts of good information are much on the rise, as is global travel. Everybody might be surprised in the coming decades about Artificial Intelligence, which keeps making great strides, according to Ray Kurzweil developing endlessly faster than us humans.
Submitted by Demsci (not verified) on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 22:53.
Nusrat Ali, Hi.
I like your proposal immensely. We should work it out properly. I am for a contract, instead of oath, or a combination. In this contract we can specify that immigrants MAY be disinterested, a-political, but not engaged in any activities, that are detrimental to our system and values. That there are certain conditions they must fulfill, abide by, if they want to live in our societies. On pain of deportation or other just ways to deal with contract-breach. And with stringent control of behavior, life-long if need be. In fact, contracts for all citizens might be comtemplated.
If we had the abovementioned contract signed or oath taken, we would be able to get rid of people who threathen or misuse our liberties, freedoms, benefits, advantages. If immigrants integrated much better, more could be allowed, but only with those contracts-oaths. Many immigrants, being totally fed up with bad governance, interfering religion, bad behavior in their original countries, would gladly sign or take the oath. And immigration would be our trump-card against radical Islam. We could allow ever more people to vote with their feet, if it worked.
Submitted by Moooo (not verified) on Sat, 07/25/2009 - 19:38.
The one that will destroy this world is either the fanatic one or the greed one, its fact. Islam againts democracy. US Constitution is "satanic" law according to islam, so it must be terminated. Human rights is also "satanic" rights, so it must be replaced with muslim and dhimmi rights. Isn't that right, muslim? Slim? muslim? Any answer?
Submitted by paarsurrey (not verified) on Sun, 07/26/2009 - 21:07.
Hi friends
Quran/Islam/Muhammad were for uplift of humanity in the spheres of temporal, moral and spiritual fields. They never believed in physical supremacy.
As rightly cautioned by our Hindu friend Acharya the past weekend, a fanatical Islamist group, Hizb ut Tahrir,which consists of only some minority extremists and which calls itself a “Global Islamic Political Party,” as stated by our Hindu friend ;they do not represent Quran/Islam/Muhammad anyway. The American Government and its allies should vigilantly observe that Hizb ut Tahrir cannot do any subversive activitly to implicate the Islamic Religion at large.
There is no real threat to the world from Quran/Islam/Muhammad, in my opinion.. The terrorists; yes, but they are being taken care of by America and its Allies. Faithfreedom.org or Ali Sina need not worry about it, in my opinion, and create Islamphobia, unnecessarily.
Submitted by Moooo (not verified) on Tue, 07/28/2009 - 18:42.
"There is no real threat to the world from Quran/Islam/Muhammad, in my opinion.. The terrorists; yes, but they are being taken care of by America and its Allies. Faithfreedom.org or Ali Sina need not worry about it, in my opinion, and create Islamphobia, unnecessarily."
Hmmm, typical useless theory. Islam is a REAL threat to the world. It wants to conquer all nation and bring sharia law all over the world. And what happen if sharia law applied? Go look at saudi arabia or iran. May i remind you that the terrorists is just one problem out of many.
About islamophobia, it's wrong to call that. First, understand the word phobia, ok?
Submitted by Demsci (not verified) on Fri, 07/31/2009 - 05:19.
Paarsurrey, I am with Moooo on this.
CNN was featuring Muslims in Pakistan who actually favored Democratic rules in Pakistan. One of them came from UK and was a former member of Hizb-ut-Tahrir. Please join people like that, people who can combine Islam or some form of it with Democracy, or some kind of plan to eventually reach that, all over the world.
Then we would not fear and oppose your sort of Islam, as long as your sort of Islam-movement supports our worldwide democratic ideals. And remember, Democracy is not about coercing others to submission, as mainstream Islam is, but on the contrary brings freedom and a little participation for ordinary people. Democracy is primarily meant against force. You often also sound like a democrat. In Holland we appreciate Ahmadi Muslims a lot.
Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 03:16.
It would be a fine thing if Ms Murdoch actually practiced what she preached and offered free speech on her websites. Any dissenting voices are automatically censored. When she does manage to allow people to pass comment on her diatribes we might then take her seriously.
In any case, America's enemies are not Islamic - they are mostly within the very fabric of government itself. It is those forces that are undermining the constitution not some spurious group of religious nuts.
Submitted by Acharya SD.M. M... on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 03:55.
This person frantic about "free speech" has been cyberstalking me for weeks with insults and threats. It is a well-known policy of law enforcement not to encourage dangerous stalkers by giving them attention. Or, as they say on the net, don't feed the trolls.
I suggest that this individual seek proper medical attention ASAP.
The idea that dissent is not allowed on my sites is a complete and utter fabrication coming from an obviously deluded mind. One look at my sites can prove this fact. The only person being banned is this individual, who is a cyberstalker, period. He has used multiple IPs - over a dozen so far - in order to post his insults and threats. As I say, I have been advised by law enforcement officials not to encourage stalkers, whether in real life or offline.
Faithfreedom.org echoes the voice of ex-Muslims who want to stop the spread of Islam, expose its violent nature, and help Muslims to understand it and leave it. We believe in the oneness of humanity and oppose Islam for inciting hatred against non Muslims. Muhammad instructed his follower to conquer the world by the sword and to rule it with terror. We are determined to not let that happen.
Mr Acharya: There comes a
Mr Acharya:
There comes a time in every upwardly mobile civilization`s evolution that people tend to get as broad minded as possible. That is inherent human nature to evolve to ever greater hights. It was once in India`s time when people framed maxims such as "Vasudheva Kutumbakam" (the whole earth is but one family) following which it faced perils of extinction vide Islamic brutes, who took advantage of broad thinking of natives, transplanted themselves and then dislodged the natives. (Look at Pakistan and the history of the land, nothing much to substantiate further).
The US of A is in similar boat. They have elected Obama, first sign of going downhill. The denizens of this country continue to help grow the islamic brutes in their midst only to their peril, which alas they will realize when it would be too late. I have talked to many Americans, and their world-view only proves that they will not only go down the drain themselves, but also would take several others with them.
I have my sympahthies for you Acharya, you might have thought escaping to US of A was better deal than to deal with muslims back at home in India, how sour the dream turned out!
Newton was no doubt one of
Newton was no doubt one of the greatest mind of the world and his theory 'Every Action produces an equal and Opposite Reaction' has withstood every scenerio. Islam is such an interesting animal that, will it fail the newton's universal law. The assault of Islam against Humanity is constant. When will humanity will revolt(react)against Islam and overcome it?
Unfortunately there no leader who is president of the free western world who will take a decisive stand against this dangerous ideology of islam. Just like 'Abraham Lincon' is an immortal who abolished slavery from the US first and then the world, the president who will take a clear and truthful stand against this evil Islam will make history. That person will be the most famous and will be remembered till many millenia.
Imagine that! Sharia laws in
Imagine that! Sharia laws in USA... WOw!!!..a dream come true for Osama and mehsud. Atta boy Pres Obama..
It is treason indeed !! I
It is treason indeed !! I still say.."Put up, or SHUT up"
All free and democratic
All free and democratic countries should take an oarh from muslims of thier countries or outer countreis willing to visit thier countries that
--- they respect freedom of speach and expression.
---they respect and accept other religions than Islam.
---they will not preach hatred, violence and intolerence thru thier verses of so called holy book and padoefilia prophet..
---- they will not object to socio-political and religio-scientific-historical analysis of Islam.
ONLY THEN & THEN THESE MUSLIMS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO TASTE THE FRUITS OF FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY IN THIER COUNTRIES. LET IT BE KNOWN TO EVERY ONE THAT KORAN DOESNT ALLOW AND ACCEPT FREEDOM OF ENQUIRY SPEECH OR EXPRESSION OR SECULARISM OR DEMOCRACY OR FREEDOM OF THOUGHT, THEN WHY SHOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO TAKE BENIFIT OF THESE SYSTEMS OF VIRTUES & WISDOMS?
west will be defeated and
west will be defeated and trounced and its civilization will turn into an Islamic commonwealth and this might take long time but it is as sure as the fact of rising sun. you all antagonist of islam really dont know a damn about what is the nature of chronic and most lethal void created by the demise of socialism and islam as being inverted psychosis will fill the void and eliminate western civilization with all its freedom and individual rigts. the war being waged against terrorism is an eyewash which only serve to lubricate trillions dollar arms industry of west, a mere capitalist exercise upon human blood in most futile way . the snake is being feeded right under your wings in the name of multiculturalism and cosmopolitanism by your opportunist politician which is an irony because in your democracy islam have most convenient oppurtunities to bottom out your civilization by getting you to do your own nemisis. most moderate muslim < provided he is not shia i mean those shias who dont subscribe to aitulahs of iran . moderate muslim is mere a deception and most moderate muslim revert to true islam when the calling of god become evident, sufi islam being mere a self-consolation. you will pay the terrible price for your undoing of most natural and just social system for the emancipation of humanity. this is precisely according to the model of evolution .
I so hope UnderstandingIslam
I so hope UnderstandingIslam is not right in his prediction. My hope is among other factors on the ex-Muslims and their great expansion. They are as much motivated, driven as any Muslim and they like and want much of our systems. They are very well informed about Islam and very keen to inform us. We should follow their lead.
Also I see that science is not being idle, that information-technology ever searches forward and that education, literacy, rational thinking, huge amounts of good information are much on the rise, as is global travel. Everybody might be surprised in the coming decades about Artificial Intelligence, which keeps making great strides, according to Ray Kurzweil developing endlessly faster than us humans.
Nusrat Ali, Hi. I like your
Nusrat Ali, Hi.
I like your proposal immensely. We should work it out properly. I am for a contract, instead of oath, or a combination. In this contract we can specify that immigrants MAY be disinterested, a-political, but not engaged in any activities, that are detrimental to our system and values. That there are certain conditions they must fulfill, abide by, if they want to live in our societies. On pain of deportation or other just ways to deal with contract-breach. And with stringent control of behavior, life-long if need be. In fact, contracts for all citizens might be comtemplated.
If we had the abovementioned contract signed or oath taken, we would be able to get rid of people who threathen or misuse our liberties, freedoms, benefits, advantages. If immigrants integrated much better, more could be allowed, but only with those contracts-oaths. Many immigrants, being totally fed up with bad governance, interfering religion, bad behavior in their original countries, would gladly sign or take the oath. And immigration would be our trump-card against radical Islam. We could allow ever more people to vote with their feet, if it worked.
The one that will destroy
The one that will destroy this world is either the fanatic one or the greed one, its fact. Islam againts democracy. US Constitution is "satanic" law according to islam, so it must be terminated. Human rights is also "satanic" rights, so it must be replaced with muslim and dhimmi rights. Isn't that right, muslim? Slim? muslim? Any answer?
Hi
Hi friends
Quran/Islam/Muhammad were for uplift of humanity in the spheres of temporal, moral and spiritual fields. They never believed in physical supremacy.
As rightly cautioned by our Hindu friend Acharya the past weekend, a fanatical Islamist group, Hizb ut Tahrir,which consists of only some minority extremists and which calls itself a “Global Islamic Political Party,” as stated by our Hindu friend ;they do not represent Quran/Islam/Muhammad anyway. The American Government and its allies should vigilantly observe that Hizb ut Tahrir cannot do any subversive activitly to implicate the Islamic Religion at large.
There is no real threat to the world from Quran/Islam/Muhammad, in my opinion.. The terrorists; yes, but they are being taken care of by America and its Allies. Faithfreedom.org or Ali Sina need not worry about it, in my opinion, and create Islamphobia, unnecessarily.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
"There is no real threat to
"There is no real threat to the world from Quran/Islam/Muhammad, in my opinion.. The terrorists; yes, but they are being taken care of by America and its Allies. Faithfreedom.org or Ali Sina need not worry about it, in my opinion, and create Islamphobia, unnecessarily."
Hmmm, typical useless theory. Islam is a REAL threat to the world. It wants to conquer all nation and bring sharia law all over the world. And what happen if sharia law applied? Go look at saudi arabia or iran. May i remind you that the terrorists is just one problem out of many.
About islamophobia, it's wrong to call that. First, understand the word phobia, ok?
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Paarsurrey, I am with Moooo
Paarsurrey, I am with Moooo on this.
CNN was featuring Muslims in Pakistan who actually favored Democratic rules in Pakistan. One of them came from UK and was a former member of Hizb-ut-Tahrir. Please join people like that, people who can combine Islam or some form of it with Democracy, or some kind of plan to eventually reach that, all over the world.
Then we would not fear and oppose your sort of Islam, as long as your sort of Islam-movement supports our worldwide democratic ideals. And remember, Democracy is not about coercing others to submission, as mainstream Islam is, but on the contrary brings freedom and a little participation for ordinary people. Democracy is primarily meant against force. You often also sound like a democrat. In Holland we appreciate Ahmadi Muslims a lot.
"In Holland we appreciate
"In Holland we appreciate Ahmadi Muslims a lot."
The fact is ahmadi are treated like sh*t in my country. So this minorities's opinion are pretty much useless.
It would be a fine thing if
It would be a fine thing if Ms Murdoch actually practiced what she preached and offered free speech on her websites. Any dissenting voices are automatically censored. When she does manage to allow people to pass comment on her diatribes we might then take her seriously.
In any case, America's enemies are not Islamic - they are mostly within the very fabric of government itself. It is those forces that are undermining the constitution not some spurious group of religious nuts.
Cyberstalker named "Radical" and "Anonymous"
This person frantic about "free speech" has been cyberstalking me for weeks with insults and threats. It is a well-known policy of law enforcement not to encourage dangerous stalkers by giving them attention. Or, as they say on the net, don't feed the trolls.
I suggest that this individual seek proper medical attention ASAP.
The idea that dissent is not allowed on my sites is a complete and utter fabrication coming from an obviously deluded mind. One look at my sites can prove this fact. The only person being banned is this individual, who is a cyberstalker, period. He has used multiple IPs - over a dozen so far - in order to post his insults and threats. As I say, I have been advised by law enforcement officials not to encourage stalkers, whether in real life or offline.