Islam simplified

Submitted by Dr. Omar Zia on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 07:40

PDF versionBy: Dr. Omar Zia Let me apologize in advance for I will take up 1 minute of your time to first of all tell you about myself in this article. The past three and a half years for me have been most traumatic of my life. I have been ostracized, called deaf, dumb and blind, threatened and even begged, cursed and prayed at to come to my senses. The more I was subjected to the above the more I became determined to get to the bottom of my predicament. I call it my predicament because I was most bewildered as to why my own loved ones have gone against me. My friends abandoned me, my relatives scorned me, even my wife of 15 married years threatened to leave me. The people who did not even know me sent me emails threatening dire consequences in this world and afterlife. They prayed for my early death and scorching in hell for an eternity. But all that is past me. Since writing the previous two articles I have been subjected to levels of hate previously unknown. If cyberspace was capable of shredding one into barbequed pieces of chewed up and spat out meat, I would resemble that. Receiving this huge smack in the cyberface has prompted me to explain my understanding of Islam in simplified terms and ask all alleged Muslims to refute me in a logical manner, if they please. Islam may be many things for many people from different sects but one thing on which every sect of Islam will agree and which is beyond dispute is the five pillars theory. Those five pillars are: Belief (Reciting Kulma) Prayers (5 mandatory prayers during the course of the day) Fasting (30 day mandatory period) Zakat (2.5% alms given from 'income') Hajj (Once a lifetime pilgrimage) It is these five pillars on which Islam is supposed to be resting. The absurdity of a 'belief' resting on rituals is as diabolical as the idea of transubstantiation, but for now lets move on to the rituals of Islam and how they may be beneficial or not for humanity as a whole. Belief I implore the Muslim readers for a moment to just think, think for a moment about the vastness of our universe, the complexity of its function, the time of its existence, the wonder of life arising on a speck of dust called earth (as well as the probability of life arising on another billion planets in hundreds of billions of galaxies similar to ours) and then imagine a Being which runs all that. How complex and how vast that imagined Being must be. Even the comparison in size between me and the ants living in my garden is beyond this scale by millions of times. Can you imagine that Being caring an iota about a microscopic and most inferior being 'believing' in him or not? This great Being existence would not require confirmation from humans or would he feel threats of eternal torture for non compliance necessary. If this Being existed it would be totally free of such needs. It's like you creating an army of robots and started torturing them for an eternity for not believing in you. Allah the sadist is not that Being. Prayers Prayers 5 times a day are a most mind numbing ritual for the simple reason that the small minority that actually practice it do not know what they are reciting even the ones who are familiar with Arabic. The first Surah recited in that is Surah Fatihah in which the reciter is praying to Allah to send him on a straight path. That Surah is a prayer and therefore does not belong in the Quran. One of the many smaller Surahs which are often recited by Muslims in these prayers is 111. It is full of curses. The other small Surahs are also meaningless and devoid of any piety and contain abstract verses. No Muslim knows what they are reciting and the repetitive and incomprehensibleness of this forces the mind to wonder to anything but Allah. Multiply this boredom and also just imagine reciting Surah 33 and Surah 66 detailing Muhammad's sex affairs during travels in Ramadan. There are many other unsolvable puzzles created by an ignorant Muhammad in the prayers. I list some of them below. Direction of Kaaba: How do you determine that in a world which is round! Even from only a thousand mile away from Mecca you are pointing towards the space and not Kaaba. Closer to Polar ends: How do you read five prayers at different intervals in a world which does not have equal days and nights and in some regions night and day run into months rather than a 24 hour period. 5 times a day Ablution: Does this make them any cleaner? Certainly not! In my travels around the Muslim world I have yet to come across a clean Muslim country barring the oil rich Emirates who can afford to hire an army of slaves from the subcontinent to keep their little Emirates clean. This is also such a waste of scarce water resource (mercifully most Muslims ignore call for prayers) and what a pain it could be for Muslim Eskimos to do that in their freezing surroundings. Determining the time of prayers: How do you determine the time of prayers under cloud cover. Did Muhammad foresee the invention of clocks? Muslims even resisted the use of loud speakers for Azan at the advent of that invention. Why do they use the clock to determine the time of prayers? Finally to think that the alleged creator of this magnificent universe wants humans to forgo normal life and pray to him all their life and become his slaves is an insult to our evolved sensibilities. Fasting For those who are not familiar with this ritual of Islam, fasting is done for around 30 days every year. The month of fast falls 10 days behind preceding year, every year, due to Muhammad Lunacy of basing his year on the Lunar calendar. Hardly any Muslim uses that calendar. During fast you are not allowed food or water from sunrise till sunset. Once again the crazed deity called Allah wants his creation to suffered in immeasurable terms. It never fails to amaze me how during normal times my wife gets upset if she fails to have the dinner table ready when the children come home from school. She wants them fed and watered immediately. But during fasting month she scorns us for refusing to fast and makes us feel guilty the whole month. To my gentle queries as to why the mover of the universe wants its puny beings to starve and suffer, she has no answer. The sadistic Allah has a very peculiar satanic effect on her. Fasting is proven to be bad for health. Our metabolic system requires food at intervals rather than gorging twice a day. I have personally seen most rich Arabs in Saudi Arabia and Emirates sleep all day after closing fast and gorge all night on 'all night buffets', while the poor Muslims from the subcontinent build their countries while suffering with hunger and thirst due to demonic Allah's unjust edicts. When I am in Pakistan, I often come across people who bemoan the fact that prices of edibles go up with the advent of Ramadan. When I tell them that prices only go up when demand is high against a constant supply and perhaps people eat more rather than less during Ramadan they just look at me as if I am mad. Zakat Would it not be great if governments can run all their affairs on a 2.5% collection of taxes to maintain all the essential services in the country? Can any Muslim show me a country which only collects this amount of tax? The truth is that this tax was levied by Muhammad and his cohorts without any thought or planning. It was basically an afterthought once income from ghazwas (robbing expeditions which provided 20%) began to decline. Most civilized countries which provide cradle to the grave services for its citizens levy almost 60% taxes. Even the Islamic Jamhooria of Pakistan which provides hardly any services to its citizens levies 15% basic income tax, almost 6 times more than the absurd amount of Islamic tax. But let's see what effect this lip service to Zakat has on normal people. Before the 1st of Ramadan people in Pakistan empty their bank accounts so the government cannot charge Zakat from their savings. They then take some of that money and stock up on alcoholic beverages as the wine shops are closed during Ramadan. They gather in droves at the banks to sign a form for Zakat exemption. The banks take advantage of this by charging Rs 100 for that form. The spectacle of poor queuing up on rich peoples palatial houses for bits of food and money handed out in Zakat is a sad and despicable sight and a most degrading experience for the poor. This shameful spectacle is on display in most Muslim countries. Even more shameful is the fact that according to almost all Islamic Scholars Zakat cannot be used for the welfare of non-Muslims. How much more does Islam have to show its ugly head before Muslims realize that this religion or cult cannot be from an all encompassing, all loving being. Hajj This ritual, filled with satanic practices to me as I have personally experienced it, is the most absurd and self serving of all. According to Siratunnabi, the only authentic portrayal of the life of Muhammad, the confirmation of Kaaba being the abode of almighty mover and shaker of universe, Allah, came in shape of a note buried under the stones of Kaaba. The only problem was that the note was in Syriac and not Arabic. Perhaps Allah did not know Arabic when he buried the note. As the pagan Arabs were illiterate, a learned Jew had to translate the note. On my visit to Mecca many years ago I was aghast at the spectacle of people cutting the throats of various animals and throwing them in a large dug out pit to be sanded over later on. I was blamed of cowardice when I opted to pay the money over a counter to a charity which promised to cut the animal on my behalf and ship the tinned meat to poor Muslim countries. He emphasized on Muslim countries. When I asked my group leader why more people did not opt for this saner option I was contemptuously told that Allah preferred to see the blood there and then by the hands of the Hujjaj. Bonkers! Absolutely bonkers! Kissing the black stone was another hurdle which I refused to cross. Please don't blame me for that. Even Umar the most psychopathic follower of Muhammad, according to an ahadith narration, kissed it but only after proclaiming that he is doing it because Muhammad did it otherwise he knew that this stone was lifeless. At the ritual of throwing pebbles at the Satan I was aghast at the zeal of some Muslims. They were building a purposeful but comical rage and throwing pebbles, stones, coins, shoes, anything. I was once again blamed of being a coward as I was throwing the pebbles half heatedly and gently to avoid hurting anybody else. Later on the pebbles are picked up by the bulldozers and replaced where they came from! Look at the economic side. It costs 250000Pak rupees per person to perform Hajj. The main beneficiaries of this money spent is Saudi Arabia and some Chinese companies which make the Tasbihs and prayer mats for the Hajis to bring back in their thousands for handing out to relatives. One does not have to be a mathematician to work out that this is another way of exploiting Muslims outside of Arabia. Once again that cunning Allah has duped the non Arab Muslims. Is it any wonder Muhammad claimed that his tribe is the most favored of all Muslims? So there you have it. My definition of Islam. Feel free to hurl as many threats and insults at me as you can but just before you do that just think for a second. If you take away these nonsensical rituals away from Islam what else is left? Take a look. Underneath these pillars there is nothing but a rotten crumbly pile of stones with rules for subjugation of slaves, women, non Muslims and other civilizations. You may even find some piety among the rubble sneaked in for appearances sake but it is not worth bothering with. One can always be good just because it is good to be good rather than to please the demented duo of Muhammad and Allah. Are these the reasons that Muslims are at the bottom rung of civilization? Are these the reasons that makes Muslim countries the most illiterate, filthiest, most corrupt and hypocritical? Just for a change, do some critical thinking and self inspection. Dr Omar Zia Karachi, Pakistan

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good one pls keep up yr

Submitted by good one pls keep up yr divine work to expose truth (not verified) on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 08:18.

good one pls keep up yr divine work to expose truth

Dr Zia, did you know that the

Submitted by Sundried Atheist (not verified) on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 08:20.

Dr Zia, did you know that the Jamrat pillar has been modified and the Saudi authorities have now built a large wall extending outwards where the pillar once stood. This was done to improve safety as the stoning rituals claimed most victims from stampede and overcrowding. Even before this happened, the pillar was increased in height so that Muslims could stone them from bridges built at different levels. So you see there is room for improvement within Islam. I only wish they would replace live animals for sacrifice with stuffed toys. Will this happen? And jihad by killing can be replaced by something else. And cutting hands and feet can be replaced by symbolically cutting a carrot into two.

If Islam could adapt and reformed in this manner I dont think anybody would hate muslims and Islam. We have got to present these ideas to muslims and see how well they take to it. I think in a great step forward they have already demonstrated to us that they are open to change and adaptation when the time and need demands it.

But one thing is sure. If islam is going to be reformed it is poses a mighty challenge. It wont be quick and it wont happen soon. Maybe we should sincerely help reformist Muslims to radically alter the face of Islam so that it does not infringe upon people's fundamental rights to freedom, conscience and thought.

Do you like my suggestion.

First and foremost.Dr Zia

Submitted by proudkafir (not verified) on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 09:13.

First and foremost.Dr Zia please keep your indentity and where abouts secret as there are far too many stupid brain dead zombies willing to end your thought process, not only in Pakisthan but also in India and world over.
During my stay I met a moslem professor in medical field from india, who had just performed Haj.I curious to note that he had lot of injuries on his body.This he told me, he sustained, due to stone throwing practice of the moscums at the satan.These idiotis end up throwing stone at the fellow moslems at the front of the the (idiots) crowd.He was really pissed off at the moscums.That's in short the moscums attitude.They are ignorant, illiterate, stupid, idiotic and brain dead. please educate the women in your community and islam will get destroyed.Islam teaches that women are inferior to men and a passing dog, ass and a woman anull prayers. this is what is keeping moslems backward.

You ignorant proudkafir,

Submitted by Sundried Atheist (not verified) on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 09:28.

You ignorant proudkafir, Islam does not teach that women are inferior. Women enjoy a lot of security and protection under Islam. Islam is the only system that has given women the rightful duties she deserves. Can you name a single unIslamic society where gender roles are still adhered to. Come on, we have to give Islam where it is due. If you look at western culture there is practically no difference between men and women. You find women do all sorts of things you would expect only men to do. Women should be kept in their proper places or they will come and sit on your head and gnaw at your ears. That's the way they are by nature.

Dear sir I knew that you,

Submitted by proudkafir (not verified) on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 09:56.

Dear sir
I knew that you, though an ex moslem, still have islamic influence.Now let us see where it says in qrand women are inferior to men?? It only says men are a degree better than women! No where see I told you.Qrand never says women are inferior to men.Qrand never says the witness of a woman is 1/2 that of man. Qrand never says a passing dog, donkey and woman anull the prayers. Qrand never says women have half the intelligence of a man.True indeed.As true as flat earth and splitting the moon concept.Shall we do a small exercise.Read Anwar sheikh's book.Islam Arab Nationalism.Read his web site. To simplfy your search please see and read below.
(2:228) "Men are a degree above them."
Women have rights that are similar to men, but men are "a degree above them."
equity. And call two witness from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not at hand, then a man and two women, of such as ye approve as witnesses, so that if one erreth (though forgetfulness) the other will remember.
Allah chargeth you concerning (the provision for) your children: to the male the equivalent of the portion of two females, and if there be women more than two, then theirs is two-thirds of the inheritance, and if there be one (only) then the half. And to each of his parents a sixth of the inheritance, if he have a son; and if
4:34 Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge ( means beat the crap out of them)them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, on LSD perhaps?
A husband can accuse his wife of adultery with only one witness. So much for women emancipation! Islam grants the arabic women in particular and moslem women in general the same status as brainless donkey.A passing dog, ass and woman anull prayer.Now please tell me where exactly was the information lacking?

Both ". proudkafir " & ".

Submitted by Allahmiyan (not verified) on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 10:38.

Both ". proudkafir " & ". Sundried Atheist " are right in their own way* Muslimahs are protected and treated by their owners" the Muslims " or one can call the Moscums the same way as their domesticated Animals such as Goats , Camels and Asses. There is nothing wrong in that . Only problem is their breeding system . What do you think will that produce? Moscums or Domesticated Animals?? Or just degenerate , Cretin Muslim Pigs? Who are getting slaughtered by pissed off Israelis( who are a victim of Islamic Jihad) in Gaza right now.

dear dr omar zia thank you

Submitted by hard as nailz (not verified) on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 11:06.

dear dr omar zia
thank you very much for your article. it was funny and sad at the same time. sad coz despite being so obvious the muzzies still persist that islam is the only true religion. funny coz when i think that after 1600 yrs of grovelling to allah all they can come up with is the falafah i have to laff and laff hard. maybe some time in the future the koran will be studied as a work of the comic genius called muhamad who just wanted to lighten the hard life of the tribal arabs and so he wrote the koran. but someone mistook this as a holy book and thats when the mess started. u said, u had to leave pukistan, travel to soddom arabia, pick up some stones and stone the devil. i think the devil is being paid by the rich sheiks to remain there so that business will always be good. why dun some muslim country like indon / pukistan buy the rights to devil and move him to indon so that millions will travel there to stone him and in the process make some money. stoning the devil is big money.

Dr Omar Zia, May I join you

Submitted by Licence to flush (not verified) on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 16:28.

Dr Omar Zia,

May I join you to interpret the 5 pillars from a point view of a kafir ?
1. Belief (Reciting Kulma)

Muslims believe there is a moon monster by the name of Allah who promoted as a creator 1400 years ago. So this Allah claimed that he created the entire universe including me and you and the earth. But according to Islamic calendar there are only 356 days in a year. Which is 9 days shorter. It proves if Allah is real he is certainly not all knowing, he lied about it. Therefore he must resign from the position of creator. Please let somebody who is more knowledgeable in astronomy to take over the job.

2. Prayers (5 mandatory prayers during the course of the day)

So Muslims in Gaza worship day and night, but they lost to Israelis soldiers in all the war who don't worship Allah. The same thing happen in Lebanon, when Israelis air force bombarded the entire country, Allah wasn't there to change the Lebanese's underwear. And yet they believe in Allah. Well I salute their stupidity.

3. Fasting (30 day mandatory period)

For 30 days they fast and yet it doesn't help to improve Muslims' economy status. Nor did such an useless ritual help Muslims to struggle out of their miseries. But it makes Muslims more violent when they are hungry. Maybe Mohammad wanted them to sin more during the month of Ramadan so that they could end up in hell sooner.

4. Zakat (2.5% alms given from ‘income’)

This is important, it helps the Islamic government to collect more money to buy missiles to shoot at Israel which will cause more miseries to Muslims in Gaza later. Besides they need this as an excuse to go riots on the streets so that the world knows the true teachings of Islam. Also this will help them to instill more hatred towards Jews whom they are always reminded as the top enemy under their list.

5. Hajj (Once a lifetime pilgrimage)

This is to make sure Muslims outside of Mecca do practice the true meaning of Islam just as Osama and suicide bombers. Without it, Muslims will probably use their wishful thinking to propagate moderate Islam or modern Islam which will divert from its original taste.

The stampede incident used to happen every year was supposed to be Islamic massage. It did help Muslims to relax their muscles after a tends week in shouting slogan to destroy Jews and kafir. But too sad, they over did it and became fatal.

The hajj is also a gathering of terrorists. The terrorist world wide gather during the Hajj every year to share and to improve their evil skills with each other. They make sure none of them will miss out the terrorism in the Quran as instructed by Mohammad 1400 years ago.

Dear Dr Omar Sir, I don't

Submitted by Kaffirji (not verified) on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 18:18.

Dear Dr Omar

Sir, I don't claim to know much about Islam but as a Non Muslim I see your logic. you are treasure sir, so do remain safe your work on earth has just but begun. Touch as many, so when the holocaust comes, and it shall, may most who seek but happiness especially in the subcontinent, be spared. The ones spared the blood shall sing your praise and the creator shall have a special place for you as does he for Mr Sina and the others, this I promise you.

Kaffirji You said "Sir, I

Submitted by Licence to flush (not verified) on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 19:16.

Kaffirji
You said "Sir, I don’t claim to know much about Islam but as a Non Muslim I see your logic. you are treasure sir, so do remain safe your work on earth has just but begun. Touch as many, so when the holocaust comes, and it shall, may most who seek but happiness especially in the subcontinent, be spared. The ones spared the blood shall sing your praise and the creator shall have a special place for you as does he for Mr Sina and the others, this I promise you."

How the creator have a special place for anybody when he wasn't seen in tsunami, earth quake and all the wars. God said Jews were the chose one but did you see the creator helping the poor Jews when Hitler killing 6 million of Jews ?

Mind tell us how are you going to promise that when your God failed to keep his promise in the Bible or Torah ?

Kaffirji do you normally lie cheaply or just for today you make an exception ?

A horray for cargo cult

Submitted by Islamophobic (not verified) on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 19:18.

A horray for cargo cult Islam!

Sundried Atheist wrote: "You

Submitted by Marie (not verified) on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 00:05.

Sundried Atheist wrote:

"You ignorant proudkafir, Islam does not teach that women are inferior. Women enjoy a lot of security and protection under Islam. Islam is the only system that has given women the rightful duties she deserves. Can you name a single unIslamic society where gender roles are still adhered to. Come on, we have to give Islam where it is due. If you look at western culture there is practically no difference between men and women. You find women do all sorts of things you would expect only men to do. Women should be kept in their proper places or they will come and sit on your head and gnaw at your ears. That’s the way they are by nature."

Women have the right to receive the same career opportunities and choices as men do. There is no reason as to why they should be forced to stay in the house all day, unless they want to become a stay at home mother and that is their choice as to whether they want to work outside the home or not. If you don't like this, then you can kiss my ass!

Excellent article from Dr. Zia.

I also agree that throwing stones at satan is the stupidest practice I ever heard of.

Hats off to you. Well

Submitted by muhammad (not verified) on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 00:22.

Hats off to you.
Well done
keep it up.

Marie, When you said "I also

Submitted by Licence to flush (not verified) on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 02:51.

Marie,

When you said "I also agree that throwing stones at satan is the stupidest practice I ever heard of."

Don't you think the Bible is stupid too by saying Earth is fixed and immoveable ? The Bible also said Earth was created 4000 years BC. What about the talking snake who framed Adam to eat the forbidden fruits, are these stupid too ?

Regarding what the Bible said about the shape of the earth, please read here,
Disregarding the dome, the essential flatness of the earth’s surface is required by verses like Daniel 4:10-11. In Daniel, the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth…reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth’s farthest bounds.” If the earth were flat, a sufficiently tall tree would be visible to “the earth’s farthest bounds,” but this is impossible on a spherical earth. Likewise, in describing the temptation of Jesus by Satan, Matthew 4:8 says, “Once again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world [cosmos] in their glory.” Obviously, this would be possible only if the earth were flat. The same is true of Revelation 1:7: “Behold, he is coming with the clouds! Every eye shall see him.

Some explain this as earth is flat, what do you think ? If the above isn't telling us earth is not flat how can a tree of great height at the centre of the earth ? Think Marie, think again . lol

Please look yourself in the mirror before you criticize anybody here ok ?

Marie wrote :"Women have the

Submitted by nurulhuda (not verified) on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 03:11.

Marie wrote :"Women have the right to receive the same career opportunities and choices as men do. There is no reason as to why they should be forced to stay in the house all day, unless they want to become a stay at home mother and that is their choice as to whether they want to work outside the home or not. If you don’t like this, then you can kiss my ass!"

How right you are Marie... that is one of the main reason I move away from Islam. I'm brought up as a muslim girl.....underwent all the rituals of a muslim/malay girl as expected from me...... until one day......anyway ive written my own story in the previous FF website, but one of the main factor that leads me to move away is when I'm being told "Allah listens to men then women...if you have even a 100 congregation of women performing the prayers, the whole prayers will come to nothing. Even if you have a small boy of 7 yrs to lead the prayer, Allah will listen" or so that is what I'm told. And I say : now hang on here.....you're telling me, Allah prefer men than women.....so what are we? I do not choose to be born a woman, but this does not mean that I can be treated unfairly this way. If this God call Allah I've been made to believe since my child is so unfair and 'punish' me just because I am a woman, I will not fall for this. Nay! I will not.

And then they threaten me : if you try to leave Islam we will hunt you down and kill you...we will embarress you. This is the kind of fear they try to instill in us The Apostate....but lets look at the logic here. If you really go through all this uproar about Apostate and their reaction, they themselves are divided. They are not even sure: one faction say : kill..... why? because this is what Muhammad say... so its justified to Kill.... another faction say : no you should not kill why? because this is what Muhammad did....he did not hunt the apostate when they come to him and say they want to leave......so his action say " leave them alone". Now look at the whole thing shall we. They depend on the action of one man to justify their reason without looking at the logic of it. Muhammad's action itself is full of contradiction. He says something else and he does another. He is never consistent. This is what creates all the confusion and the division within his own people.

Another try to reason with me: everyday millions of people convert to Islam........ the fastest growing religion etc etc.
This whole statement reminds me of mass production process in a factory line. You have a lot of quantity but no quality. When you put the product for Quality Controls they fail miserably because there's so many defect. So I am not impress with such statement.

I did not become an apostate because somebody like Ali Sina convince me. I am who I am today because of my own conscious. I have seen and hear what there is need to be seen and heard and this is my conviction "Violence comes about when there is separation. Separation breeds conflict. There will always be violence as long as humans are capable of segregating each other based on religion, race or language. When one began to differentiate themselves and believing that they are different from the other, and that they are above everybody else. When one particular religion advocating that they are the only one to possess the right to the so called Truth Path or Heaven is itself an act of violence. Thus to abolish violence committed in the name of religion, is to abolish the basic principles/pillars adhered to these religions." One of the fundamentals of Islam is founded on the act of violence. If you look at several website of muslims who claim to be peaceful.. they say they are against violence means but if you look at their mission statement they specifically said " We believe Islam is the only path to salvation". This whole word "the only" is itself an act of violence. Not until the muslim able to say it out in the open "We believe Islam is ONE of the path to salvation" I don't think so Islam can be considered as a peaceful religion.

Did anyone go through their own version of declaration of human rights? The same statement.... people do not want to embrace Islam because they are ignorant. and Islam is the only path to salvation. This is their form of Human right !

Thank you for listening to my ramplings......
Hey! the black cat loving Nurul is back..

Nurulhuda, Are you the

Submitted by Licence to flush (not verified) on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 08:36.

Nurulhuda,

Are you the female swimmer once so famous in ASEAN game? As I still recall her name was something like Nurulhuda Abdullah. She won many medals for her own country Malaysia during that time.

Remember this well, you are not yet saved until you have learnt that God is not real. Look at Cindy Dry, she converted from a donkey into a pig. And after 10 years she was tired of being a pig and decided to resume back her original identity as a donkey. I hope you don't follow her ignorance.

Anyway I presume you are from Malaysia and the Asian Muslims are so busy to protest on the street over the war in Gaza. But none of them ask themselves if Allah is real and he created Israel and Gaza why did he let the Jews killing the Muslims who honor and worship him day and night ? Will you ask them for me ? Could you please tell them that if they want to go against violence please start from Hamas, Osama and Islam ?

Hey there .......the

Submitted by Nurulhuda (not verified) on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 09:03.

Hey there .......the flusher.....

1] No I am not the famous Nurulhuda Abdullah the swimmer. I am Nurulhuda the Registered Nurse from Singapore. I believe I've just answered your other question.
2] No I do not become a pig because somebody says I must be a pig. I become a pig because I love porky pig. I'm 46 yrs old. I've started this journey of mine at the age of 21. You see I believe that you must take responsibility in your action. Do not blame others for your own weakness.

With regards to weather God is real or not, its all depend on each person perception. If you believe its not real and an illusion then you are entitle to your own opinion. I will not say you are right or wrong. its your own opinion. I am entitle to my own. I do not believe in trying to push my own ideology down on other people's throat. You're act of insisting on others to agree to you is itself an act of violence. What difference are you from those fundies?

I am not here as other people's messenger. I'm from Singapore and i have read all those protest in malaysia. Its their country and they can react any way they want. Why would I want to tell them anything about Hamas or Osama.? its like hitting the ball against the wall... it will bounce back to me. I have better things to do.

Cheers!

Thank you Nurulhuda for

Submitted by proudkafir (not verified) on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 09:26.

Thank you Nurulhuda for sharing your thoughts.
Its important to remember the worst affected due to this evil islam are , kafirs and islamic women and children.Its high time the muslimahs come out openly and start burning their hijabs and abayas( Burkhas for asian moscums) A bit like bra burning in the west that liberated the women.i am waiting for the day when hijabs, burkhas and bras are burnt by the muslimahs.that will be the day of rennaiasance and islam will perish.Islam is evil any which way you look at it and froma woman 's perspective, its evil quadrupled. Educate muslimahs free and you will see the demise of islam.Most moscums are very insecure with educated women, particularly if they happen to be muslimahs as well and educated and english speaking. These educated muslimahs do not believe that the their hymen is for sale! that compounds the insecurity of moscums.

very nice story ......NOT

Submitted by fez (not verified) on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 14:40.

very nice story ......NOT

you perfect grammar shows

Submitted by fez (not verified) on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 14:46.

you perfect grammar shows that you are not from pakistan or youre parents spent a lot of time on private schools in which case you wouldnt be this retarted and besides do even know how shitty pakistani internet it

nurulhuda wrote: How right

Submitted by Marie (not verified) on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 21:50.

nurulhuda wrote:

How right you are Marie… that is one of the main reason I move away from Islam. I’m brought up as a muslim girl…..underwent all the rituals of a muslim/malay girl as expected from me…… until one day……anyway ive written my own story in the previous FF website, but one of the main factor that leads me to move away is when I’m being told “Allah listens to men then women…if you have even a 100 congregation of women performing the prayers, the whole prayers will come to nothing. Even if you have a small boy of 7 yrs to lead the prayer, Allah will listen” or so that is what I’m told. And I say : now hang on here…..you’re telling me, Allah prefer men than women…..so what are we? I do not choose to be born a woman, but this does not mean that I can be treated unfairly this way. If this God call Allah I’ve been made to believe since my child is so unfair and ‘punish’ me just because I am a woman, I will not fall for this. Nay! I will not.

And then they threaten me : if you try to leave Islam we will hunt you down and kill you…we will embarress you. This is the kind of fear they try to instill in us The Apostate….but lets look at the logic here. If you really go through all this uproar about Apostate and their reaction, they themselves are divided. They are not even sure: one faction say : kill….. why? because this is what Muhammad say… so its justified to Kill…. another faction say : no you should not kill why? because this is what Muhammad did….he did not hunt the apostate when they come to him and say they want to leave……so his action say ” leave them alone”. Now look at the whole thing shall we. They depend on the action of one man to justify their reason without looking at the logic of it. Muhammad’s action itself is full of contradiction. He says something else and he does another. He is never consistent. This is what creates all the confusion and the division within his own people.

Another try to reason with me: everyday millions of people convert to Islam…….. the fastest growing religion etc etc.
This whole statement reminds me of mass production process in a factory line. You have a lot of quantity but no quality. When you put the product for Quality Controls they fail miserably because there’s so many defect. So I am not impress with such statement.

Excellent commentary and I totally agree with you sister.

I did not become an apostate because somebody like Ali Sina convince me. I am who I am today because of my own conscious. I have seen and hear what there is need to be seen and heard and this is my conviction “Violence comes about when there is separation. Separation breeds conflict. There will always be violence as long as humans are capable of segregating each other based on religion, race or language. When one began to differentiate themselves and believing that they are different from the other, and that they are above everybody else. When one particular religion advocating that they are the only one to possess the right to the so called Truth Path or Heaven is itself an act of violence. Thus to abolish violence committed in the name of religion, is to abolish the basic principles/pillars adhered to these religions.” One of the fundamentals of Islam is founded on the act of violence. If you look at several website of muslims who claim to be peaceful.. they say they are against violence means but if you look at their mission statement they specifically said ” We believe Islam is the only path to salvation”. This whole word “the only” is itself an act of violence. Not until the muslim able to say it out in the open “We believe Islam is ONE of the path to salvation” I don’t think so Islam can be considered as a peaceful religion.

To be honest with you I believe it is humans who separate each other out of pure foolishness and ignorance. It is humans who cause hatred and violence, not extrinsic factors. It is intrinsic factors that drives humans to commit atrocities against each other.

Did anyone go through their own version of declaration of human rights? The same statement…. people do not want to embrace Islam because they are ignorant. and Islam is the only path to salvation. This is their form of Human right !

Thank you for listening to my ramplings……
Hey! the black cat loving Nurul is back..

You go girl.

P.S. There is only one race on this planet and that is the human race.

fez Says: "you perfect

Submitted by Nurulhuda (not verified) on Wed, 01/14/2009 - 02:53.

fez Says: "you perfect grammar shows that you are not from pakistan or youre parents spent a lot of time on private schools in which case you wouldnt be this retarted and besides do even know how shitty pakistani internet it"

Yes you are right, I am definitely not from Pakistan. I've nurse a pakistani patient before who came to Singapore for medical Treatment. I dumb the patient and her husband because they think just because they pay me they could do anything they want. When they couldn't get other private nurse to come and nurse the patient, they wanted to pay me extra. Its all about money. They think because of the money they could do anything they want and get away with it. I told the husband : go and fly kite.

No my parent did not send me to private school. I go to the public school like all the other Singapore children. I am not born with a silver spoon. We are from the working class people and I work to pay for my own education, no free hands out.

No I think its you who is retardation. But I shall forgive you for using such words because its all the effect of this process of Islamization : you are spiritual slave and will continue to be one. Thus you can never understand the freedom we all have enjoyed. You can never understand the true meaning of freedom. Your form of escape is intimidation, ridiculing and violence.

forget what i said about

Submitted by fez (not verified) on Wed, 01/14/2009 - 16:46.

forget what i said about grammar i guess its not perfect "No I think its you who is retardation."just like you i had never heard the word retard until i came to ireland so this has absolutely noting to to with islam.
so to simplify thank you for proving youre self wrong you saved me a lot of trobule.

"Your form of escape is

Submitted by fez (not verified) on Wed, 01/14/2009 - 16:48.

"Your form of escape is intimidation, ridiculing and violence." i have not once ever been in a fight with anyone at all i have always been the person who is intimidated ridiculed and violence wtf do you think this website is doing it sure as hell ising saving the earth from global warming lol and adopting little kittens.

SUNDRIED ATHEIST: I hope you

Submitted by Incognito (not verified) on Wed, 01/14/2009 - 22:26.

SUNDRIED ATHEIST: I hope you were joking when you said...

fez Says: " do you think this

Submitted by Nurulhuda (not verified) on Thu, 01/15/2009 - 03:50.

fez Says: " do you think this website is doing"

This website is doing just that.....exposing the virulent nature of this whole process of Islamization. Islamization is like the HIV virus. Its dangerous and need to be contain. People need to be inform... especially those who are going to or about to get themselves married to the Muslims.... they must be made aware. They must be told of the effect of their action.......this is what we call inform consent. If the muslims are the truth as they claim to be, why should they be afraid to be expose?

"to simplify thank you for proving youre self wrong you saved me a lot of trobule."
No I dont think so I am wrong. I think its you who are wrong and you refuse to admit it. Just like many you are in the denial stage. All this are the effect of mental conditioning and I term is Spiritual Slavery. Can never understand not because you dont want to but because you are being condition as such. So please dont thank me.... thank Ali Sina and the others here. Their work will not come to waste because the truth need to be told to the people like yourself. Perhaps who knows one day you will too realise how right we are. Its all a matter of time.

allah's not a being.Allah's

Submitted by imperial (not verified) on Thu, 01/15/2009 - 12:27.

allah's not a being.Allah's a god, a god who created everything(the whole universe)!...and as far i could understand you ,you do not belive in god !.hmm then tell me why are we here?, is it just a big coensidence? .. take as example just the eye the whole complexity in it.. or the DNA its constant rules building a gene ..or the atoms..or or or!..do you think thats just a coensidence ? i think not...then we got this question again why are we here ?...whats the sense of life?...this and much more it is writen in the holy quran !...in quran are even the laws of nature explained in detail..and many many other things that just the 21th century scinence agree with it! then how could a man (in this case muhammed ).know all these things he couldnt even read or write !...and as i can see this web is like an antimuslim forum !...you spend much more time to specified muslims during the muslim history.. ...dont even respect them if u want..but soner or later you all will understand that there's only one god who created everyone and everything !.. may god bles you all..( for my opinion you all there have been brainwashed by your goverment cause you watch the news you see there a kamikaz attack and you say oo damn with all those muslim terorists ..and you judge every muslim !..but that is not correct..even the muslims hate osama bin laden and if they could they would smash his head into a wall but this is another story ..so dont judge every muslim. even god dont judge before death ..

imperial, I agree with you.

Submitted by Licence to flush (not verified) on Thu, 01/15/2009 - 14:19.

imperial,

I agree with you. Allah created everything.

1. Allah created Bush the ex-president who enjoying killing Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq with the helps from Allah

2. Allah created Israel and Jews who make Allah proud to defeat Muslims in Gaza and Lebanon.

3. Allah created the Pentagon, which is the most important place for Allah to chair meetings to decide with American and Jews on how to kill Muslims massively.

4. Allah created all the Israelis missiles and war planes for just one purpose .... that is to destroy MUSLIMS. Allah guided the Israelis missiles in Gaza. Did you see that ? Boy that was awesome. I love Allah.

5. Allah created Japan, Korea, Hong Kong and Taiwan who love to eat pork and do fantastically better than any Islamic countries in terms of economy, science, living standard & environment and education.

Note : Living environment is subjective, the people of Pakistan and Iraq love to live with everyday bombing. Which is something we can't tolerate.

6. Allah created NASA to make the kafir proud and to show to the world those who learn the Quran will only excel in suicide bombing, beheading and burning flags.

7. Allah created nuclear war head for Israel and America and Europe and China. But Allah slows down Iran's plan in making nuclear weapons. However Allah allows Muslims to nude instead of nuke.

imperial I could go on and on and on and on and on .........................until Islam is completely destroyed by kafir. But that won't please Allah's plan to destroy Islam yet. Allah just can't wait to kill all Muslims in Gaza. Just read the news, eventually Allah who teamed up with Israel and America will win. And Muslims will ...... as usual .....do I have to tell you the results ? Do I ?

Islamization is like the HIV

Submitted by fez (not verified) on Thu, 01/15/2009 - 21:36.

Islamization is like the HIV virus then i must be getting luky every night lol scratch that im getting lucky 5 times a day this is my new motto "JOIN ISLAM ACCORDING TO Nurulhuda YOU CAN DO IT 5 TIMES A DAY "

Licence to flush i think you

Submitted by fez (not verified) on Thu, 01/15/2009 - 21:40.

Licence to flush i think you need to get youre head checked allah osent control what people do he gave us free will if we dont get what we want not atleast we will get it in heaven

fez, According to you, Allah

Submitted by Licence to flush (not verified) on Fri, 01/16/2009 - 01:09.

fez,

According to you, Allah gave freewill to Israel to kill Muslims in Gaza. Muslims are dying and Allah won't care, Is that merciful ? But if Atheist goes to heaven he cares ? Is that merciful ?

So fez you mustn't protest against the war and killing in Gaza. Because it is Allah's will to do that right ? You must happily accepted the war there and watching your Muslims brother and sister killed according to Allah's will ok ?

Again it is still Allah's will to kill all the Muslims based on your logic.

Thank you and you must say the slogan ok ? Jews Akbar, Israel Akbar

fez Says: "Islamization is

Submitted by Nurulhuda (not verified) on Fri, 01/16/2009 - 02:51.

fez Says: "Islamization is like the HIV virus then i must be getting luky every night lol scratch that im getting lucky 5 times a day this is my new motto “JOIN ISLAM ACCORDING TO Nurulhuda YOU CAN DO IT 5 TIMES A DAY “

You see this is the only thing you can come up with? What happen to your brain to come up with some rational argument. Now you must agree with me : this whole Islamization has hinder your capability to think rationally. All you ever did is to ridicule and belittle others who question. You cant even come up with a logical eexplanation. I rest my case here... fez is a classical example of the effect of Islamization.

Imperial Says” allah’s not a

Submitted by Nurulhuda (not verified) on Fri, 01/16/2009 - 03:24.

Imperial Says” allah’s not a being.Allah’s a god, a god who created everything(the whole universe)!…and as far i could understand you ,you do not belive in god !”

You see, not everybody here says they do not believe in God. Please remember that.

“hmm then tell me why are we here?, is it just a big coensidence? .. take as example just the eye the whole complexity in it.. or the DNA its constant rules building a gene ..or the atoms..or or or!..do you think thats just a coensidence ? i think not…then we got this question again why are we here ?…whats the sense of life?…”

So you tell me why are we here? To kill each other… to segretate each other … to create this whole state of “I am more superior than you”. This is what this God Allah has done?

You see I do not ask “Why I am here.. what is the purpose of my being here” that question is irrelevant. Instead I am asking myself “ I am here now … at this moment in time this is what I am and what I have become… what can I do to make this remainding journey of mine more meaningful. What can I do to contribute to humanity to make this life time peaceful” That is why I am here in this forum, because I have seen the terrible effect of this Islamization. Instead of just sitting and do nothing, I believe in doing something about it. You so call peaceful Muslim choose not to do anything and allowing your religion to be hijack by radicals who have cause so much suffereing and advocating injustice. The greatest mistake is not doing anything when you know something is not right.

“and many many other things that just the 21th century scinence agree with it! then how could a man (in this case muhammed ).know all these things he couldnt even read or write !…”

Nothing new about this claim. Have you not read about a Chinese lady in china, who have never heard of India what more the language Sanskrit, but able to recite the Sanskrit scriptures. Can you explain that? But again, I doubt you ever read anything other than what is being feed to you or what you want to read. All those so call miracles or the “future” prediction of Mohammad too are nothing new. Have you ever heard of Nadi Astrology. Now I challenge you and other muslims to go through this http://jyotisha.00it.com/Nadi.htm before you start boasting about Mohammad and his so call superior prediction.

“for my opinion you all there have been brainwashed by your goverment cause you watch the news you see there a kamikaz attack and you say oo damn with all those muslim terorists ..and you judge every muslim !..but that is not correct..even the muslims hate osama bin laden and if they could they would smash his head into a wall but this is another story ..so dont judge every muslim. even god dont judge before death .”

No you see my Singapore Government never brainwash me. In fact they allow us to practice our freedom of choice in whatever religion we choose. If you want to become a Muslim and then later a Christian, or a Buddhist or a Hindu, they care not as long as you do not create trouble for others, unlike in many Muslim countries. There is no freedom of religious practice. Just like the Judge in Malaysia who admits: there is no such thing as freedom in choice as far as religion is concern in Malaysia for the Malays. They even put it in their constitution.

People generalize because those entire terrorist are Muslim. They admit it themselves. You want to explain that to us.

So what have you done about this bad Muslim…..these Muslim who have given you all the bad name. What are your actions? Since you don’t want to do anything about it, we take the necessary action. So why are you all so pissed off with us?

“even the muslims hate osama bin laden and if they could they would smash his head into a wall”

Do you need such violent act……to smash somebody head against the wall….is that all you ever think of to solve any problem….. bashing, smashing, killing…etc. Can’t you all think of a better way?

well..i posted my first

Submitted by imperial (not verified) on Fri, 01/16/2009 - 12:36.

well..i posted my first coment before i read ali sina's letters !...and as hard it is im convinced !...i remember once i asked a friend of mine what if muhammed wrote the quran by his self because there are many mistakes...( there are also many scientific things) he said dont ask such questions or else u will go to hell . Hmm..jus as ali sina says the only argument the muslims have is " belive or you will go to hell" that scares people "HELL" and fear is a powerful feeling ..so powerfull that makes people kill themself and other people (suicide bombers) and people that cant control theirselves their fears they are dangerous for all man kind ..we must get rid of them ..you probably thinking what da hell is wrong with this guy (me) yesterday he wrote allah is the creator bla bla and now he is saying we must get rid of the mslims you may think there's a CIA agent who is holding a gun in his head. !...NO here isnt a cia agent ..im just "FREE" now and i hope other muslims will be free as me soon ...YOU muslims out there i sugest you to read ali sinas debates with scholar and you'll find there everything you ever wanted to know that you couldn't ask bacause you'd might be thrown in jail..before is too late i sugest you to read that stuf or else humanity will have a war that CAN NOT survive ! think about it 1.2 bilion muslims ( and that number is growing every) day against the whole world 1.2 billion programed killer machines the resulft would be fatal and we all know the islamic countrys want to dominate the world ..the others cant let that hapen so get rid of islam , islam is evil get rid of it or the world will get rid not just only islam but also the MUSLIMS

imperial, First and

Submitted by Licence to flush (not verified) on Fri, 01/16/2009 - 12:58.

imperial,

First and foremost, congratulations on wiping your ass with the Quran. At least you don't have to worry about being hunt like a dog by Allah anymore since you are not a Muslims.

Regarding the scientific in Islam, please read here http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=20...

If you are too busy then ask yourself this. If you were Allah, should you know how many days it takes for earth to make one full circle ? Everybody except Muslims knows there are 365 1/4 days in a year. And it is the accurate way to measure date. But according to Islamic calendar which is the lunar calendar and inaccurately it gives only 356 days in a year. Now tell me how can a creator fails in such a simple general knowledge. Do you think Allah knows science if he didn't know how to measure date accurately ?

Besides let's find out Allah's mathematic skill ok ?

Mathematical error: Suras 4:11-12 and 4:176 state the Qur'anic inheritance law. If a man dies, and leaves behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together (both according to verse 4:11) and 1/8 for the wife (4:12) which adds up to more than the available estate (a 12.5% error). Another example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, and they receive 1/3 (mother, 4:11), 1/4 (wife, 4:12) and 2/3 (the two sisters, 4:176), which totals up to 15/12 of the available property, which is a huge 25% error.

Lastly ask yourself, if Allah don't want us to eat pork why he created pigs for us ? This will be easily explained if Allah is not the creator. As simple as ABC.