Infidel Task Force Interviews Ali Sina

Great article.

Well done Dr.Sina.To read your articles are always pleasure for me.

Dear Dr. Sina,

You are performing a great service to humanity by raising awareness about the truth of Islam, and its dangers to humanity. However, sometimes I disagree with your approach and attitude, for example, when you say in your interview: "To hell with their sentiments". I hope you will agree such a statement borders on haughtiness, and will dilute the effectiveness of your campaign. Perhaps what you meant to say that the truth will be unpleasent to Muslims because of their conditioning from childhood, but it has to be told nevertheless to rescue them from Islam.

I greatly admire you for the mission that you have undertaken, so I hope you will take this small bit to criticism in the right spirit.

Best wishes.

Dear Mr. Sina,

Thank you providing so much detail and exposing Islam. I really do appriceate your work and wish we could do more then just read and try to convince someone. I sent you a email about advertising in Radios, Tv, and Cinemas not publicly of course. Also it would help if you could write us all a letter for a male muslim and a letter for the female muslims, so we can do is send our friends, family etc anonymously for them to read it and to start doubting islam. I am not well learned like you and there a many like me, so i am asking for a template just one and we can send this to anyone we know without having to think what to write or how to write?

Thank you for all your help and I wish one day we can live in a world with no Evil.

Best Wishes

Ayhan

Excellent article, Thanks for this.

One can explore the true agenda of Islam from this Interview without having to go long articles and full website. In fact I have forwarded this link to couple of my friends around the world.

to hell with their sensitivity!, why should we give a damn about their sensitivity when they don't give a damn about by standers who get blown away by suicide bomber.

what pains me is those who are 'moderate' muslims and do education have also kept the ideology alive by not junking this evil faith. Even many muslims come to the sites like this, write in angry tone and still remain in the cult.

Thank you,Ali Sina for sharing the truth with humanity.

God bless you!
Dios te bendiga!

Yes IbnSahr, true,

And their sensitivity is about a man, who has been dead for 1377 years, a man they love more than a father, uncle, brother. About whom all sorts of stories they have been told. But whom they in reality do not know very well and, could not have known in reality, only in stories. And they have no sensitivity for honestly searching for what truly might have happened in history. So they love someone who was not really as he was portrayed to them and they don't want to hear the rest of what we know about him. And we regard that as unreasonable. I mean, of course people love their father, uncle, brother, but a man, whose existence is not really known to them, whose life-story is so very controversial, why love him so much?!

Sina, that was a great one and I'm at awe at your consistently excellent writing and debating skills but more so with your divine mission to bring Islam to an end. You are an "Apostle to the Muslims" whether you like it or not.

This job is not easy. It requires thorough patience, absolute dedication and missionary zeal to achieve a single successful deconversion of an utterly indoctrinated muslim since his/her mama's knees times. It's just wonders me that it is easy to deconvert a Christian but not anyone muslim, even the most naive one.

The fact that you have this trio package of zeal, dedication and patience and that you have achieved to bring thousands of muslims to the "land of milk and honey" in a short span of time is really mind-boggling on my part and surely it will not be undeserved if I say to you are an Apostle to the muslims. My hat off to you guy.

You say:

To hell with their sensitivities. (Your words)

You say this simply because you don't believe what Muslims believe and so you feel that you are exhonerated for saying this.

Now, Then, What is wrong with Muslims saying the same thing then because they dont believe what you believe?

Muslims can say "To hell with your secular, democratic or atheistic beliefs and your sensitivities regarding the same"

Please explain HOW you are any different or better than the Muslims you so hate then? Because you are just as indifferent to them as you claim they are to you.

The thing is, you see, Ali Sina has left Islam and his insecurities are protruding through this website like torrents of water, His very mind is displayed on his website, so this is a great blessing for Muslims and they should not get angry or frantic about the disgusting way Ali Sina ruthlessly attacks a large proportion of humanity. They should simply read his articles, his debates, his interviews because they speak volumes about his own mindset and his insecurities and the source of his hatred of Islam. There something about Islam (that spark of truth) that he cannot get rid of. To some degree it is also "simple jealousy" (e.g. How can this animal equate Barrack Obama with Hitler!!!!!) Did any of you people even raise an eyebrow to this comparison? Did you? Why does he so hate popular people? Why? (he may actually himself be a victim of what he accuses Muhammad of - a Narcisist). He is the one who resembles the cult leader and ALL of you who cheer him on unquestionably are the gullible cult followers - My appeal to all of you people is "Please use your own brains objectively" because Ali sina needs Islam to be completely destroyed without a trace so that his OWN mind can be at peace in the knowledge that Islam is not a TRUE DIVINE revelation. If I was him I wouldn't hold my breath because Islam will not be wiped out in our lifetimes (i'm just being realistic).

To Proudchristian

You said:

It’s just wonders me that it is easy to deconvert a Christian but not anyone muslim, even the most naive one.

I say:

It appears that God has blessed many Muslims with that thing called "certainty of faith" which Christians lack,

Kabirlaw,

You can say anything you want about secular belief, Christian belief, Hindu belief, or any belief, but don’t kill them. Don’t abuse their human rights and don’t try to impose your belief on them by force.

We are not asking Muslims to be sensitive to anyone’s belief. We are asking them not to murder people with different beliefs, not to violate their rights or freedom not to believe in Islam and leave it if they choose so.
You have been around enough to know what we are preaching. Please don’t try to be willfully ignorant.
Instead of commenting on a phrase that you picked form another comment you should spend some time and read the interview. Who knows! Maybe you too can learn something and become enlightened.

To Ali Sina

You said:

You can say anything you want about secular belief, Christian belief, Hindu belief, or any belief, but don’t kill them.

I say:

Thank you for the offer, but, leaving constructive criticism aside, there are many people who profess these beliefs who are considerate about others belief's and who would be hurt if I made derogatory remarks against their faiths for the sake of it and for the sole reason that I do not possess their beliefs (not everyone is an Ali Sina, some people actually value their beliefs). Moreover, I don't really think you have the authority to speak on behalf of ALL secularists, Christians and Hindus (see how the narcisist tendencies come through).

You also said:

Don’t abuse their human rights and don’t try to impose your belief on them by force.

I say:

Well, quite simply, I don't.

You then said:

We are not asking Muslims to be sensitive to anyone’s belief. We are asking them not to murder people with different beliefs, not to violate their rights or freedom not to believe in Islam and leave it if they choose so.
You have been around enough to know what we are preaching. Please don’t try to be willfully ignorant.
Instead of commenting on a phrase that you picked form another comment you should spend some time and read the interview. Who knows! Maybe you too can learn something and become enlightened.

I say:

Straight from your interview:

ITF:

Will it not offend their sensitivity?

Sina:

To hell with their sensitivity! Tell the truth and save their lives.

I say: It looks like you need to re-read your OWN interview before you accuse me of being willfully ignorant.

Kabirlaw:

You Say:

Now, Then, What is wrong with Muslims saying the same thing then because they dont believe what you believe?

Muslims can say “To hell with your secular, democratic or atheistic beliefs and your sensitivities regarding the same”

Me:

Islam is not only saying this for hundreds of years but doing everything in their power to destroy other faiths and hurting their sentiments. To verify this, you do not need to go to any website but Koran. And do not forget that you are the person who has tried to justify Jazia taxes in this 21st century on some other thread, and now you are talking about Muslim sentiments. Do not show your Hypocrisy.

You say:

My appeal to all of you people is “Please use your own brains objectively” because Ali sina needs Islam to be completely destroyed without a trace so that his OWN mind can be at peace in the knowledge that Islam is not a TRUE DIVINE revelation.

Me:
Do you believe a person like Prophet Mohammad, who had been engaged in every unsocial activity, can really reveal a true religion? Now a person like you , whose ancestor were the victims of Jazia taxes, forceful marriage, Islamic rapes etc are talking about the divinity of Islam.

Now Islamic scholar are trying to use the references from Hindu and Buddhist religion, to prove that Mohammad was the last said prophet as they have no other way to do so. This is not a simple act of Hypocrisy, as in reality Hindus and Buddhist have only two choices, either convert or die according to Islam. Man you go and get your brain examined instead of calling someone Animal, who did nothing but brought out the true hidden agenda of Islam.

Prophet Mohammad is the Humanoid animal who had played with sensitivity of every non Islamic religion.

I am waiting for the day when Muslim scholar would say openly: “To hell with your secular, democratic or atheistic beliefs and your sensitivities regarding the same” .
Trust me that would be the turning point when true Muslims will be forced to leave the non Islamic countries and would end up in deserts. Trust me these Hypocrites will never say this thing in the very near future.

To Kafir123

You ranted, nothing constructive but you said:

Man you go and get your brain examined instead of calling someone Animal, who did nothing but brought out the true hidden agenda of Islam.

I say:

And he has called Muslims worse things (Muslims who have probably never even hurt a soul in their entire lives). And, because he very inexplicably equates barrack obama to Hitler!!!! etc etc etc I called him an animal for a reason and I stick by what I said.

You then said:

I am waiting for the day when Muslim scholar would say openly: “To hell with your secular, democratic or atheistic beliefs and your sensitivities regarding the same” .
Trust me that would be the turning point when true Muslims will be forced to leave the non Islamic countries and would end up in deserts. Trust me these Hypocrites will never say this thing in the very near future.

I say:

And this is coming from people like you who hide behind psedonyms for names, hurl abuse at Muslims over the internet, live in hiding in the real world covertly being anti-muslim and act up the display of courage when you know you are at a safe distant from a Muslim. Well done.

Kabirlaw

You Say:
And he has called Muslims worse things (Muslims who have probably never even hurt a soul in their entire lives). And, because he very inexplicably equates barrack obama to Hitler!!!! etc etc etc I called him an animal for a reason and I stick by what I said.

Me:
Non Muslims have nothing against the Muslims but discriminatory Islamic teachings.

Just for equating you call him Animal, than what would you call Prophet Mohammad for his excellent social activities? And what would you call your self for agreeing with the discriminatory preaching of Islam?

You say:
And this is coming from people like you who hide behind pseudonyms for names, hurl abuse at Muslims over the internet, live in hiding in the real world covertly being anti-Muslim and act up the display of courage when you know you are at a safe distant from a Muslim. Well done.

Me:
I say exactly the same thing about you except the last line, as it simply shows the intolerant nature of Islam.

Kabiralw,

It is okay to criticize any faith even if it hurts people’s feelings. Feelings are not sacrosanct. Muslims do hurt people’s feelings by denigrating their religion. A good example is the severed head of the cow I showed in this article which you did not read. That was intended to hurt the religious sentiment of the Hindus in a most gory and grotesque way. But that is not my point, even though I find it disgusting. My point is that Muslim do not just content themselves with hurting the feelings of the people of other faiths but also abuse their human rights to the point of killing them.

Beliefs don’t need any protection. They are there to be criticized. Those who hold to their beliefs should either be able to defend them logically or renounce them. If they prefer to stick to their illogical belief they can do so but they have no right to tell others to be silent. Religious people believe in God and creation. The evolutionists don’t. Does this mean the evolutionists should be silenced because what they say is offensive to the creationists? Anything you say may be offensive to someone. I like Dr. Mossadq and I was offended when a Jewish woman out of sheer ignorance berated him. I wrote an article to refute her and asked her to reconsider her views. She decided to stick to her irrational belief. That is fine with me. I just don’t consider her to be a smart woman. But I am not going to kill her. I simply don’t waste my time reading her articles. I already saw her lack of dedication to truth and her desire to remain in her comfort zone. People like that don’t teach me anything and I am not going to waste my time on them. That is what you should do if you are offended by what I write. First write an intelligent article to refute what I say. You have not done that. Then stop reading my articles and avoid this site. But you cannot tell us that we should not speak our mind because your sensitivity can be hurt.

The problem is that Muslims’ sensitivity is more delicate than rose petal but their hearts are harder than stone. That is a dangerous combination, especially when accompanied with a brain that is shacked by faith and is virtually paralyzed.

You say you don’t abuse the human rights of non-Muslims. But I am not critiquing you. I am critiquing Islam and Muhammad and what the devout Muslims do under the influence of Islam.

Kabirlaw,

About "to hell with their sensitivities". Mahmoud Ahmadinejad certainly seems to think so about the feelings of the Jews. He denied that the Holocaust happened and said many other vile things about the Jews.

Now if you were truly neutral, independent, caring about the feelings of innocent people, from whatever religion, you would much more criticize Ahmadinejad, who said much worse things, or else show a little bit more understanding for Ali Sina. But I think you are just in it to defend your own religion, and the feelings of Muslims, not to defend all victims of insults, regardless of religion.

Demsci,

Forget Ahmadinejad, didn't Muhammad destroy the idols of the Meccans? Wasn't that an insult to their faith? Of course Muhamamd had no right to destroy the temple of the Pagans. That was their belief and he had no respect for their belief or their sensitivity. I am not asking to destroy the mosques or the sacred places of Muslims. I am simply using my right to say what i wish to say. If it hurts, the relief is only a click away.

Kabirlaw did not read the interview. He simply picked one line from a comment someone posted here while quoting me. Even the person who posted this line said the same thing that I said, but in a less dramatic way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsX6LYdNBNw ; This is the face of real islam. They attack religious places of other faiths and resort to riots. This incident happened yesterday at a place called Miraj in India.

Kabirlaw
***And he has called Muslims worse things (Muslims who have probably never even hurt a soul in their entire lives). And, because he very inexplicably equates barrack obama to Hitler!!!! etc etc etc I called him an animal for a reason and I stick by what I said***

then why muslim pigs who lives half world away from israel, and never met any jew before have to hate jew, and willing to blown themself up for people they never met. Because its written in filthy quran?

and i called allah pedo mo's c*ck is for a reason, god never promoting and soliciting sex when he speaks through moses and jesus, so now you know who allah really is

Yes, Mr. Sina, thank you for your reaction, I agree with you.

We on FFI/ IW/ Jihad Wathc etc. practice freedom of speech, and are vowed never to use violence, coercion, only verbal arguments and critiques, which indeed can be very harsh on sensitivities. But we want to play only with fair democratic rules. And those who don’t like it, are certainly not forced to read what we write or to visit here at all.

But we are now well informed here at FFI, about scriptures of Islam, behavior of many Muslims, especially those in power. Also of what Muslims ordered Christians and Jews to pay, how to behave vis-à-vis Muslims.
From its inception Islam did commit violence, coercion, oppression and thus trampled all over the sensitivities of the followers of other beliefs. Of those who survived the first onslaught of their invasion, that is, and of those that were enslaved, raped, and of those that did not convert to Islam as a matter of survival and convenience.

Even today, in Islamic countries, even Western countries, conversions out of Islam, are met with executions, imprisonment, huge intimidation. And in the total of the reverse too! That to me, is hurting the sensitivities of the followers of other beliefs most of all.

Of course much of what Muslims are accused of was also perpetrated by followers of other beliefs and it can be seen as universal human behavior in a big part. But that still means that many Muslims, did it also, and Islam did not stop it at all, only increased it, it seems. This knowledge should render Muslims much more humble and modest about Islam and in the power they want Islam to hold over other people, without fair elections, anywhere.

And if Muslims now complain about their sensitivities being hurt, then in order to use single standards, they should look at the behavior of Muslims towards others, in past and present, also and try to reach improvement across the board, so also in their own backyards.

So let Muslims or ex-Muslims (one way or the other) agree with us in future: OK, no more violence, force, oppression, only fair rules. And for both sexes, please. And total freedom of speech, in a 2-way-street. And total freedom of conversion in a 2-way-street too. And worldwide, so in future, in the end, also in the now Islamic Countries, primary among them: Iran.

Sorry, typo, I meant in the total absence of the reverse too (about anti-apostasy-behavior)

It appears that God has blessed many Muslims with that thing called “certainty of faith” which Christians lack

Dear Kabirlaw,

On the surface it looks so, but when you scratch a little bit deeper you realize it is a "false sense" of certainty of faith. I'm not going to argue about the lack of certainty of the faith among Christians but what I really know and convinced about, through all five tools of seeking knowledge and certainty (Authority, Logic, Intuition, Science and Philosophy and Experience), I can tell you with absolute certainty: Islam is False.

Authority: I'm a christian and my highest Authority is Jesus and I quote Him: "You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit." And Kabirlaw, from this I can tell you, Islam is a bad tree.

Logic: Muhammad claimed to be a prophet of God, but when his contemporaries asked him to show his God, he resorted to logical fallacies, insults, curses and when he had had grown strong enough he resorted to violence to stifle opposition and killed critics and those who rightly asked questions about Allah. Logically, this does not infer muhammad to posses truth but that he was a conman, cult developer and thug leader.

Intuition: Dont tell me how I know Islam is false! It's just that my Chemistry does not bode well with Islam in vicinity. I feel a deep disgust when I hears ugly salat yells in arabic (a language I do not understand), I hate to see on Tv ugly bearded terrorists possessing double edged allah swords ready to slaughter a jew, an american or a british and I feel down to watch muslimahs covered in head to toe black shrouds.

Science and Philosophy: Up to this moment there is science has yet to create a standard scientific procedure or equipment to detect jinns or to test the effectiveness of zamzam water. But even so, philosophically, if there is God, God should show the attributes of unconditional love and mercy which are quite opposite to what we read in the quran and hadiths. In the quran and hadiths it is all about allah's tyranny and intimidations.

Experience: Ah, I"m 27 years old now and I can tell you I have never experience anything good about Islam. It's all about poverty, coup d'etat, dictatorships, assassinations, terrorism, sharia, women stonings, killing of apostates, talibans, alqaeda, somalia, pakistan, in summary it is Islam. And mmh, it seems Islam is all about politics and Satan and nothing godly in it.

Now tell me kabirlaw, are you so sure to that extent Islam is true?

To: Ali Sina

Now, just hold on for a second there.

There is nothing wrong with constructive, intellectual or academic debate or criticism. And in this process if feelings are hurt then so be it because the sole intention of the criticiser is not to make fun of or harm the sentiments of the person who professes that target faith but to scrutinise the faith's claims. So with this in mind you CAN say that "you think Muhammad was a murderer, Muhammad was a highway robber etc etc because you yourself certainly believe that and you challenge the Muslims to prove otherwise. (The pagans and Jews used to even criticse Muhammad's claims whilst he was alive).

However, when your intention is to single out ONE ereligion, to inflame feelings, spread lies, half truths and propagandist material, stir up hatred, mock the people who profess that faith simply because YOU do not believe that faith to be true and because YOU believe the religion is ridiculous then you are in the wrong (In most democratic countries inciting religious hatred, which you so clearly do, is a criminal offence - and that's in non-Islamic countries). And I'm sure youre wise enough not to challenge the fact that you do incite religious hatred of Islam (the evidence is on www.faithfreedom.org (which, in fact, is another misnomer because it should be www.islamfreedom.org).

And to clarify something else for you, YES amongst the Muslims (1.5 billion humans) there will be muderers, there will be paedophiles, there will be terrorists, there will be women beaters, looters, fraudsters, bigots, extremists, advocaters of violence, pea brains and people who sever the heads of cows - BUT amongst these 1.5 billion of the human family there will also be Charity Givers, helpers of the poor and orphans, assisters of the oppressed, toleraters of religious abuse, scholars, teachers, scientists, doctors, lawyers, victims, peace-makers, uniters and practicers of peaceful religion.

Just like there are Christian Muderers and paedophiles, Just like there are Hindu murderers and paedophiles, just like there are secularist murderers, paedophiles, women beaters there can also exist Muslim perpetrators of the same crimes.

Your freedom, Doctor, stops where my nose begins. Because once your freedom begins to impinge on me then my freedoms are being curtailed - there has to be balance.

You mention the severed head of the cow, always as quick as ever, to produce such things without corrective balance. (1) Where in Islam are Muslims taught to sever the heads of cows to hurt Hindu sentiment (2) Here in the UK people have thrown pigs heads into mosques and thrown petrol bombs through mosque windows in the wake of 9/11. The point is (like mentioned above) that some people are sick, some people do possess misguided zeal but be honest enough to say that these types of people are present in all walks of life and in all societies and they know no religious boundary.

You then said:

Beliefs don’t need any protection. They are there to be criticized. Those who hold to their beliefs should either be able to defend them logically or renounce them.

I say:

Says who Dr Sina? Who? Who has given you authority to dictate the rules of the game (these are your sentiments, your beliefs - which you are entitled to HOLD by the way- But what if a man wants to hold onto a belief that he cannot logically defend, does he not have the freedom to do that or does he need your approval for that? I personally think the religion of Hinduism is very illogical and intelletually indefensible, yet I do not see you aggressively trying to unconvert Hindus nor do I try to do it - So your above statement should REALLY read "Those who hold their belief in ISLAM should either be able to defend it logically or renounce Islam" This would have been a more accurate portrayal of your real feelings.

You then said:

If they prefer to stick to their illogical belief they can do so but they have no right to tell others to be silent. Religious people believe in God and creation. The evolutionists don’t. Does this mean the evolutionists should be silenced because what they say is offensive to the creationists? Anything you say may be offensive to someone.

I say:

I have never asked anyone to be silent. I have asked them to be courteous.

See above. But for ease of reference Evolutionists CAN hold their views and promote their views with vigour, research and scientific evidence if that is what they believe and if they intend to do it for advancement of knowledge, expelling untruths etc. Creationists can also do the same. Now, seriously, I do not know of a single Evolutionist (besides you, doctor - if that is what you are) who has singled out Islam as untrue and tolerated other belief systems simultaneoulsy in order to promote or advance the theory of evolution. You are not a serious evolutionist, you are a hater of Islam.

You then said:

I like Dr. Mossadq and I was offended when a Jewish woman out of sheer ignorance berated him. I wrote an article to refute her and asked her to reconsider her views. She decided to stick to her irrational belief. That is fine with me. I just don’t consider her to be a smart woman. But I am not going to kill her. I simply don’t waste my time reading her articles. I already saw her lack of dedication to truth and her desire to remain in her comfort zone. People like that don’t teach me anything and I am not going to waste my time on them. That is what you should do if you are offended by what I write. First write an intelligent article to refute what I say. You have not done that. Then stop reading my articles and avoid this site. But you cannot tell us that we should not speak our mind because your sensitivity can be hurt.

I say:

Well done. That's your individual approach. You are not the only intellectual in the world. I'll explain my stance doctor, so you know I am not here just to have a jolly time responding to your fanclub. I am reading your book, which you kindly emailed to me. I am trying to read the debates on this website and your articles so that I am fully aware of your position. I am also trying to read up more on Islam (because, honestly, I am no scholar on Islam-far from it) and I have purchased the full hadith sets. Once I am in a position to do so, I propose to challenge you on your claims (I humbly admit that I am no scholar and that you only debate with scholars but I respectfully request that you please debate with me when I have finished studying your site and hadith and the seerah).

You then said:

The problem is that Muslims’ sensitivity is more delicate than rose petal but their hearts are harder than stone. That is a dangerous combination, especially when accompanied with a brain that is shacked by faith and is virtually paralyzed.

I say:

You've done well to analyse and diagnose the mental state of some 1.5 billion muslims in a single lifetime. Will you be my doctor aswell? You must be good!

You then said:

You say you don’t abuse the human rights of non-Muslims. But I am not critiquing you. I am critiquing Islam and Muhammad and what the devout Muslims do under the influence of Islam.

I say:

I am a Muslim also and I have never requested that anyone stops critiquing Islam. Nor do I possess the minutest desire to kill you for what you are doing or saying (as you mentioned about Muslims above). So stop flattering yourself.

Dear Proud Christian

You wrote: (I won't repeat the full text because it gets labourious)

On the surface it looks so, but when you scratch a little bit deeper you realize it is a “false sense” of certainty of faith. I’m not going to argue about the lack of certainty of the faith among Christians but what I really know and convinced about, through all five tools of seeking knowledge and certainty (Authority, Logic, Intuition, Science and Philosophy and Experience), I can tell you with absolute certainty: Islam is False.

I say:

Authority: Jesus could have simply said "there will be no Prophets after me" Therefore, he IS implying that a true Prophet will come after him. So will the Christians actually follow the true profits who produce supposedly good fruit? No prizes for guessing who was the only successful Prophet after the Advent of Jesus. Moreover, If you believe in Christianity (a religion as it stand today that was developed through pagan influences and contains many collossal holes in its authenticity) how on Earth do you muster the audacity to criticise Islam? You and Marie are BIG hypocrites.

Logic: A man who lived an unremarkable life until the age of 40 years. A man who could not read or write nor possessed any army or influence in his surroundings received a concocted revelation from God. pretended he was shaken to the core when he received it, went running to his wife by way of drama and added effect, preached the same lies, went agaisnt his own family members and tribe, refused to accept the offers from the pagan arans of wealth, leadership and women, left Mecca, preached made up revelations for 23 years thereafter, remained unharmed by all of his enemies, got the stories of earlier Jewish Prophets spot on, spoke well of Jewish Prophets and the patriarch Abraham, prayed in the direction of Jerusalem first, conquered the whole of the Arabian peninsula and now lays buried in Medina untouched and in the utmost tranquility and reveration.

Now logically explain that!

Intuition: Even fools have intuitions. Enough said.

Science and Philosophy: They also still need to invent equipment to detect the holy ghost and the demons that Jesus drove out of people (not to mention the demons that are being driven out of people by modern day Christians in the name of Jesus). See what I mean when I call you hypocrite. Moreover, unlike Christianity, Islam actually holds water when it comes to scientific discoveries.

Experience: Not surprising coming from a regular at FFI. See the world PC. See the world. Most bad things get reported. Most good things don't. modern day journalism pal. Unless of course you can show me a piece coming from CNN that propogates Christianity or Islam.

To rationalist (irony is in the name)

Two can play your game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AhbyGeTIbQ - Demolition of Babri Mosque (India)

Kabirlaw,
WoW.., did you included mongolian version of haddiths as well?,

***BUT amongst these 1.5 billion of the human family there will also be Charity Givers, helpers of the poor and orphans, assisters of the oppressed, toleraters of religious abuse, scholars, teachers, scientists, doctors, lawyers, victims, peace-makers, uniters and practicers of peaceful religi***

what would you do when religious leaders start to moved in, once you gained population in the west, and implemet sharia law, and start aplying tax for minorities? its in quran, if you practicing your quran of course you don't have christian's colleague, but wait until you have religious police in london.
btw, what do you mean by peace-makers and uniters? you blowing each others mosques

To Ali Sina:

Oh and I forgot to mention. You actually DO propogate that Muslims should be killed because of their belief in Islam and it's Prophet, this is on record. So please stop making me sick when you try to make out that you are not against Muslims but against Islam, Muhammad and extremists (in your view TRUE) followers of Islam.

If you want the evidence I can show you. But you probably know what I am referring to.

To Ali Sina

My apologies for multiple posts but I forgot to mention one other thing.

I did read your interview before I commented. If you believe that I did not then put forward your proof. So stop making silly accusations as if they are absolute truth, simply on a hunch.

To ProudChristian

I've got a little task for you, if you are interested.

Please research the word Easter and where it came from. Please research why Eggs are so synonymous with the Christian festival of Easter.

Then tell me which part of Easter was taught by Jesus.

To Ali Sina

I apologise for calling you an animal. On second thoughts I should not have said it.

Hi, I am Iranian and living in England and I have been following this site for about a month on and off like (i stumbled on it by accident). I am from a Christian family but we are not really that religuious.

I think the Muslims are too severe in their religion and their religion dictates everything to them. They should take it easy a little. I hate what the Iranian goverment is doing to the geneuine demonstrators in Iran.

I like what Ali Sina says sometimes but sometimes I think lot of you go over the top. Just all of you take it easy.

I really loved it when Sina said , “To hell with their sentiments”. I wished more people were up front and said the same with courage and conviction, and put the political correctness aside.

To all you folks who criticized Sina instead of saying " bravo " , have you forgotten the cartoon episode where 150 were killed and most Dutch embassies around the world were set on fire? When an English teacher, a grand mother of 55, in Yemen, whose students named a harmless toy teddy bear Muhammad and she received death sentence for it ? When an opera in Germany that was scrapped because in it was a piece with Muhammad's name ? or just a couple of days ago Yale University stopped a book to be published that had one or 2 of the Dutch cartoons as exhibits. These are the kind of things that make Islam different than any other religion. Islam scares and terrorises people of saying anything which sheds light on it and shows its true colors. Why should we bow and accommodate to its unreasonable demands at every turn. Indeed to hell with it .

What is unacceptable is when their stuff is forced on others. I don't care if there were a zillion stupid religions, as long as they were not forced on others, and they didn't scare folks to death.

Good for Ali Sina for speaking the truth. People have to stand up to Islam . If we all act goodie goodie and polite they will one day run us out of our own homes. Muhammad did it....

“To hell with their sentiments”. "Others are false and will go to hell". "we are the chosen one, they are unclean".

This words came first from the mouth of pedo bastard mo who destroyed, insulted, killed and persecuted other faiths. In this modern world we still have that kind of attitude in islam, because islam is a frozen religion, incapable of change. Many times, i see that attitude in tv, radio, and internet, but when non muslim criticize back they will get beaten, terrorized, and even killed. Muslim commit crimes because of religious obligations and sanctions, not because of human weaknesess. So i'll say too "To hell with their sentiments".

Parviz, you are right.

Let me give you another example:

When Dan Brown made that Da Vinci Code novel, it attacked the foundation of christian belief all over the world. It's a big insult to all Christians, but do you ever see any Christians threaten to kill Dan Brown? or Christians marching on the street shouting, burning and rioting like thugs? Instead they made a book to counter that novel. That's the difference between progressed religion and frozen religion.

When you criticize a progressed religion you would get an elegant response, but when you do that to a frozen religion you would get a barbaric response: killing, insults, death threats, etc

To Pooo

So I guess you're barbaric then since all that comes out of your mouth is countless insults against a man who died over 1400 years ago and is not around to defend himself.

You're such an idiot. Thanks for the self-incrimination.

Dear Kabirlaw,

I have a feeling that most of your writings and commentary is done without much thinking . may be you write just for the sake of saying things and arguing with folks. You say things that are contradictory and make no sense.

Muhammad doesn't need to be alive to defend himself since he has already done so through the Qur'an, which is according to Muslims the exact word of god.

All of Qur'an Muhammad fabricated to defend his immoral actions. All the atrocities being done by the Muslim world is what Muhammad did, thought, and is doing today through his agents, the Ayatollahs, Mullahs, Muftis, that are shadow of Islamic god on earth.

We know a tree by its fruit, and similarly we know Muhammad and the religion he made up by its fruit. If you are a Muslim I greet you and respect you from the bottom of my heart, but I don't respect your Islamic belief. I will never call you by dragotary names and wish you all the best, always. But, please, think rationally and without hatred towards any group. If you disagree with me I respect you and it is Ok, and may God's blessings be with you.

Kabirlaw:

Logic: A man who lived an unremarkable life until the age of 40 years. A man who could not read or write nor possessed any army or influence in his surroundings received a concocted revelation from God.

I say:

What proof do you have about Muhammed's illiteracy? He could have said this in order to fool people.

Kabirlaw:

Science and Philosophy: They also still need to invent equipment to detect the holy ghost and the demons that Jesus drove out of people (not to mention the demons that are being driven out of people by modern day Christians in the name of Jesus). See what I mean when I call you hypocrite. Moreover, unlike Christianity, Islam actually holds water when it comes to scientific discoveries.

I say:

They will also need to invent equipment to detect the angel that visited Muhammed and the Jinns Muhammed talked about, not to mention the Jinns that are being driven out of people by modern day Muslim clerics ( who try to bring them to Allah )

Kabirlaw:

To ProudChristian

I’ve got a little task for you, if you are interested.

Please research the word Easter and where it came from. Please research why Eggs are so synonymous with the Christian festival of Easter.

Then tell me which part of Easter was taught by Jesus.

I say:

Kabirlaw do some research on what was in the Kaaba before the advent of Islam.

Do some research of Allah in pre-islamic times.

Why is Ramadan based on the cycle of the moon.

Do some research on the Hajj in pre-islamic times

To Kabirlaw:

Thanks for sharing the video (Demolition of Babri Mosque - India) which was build after destroying the Building associated to Hindu God :.

This is another example how stupid Indian politicians are that even after the partition of Country, they could not get hold of their religious places. How cunning and hypocrite Muslims are, who even after getting a separate Islamic country, can still fight for the land which is associated to Hindu God. There are enough articles (on this website) and Islamic history is more than enough proof that ancient buildings or temples were destroyed and rebuild to give them Islamic look.

It is shame to see that Indians (Hindus) has to fight for their religious places even after the Islamic partition because of these converted Muslims.

You also said:

To Ali Sina:

Oh and I forgot to mention. You actually DO propagate that Muslims should be killed because of their belief in Islam and it’s Prophet, this is on record. So please stop making me sick when you try to make out that you are not against Muslims but against Islam, Muhammad and extremists (in your view TRUE) followers of Islam.
If you want the evidence I can show you. But you probably know what I am referring to.

Me:
Your writing does not make any sense. You are just arguing for the argument sake. Just have another look on your own statement.

Muslims are the people who follow Quaran and take Mohammad as their ideal. So in order to kill the Muslims you need to take away Islam from them and this will make them a normal human being. Is it so difficult to understand?

By spreading the truth about Islam, Muslims will make best informative decision and eventually leave this discriminatory Islam and thus kill Muslims by them self.

Hi, Kabirlaw,

About your conversation with Ali Sina. First I am almost totally with you about the universality of all these crimes against humanity you mentioned, which indeed were and are found among all human groups, all religions, even atheism, in all of human history.

It is just that Islam is no better than the rest, so has no supremacy-rights anywhere without fair elections. This site is really one great worldwide freedom-fight against currently maintained and strived-for Supremacy by a part of the Muslims, while the majority of Muslims stays silent or ignorant about this.

What is it with you? Do you really believe this site is only about hate for Islam, or are you disingenuously trying to support: I. Current Islamic supremacy in Islamic countries. II. If possible even Islamic supremacy to the Khalifate (or Khilafate?) in Western countries? At the detriment of both existing democracy and the expansion of democracy in Islamic countries? What a blessing it would be if you were to declare yourself unequivocally in your choice; Islam-supremacy or Democracy, which is equal rights for the followers of all beliefs EVERYWHERE, 2-way-street conversion EVERYWHERE. Especially in IRAN, IRAQ, Afghanistan. It would give “context” to all your posts.

O yes, I imagine it makes you sick when we tell the world that we are against Islam and not against Muslims. Because it is Islam that you are always protecting so vehemently. And for that it could well be in your interest to make the biggest enemy of Islam also, untruthfully, a big enemy of all Muslims, and their whole persons, and all their characteristics, interests, yes even lives, according to you. But we think that losing Islam could be very much in the interest of the Muslims and their children in the long run!

And indeed, we offer Muslims mostly the stick, beating Islam, but seldom we offer Muslims a great carrot, a great 21st century, to which Islam is a huge obstacle according to us. I hope that we get better and better in describing a glorious 21st century in which reformed real-democratic Muslims, ex-Muslims and followers of all faiths, including Darwinism-Freethinking, and men and women too, can have true equality everywhere, and great common goals, fighting other common enemies; like organized crime.

You said somewhere that material wealth does not mean truth, moral superiority. But grinding poverty/ hunger/ oppression absolutely prevent people to be happy, so we might consider offering Muslims more material wealth, more chances in life, more freedom, especially the young women, in exchange for Islam. Or at least the worst and most frozen parts of it.

Hi Kabir-law (the irony is in your name, Kabir... for Kabir was a great Hindu saint in India)! lol

Well dude, if you care to read few pages of Babarnama, which is the official court chronicle of Babar (your great-great grandfather in religion), he describes how he destroyed idols within that Ayodhya temple you are referring to, and converted it into a mosque, now known as Babri Masjid (the irony is in the name, Babri). You should be ashamed of defending a thug Moghul King, Babar----which is synonymous to Barbarism. My question is what is wrong if Hindus reclaimed it with honour? Did we ever try to destroy Kaaba? Oh for that matter, pedo Muhammad took it forcibly from Pagans by uttering some mumbo-jumbo in Qurandic style!

KL-- defend it if you can! I know you can't.

Kabir was born as a moeslem and studied as a lovely disciple of Hindu spiritual master in Himalaya. Rationalist is right, the Hindus in India just trying to reclaim their land from islam which has put a massive scale of destruction in India. Many monumental places had been changed into islamic buildings, including the Taj Mahal. In Indonesia islam has left a lot of destruction to the rich cultural heritages of Hinduism and Budhism, and what is indonesia now? Just a suffering country with many suicide bomb and fanatic islam followers who oppress other faith / religion. No smoke exist without a fire source. No moeslems will explode themself if quran did not teach them in that way. It does not need to be a genius to see that.

Kabirlaw.

You are one thoroughly incorigible dimwit, people here are trying to tell you what's wrong with your religion and you accuse peolple of hate, your whole religion lacks respect and you keep shouting about the need for dignified speeches, I can guaranty that you will not convince anyone here about the sanctity of your whacked out religion, the evidence of a serious psychosis is when Muslims from far distances hate the Jews and call for the annihilation of America every given friday, your ilk allow themselves to be herded and dictated to like a flock of leprachauns who could not comprehend reality, you people are the true mental midgets

If I were you I'd have asked for an asylum in any mental rehabilitation centre, I won't come out of there till the irrational fear of hell wears out, how you carry on with Islam could only be one of the two reasons, either you are yellow to the core or you by far surpass Don Juan in wanting to get laid, but any clear thinking individual with the knowledge of Islamic fallacies and violent cravings should abhor the creed, instead you continue to waste a valuable bandwidth in a very selfish and falsely asserted way.

The very first thing for you to do to rise to the level of the true humans is to look for any supernatural evidence in Islam, before doing this, ask yourself "what differentiates me from other deistic believers?" you should cleanse and fortify your junked up mind from any influence that shapes the thoughts but not necessarily make it true, make sure you are not too Islam chauvinistic to say no to it, uninstall the power of suggestions package your immediate society gave you since childhood, understand the endorphinal actions as related to beliefs, when you are done, lay back look at the state of the world, watch any international news channel, check out the number of people killed Islam related daily, observe the pitiful state of the younger Muslim generation, if you are lucky you might see little girls learning western education in the bushes, sitting on rock out crops in the mountains of Afghanistan, this children and their teachers have no four walls comfort and are in danger of being bombed, find news on the daily killings in Pakistan or the terrible situation for young people in yemen and most Islamic countries, look at europe and its Islamization and the naked possibility of civil unrest in the near future between the two different cultures, take note that all these inhumane acts are there because the religion endorsed the thinking, other societies might have social problems but those could wear out easily because it is not god-sanctioned, but yours is.

consider the totally unnecessary zombification of the younger Muslims which will perpetuate the violence of Islam, when you are done, compare all these with your lack of evidence and decide what your name should be, I call you deluded because you refused to educate yourself, I hope this therapy helps, any Muslim is stupid and inhuman as long as he or she hates and hopes for the annihilation of a large group of people, even when I was a Muslim I never hated that way, the thing is, most Muslims are selfish enough to put aside their reason in hope of getting to paradise, I too said this, To hell with their sensitivities!

To BD

Bravo! Bravo! (standing ovation). That should go down in the book titled "Speeches that changed the world"

Now, when you've stopped looking over your shoulder for peer approval and when you've stopped hyperventilating I'll respond to your every stupid "generalised" accusation.

Stay tuned.

To Parviz

You said:

I have a feeling that most of your writings and commentary is done without much thinking . may be you write just for the sake of saying things and arguing with folks. You say things that are contradictory and make no sense.

I say:

Refer me to a single sentence where I contradicted myself if you are being truthful.

To Marie:

What proof do you have about Muhammed’s illiteracy? He could have said this in order to fool people.

I say:

Muhammad never wrote or read in his lifetime and the people he was preaching to were witnesses. Your remark is really silly and ill thought through, Muhammad could not fool the people into believing he was illiterate after 40 YEARS of living amongst the same people who knew him like the back of their hand (it's like you telling your nearest and dearest after you reach the age of 40 that you cannot read or write (would they believe you when they know that you can read and write). If he was able to read or write why would the Muslims try to make him out to be illiterate (this is a bit offensive). His fellow arabs knew he was illiterate and the Quran mentions him as the "Ummi" (unlettered Prophet). If this was not true (if Muhammad could read and write) the Arabs would have had evidence that the Quran is incorrect and no-one would have believed in Islam (it's in the Quran Marie, as clear as day!). Moreover, Muhammad had a stamp (like a seal) for a ring which he would use to sign documents as he could not write. Moreover, if you refer to the Treay of Hudaibiya, the scribes were not willing to erase the title of "prophet of Allah" as the pagans had wanted from the agreement out of reverence for the Prophet, so the Prophet asked his scribe to pass him the document and where the title was written and he crossed it out himself. Moreover, he never wrote down the verses of the Quran as he had scribes to do this task for him.

You then said:

They will also need to invent equipment to detect the angel that visited Muhammed and the Jinns Muhammed talked about, not to mention the Jinns that are being driven out of people by modern day Muslim clerics ( who try to bring them to Allah )

I say:

Before you blindly attack me please go and read the remark to which my reply was furnished. (That will put things into context and perspective for you). You've missed the point entirely.

You then said:

Kabirlaw do some research on what was in the Kaaba before the advent of Islam.

I say:

Before Islam = pagan temple

Before pagan temple = house of god as built by Abraham and Ishmael (bit like temple of solomon).

You then said:

Do some research of Allah in pre-islamic times.

I say:

Allah even existed before any pre-islamic time, Allah even existed pre-earth times, Allah even existed in pre-cosmos times, Allah even existed before TIME itself. What's your point.

You then said:

Why is Ramadan based on the cycle of the moon.

I say:

Your people's stupidity and ignorance, is at times, unbearable to the extreme. It is not ramadan that is based on the moon cycle it is the WHOLE Islamic calendar. Muslims use the Lunar calendar like the Jews and each new moon signals the begining of a new month. THAT is why the new moon signals the beginning of the month of Ramadan, THAT is why the next new moon signals the end of ramadan due to the begining of the next month and so on.

Read the following:

The Islamic calendar or Muslim calendar or Hijri calendar (Arabic: التقويم الهجري‎; at-taqwīm al-hijrī; Persian: تقویم هجری قمری ‎ taqwīm-e hejri-ye qamari; Turkish: Hicri Takvim) is a lunar calendar based on 12 lunar months in a year of 354 or 355 days, used to date events in many Muslim countries (concurrently with the Gregorian calendar), and used by Muslims everywhere to determine the proper day on which to celebrate Islamic holy days and festivals. Its first year was the year during which the Hijra, i.e. the emigration of the Islamic prophet Muhammad from Mecca to Medina, occurred. Each numbered year is designated either H for Hijra or AH for the Latin anno Hegirae (in the year of the Hijra).[1] A limited number of years before Hijra (BH) are used to date events related to Islam, such as the birth of Muhammad in 53 BH.[2] The current Islamic year is 1430 AH, from approximately December 28, 2008 (evening) to December 17, 2009 (evening).

The Hebrew calendar (Hebrew: הלוח העברי‎ ha'luach ha'ivri) or Jewish calendar is a lunisolar calendar used by Jews, the followers of Judaism and in recent decades, by a growing number of Messianic Jews and Christians. Today, the calendar is predominantly used for religious observances, but is also employed by Jewish farmers in Israel as an agricultural framework. Years in the Hebrew calendar are labeled with the era designation Anno Mundi (Latin for "in the year of the world"), abbreviated AM and A.M., and are numbered from the epoch that, by Rabbinical reckoning, is a year before the date of Creation. Early 2009 corresponds to Hebrew year 5769; the Hebrew year 5770 will begin at sundown on the evening of 18 September 2009. The principles and rules of the current calendar are fully described by Maimonides in the Mishneh Torah.

You then said:

Do some research on the Hajj in pre-islamic times

I say:

O.K. If you say so.

Kabirlaw.

All the wailings from you will not stop our march in reason, the only thing you do here all the time is argue some obtuse verses in the illogical book of violence, save your energy and time by bringing forth even the tiniest shred of evidence to us, convince us not with stupidity but with clarity, can't you see how all believers argue alike, each one of you followers have the holier-than thou attitude, you people are by default condescending and arrogant because you are made to believe that others are wrong and are inferior, how can a segregative person like you teach others how to respect others, you should wise up and stop hating the Jews because you are told to, get a purpose driven life and that purpose should not be to subjugate others, it makes you look bad.

Impress us with the evidence of a supernatural revelation from Allah through Gabriel to Mohammad, stack our infidel brains with evidence backed reasons why the belief in Allah and Gabriel are more that just faith based fantasies, when you have achieved the concrete evidence part, we will start debating on your prophet's lack of morality, the scientific inconsistencies and any other silly part of your belief, we await evidence to verify, like the saying "with evidence, one does not need faith"