The History of the Arabs: The Arabian Peninsula (Part 1 of 3)
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It is the largest of its kind in the world with an area of almost 900,000 sq miles. Although surrounded on three sides with water, its climate remains mostly rainless. With the exception of a few cultivable and fertile areas (Oases), most of this land is a scorching desert and steppe. It is one of the driest and hottest regions of the world. Some of its western and south western areas can suffer extremely violent but short rainstorms, creating flash floods that can destroy all in its path: towns, humans, animals and vegetation. Immense as this land is, Arabia cannot boast a single important river. This type of natural adversity could only be tolerated by a people who had to become fine- tuned, very hardy and adaptable to be able to survive such a hostile environment. This harshness is reflected in the very character of the Arabian, who looks upon anyone who is not of his tribe as an enemy.
The Arabs who inhabited it were mostly nomadic tribes (Bedou) who warred amongst themselves for the acquisition of spring water and grazing land, as well as against others to rob them of their agricultural produce, possessions, females and slaves. The desert is a sea of sand and the Bedouins were its roaming pirates. To acquire what they needed, they either bartered or raided (Ghazhou). The freedom of roaming the desert in search of pasture is the noblest pursuit in the eyes of the Bedouin. He disdains trade and agriculture, the products of both of which he can acquire by force or by barter as it suits him. It is one of the greatest ironies that the pagans who are so much reviled in the Quran were in fact infinitely better human beings than those who later became followers of Muhammad.
Contrary to the generally abusive, insulting and negative descriptions of the Pagan Arabs in Muhammadan literature, they actually had excellent traditions of chivalry, decency, hospitality, manliness and mercy that the followers of Muhammad could never attain. While there were fights and blood feuds among the pagan Arabs, some of which lasted for decades, the numbers of men killed in those skirmishes were very few compared to those annihilated wantonly and mercilessly in the ensuing wars of genocide and terror waged by the Muhammadan Muslims at Muhammad's instigation. The blood ties, clan and tribal loyalties that bound each group together among the pagans were ultimately obliterated and destroyed by Muhammad through his hatemongering theology, based on the totally merciless and compassionless Muhammadan version of the god of the pagans, ALLAH.
Arabs...
Most historians, Arab or otherwise, confirm that the Semitic peoples of Iraq who succeeded the Sumerians, came from the Arabian desert in waves of migration to settle in the fertile lands of the Two Rivers. The history of the Middle East is one of continuous struggle between the sedentary people already domiciled there and the nomadic tribes that came regularly to dispossess them. This process contributed to the infusion of new blood into the indigenous people and the almost total absorption and assimilation of the 'invaders'. The name Semitic is derived from that of the son of Noah (Shem) from whom, according to the Bible, the Semitic peoples are descended. The Hebrews (Ibri), were only one of hundreds of Semitic tribes that settled in Iraq (Mesopotamia; Land between Two Rivers) after migrating from the Arabian Peninsula. Hence, according to this scheme of things, the Jews who are the descendants of the Hebrews are of Arabian origin.
According to alleged Arab traditions, the Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael, the son of Abraham and Hagar (the maidservant of his wife Sarah). At this very crucial point, theology and history contradict each other; belief and fact become irreconcilable. If this tradition is correct, then the Arabs become the descendants of the Hebrews and not the other way round as history indicates. If this is the case, then who were the people who migrated from Arabia to start with? This is the conundrum of who came first: the chicken or the egg. According to some Arab historians, even the Phoenicians, Babylonians and Assyrians were originally from the desert of Arabia. These declarations are more wishful thinking than true.
It was the Hebrews after all, before any other people in the world, who revealed to mankind the clear idea of the One and Only God. Their Monotheism became the foundation for Mosaic, Christian and Muhammadan beliefs.
Non-pagan Arabs...
It is extremely important to point out here and now at the earliest possible point of the narrative an item that the followers of Muhammad rarely if ever point out: the fact that in the Arabian peninsula - as Arab historians also confirm- there were numerous tribes that were of pagan Arabian origin who had willingly and without coercion converted to the religion of the Jews (Mosaic faith), to Christianity or became Hanifs (believers in the God of Abraham). All of them were indigenous people who had every right to live in peace in their own land; they were natives - not outsiders or occupiers - of the peninsula. Many of them became very powerful and prosperous. These tribes that had contributed enormously to the commerce, religious input, industry, agricultural wealth and intellectual advancement of the people of Arabia in general, were subsequently dispossessed, forced to convert, massacred and/or deliberately pushed out from their native land Arabia by the new Muhammadan polity. They had existed there for centuries before the advent of Muhammad but their total 'eradication' was achieved in the extremely short period of about fifteen years.
The Jews of Arabia...
Neither Jewish nor Arab histories indicate as to when the Jews immigrated into the Arabian Peninsula. Contacts between Hebrews and Arabs were continuous throughout their histories. Israelites, in the reign of Solomon could have been sent on trading missions by land and by sea (from Etzion Geber/ Eilat) to the Arabian Peninsula. Further contacts and migrations into Arabia could also have occurred after the liberation of the Jews of Babylon by Cyrus the Great c. 520 BCE. Most probably, some of the Jews first moved among the Arabs as merchant traders. These migrations were enhanced by more during the Greek and Roman occupations of Judea and especially after the destruction of the Temple of Solomon in 70CE and later after the Jewish Revolt of 135 AD. Many may have left to reside permanently in safer havens in the more fertile areas of the peninsula along the western coast and in the oases nearby.
By the time of Muhammad in 620 CE, there were numerous and very prosperous 'Jewish' tribes - Judaized Arabs - in the north of the Hijaz who occupied strategic and important oases. There were also thousands of them in towns, villages and oases mostly in agriculture (they cultivated most of the fertile tracts) manufacturing (Banu Qainuqa were smiths and armourers) and trading. Their most important centre of activities was Al Madina, (Yathrib). The name, Madina, is its Hebrew name, which means (Country) used even today by the Arabs and Muhammadans without actually knowing the origin of the name. Its most important Jewish tribes were the bani Nadir, Qurayzah and Qaynouqa.
The Judaized Arabs (addressed as JEWS henceforth for simplicity of narrative) had very important settlements in Mecca, Khaibar, Fadaq, Wadi'lQura, Taima and others. Those 'Jews', whether actual or converts, had adopted the Arab tribal organization; many of their customs and even the names of the tribes and of individuals were purely Arabic. They had assimilated comfortably among the pagan Arabs except with regard to their monotheistic religion and traditions. Their assimilation was so complete that even the names of the individuals among them reflected the exact names of their pagan Arab relatives. This was not at all surprising since it was similar to what assimilating Jews all over the Diaspora were doing. The prosperity of the Arabian 'Jews' was due to their superior knowledge of agriculture, methods of irrigation and the science of metallurgy as well as their energy, diligence and industry.
Until the advent of the Arabian version of Islam under Muhammad and his followers, there was no mention of any systematic wars, conflicts or hatreds between the pagan Arabs and the Jews of the peninsula; whether those 'Jews' were indigenous Arab converts or not. It is important to note that the Jews of the Hijaz made many proselytes among the Arab tribes.
Those 'Jews' - of Israelite descent or converted indigenous Arabs- were integrated and accepted by the pagan natives. It is important to repeat yet again, that the pagan Arabs were almost entirely nomadic people who abhorred and looked with contempt at the concept of tilling the land. It was the Jews who introduced the following fruit to the Arabians: Apples; apricots; watermelons; pomegranates; lemons; oranges, sugarcane; bananas and almonds among others.
The greatest and most important contribution by the Jews to Arabian agriculture and subsequently their heritage, was the introduction of the palm tree, which existed mostly in the fertile land of Iraq. It is called 'Tamr' in Arabic, whose root resides in the Hebrew 'Tamar' meaning 'dates'.
The first Himyarite kingdom (from the tribe of Himyar), in south- west Arabia - where modern Yemen is situated - was established in about 130 BCE and lasted till 525 CE. This kingdom stretched over the Yemen in the south to Hadthramout in the west and the town of Najran in the north.
Among the nine kings known to historians of this dynasty, Abu Karib As'ad Kamil (c. 385-420), is reported to have conquered Persia and later embraced the faith of the Jews. It is not commonly known that the last Hymiarite king, Dhu Nuwas was a Jew. According to Al Tabari, he died in 525 in his wars with the Abyssinian Christians who had conquered and subjugated south- western Arabia. Arab historians attest to the fact that the Jewish tribes of Arabia always sided with the pagan Arabs against the African Abyssinians.
Al Jumahi (845 CE) devotes a section of his biographies (Tabaqat al-Shu'ara) to the Jewish poets of Al-Madina and its environs. Abu'l Faraj al Isbahani in his Al Aghani cites a number of Jewish poets in Arabia.
The Christians of Arabia...
Christianity of the Monophysite sect (that Jesus was partly divine and partly human), began to spread in the Middle East starting in Syria shortly after the conversion of the Roman Empire to Christianity. It is alleged that the Emperor Constantine sent the first embassy to Arabia c356 under the leadership of Theophilus Indus, who succeeded in building three churches in Aden and the Himyarite country. Both Ibn Hisham in his (Sirah) and Al Tabari in his (Ta'rikh al Rasul), mention the conversion of Najran to Christianity about 500CE.
It should be pointed out here once more, that these converts to Christianity were indigenous Arabs and not ethnic strangers to Arabia. Despite this fact, and contrary to the original spirit of the Quran, according to the Al Baladuri in his (Futuh), Umar Ibn al Khattab, the second Khalifa/Caliph (successor to Muhammad), unilaterally and treacherously broke the solemn peace treaties that Muhammad himself signed with many of them and deported them to Iraq 635/6 CE for failing to embrace Islam. These native Arabs had as much right - if not more - to live in the Peninsula as the rising new converts to Muhammadanism. The Christian Arab tribes, just like the Jewish Arab ones, were later forcibly dispossessed or eradicated from the Arabian Peninsula, their homeland.
In general, the Christian Arab tribes sided with Byzantium against the Sassanid Empire (Persia) and their mostly pagan Arab tribes. One of the most important Christianised Arab tribes was that of Ghassan near Damascus. These tribes, because of their affinity to Byzantium, introduced to the Arabian Peninsula knowledge, agriculture and art that were not available before.
Among the most famous inter-tribal Bedouin wars was that of Harb al Basus between the two Christian Arab tribes of Banu Taghlib and their kinsmen Banu Bakr c485 CE. According to Arabic legend, this lasted for forty years. Another, tribal war was The Day of Dhais between the two Christian Arab tribes Dhubian and Abs. It was in this war that the greatest of Arab heroes, Antarah Ibn Shadad al Absi (Abyssinian) (525-615) distinguished himself as a poet and a fighter. His love for his lady Ablah and his deeds are immortalized in his famous Mu'alaqah; one of the seven wonders of pre-Islamic poetical literature.
Most important of all is the Hadith story of Muhammad's entry in the Ka'ba:
"Narrated Ibn Abbas: The Prophet entered the Ka'ba and found in it the pictures of (Prophet) Abraham and Mary. On that he said' "What is the matter with them ( i.e. Quraish)? They have already heard that angels do not enter a house in which there are pictures; yet this is the picture of Abraham. And why is he depicted as practicing divination by arrows?" [Sahih al-Bukhari 4.570]
This shows that beyond a shadow of a doubt, there was a substantial influence made by the religion of the Christians upon the theology of the pagan Arabs long before Muhammad and his Quran.
I Q Al Rassooli
Author of "Lifting the Veil: The True Faces of Muhammad & Islam"
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Op-Ed writes: It was the
Op-Ed writes: It was the Hebrews after all, before any other people in the world, who revealed to mankind the clear idea of the One and Only God. Their Monotheism became the foundation for Mosaic, Christian and Muhammadan beliefs.
Wagamama replies: How stupid and ignorant this author is. I shall quote from Rig Veda, the most ancient religious text in the world. Ekam sat bahuda vipraha vadanti : God is one, but the learned see in different forms. This is the earliest form of monotheism and democracy in religion. Judeo-Christo-Islamic religions have caused disaster after disaster on earth in the name of their blood-thirsty God. Read Torah, Bible, and Quran. You will get enough evidence.
Sorry in comment #1 I should
Sorry in comment #1 I should have wrote Q Al Rassooli instead of Op-Ed
Rassooli didn't explain why
Rassooli didn't explain why pre-islamic Arabs circumambulated the kaaba, why they worshipped the black kaaba stone, and why they shaved their heads and entered the temple in white robes. None of this has anything to do with Christianity. At the most some Christian missionaries might have carried the photos of Mary or Jesus into Kaaba and hung them up there. Other than that Christianity had no influence on the native Arabs. They had their own religion (so called paganism) which is 1000 times better than semitic religions, which are currently destroying the earth.
#3 Islam is Semitic from a
#3 Islam is Semitic from a Semite named Joktan, not the Hamite named Ishamel. If Hagar was an Egyptian and Abram was a Semite, then Ishael was half and half. Ishamel went back to Egypt and maried an Egyptian thus his 12 sons were 3/4 Hamite. How did Muhammad come from Ishael and Egyptian. wives. He made it up because of all the time he spent in Medina learning about Judaism. Isaac was taken so he took Ishamel. No Arab knew before Mo told them!
#3 - IQ Al Rassooli does
#3 - IQ Al Rassooli does address all those things. You'll either have to wait for future posts here, buy the book, or visit his Youtube site:
http://www.youtube.com/AhmadsQuran3
The author is wrong in
The author is wrong in attributing to the Jews for introducing monotheism to mankind. Zorastrianism is the first monotheistic religion. Honestly, there could have been numerous predecesors including the worship of Rah could be construed as monotheism. According to many Jewish scholars, the concept of monotheism was borrowed by the Jews during their captivity by the Persians. These same scholars also attribute that the idea of spiritualism was also borrowed from this era due to the captives' exposure to Indic presence in the vast Persian empire. This co-mingling of Persian and Indic influence in the empire should come as no surprise because these people are from the same Indo-Iranian subtribe. We must understand that the Old Testament was not written until long after the captivity and subsequent liberation of the Israelites.
The earliest reference to the Arabs was actually by the Chaldeans who refered to the nomads as "Mahrabiyan" which meant "people living on the west". (ref: Albert Hourani's History of the Arab People).
I believe as people migrated into the fertile crescent through the Caucasus/Anatolia corridor, earlier immigrants who also came via the same corridor got pushed further south. As continous immigration pressure mounted, people moved further away hugging the coast and probably reached present day region of Yemen where they intermingled via war/trade/marriage/slavery with early African raiders/migrants/traders/settlers etc thus raising a new breed of people who were hardy enough to survive the harsh desert hinterland. This is probably the root of the Badwi (Bedouine). Thus the Arab is part Semitic and part African. The Semites being very ethno-centric (we must remember that unless harsh conditions warranted almost every tribe and subtribe was ethno-centric bent on preserving its ethnic purity) were keen observers of people must have noticed the distinct features of the Bedouine that they encountered and may have contributed to the legend of Abraham and his Egyptian maid. Again a reminder here is that the Bible was written long after many of the accounts mentioned in the Bible took place. Thus, legends, folk lore and what not had all contributed to what the Old Testament is today.
Rex
Please note, this is part ONE
Please note, this is part ONE of THREE.
Some are asking questions that will be answered in the next two parts.
Please be patient.
Excellent article.
Excellent article.
What a great article. Those
What a great article.
Those who try to just look for errors instead of trying to understand the complexity of the history of the area, are sadly mistaken. This is a good piece of research. I'll be reading the parts to follow. Just wonderful work and to the point. Thank you Mr. Rassooli.
Marie, how are things. I hope well.
Ibrahim, where are you brother. I have not heard from you for a while.
Peace to all
Quote: "Despite the dawn of
Quote: "Despite the dawn of Enlightenment and advent of modern science, the Semitic religions have still not matured enough to respect, tolerate and understand a simple notion that “All paths lead to the same summit (God).”-- Dick Teresi
DMartyr, Rassooli was wrong
DMartyr, Rassooli was wrong in stating that monotheism was started by Judeo-Christian religions. Even if he writes part-2 or 3, he will have to correct himself first.
@comment 4, Raisin Head you
@comment 4, Raisin Head you are referring to Biblical passages to prove that Arabs were the descendents of Abraham and Hagar. If you look at the chronology in the Bible or Qoran, you will end up with your God creating heaven and earth in 4004 BC. In other words, earth according to God's own words (Bible) is around 6000 yrs. Considering these mythical things from the Bible, accept that Arabs had their own religion and tradition, however pagan you may consider them. The missionaries might have carried some fotos of Jesus and Mary inside the Kaaba to harvest souls. Muhammad was truly influenced by Judeo-Christian God. This is the reason you find the mention of idols of Mary or Jesus in hadiths. However, the customs observed in the kaaba are still pre-islamic in nature. you cannot deny that for sure.
Great article. Full of
Great article. Full of interesting historical facts and insights. I have been posting comments this past week under the name 'humanbeing'. I noticed that someone is now using the name 'humanfirst'. These are not my posts.
I am a Canadian ex-Muslim. I concur with IK that this article is great piece of research. Looking forward to reading parts 2 and 3. Truth is definitely breaking down the lie of Islam. It is my contention that honest people leave Islam once they become fully informed - I personally cannot comprehend how any person, in good conscious, could remain an adherent of this religion knowing the horrible facts about it. Mohammed has deceived and betrayed Muslim's and they ought to dump his trash in the toilet, flush, and chalk the whole sorry business up as an honest mistake from their past.
Dear Ibn Kammuna yes you are
Dear Ibn Kammuna
yes you are right instead of looking for errors..we shuld understand the meanings of the things....nice artical...and realy understanding...ppl who are getting errors are doing like the same did by zakir naik..in his speach wid Willaim campbel..ab8..dr naik point our errors in the Bible bt he didnt answer the errors which willim take out...so this is we call taking errors...well i think being a good person..if some one point out me wrong...first of all i should evalute myself and see where i hve errors...and i've to answer these errrors first and admit my mistakes...but instead of giving answers to willaim he stated to make his own debeat....wat a great show man,,,,,
Love it
Love the artical...nice
Wagamama is eprfectly right.
Wagamama is eprfectly right. The Indians were the first to come up with the idea of one god. The Indians also allowd the perception of this one god in several forms. Many westerners mistake this for polytheism, which is wrong . The Hindu religion is strictly monotheistic and most liberal in philosophy. Hindu philosophy as reflected in the vedas and upanishads is teh mother of all philosophy in the world. It is the most perfect and perennial philosophy. This philosophy is already on its path to conquer the world spiritually, and one day it is have the enteire world in its thrall.
If it happens in my lifetime, I will die a happy man.
By the way dear I Q Al Rassooli, get this right: Hindus were the pioneers of monotheism, not the jews.
I think this is an absolutely
I think this is an absolutely WONDERFUL article/post by Mr I.Q. Rassooli..... we should all be truly grateful to him for his considerable knowledge and hard work (and the risks he takes in telling the truth) – even if not everyone agrees with every tiny detail. How many of you would be prepared to create several websites and post over 200 recordings of your own voice on YouTube packed with extraordinarily detailed information, and passion, and standing up to the evil and lies of Islam? I wish we all could! Please don’t instead just look to nit-pick and try and find fault….
Over all I think it's an outstanding piece of work, as is his YouTube series….. even if you find it hard work to listen through remember it was probably much harder work to create so perhaps worth making the effort to at least listen through with an open mind - as I have. I’m really glad I did as I feel I now know much more about this subject.
He often says you should go back to original sources if you can and check everything for yourself. Naturally a few things he says are personal opinion but after two or three decades of in depth research, when you know the subject as well as he clearly now does, then I think it fair you can judge some issues now and then when the evidence might be slightly weaker. I only wish more people had the scholarship, courage and energy to research and write in such detail and so fluently!
Ultimately IT DOES NOT REALLY MATTER WHO FIRST THOUGHT OF MONOTHEISM. The important thing is that despite their lies THE ARABS MOST CERTAINLY DID NOT!!! These perpetual “desert pirates” (Rassooli rightly calls them) stole everything from the peoples around them as they exploded out of the Arabian peninsula. They have never had anything other than an extraordinary and violent capacity to survive parasitically off other people – even the very symbol of Islam (the crescent moon and star) was stolen! Apparently they had no symbol (only characteristically unimaginative solid black or alternatively solid green squares of cloth for banners) when they poured into battle to kill people and take things from them until finally in 1453 they happened to attack and overwhelm Constantinople (later renaming it Istanbul) and where they found and subsequently adopted a pagan design (which they had to then lie about) that was probably already two or three thousand years old when they “acquired” it. It is therefore not remotely surprising that they should steal the worlds of our Bible or the Jews Torah or the Hindus holly books and great ideas and culture (including mathematics which, again, the Arabs lie about and claim to have invented)….. and so on and so on……
I firmly believe THE IMPORTANT THING is for Christians, Hindus, Jews and everyone else who is not already Muslim (though in real danger of being forced eventually to become one if we allow it to happen) to stick together and respect and support each other in all countries throughout the world that are still ostensibly “free”…. If we can do this then the Muslims will still be a small minority and pitifully weak (all they have are the weapons of fear and confusion, lies and propaganda)…..
Thank you!
hey guys hi .am new
hey guys hi .am new here.
yes, the author is wrong.am not scholar or anything,but "monothiesm" was not started by judeu/christian relegions.in africa,some cultures prayed to one god/creator only.in somalia before islam,we prayed to "waaqa" or waaq.waaq the "creator"/god of the heavens and earth.when the jews were in bondage/slavery (before moses)they prayed to the egypitan gods,so they coulnt have started monothiesm..my point is there were many other cultures before chritianity/judaism that beleived in monothiesm(india,persia,africa etc)
@15: Thank you Antijihad...
@15: Thank you Antijihad... The point is that people like Rassooli, though have knowledge, restrict it to Judeo-Christian-Islam boundaries. For them, anything outside of semitisism is like a black-hole. When countered with tough questions like I have asked, they ignore them. However, Rassooli has documented other facts nicely. It is just that people believing in semitic religions need to come out of their deep slumber to see the reality.
#18 The Hebrews were in Egypt
#18 The Hebrews were in Egypt with all of their gods. they knew other god existed. Jews never said the created one-god. Every tribe in Africa had their own god. Each one was their one god. Iran(Zoroastarians did notcreatedone god. As the tribes grew they observed many gods. At one time Hindus had 3 million gods. Americans Indians had a sun god, wind god, rain god, moon god etc. The Jews were told to serve one god not 20. Their idea of mono came from Moses Law, the 10 Words. The Jews were not the only people on earth, and they never said so. If Pharaoh was a Muslim, sura 66:10, why did Moses leave? Moses knew that the Allah of Egypt was not his god. So Allah of Muhammad/Islam was not the same god. Judaism was begun in Iran by Jewish rabbis who had strayed and Christendom came from apostate Christians called Gnostics of Rome in 325 CE.
Arabs came from JOKTAN a Semite who lived long before Abram. It is impossible for Arabs to have come from Abraham. Muhammad was mistaken!
#11 & #15 - I put forth your
#11 & #15 -
I put forth your questions to IQ Al Rassooli. Here is his reply:
1 Our series is not telling anyone, which belief system is better than the other. It is only addressing Muhammadan Islam because it has arrogated to itself to be the ONLY belief system on Earth
2 Muhammad Plagiarsied the concept of monotheism from the Jusaised & Christianised Arabs of the Peninsula. He knew nothing about Hinduism even if it was the first monotheistic religion in the world.
3 The Indian civilization is very ancient and has contributed enormously to many fields of knowledge including the concept of the ZERO that the Arabs PIRATED & then claimed it - like everything else of value - to be their own idea!
All of US Kuffar are facing the SAME adversary and we have no intention in having any discussion amongst us as to who was first and who was second in anything, since this will only cause acrimony amongst us, and is of absolutely no relevance to the subjec of Muhammadan Islam.
I found the article to be
I found the article to be excellent in delivering a message.
Too often we look at individual trees and never see the forest.
I could care less who came up with the concept of one God, but I do care about the message that the article delivers.
#19, Raisin Head I shall
#19, Raisin Head I shall quote some beautiful verses from Quran and Bible to show that Islam, Judaism, and Christianity serve the same God.
SPOILS OF WAR
•They ask thee (O Muhammad) of the spoils of war. Say: The spoils of war belong to Allah and the messenger, so keep your duty to Allah, and adjust the matter of your difference, and obey Allah and His messenger, if ye are (true) believers.(Quran 8.1)
•And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer (Quran 8.41)
•When the Lord your God gives it into your hand, you shall put all its males to the sword. You may, however, take as your booty the women, the children, livestock, and everything else in the town, all its spoil. You may enjoy the spoil of your enemies, which the Lord your God has given you. (Deuteronomy 20: 13-14)
•They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30)
DESTRUCTION OF PAGAN WORSHIP PLACES
•And by Allah, I have a plan for your idols - after ye go away and turn your backs. So he broke them to pieces, (all) but the biggest of them, that they might turn (and address themselves) to it. They said, "Who has done this to our gods? He must indeed be some man of impiety!" They said, "We heard a youth talk of them: He is called Abraham." (Quran 21:57-60)
•You must demolish completely all the places where the nations whom you are about to dispossess served their gods, on the mountain heights, on the hills, and under every leafy tree. Break down their altars, smash their pillars, burn their sacred poles with fire, and hew down the idols of their gods, and thus blot out their name from their places. You shall not worship the Lord your God in such ways. (Deuteronomy 12:2-4)
SLAVERY
•Allah sets forth the Parable (of two men: one) a slave under the dominion of another; He has no power of any sort; and (the other) a man on whom We have bestowed goodly favors from Ourselves, and he spends thereof (freely), privately and publicly: are the two equal? (By no means) praise be to Allah. But most of them understand not. (Quran 16.75)
•When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter... (Exodus 21:7-11)
CRIMES AGAINST BABIES AND WOMEN
•Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old. (Sahih Bukhari 5.236)
•Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. (Hosea 13:16)
•Happy shall they be who take your little ones and dash them against the rock (Psalms 137.9)
RAIDS AND DESTRUCTION
•How many a township have we destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, our terror came unto them. (Quran 7.4)
•It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desires (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise. (Quran 8.67)
•"I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence." (Luke 19:26-27)
•...when the Lord your God gives it into your hand, you shall put all its males to the sword. You may, however, take as your booty the women, the children, livestock, and everything else in the town, all its spoil. You may enjoy the spoil of your enemies, which the Lord your God has given you.(Deuteronomy 20:10-15)
INCEST
•Prophet Muhammad adopted Zaid as his son, who then married Zainab. So Zainab became Muhammad’s daughter-in-law. When Zaid divorced Zainab, Muhammad took the latter as his wife. Allah helped Muhammad by revealing the following verse (33.37): “After a term of married life with her husband, We permitted you to marry her so that it may hence be legitimate and morally blameless for a believer to marry the wife of his adopted son provided that wife has already been divorced. That is God's commandment which must be fulfilled.”
•Abraham replied, "I said to myself, 'There is surely no fear of God in this place, and they will kill me because of my wife.' Besides, she really is my sister, the daughter of my father though not of my mother; and she became my wife. (Genesis 20:11-12).
Now show us where Christians
Now show us where Christians served the same god. The Jews didntserve the same god unless he is insane.
The Bible told christians to walk away if people fifnt want the gospel, allah said kill them. Bible said pray incessently islam said 5 times a day.
Bible said one wife and allah quran said 4 wives and temporary wives galore
Islam says tke slaves for sex, Bible said no slavery
the OT was for Jews ONLY and the NT was for all. No comparison. Jesus brought a new covenant. Matthews to Revelation is christians.
Pharaoh was a Muslim but Moses had to leave--same god. NO way, hosea.
Men and women had sex in Quran men and women had sex in OT .LOL Same way!
christian were told to have one wife 1 cor 7;
Jews were told to have one wife not many The disobeyed. Saul was one of them.
Abraham protected hi and Sarah from Egyptians by doing that.
Islam is from the DEVIL sura 3:54, 8:60
Bible said so too 2 cor 4;4, John8:44
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I’m not sure how DMartyr
I’m not sure how DMartyr contacted IQ al Rassooli for clarification (post 20)? --perhaps emailing him via one of his websites? -- but I’m glad it was possible and I note the answers make the position perfectly clear. Just to re-cap and add a few comments of my own:
(1) Fascinating though it is, for the purposes of this subject it’s quite irrelevant exactly which great culture was the earliest to adopt the idea of a single god (and of course it’s quite likely more than one culture independently developed such ideas without reference to, or learning or copying from, any other that happened to be doing the same or similar).
We do know, however, that it could not possibly have been Muhammad or any of his followers that first thought of it as the idea had already been around for a very long time indeed (and had been very well documented and incorporated into several venerable civilizations) long before them.
(2) The big point is without doubt that the Quran/Koran is a poor quality (and angry, violent and confused) planarization of both Christian and Jewish ideas. Ideas that predate Muhammad’s so-called “revelations” by many hundreds of years, in some cases well over a thousand years. Muhammad was aware that people might realise this and so his Quran itself is full of feeble and illogical excuses which try and explain away this glaringly obvious fact.
So it’s perfectly relevant (actually very important) to show that the Jewish religion was very ancient by the time Christianity developed from it, and that in turn Christianity was also ancient (already many hundreds of years old) by the time Muhammad found out about it (not through “revelations from God via the Angel Gabriel”, by the way, but more mundanely from his first wife – who was a Christian).
After his first wife (who was much older than him and very much in charge) died he then used her wealth and his new found freedom to embark on his project of developing the Quran – essentially a criminal manifesto, in the guise of a religion, conveniently justifying all sorts of terrible things for his own perverse reasons. Equally conveniently he also constructed it to enable him to exploit other people gullible (or desperate or greedy) enough to literally do his dirty work for him.
To re-cap: the Quran/Koran is directly copied from Christian and Jewish sources which have been heavily modified/distorted into a sinister and down-right grim manifesto for evil.
(3) Whilst Muhammad had direct contact with Jews and Christians (whom, as is well documented in the Quran and various Hadiths, he routinely betrayed, cheated, lied to, stole from and often killed whenever he could) there is no evidence (so far as I’m aware) showing he personally had any contact with Hindus or knew anything about their great and very ancient civilisation or religion. I expect if he had then he’d somehow have tried to show how he had the upper hand and higher authority over them too, so perhaps we’re lucky at least this did not happen.
(4) “Raisin Head” is right in saying (post #23) that Wagamama is utterly wrong in post #22 in claiming or trying to show that the Muslims worship the same God as the Jews or Christians.
However you look at it this cannot possibly be true.
For a start the God of the Jews and the Christians (as well as of all other decent moral religions and philosophies of the world) regularly shows compassion and love (including for non-believers of those faiths) whereas Allah is completely lacking in any compassion or love and is apparently (according to Muhammad in his Quran) only interested in death, suffering, punishments, the suppression of any human mirth or innocent pleasures and of course in the relentless progress of the disgusting plan to steadily grab (either through direct violence and aggression or else by lies or stealth) every bit of the world (no matter how long this may take) and uniformly turn it all into a single endless screaming terrifying expanse of blackness, misery and oppression.
For everyone willing to sacrifice his - or even her - opportunities to enjoy a satisfying decent or worthwhile life, and instead do terrible things to other people in the name of this Allah, there is the promise of a range of ridiculous “rewards” like “dark eyed virgins” to dominate and abuse and running water (a great luxury for desert pirates from the 7th century but surly just part of every day life for modern western people?) again in Allah’s hear-after for his jihadist murderers and looters.
There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that this pagan rock-god called Allah has nothing to do with the honourable and well meaning God of the Jews or Christians (or of any other great religion of the world).
Raisin Head and Godwin,
Raisin Head and Godwin, please go through the similarity of verses (meanings) related to spoils of war, destruction of pagan worship places, incest, slavery, and crime against babies and women. You will agree wholeheartedly that Muhammad in fact borrowed his dirty ideas from the Bible, in particular the Old Testament.
For every peaceful verse of God (!) in the Old Testament or Torah, you can always quote a Meccan verse from the Quran to show that the God of Quran showed compassion and love. If you really want to refute me, then you will have to refute the content I have quoted.
Wagamama, earlier I had
Wagamama, earlier I had thought that the contents of Quran and old testament were different. When I went through your post, I was confirmed that they are in fact siblings with similar characters. In fact, the Popes and various Christian dominions have made a mess of Christianity. Thank you for showing that religoius scriptures from Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are the same.
Rationalist - sorry but you
Rationalist - sorry but you are mistaken; the religious scriptures of Islam are NOT the same as those of Christianity or Judaism - merely cobbled together (or more politely “based”) from them, so perhaps a bit confusing at first glance.
It's true that Christians have made a great mess of Christianity (and the current Pope is weak and feeble and regularly shows his Dhimitude – as he did again yesterday – rather than defending Christians everywhere, especially in the Middle East were they are stealthily being persecuted and driven out of their own ancient homelands whilst the world fails to notice or do anything to help them).
No, for all their faults Christianity and Judaism are religions of life and hope, whereas Islam is a cult (not true religion, note) of death and hatred. In the end you have to look at what people are actually doing and how they are behaving in the world today and all around us (often quite a long way off so perhaps harder to notice) – only then it will become clear.
Wagamama – I’d had my suspicions about you all along and now you have confirmed them. Firstly the so-called “peaceful” and “compassionate” verses (suras) of the Quran were written during the earlier phase in Medina, NOT Mecca (so you are mistaken about that). Secondly virtually all of these verses have in any case been “abrogated” (a subtle point but it means that these verse are superseded by others which normally reverse them into war and aggression against all “non-believers”). Thirdly and finally the Medina suras were written during the earlier phase when Muhammad was still very weak (before he succeeded in gathering together a huge band of evil thugs willing to intimidate and murder anyone who questioned him or tried to defend themselves against him and his lawless agression) and as it happens most of these verses (suras) are actually beseeching non-believers to be considerate and tolerant of Muhhammad and his few (at that time) followers – never the other way around!!! These verses are often quoted out of context with the one or two critical words at the beginning or end conveniently omitted so it sounds as though Muslims are telling each other to tolerate others and allow them to practice their religions in peace when this is not at all what is actually said or meant! It has been a cunning Muslim practice for centuries to purposely lie about this (called “al Taqiyah”) so as to fool and confuse the “kafar”, i.e. all non-believers like us whom they never truely befriend and always hope to ultimately fool and defeat.
We should all move on from trying to scrutinise the history and detail of the Quran (looked at properly and objectively it’s a disgusting, racist, hateful book whose contents have been cynically lifted from elsewhere then distorted and rearranged for it’s own purposes). We should instead consider it’s practical application in the world today and contrast and compare that with, say, uses (if any!!) that the Bible is put to….. for example how many Christians have you ever seen on CNN waving their Bibles at the cameras and screaming “Jesus is the greatest” as they gleefully slash the throats then decapitate their innocent kidnap victims?
Deeds speak louder than words.
#22 the OT is not
#22 the OT is not Judaism.
Islam followed Judaism and Christendom of Rome not Jesus.
The Quran said Jews and christians are apes and pigs and they are supposed to kill them all forever. Where did the OT or the NT say kill Muslims. Quran said Pharaoh was a Muslim. 66:10
Islam does not fit the threesome theory as Islam said do everything the bible said do.
Jesus said love your neighbor and Islam/Quran said kill them. Jesus stopped the Mosaic Laws. Remember the OT was about the life and times of Israelites not Arabs. The Jews were told not to eat pork, no one else. Noah could eat it all and he was no Jew. JEWS could drink wine, liquor, and beer. Muslims cant.
There is nothing in Islam original. NOTHING. Islam copied from everyone. Islam came from everything.Whatever works do it. Deceit is Islam. Terror is allah's way so says Muhammad. KILL< KILL< KILL is the war cry of Islam.
(See Prophet of Doom)
Allah is not even a name, but a Hindu word for god. Islam has no name for god, thus giving them the freedom to pretend we servethe same god idea. The church of Satan fits better per sura 3:54.
My apologies Wagamama - my
My apologies Wagamama - my first point (regarding Mecca and Median) was incorrectly written.... the "Meccan" verses were of course the earlier ones written before he went to Median, gained strength of supporters and then eventually returned to Mecca (and killed most of the officials and took the place over)..... I should have written my first point more carefully but the rest of what I have written most certainly stands.
See Mr Rassooli's book, pages 20 - 25. He puts it better than I ever could.
Thanks, Raisin Head, some
Thanks, Raisin Head, some excellent points in your post #28.
Apparently Muhammad's father was called "Abd Allah" meaning Salve of Allah and Allah was the name given to one of the hundreds of pagan Arab gods (in this case a rock god or perhaps literally just a particular stone such as the fragment of an ancient meteorite stored and worshiped to this day in the Ka'ba – something else that Muhammad and his band simply stole or looted).
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