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A Guide to the Qur'anic Contradictions -5

Printer-friendly versionPrinter-friendly versionSend to friendSend to friendPDF versionPDF versionBy Abul Kasem January 29, 2009 Sura 12: Yusuf (Prophet Joseph) 12:19 A passing caravan’s water drawer rescued Joseph. Contradiction: 12:20 says Joseph’s brothers sold him as a slave for a miserly price. 12:100 Joseph thought Satan had created enmity between him and his brethren; Joseph’s parents and his brothers prostrated before Joseph. Contradiction: 2:255, 3:2, 3:18, 11:2, 20:98, 40:62, 40:65 say humans must prostrate (worship) only to Allah, and no one else. 12:109 Allah sends revelations to men only. Contradiction: 27:82 says Allah also sends a beast as a messenger. Contradiction: 35:1 says Allah sends angels with wings as messengers. Contradiction: 6:130, 11:69, 11:77, 22:75 say Allah also sends jinns and angels as messengers. 12:111 Qur’an is in detail, and confirms what went before; it is a guide and mercy to the believers; Joseph's story is not an invented tale but a confirmation of Allah’s guide and mercy. Contradiction: 17:106, 25:32 say Allah sent the Qur’an in stages. Sura 13: ar Rad (Thunder) 13:11 There are guards (angels) in front and behind each person. Contradiction: 2:107, 29:22 say Allah is the only protector. 13:38 Previous messengers also had wives and children; no messenger can produce a miracle without Allah’s authorization. Allah decrees every matter. Contradiction: Jesus had no wife or children. 13:39 Allah removes (abrogates) what He wills, and fixes (replaces) what He wills; Allah has kept the Mother of the Book. Contradiction: 6:34, 6:115 say none can change the words of the Qur'an. Sura 14: Ibrahim (Prophet Abraham) 14:4 Allah sends His messages only in the language of His apostle’s people in order to make the message clear to them. Allah misguides whom He pleases. Contradiction: 10:35 says Allah Himself guides mankind to the truth. Contradiction: 37:147 148 says Allah sent Yunus to hundred thousand people of Nineveh, in the region of Mosul. Sura 15: al Hijr (The Rocky Tract) 15:23 Allah controls life and death; He will inherit all things on earth. Contradiction: 3:189, 57:2 say Allah is the owner of all things in the heavens and in the earth. 15:26 Allah created the man from sounding (i.e., burnt) clay from mud, and shaped him like a potter’s clay. Contradiction: 3:59 says Allah created Adam from dust. Contradiction: 38:71 says Allah created Adam out of wet clay. 15:29 Allah completely fashioned the first man (Adam), then breathed the soul which Allah had created for him (Adam); then Allah asked the angels to bow down to a live man created by Him. Contradiction: 32:9 says Allah breathed His own (not a soul specially created) soul into Adam. Sura 16: an Nahl (The Bee) 16:36 Allah sent apostles to every people or community or nation. Contradiction: 29:27 says Allah gave prophet hood only to Abraham’s progeny. Contradiction: Allah says in 28:46, 32:3, 34:44, 36:6 before Muhammad, He did not send any messengers to the Arabs. 16:43 Allah chooses only men (human beings) to be His messengers. Contradiction: in 11:69 Allah says he sent to Abraham angels as messengers. Contradiction: 27:82 says Allah sends a beast as a messenger. 16:49 Every creature in the heavens and in earth, including the angels, prostrates to Allah and obeys Him. Contradiction: 2:34 says Iblis, the Satan, did not prostrate before Adam; he disobeyed Allah. Contradiction: 17:61 says all angels, except Iblis prostrated before Adam. 16:89 On the resurrection day, Allah will appoint Muhammad as the witness of all other prophets, who were the witnesses for their respective people; Qur’an explains all things. Contradiction: 17:106, 25:32 say Allah sent the Qur’an in stages. 16:101 Allah substitutes one revelation with another; Allah has the mother of the Book (the original Qur’an). Contradiction: 6:34, 6:115 says none can change the words in the Qur'an. 16:103 Some people accused Muhammad of learning the Qur’an from a foreigner, but Qur’an is in pure and clear Arabic. Contradiction: 3:7 says only Allah knows the hidden meanings, and only the men of understanding will grasp the Qur’an. Sura 17: Bani Israel (The sons of Israel) or al Isra (The Night Journey) 17:15 Whoever does good deeds will be guided, whoever goes astray is due to his detriment; no one can bear another person's burden. Allah does not punish a population until He sends a messenger to them. Contradiction: 11:110 says Allah intentionally created dispute about Moses’ Book. Contradiction: 16:25 says Allah will doubly punish the arrogant infidels for their unbelief and for misleading others. Contradiction: 20:129 says Allah could destroy the unbelievers instantly. Contradiction: 29:13 says unbelievers are to bear the burden of their own sins, as well as the burden of deluding others. 17:16 When Allah decides to destroy a population, He warns its leaders, they indulge in insolence for a brief period, and then Allah inflicts on them an utter destruction. Contradiction: 6:131 says Allah does not destroy a city when its inhabitants are in it. 17:23 Worship only Allah, and be kind to aging parents in your care; respect them and do not shout at them. Contradiction: 9:23, 29:8, 58:22 say show no love of friendship to the parents if they criticize Islam or Muhammad. 17:55 Allah is discriminatory; he prefers some prophets to others. Contradiction: 4:152 says Allah makes no distinctions among prophets. 17:61 Allah created Adam from clay. Commanded by Allah, all the angels prostrated to Adam except Iblis. Iblis, the Satan, was upset that Allah placed Adam superior to him. Contradiction: 16:48 says even the shadows of all objects (unbelievers included) prostrate to Allah. Contradiction: 16:49 says every creature in the heavens and in earth, including angels, prostrate only to Allah. 17:86 If willed, Allah could withdraw (cancel) His revelations (Qur’an) to Muhammad. In that case, Muhammad would have no protection from Allah. Contradiction: 6:34, 6:115 say none can change the words in the Qur'an. 17:103 Because Pharaoh evicted the Children of Israel (from Egypt), Allah drowned him and all his men. Contradiction: 10:92 says Allah saved Pharaoh. 17:106 For easy recital, the Qur’an is divided into parts; it is revealed in stages. Contradiction: 2:185, 3:3, 12:111, 16:89, 43:4, 97:1 indicate Allah sent the ENTIRE Qur’an in one night. 17:111 Allah has no children; He does not share His authority and power with anyone else; He is the only protector and helper. Contradiction: 41:31, 32 say angels are our protectors in this life and the life hereafter. Contradiction: 5:55 says Allah’s messengers are our protectors. Sura 18: al Kahf (The Cave) 18:31 Muslims will be in Gardens of eternity (Eden), beneath which rivers flow. Allah adorns the residents of the Gardens with bracelets (bangles) of gold, green garments, fine silk and comfortable furnishing. Contradiction: 39:73 says one garden in Islamic Paradise. Contradiction: 22:23, 35:33 say Muslims will wear bracelets/bangles of gold and pearls. 18:109 An ocean of ink is not enough to write all of Allah’s words. (This means the Qur’an is not complete—Walker, p. 165.) Contradiction: 6:38 says the Qur’an is complete, nothing has been left out. End of Part 5 To be continued in part 6. ------------ Abul Kasem writes from Sydney, Australia. Send your comments to nirribilli@gmail.com
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Hahaha Stupid allah the xxx

Hahaha Stupid allah the xxx comes across as an idiot of the first order.This xxx allah who supplied the little girls to the rapist mohammad could not even add single digits! Look up allah's surah about division of property and the dalal distributes 1 dollar to seven people and the sum of which adds up to 1.25.What a pimp and half this allah is.
Islam is evil. allah is a xxx an dmohammad was a ra[pist and followers of this are xxxx.

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Allah says one thing and the

Allah says one thing and the stupid mullah says another thing and between them the dalal allah and the scum bag mullah, they are going to destroy the whole world.
There is no contradiction in this allah mullah combination.Allah is the pimp and mullah is the grahak and lille girls are the products for sale and use.the scum bag moslems are the result of this allah mullah combined work


There is not a single book in

There is not a single book in this world that contradicts itself at one or multiple places. However when a book is claimed to divinely ordained from the so called creator of this Universe, I guess certainly should not contradict itself in the least. But when the contradctions are numerous, then perhaps people should really start using their own brains.


PK Why are u abusing allah,

PK

Why are u abusing allah, the fellow only exists in the minds of the muslims. He is just a mythical charater. If you have to cuss then cuss Muhammad who was a pedohile, a lecher, a rapist, a mad man, a higwayman, a thief a robber, a nutcase, a terrorist, etc.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is either one or all of the above.


While the quran is quite

While the quran is quite contradictory, the first thing that puts me off when I go through the quran is its boring literary style. It is ironic that this is what muslim go around bragging about of the quran's beauty, beautiful literature, etc! Whats beautiful in the quran? How could God produce the most boring book ever and expect it to be read by the entire mankind? Allah is not even in league with William Shakespeare, lol!


Allah is not even in the

Allah is not even in the league of shakespeare! allah is not far off from the sex book author Tedmark! Its unfair to compare the moronic allah to shakespeare.

Allah as a concept is no doubt in the minds of moslems.But then this concept of allah was infused in to deluded minds of moslems by the rapist pedophile mohammad.True.We have to laugh at the stupidity of the mind of moslems? We have to despise mohammad.Islam is evil and mohammad was a rapist pedophile.
Qrand is contradictory, boring, delusional, eratic, often filled with numerous errors. It is a good arse wipe and can not be from god.it may be the delusional mohammads' mad incoherent ramblings during epileptic fit.That fits the bill.
I agree.Allah the mind concept of moslems can not be blamed , but to an extent.


proudKafir, I would not blame

proudKafir,
I would not blame present day muslims as much as non-muslims who are apologetic about islam. The muslims are brought up on quranic diet of hatred, violence and supremacism but what about non-muslims. how can they be islamic apologists for their petty gains. Don't they understand the price the future generations will have to pay for their sins.
More than taking islam away from muslims, we also need to educate the non-muslims about the dangers that islam poses to humanity.


AMIM, Show us one news report

AMIM,
Show us one news report where people have used vedas to justify suicide bombs or killing civilians.
You, i suppose have given up the hope of being able to defend Quran and are therefore bringing in stuff that no one is bothered about.
If you have any shame left in you, either accept that Quran is a terror manual and Mohammad was a pimp, a terrorist, a fascist, a paedophile or stop coming to this website.


foccused? What have you to do

foccused? What have you to do with AMIM? I, myself, left her a long time ago! I do not even read her posts being boring and offtopic. Educating non muslim apolegetic to Islam? Look, I am personally even amazed about people who convert to Islam. They become muslims more than muslims themselves. 50 percent of new converts in islam will either become dawagandists or suicide bombers. Yusuf Estes, Abdul rahim green, shoebomber, spanish suicide bomb girl in iraq who killed american soldiers......! The remaining will raise funds to support terror organization in palestine. So much for tolerance spirit of the west!


Focussed, have you noticed

Focussed, have you noticed that the majority of the guys who convert to Islam got some bizzare looks? I usually watch peacetv journey to islam, people interviewed most of them are ugly faced evil characters! Believe me you can notice a evil by his looks! Islam is evil and only evil people are attracted to it! I am so sorry for a majority muslim people who still believe and treasure islam so much.


Bizzare looks, you say

Bizzare looks, you say proudchristian? Yeah, i noticed that the deeper they get into islam, the weirder they look.


Baby" ApedoMime " has studied

Baby" ApedoMime " has studied Hindu scriptures more than Qu'rand , LOL Must be a good student of Jerk off Zakir Naik : The Islamic Scholar of Indian sub continent , in other words converted sub human , sub Muslim degenerate cretin.

Only thing the Muslim cretin does not know is --

(1) There is not just one Veda . There are four Vedas and those are not binding(Unlike Qu'rand of Islam) way of life for any Hindu . Hindus are free to choose if they want to follow Vedas or not.

(2) All the mythologies like Ramayana, Mahabharata etc are Sanskrit novels to enjoy or one can learn anything from those literatures. Never a binding law to follow : Unlike Qu'rand which is believed, words of Allah Dalla (the Pimp) has to be followed word by word , even if it is claimed " words of God" by a pedophile , Criminal like MoHamMad.

(3) Even if one takes Qu'rand as the last and final words of Allah Dalla and the Pedophile Prophet MoHamMad as his last messenger and Qu'rand the last message of the Dalla(Pimp). Questions remain : For last 1400 years what the Pimp God of Islam is doing after delivering his last message?? Jerking off more Qu'rands? Or just lying in his death bed and waiting (wetting her vagina) for the Judgment day to come ? Can any Muslim Pig answer?


Hey Ibrahim...where are you?

Hey Ibrahim...where are you? I think we need some more of your cut and past of the Queeran.


PC, I think there is book by

PC,
I think there is book by an ex-islamist where in he talks about the financial contracts that are offered to people to get them into their islamic groups.
i have been profiling christian converts (in west) to islam and it all starts with criminals, paedophiles, murderers and some people who cannot make their rational judgements like people with learning disability as was the case recently with a neo-converts to islam in United Kingdom or a canadian woman in saudi

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/024671.php

They focus on teens, drug addicts and gangs in London by offering them different carrots(bribes).


XXXX -Amim Hindus are very

XXXX -Amim

Hindus are very intolerant and violent, because veda teaches them so.

Best thing for you is to gather your beard monkeys and burqua clad clan and run to some islamic paradise in and around arabian desert. You will be very near your arshraf arab masters, you could be a true abid!
What else could a beard monkey like you seek! So run!!


Dear " Abul Kasem " are you

Dear " Abul Kasem " are you not bored reading Qu'rand and finding contradictions which are supposed to be there ?

As it is written by some sub-human barbarians. I mean collections of idiotic stories dreamed by some uneducated , uncultured, uncouth idiots? LOL

And the Muslim cretins believe ; Qu'rand is words of Allah The Dalla(pimp). Ha Ha Ha

What a wastage of time Ha Ha Ha !!!!


"""Learning Says: February

"""Learning Says:
February 2nd, 2009 at 3:19 pm

Hey Ibrahim…where are you? I think we need some more of your cut and past of the Queeran."""

And where did you learn Ibrahim was copy/pasting like you?? LOL


hello friends So Amin is

hello friends

So Amin is back to her monkey tricks. Just for the benifit of the Forum I will refute this person who calls himself Amin ( though I am sure its a she and not he, so should write Amina)

Okay let us refute Amin logically

What Amina here has done is a case of a major logical fallacy called Ad Homenieum. It means justifing one's actions on the basis of some else actions. For example if some one were to kill 10 people and say that his neighbour killed 3, his crime is not less pardanoble. This wont in stand in a court of law.
I hope all of you got it, except ofcourse Amina.

2. Textually

All the verses that Amina has posted might be correct, however, the point is that these verses were written by scribes almost about the same time the OT was being written. So its predates the Quran by almost 5000 years.
In any case all of these verses were composed by bards, who composed verses in the honor or praise of their kings. This was a very common thing in all cultures. These verses are just relating events that took place at a particular time.
Wherever they are true or not, no1 will ever know because t\scribes in those days would go over the top in order to please their kings. These guys must have done the same.
These verses are in no way binding orders on Hindus which are to be followed word for word. They are merely historical texts today which are merely read only by scholars.
In any case the Hindus then as now dont claim that these books were divinely ordained. Anyone reading these verses will get to see that there are no open end commands as is the case in the OT, asking Aryans to kill all the melachas.

In any case, there was nothing called Islam or Christianity in those hence the whole mokey buisness of Hindus being told to kill muslims is hogwash.

Futhermore, Amina believes that these verses are created by Humans and donot come from God ( if god exists in the 1st place) hence by what moral authority is she using a book which she believs is nonsesne and created by humans.
This case is so weak that it should not even have come for consideration. However since some of my friends insisted I am doing this last refutation.
Kindly don't ask me fall from grace the next time by refuting Amina's allegation which even a 2 year old kid will laugh at.


by the way, amina signed off

by the way, amina signed off by saying that Hindus learn to attack Islam and Muslims at ashrams. they are not ashrams but gurukuls.

On second thoughts I really wish that gurulkuls would have taught that stuff to the Hindus. Man My ancestors would have never had to convert to Islam and today amina would not have to defend a Arab ideology.


Hi A-pedo-MIMe; How about

Hi A-pedo-MIMe; How about asking your mentor Jerk off Zakir Naik to answer : What your Allah Dalla is doing for last 1400 years after delivering his/her last message Qu'rand?

Jerking off new editions of Qu'rand ?

Producing new pedo prophets like Osama Bin Lund (Osama without a dick)or your mentor Jerk off Zakir Naik?

Or just jerking off as he/she has nothing more to do?

Are you satisfied with the present version of Qu'rand or you need some Bible, Veda to support your Allah Dalla's evil designs? I mean rape , kill, etc.?

Bible, Vedas , Torahs etc have a lots of rape and murders , much more than Qu'rand . How about reforming your Qu'rand so that Qu'rand can become the best manual of rape and murder? Better than any other religious scriptures? Better in terms of Killing Raping and all the goodies Islam stands for?? Ha Ha Ha Ha


Amina said Hindus are very

Amina said

Hindus are very intolerant and violent, because veda teaches them so.

Ibrahim says

lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Poor Amin, I feel sorry for

Poor Amin, I feel sorry for her to see her jumping like a monkey from one topic to another without even trying to understand anything. To everyone in the Forum, avoid Amin and I am telling you she will disappear like a fart in the wind.


AMIM do keep visiting

AMIM do keep visiting


Hi . ibrahim ; You are

Hi . ibrahim ; You are talking about the Muslimah "Amin," " Amina" or the Muslim cretin , a Baby of Jerk off Zakir Naik " A-pedo-MIMe " ?

Either way She has no chance to reach the Islamic whore house heaven I can vouch for. She is more a Hindu than a Muslim Pig . Genetics .

Hindu Gene is more effective and more powerful than the Islamic Gene. This cretin is better versed in Vedas than Qu'rand. .All converted Muslims of Indian sub-continent sound the same. She has not yet become a full fledged Muslim Pig like her mentor Jerk off Zakir Naik ( who is a sub-human and a sub-Muslim at the same time) Sub-Muslim means a non-Arabic Muslim Ha Ha Ha Ha


AMIM as you are self

AMIM as you are self proclaimed ISLAMIC Scholar is tobacco & its products allowed in ISLAM.


Halal Pork, stop talking like

Halal Pork, stop talking like that. What do you mean by she is more Hindu genetically? There are Hindus in Malaysia, Myanmar, Nepal. There are hundreds and thousands of Western people who are converts to Hinduism. Are they genetic Hindus.
What do yo mean by a genetic Muslim? If you mean an Arab, then there was a time when those Arabs were not Muslims?


Raja as far the question of

Raja as far the question of tobacco is concerned, it depends. If the ruler likes tobacco then its halal and he does not like it its haram.


But what does quran say.Its

But what does quran say.Its the only way for ISLAM to decide do & donts


XXXX Amim It is so

XXXX Amim

It is so interesting to discover that you have some concerns about human rights issues.
Just one month back, you were so ecstatic on Bombay massacre that you were doing a cyber-dance of sorts right here at this forum, ready to kiss the ass of any muslim who did it!
What caused this transformation beard monkey?


AMIM good to see you some

AMIM good to see you

some civilian ways of ISLAMIC Countries

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\11\21\story_21-11-2006_pg12_11

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20086\19\story_19-6-2008_pg7_7

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\11\19\story_19-11-2008_pg1_9

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\112\story_2-11-2008_pg13_6


Ibrahim, I like your

Ibrahim,
I like your postings. Keep up the good work.
Regarding this foolish AMIM, he is actually a transvestite (a chakka in urdu), and it is no aspersion on him. This guy was appearring with an ID iLuvu earlier, openly trying to woo some members here. To one member, he wrote a mail posing as a girl. Right here, a few days back he wrote a comment as a girl married to a muslim man.
Then, alluding to another member Marie, he stated that his dick is circumcised, which is what christian and hindu ladies really like.
These are all his words, recorded at this site.
It is a clear indication that this man has unnatural sexual desires arising out of his islamic upbringing and repressive background. A confirmed stupid that we all know he already is, please don`t take his postings clearly lacking any arguement, logic, or intellectual content seriously. Cheers.


AMIM displays no sense

AMIM displays no sense whatsoever.

Islam teaches that the Quran is the ONLY real text from God. Then by definition, the Bible, the Vedas, et. al. are false.

Q: So if the Bible, Vedas, et. al. are false, why even bother attacking it?
A: Muslims are insecure.

One notices this pattern throughout the Muslim world: anytime anything goes wrong in a Muslim nation, it's ALWAYS the non-Muslim world's fault; but anytime anything goes well, "all praises due to Allah."

AMIM's attempt to divert attention from Islam is then expected.


I recently read a joke

I recently read a joke somewhere which I find is apt here..
Q how many muslims does it require to change a light bulb?
A None and they will blame the jews for their darkness.


Getting back to the post's

Getting back to the post's original topic...

The Quran contains contradictions because it wasn't revealed from God in the first place. Instead, Muhammad simply conjured up verses to suit his whims and fancies.

It's like the South Park episode "All About the Mormons?" in which they make fun of how Joseph Smith (the Prophet of Mormonism) just made up revelations. But Mormons don't threaten to kill anyone who makes fun of their religion, so it was easy to make that episode. Muslims on the other hand are extremely violent, so they haven't done an episode on how Muhammad simply made up the Quran--but the principle is the same.


Hi,amin did we hindus kill so

Hi,amin did we hindus kill so many muslims?Really.I am happy.I always thought we r the injured party.Thanks for the information.It means muslims can be killed.

Guys,just ignore this person.amin is taking a lot of our space in this forum.

From this day amin has died!! AMEN,may her troubled soul rest in peace.


Paki_Islamist

Paki_Islamist wrote:

Ibrahim,
I like your postings. Keep up the good work.
Regarding this foolish AMIM, he is actually a transvestite (a chakka in urdu), and it is no aspersion on him. This guy was appearring with an ID iLuvu earlier, openly trying to woo some members here. To one member, he wrote a mail posing as a girl. Right here, a few days back he wrote a comment as a girl married to a muslim man.
Then, alluding to another member Marie, he stated that his dick is circumcised, which is what christian and hindu ladies really like.
These are all his words, recorded at this site.
It is a clear indication that this man has unnatural sexual desires arising out of his islamic upbringing and repressive background. A confirmed stupid that we all know he already is, please don`t take his postings clearly lacking any arguement, logic, or intellectual content seriously. Cheers.

The One Gunman wrote:

"AMIM displays no sense whatsoever."

Guys of course AMIM has unnatural desires and displays no sense whatsoever, because he is the result of Islamic inbreeding and incest.

Paki, I've heard AMIM is also prostituting himself/herself on the streets of Pakistan. It should be real easy to spot him/her.


Narendra Modi is the Chief

Narendra Modi is the Chief Minister of Gujarath state in India. He turned Gujarath into the most developed state in India. Muslims are slowly realising the slow-poisoning of Congress party in India

Modi visits Muslim areas in Godhra,Muslims greet him overwhelmingly
02/02/2009 08:02:50 http://deshgujarat.com/2009/01/27/modi-visits-muslim-populated-areas-in-...

Large number of Muslims, holding national tricolour, greeted the Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi during his visit to the densely populated Muslim areas such as Polan Bazaar, Signal Faliya, Satpul Ol, Goya Mohalla, Badri Mohalla, Vhorvad, Ambli Faliya, Sathadiya Bazar, Adumbar Kuva, Makanpura, Kadiavad, Bavani Madhi, Savlivad, Gondara etc. in Godhra town on the night before Republic Day.

Muslims community in Polan Bazaar had decorated their homes and illuminated them marking the 60th Republic Day celebration. Banner welcoming Narendra Modi could be seen outside the streets in Muslim areas.

Modi was in Godhra for the official Republic Day celebrations of Gujarat government.

Godhra’s Ghanchi Muslim Samaj had submitted a letter to the Panchmahal’s District Collector Milind Torwane, requesting to organise Modi’s visit to the Polan Bazaar and arrange a felicitation for the CM there.

Vipul Agrawal, the In-charge of the district Supritendent of Police of the Panchmahals district, who was part of Chief Minister’s motorcade convoy during Modi’s visit to Polan Bazaar, told agencies that they had found it difficult to control the crowd who were very eager to greet Modi.

The Panchmahals district and police administration took upon the responsibility of Modi’s visit to this most sensitive area and Modi halted his car in the area to greet Muslim youths and shook hands with them.

The security agencies from Gandhinagar were against Modi visiting the sensitive Polan Bazaar locality. Muslim youths offered flowers to Modi. A Muslim youth Mustafa Musa Pathan put on the mask of Modi on his face and did acting of Modi standing in a jeep which was a part of rally which moved into Godhra town and the District Collector Torwane awarded a cash prize of Rs 5,000 to the youth.

Modi preferred to halt his car in the Polan Bazaar saying that they are all members of five-and-half crore population of Gujarat.

Modi’s car convoy consisted of only three cars as he did not want big convoy of cars. It took more than 15 minutes for Modi’s convoy of cars to move into Polanbazar locality where the people had lined up on both the sides of the roads. Modi honoured eminent five Muslim leaders in the Republic Day function.


The One Gunman wrote:“AMIM

The One Gunman wrote:“AMIM displays no sense whatsoever.”

I thought she/he display a typical signs of Internet Addiction which is an an impulsive-control problem. Very prominent in people with psychologic disorder gearing for attention. They are deprive of the attention, thus they go to all the various cyber social network ... into multpile postings and bizzard messages just for fun. They get the kick [ like drugs addict] when somebody respond to their messages. Exacly like the flasher. So to treat such people : ignore their messages. Do not respond as if they do not exist at all. Its a very painful for them when people ignore them.

I have come across another teacher trainer from China doing her Phd in Teaching. She did the same too.. posting bizzard messages in the group and she monitor the people reaction to her messages. This whole cyber adventure is nothing but her research. I guess her correct. She is doing her doctoral thesis on social dynamics of online religious groups.

My observations of her messages are: she designs an intrinsically meaningless
post, posts it in all different sorts of religious groups, and monitors what meaning the various groups attribute to the meaningless. In that sense, she is holding up a mirror. A mirror has no content. It contains only what each viewer temporarily places in it. Her post have no content, they are meaningless constructions and the experiment is to see what meaning ppl give it.

Narcassist is a person who is obsess with their own reflection... exactly like a mirror.


Hello Friends Kidnly take

Hello Friends

Kidnly take note of this imporatant annoucement:

A new addition has been made to the library section of FFI. A presentation on Bangladesh and its minorities has been added to this section. Its a must see for all those who wish to see what is happening and has happened in Bangladesh. An excellent presentation, with an excellent collection of events in cronological order. Must see for everyone.

Those interested can go to the Library section of FFI and click on the lower most tab which has been added to FFI. Kindly pass on this information to as many site and non site members as possible. Best of all this presentation is wodnloadable and can be Emailed to others.

Take care.


Nurudhula I have an

Nurudhula

I have an impotant, I have just joined the Ex-Muslims Forum on FFI. You are invited to come and join me, as it is an excellent place to meet other Ex-Muslims. The thread has been created by Gabriel Fareil, who is himself an Ex-Muslim. Do come, it will be nice to interact and exchange ideas in the Forum.

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Raja There is no command on

Raja

There is no command on the usage of tobacco on the Qur'an. The Arabs were not aware of something called tobacco. However some of the schools use a few verses from the Qur'an out of context inorder to tell people that it is haram to smoke. However the point is that it all depends, I mean if the ruler of Saudi Arabia like tobacco then tobacco will be haram. Most schools including the Hanafis, which most Indian muslims follow cosider tobacco as something that is not good, however there is no ban on usage of tobacco.

There are various things that are not neccesarily Haram or halal. Some things fall in categories inbetween.


the haram halal list of

the haram halal list of harami moscums is so detailed that even moscums are getting tired of the damned list!
Harami moscums will never be satisfied with aything.The reason is the chopped dik they have.When the dik is chopped the moscums brain also gets chopped and moscums behave in a set pattern


Hey Raj, in my experience,

Hey Raj, in my experience, those muslims who smoke are more likely to be nicer and less fanatic than those who don't. You see, muslims can't drink alcohol, can't do this, can't do that. Man, if they are not allowed any vices, where does all that pent up energy go? Poor wifee, eh.

As to tobaco, i think there is a verse in Quran not to allow harmful substances into the body. Hence some muslims say tobacco is haram.

On the other hand, Ayahtollah Khomehni says marijuana/hashish is ok.


proudkafir Says: "Harami

proudkafir Says:
"Harami moscums will never be satisfied with aything.The reason is the chopped dik they have.When the dik is chopped the moscums brain also gets chopped and moscums behave in a set pattern."

Sorry proudkaffir, but I have to disagree with you about the alleged effect of male circumcision on the brain. Even ex-Muslims like Ali Sina, Ibrahim and myself were circumcised when young by our parents and we were given no choice in this matter. I, if given a choice, would have preferred to have a say in this.

However I am sure that on reflection you will agree that this has had no effect on our brainpower. Look at the Jews who practice circumcision - this has had no effect on their brains judging by the number of Nobel laureates produced by them.

It is the poison of Islam that has this effect on the brain. Discard Islam and suddenly the mind clears and you can now begin to think clearly and logically.


As to tobaco, i think there

As to tobaco, i think there is a verse in Quran not to allow harmful substances into the body. Hence some muslims say tobacco is haram.

I dont think that there is any verse like that in the Qur'an. The only verse that is there is which says that donot kill yourself with your own hands. This verse was told by Muhammad when had to go for Jihad and he left Utman and Abu Bakr in charge. This verse actualy meant that these two should not overload the converts with religious obligations, such that they don't develop a dislike for islam.


Proud Kafir I know that

Proud Kafir

I know that circumcising is not a very good practice, as it leads to the loss of valuable tissues and I had a choice at the time I was circumcised, I would have said no. However I never had the choice but to undergo the Khatna.
Several young children loose their lives due to blood loss that is incurred due to this medevial practice. Many Muslims still invite the barber to do this procedure as they believe that going to a doctor and getting a child self circumscised under medication is not Sunnah.
Many kids contract infections due to this stupidity of their parents.


when people who read the

when people who read the Qur'an read it like a story book by man this is what happens. When they read only translations and they do not read it in the original Quranic Arabic, not the bazaar or just ordinary Arabic this is what happens. When you' have no knowledge or very little knowledge and when you're always in the negative towards Islam, then what do we expect from you. Your reactions & misinterpretation is nothing surprising.


abang said when people who

abang said

when people who read the Qur’an read it like a story book by man this is what happens.

Well abang, there are books written by men which are far superior to the quran. You as a muslims take it for granted that the Quran is from God, hence are spellbound by its stupidity,

When they read only translations and they do not read it in the original Quranic Arabic, not the bazaar or just ordinary Arabic this is what happens.

I have read the quran in Arabic, and its even worse than the translations.

When you’ have no knowledge or very little knowledge and when you’re always in the negative towards Islam, then what do we expect from you.

Why dont you share your knowlege with us. If you think that you know something we dont, then kidly share it with us.

Your reactions & misinterpretation is nothing surprising.

Really, why dont you tell us the truth, if you feel so confident.


All right! I agree that

All right! I agree that chopping the dangling thingie need not / will not cause brain damage! It was meant to be as a satirical note. I am quite aware that there are quite a few ex moslems ( actually ex moslem is not a good term to use, it's like ex convict! ) apostates here who have had their fore skin removed. they are perfectly sane and sensible human beings.I do not consider any one who is sensible and sane enpugh not to indulge in islamic evilness, as brain damaged just because they have had circumcision!
I do express my sincere apologies for that joke.
Coming to the fellow who has commented here about qran not being understood properly, i do have a few observations.99.9% of Non arabic moslems do not know or understand/ read arabic leave alone kafirs( i am a kafir who can read and write arabic!) It is meaning less statement to say that qran was mistranslated.For the benefit of the kaifr moslems can this guy translate the evil qrand in to english please? So let people see the exact uncorrupted qrand in action?
The msocums have always given the same excuse and have started all over again.1.Qran has to be read properly.2.Qrand has to be read with faith.3.Qrand has to be read with hadiths and tafsirs.4.qrand has been mistranslated and misinterpreted.5.Qrand can only be read when one can understand classical arabic! ( this is the most absurd excuse as even the arabs do not understand classical arabic but for a few handfull)6.Qrand can never be understood in any other language other than arabic 7.Qrand should not be translated in to kafir language! 8.qrand is the eternal word of god to be respected and read and not dissected.9.How dare you kafir question qrand.10.Behead those kafirs who doubt qrand.11.Rioting and destruction if the toilet paper qrand is shown on tv.
Qrand is a fancy arse wipe and has as much value as a used rubber, but for moslems qrand has a lot of value and has to be respected. earlier moscums used to riot and kill.The internet has really made allah the pimp a helpless concept.


I have come across perfectly

I have come across perfectly decent and nice arabs who happen to have moslem name and wear the thope and the table cloth.Infact the best moslem I have come across are the Iraqis and Bahrainis.Its unfortunate that the iraqis are getting the wrong end of the stick.The worst are the muttawas from sodi barbaria followed by palestinians, pakis, bongladesis and then indian moslems.I really do not know how to oppose islamic evil thought and at the same time be very nice to people who follow this evil ideology.