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January 22, 2009
Sura 8: al Anfal (The Spoils of War)
8:9
Allah helped Muhammad with one thousand angels in succession (following one another: Gabriel led five hundred of them, and Michael led five hundred of them—ibn Kathir).
Contradiction: 3:125 says Allah helped Muhammad in Badr with five thousand angel soldiers.
Contradiction: 3:124 says Muhammad requested Allah to send three thousand angel fighters.
8:38
Allah will forgive unbelievers’ past if they accept Islam; if not, they will face the fate of their forefathers (i.e., exemplary punishment from Allah).
Contradiction: Allah says in 3:20 if the unbelievers do not convert to Islam leave them alone, Muhammad's duty is only to convey the message.
Sura 9: al Baraat (Immunity) or al Tauba (Repentance)
9:23
Unbelieving father, brothers are not protectors of converts of Islam; Muslims should not take them as guardians.
Contradiction: 17:23, 31:15 say respect parents even if they are unbelievers.
9:30
The Jewish claim of Ezra (Uzair) as the Son of Allah, or the Christian claim of Jesus as the son of Allah is blasphemous; Allah punishes them.
Contradiction: 2:221, 60:10 forbid Muslims to marry idolaters.
Contradiction: 2:62 says Christians will get rewards.
Contradiction: 5:82 says the closest in friendship are Christians.
9:71
Pious and charitable believers are protectors of one another; they obey Allah and Muhammad.
Contradiction: 9:116, 17:111, 32:4 and 42:28 say Allah is the only protector and helper.
Contradiction: 41:31, 32 say angels are our protectors in this life and the life hereafter.
Contradiction: 5:55 says Allah’s messengers are our protectors.
9:116
Sovereignty (dominion) of the heavens and the earth belongs to Allah; He controls life and death; Allah is the only protector and helper.
Contradiction: 3:180, 15:23, 19:40, 19:79 80, 21:89, 28:58 say Allah inherits from infidels and other creatures.
Contradiction: 9:71 says Allah’s messengers and the believers are the protectors and helpers.
Contradiction: 5:55 says Allah’s messengers are our protectors.
Contradiction: 9:71 says pious Muslims are the protectors.
Sura 10: Yunus (Prophet Yunus)
10:3
Allah created the heavens (first) and (then) the earth in six days (our worldly days—ibn Kathir. In the same measure of time as worldly days since there was no sun or moon at that time—Jalalyn.), and then He ascended on His throne; He regulates all His affairs from His firmly established throne; there is no intercessor except Allah.
Contradiction: 2:29 says at first Allah created the earth.
Contradiction: 41:9 12 says eight days of creation.
Contradiction: 2:117 says Allah creates instantly.
10:35
Allah, not the idols, guides to the truth.
Contradiction: in 4:78 Allah says all things are from Him.
Contradiction: in 16:93 Allah says He misleads who He wishes.
10:47
Allah has given each group of people, a messenger, a law, and a way of life.
Contradiction: 25:51 says if Allah willed, He could have sent apostles to every nation to instill fear in them, but He didn’t.
Contradiction: 28:46, 32:3, 34:44, 36:6 say before Muhammad, Allah did not send any messengers or Books to the Arabs.
10:64
None can change the words of Allah.
Contradiction: 5:41, 3:78, 2:79, 4:46, 5:13 say the Jews and the Christians tampered with Allah’s Book.
Contradiction: 2:106, 16:101 say Allah changes the Qur'an through substitution and abrogation of verses.
10:90
When flood engulfed Pharaoh, he submitted to Islam (i.e., Pharaoh became a Muslim).
Contradiction: 4:18 says Allah does not accept submission to Islam at the point of death, if one does not accept Islam before death.
Contradiction: 2:50, 7:136 say Allah drowned Pharaoh.
Contradiction: 10:92 says Allah saved Pharaoh.
Sura 11: Hud (Prophet Hud)
11:2
Qur’an teaches to worship none but Allah, and Muhammad is a warner, who brought glad tidings.
Contradiction: 12:100 says Allah allowed Joseph’s brethren and his parents to worship Joseph by prostrating before him.
11:7
Allah created the Heavens (first) and the earth (second) in six days; (then) Allah conducts justice from His throne which is above water; you will be raised after death (before Allah created the heavens and the earth His throne was above water—ibn Kathir).
Contradiction: 2:29 says Allah created the earth first.
Contradiction: 41:9 12 talks about eight days of creation.
Contradiction: 2:117 says Allah creates instantly.
11:38
Noah’s people ridiculed him for constructing an ark.
Contradiction: 54:9 says Noah’s people expelled him from their town.
11:42 43
Noah's son (Noah’s fourth son Yam, he had refused to embrace Islam and join Noah in his ark—ibn Kathir) was drowned in the flood because he was a disbeliever.
Contradiction: 21:76 says Allah saved Noah’s family that included his son.
11:69
Abraham entertained the two angel-guests (the term ‘two messengers’ in this verse means two angels—ibn Kathir) with a roasted lamb, but the messengers refused to eat.
Contradiction: 25:7 says all Allah’s messengers roamed markets and ate ordinary human food.
11:77
Angels, as Allah’s messengers, came to Prophet Lot.
Contradiction: 12:109, 21:7 say Allah sends only men as His messengers.
Contradiction: 27:82 says Allah also sends a beast as a messenger to mankind.
Contradiction: 6:130, 22:75 say Allah sends jinns and angels as His messengers to their respective species.
End of Part 4.
To be continued in part 5.
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I think all the
I think all the Contradictions in Qu'rand are not unintended . Most probably Contradictions are deliberate as that helps the billy goat Mullahs ( incarnations of MoHamMad and representatives of Allah Dalla) to have their pick while issuing Fatwa which serves their vested interests. They can choose any verse if that serves their purpose and ignore the other .
The gullible Muslims can't read or understand Arabic and depend on the Mullahs' interpretation of Qu'rand , the Contradictions are of great help for the Mullahs to exploit the Muslim mass.
Best example is Jerk off Zakir Naik , who finds every thing in Qu'rand to be-fool gullible Muslim mass.
No wonder Muslim politicians hate and fear this site FFI .
It was through Zakir Naik
It was through Zakir Naik that I came across Ali Sina and FFI. I used to watch Peace TV a lot (only Zakir Naik's programs) for comic relief. But no doubt I admired this man's memory in spite of all the inanities that came out of his mouth.
Then one day it struck me to do a search for Zakir Naik in Google. At that time the third or so site was Ali Sina vs Zakir Naik...Man..its been a joy ride ever since..I must thank Dr. Zakir Naik for this unwitting service of his...
I have introduced many Muslims to this site...Today I can vouch for the fact that they are ill at ease to discuss Islam with me, confirming that Islam's foundation has been shaken...the aura has been destroyed...The quran and the hadiths has been badly exposed...
Now when I try to draw them into a debate they retort by saying..."Lakum din-o-kum va le ya deen" i.e..."You follow your religion and we follow ours" ..sic!
This website has been
This website has been brilliantly refuted by the excellent website of Osama Abdullah known as answering-christianity dot com. It’s a brilliant site which I am busy studying in detail right now and has a wealth wealth wealth of information which totally refutes the content here.
Allah is the Greatest
Mr. Abul Kasam has done a
Mr. Abul Kasam has done a great job of exposing the fraud of Quran.
Allah the Greatest seems to have a serious case of Attention Deficit Disorder.
Apart from the contraditions, the Quran is such a badly written book and needs a competent editing.
Eternal Muslim a.k.a Osama
Eternal Muslim a.k.a Osama Abdullah has gone berserk....the quran has driven him nuts...
Eternal Muslim: LOL, if that
Eternal Muslim: LOL, if that is a "brilliant" job, then shouldn't I be convinced that Islam is the truth after reading it? Sadly, I am not left with this impression at all.
After reading the site that you posted, I am actually filled with confidence that Osama Abdullah is entirely closed-minded and ignorant in his research. His so-called refutes are the same old half-baked Islamic rhetorical nonsense. I thought he would refute things so brilliantly that I would be convinced he was right, and that you had some credibility in supporting him. But it seems my initial judgment of you still stands more than ever now - you are just a deluded fool if you believe in this embarrassment called Islam. Have you no shame? So embarrassing for you!
Please...this website needs
Please...this website needs to be translated into spanish. Latins and Spaniards are pretty ignorant when it comes to the subject of Islam. Any volunteers?
There are 72 contradictory
There are 72 contradictory Muslim sects, but they're all teaching the "truth." Isn't that funny? But if you're a Muslim, you'll fight to the death claiming that all those Muslim contradictions are true. It's funny when the Muslims claim that all contradictions are true. Of course Christians know that it's tragic when Muslims kill each other as they claim that they're contradiction is true and the other guy is wrong. Did you know that Sunni Muslims call Shiite Muslims "infidels? And did you know that Shiite Muslims call Sunni Muslims "infidels"? That's why they murder each other every day. Sad, sad.
Well, Hindus of the upper class, have you drunk out of an "untouchable's" cup to prove your love for him? What did you say? The "untouchable's" cup was dirty? Well, damn it, then wash it and then drink out of his cup. Don't wait for a Christian to wash it for you. Do it yourself you damn lazy bum.
Mr. Ali Sina, I've noticed that more and more hateful people hate you. I'm sure you know the reason for that. They don't like you because you have chosen to be more like Jesus Christ than like Muhammad. That Jesus Christ sure taught some nasty stuff, didn't he? You know, things like "Love your neighbor." "Love your enemy." "Do good to those who hate you." "Feed the hungry." "Clothe the naked." "Cure the sick." That's really evil stuff, isn't it? The evil Muslims and evil Hindus also hated Mother Teresa for practicing all those evils mentioned above.
Mr. Ali Sina, they also hate you because you broke away from that paedophile, child molester, slave owner, polygamist, adulterer, hypocrite, rapist, murderer, Muhammad. It was a tough choice, but I commend you for breaking away from contradictory Islam, and that stupid false prophet Muhammad. Stay the course, friend. By the way, they also hate me for telling the truth. Hell, I'm used to being hated. I'm immune to all that hate. Yes, they hate all because I tell the truth.
I knew it. I knew it, when some of you atheists would fall into my Christian trap. I accused you that you admired atheistic Communism and atheistic Nazism. How so? You're an atheist, aren't you? Communists were atheists were they not? Nazis were atheists were they not? That makes you almost like blood brothers and admirers of each other in the area of atheism. "Birds of a feather flock together." Do you know what I mean?
Dear Christians and all other nice people, let's put the screws on hateful people, okay? Did you see how atheists fell into my Christian trap?
Hindus complain that mother Teresa could find only menial jobs for the "untouchables" picked out of Hindu Gutters. Let me show you evil Hindus how clever a Christian is. You evil Hindus mentioned "menial jobs." What are you saying to a clever Christian? You're telling me that "menial jobs" are beneath you. You're telling me that you're not humble. Gotcha! You're telling me that you are full of satanic pride. You're telling me that you hate about as much as evil Muslims. Can you see how clever Christians are? I'm a Catholic. Hindus and Muslims, even if you do hate, we Christians, who take our religion seriously, will continue to pray for you. May God bless you.
By the way, this Catholic has cleaned toilets many times. What's wrong with that? I don't find that beneath me. I give God thanks that he has allowed me to clean toilets. I'm talking about the God of the Christians and Jews, the God that has given us The Ten Commandments that Hindus and Muslims abhor.
May God bless you Hindus, Muslims, and atheists, and may you start thinking like a Christian. Horror of horrors, do you mean I have to love "untouchables," and Christians, and that I have to stop raping little girls?
I still can't get over it that Muslim perverts are waiting for a little child to shed her first drop of blood so that they can "marry" her and then rape her. Well, depraved Muslim perverts are worse than animals, aren't they? Even animals do not jump on their very young. It's different with depraved, old Muslim perverts, who are usually very ugly with long beards that are sometimes infested with lice, so I've heard.
Mr. Ali Sina, damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead with the truth. Keep up your good works. Amen.
Of all contradictions, I love
Of all contradictions, I love this one.
"10:47
Allah has given each group of people, a messenger, a law, and a way of life.
Contradiction: 25:51 says if Allah willed, He could have sent apostles to every nation to instill fear in them, but He didn’t.
Contradiction: 28:46, 32:3, 34:44, 36:6 say before Muhammad, Allah did not send any messengers or Books to the Arabs."
Only one contradiction suffice to discredit the quran.
farishta wrote: "Allah the
farishta wrote:
"Allah the Greatest seems to have a serious case of Attention Deficit Disorder."
As someone with Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder, I can say Allah does not have attention ADD, he has a serious case of stupidity.
Dear proudchristian, when you
Dear proudchristian, when you mentioned "quran," you were referring to The Muslim War Manual, weren't you?
Hey Philip Saenz, You got it
Hey Philip Saenz,
You got it all wrong about "evil Hindus also hated Mother Teresa". What makes you say this? And untouchability is almost a thing of the past...Have you ever been to India?
From your posts I can make out that you are quite bigotted...quite unlike Jesus...I am sorry...but how can you call yourself a follower of Jesus? You are off the track as far as Jesus' teachings are concerned...yes quite nasty are his teachings and I don't think the likes of you got his point.
Really sorry about you... but I think you hate Hindus, Muslims, and atheists...you can't see that they too are humans like you...
See...we are here against a cult..an Evil Cult...not against humanity...
I have nothing against you...but your ideology also sucks...please don't claim that you love Jesus..
antihuman wrote: Hey Philip
antihuman wrote:
Hey Philip Saenz,
You got it all wrong about “evil Hindus also hated Mother Teresa”. What makes you say this? And untouchability is almost a thing of the past…Have you ever been to India?
From your posts I can make out that you are quite bigotted…quite unlike Jesus…I am sorry…but how can you call yourself a follower of Jesus? You are off the track as far as Jesus’ teachings are concerned…yes quite nasty are his teachings and I don’t think the likes of you got his point.
Really sorry about you… but I think you hate Hindus, Muslims, and atheists…you can’t see that they too are humans like you…
See…we are here against a cult..an Evil Cult…not against humanity…
I have nothing against you…but your ideology also sucks…please don’t claim that you love Jesus..
Jesus said love one another and to love the sinner. I will admi while I am not perfect, but I do try to follow his teachings about love, which I see some of my fellow Christians do very little of.
It is pointless to get into arguments with nonbelievers, because it will lead to more hatred and anger.
It is pointless to insult and denigrade another person's religion, because it will only lead to more hatred and anger. Plus it makes the person look like a bigot.
To my fellow Christians, Jesus said in Luke 9:4-5:
4Whatever house you enter, stay there until you leave that town. 5If people do not welcome you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave their town, as a testimony against them."
Eternal Muslim, Keep dreaming
Eternal Muslim, Keep dreaming and hoping brother....I just can't believe that someone is willing to defend Muhammad who beheaded about 800 Jewish Men of the Qurayza tribe in one day, then raped the women in the same night. you, eternal Muslim, being the idiot you are, stepped up to the plate. Show us your brilliancy and tell us how you consider a prophet a despicable trash of a human being like Muhammad. Enlighten us Mr. brilliant.
Philip, you will be doing
Philip,
you will be doing this website and its mission a lot of good if you stop eulogising how good christianity is ..
we are not here to discuss any other religion other than islam.
Whether Ali Sina is trying to be more like Christ than Mohammad is none of your business.. all religions including christianity have lot of evil stuff in them and i guess you should also not follow "holier than thou" attitude..
The mission and vision of this website is to enlighten the world about the terror book Quran and therefore please focus on what is wrong in that book instead of what is good in christianity..
For the same reasons , i am not pointing out stupid and evil stuff in other religions.
To all the readers of FFI, As
To all the readers of FFI,
As I have observed more recently, this site is becoming more like a launching pad for those who hated Christinianty to find reasons to criticize it. I have shown it here several times that the logic of those who view Christianity as dangerous as Islam is faulty because of one reason and that is – Christianity, as we speak, is the religion of the majority of all inhabitants of the earth combined. No one can disagree with this fact. The logical question that no Atheists or Hindus would want to answer is this; why is it that, if Christianity is the religion of the majority of all the world’s inhabitants, majority of all the terrorists are Muslims and not Christians? Another logical question is this, why is it that when a particular country’s citizens are mostly followers of the Judeo-Christian belief, the rule of democracy is most likely to exist?
Of course most Atheists and Hindus here will bring up verses from the Bible as to ridicule it more than anything else, but does this make the fact that the majority of the democratic world are Christians false? The West is dominated by Christians especially the USA and the USA leads in helping others regardless of what religious belief these unfortunate people belongs to. The weirdest thig is that somehow, most of these volunteers would rather refrain from showing that they are Christians for fear of being labeled as hypocrites. Christians’ connection to helping others is just a proven fact. Hindus have some form of charities but limited only in helping their own because of their own poverty problem and the Buddhists are more worried on their own survival in a communist world. Atheists however has nothing to do with charity because for them there is no reward for it. For Atheists, the theory of natural selection should not be prevented from happening. Those unfortunate masses have just got to go in order for the world to move on.
Lastly, as I have explained long time ago here in FFI, I noticed the connection between how evil civilizations despise Israel for some reason and the lack of support of the non-Judeo-Christian religious beliefs to the plight of the Israeli people. You can also see this phenomenon in a historical perspective, from the Romans, to the Babylonians, and from the Nazis to the Palestinians, all of them would eventually perish. This has nothing to do with coincedence. The more evil the ideology is, the more it would distance itself from supporting the plight of the Israeli civilization. This observation might be a little scary for everyone here. If you don’t believe me just google each one of the religious beliefs in the world with the atttached words “support for Israel”. I came up with this from top to bottom, which is top as the most hateful or the most unsupportive;
1. Islam
2. Atheism
3. Buddhism
4. Hinduism
Atheists are probably the most arrogant of them all. The reason why I said this is because they know they are the minority living in the USA but they are as loud as the Muslims when claiming their supposedly rights to follow their religion. Why is it that the more arrogant the followers of such false religions, the louder they get to yell at those who dominated them? These arrogant Atheists even have the propensity to ask to get rid of the Ten Commandments display in one of our courthouses and surprisingly the stupid politicians obeyed the whims of these arrogant minorites. Tell me atheists, show me one immoral commandment in this display that violates any human rights. They even attacked the innocent Christmas Tree and shred it to pieces like the Palestinians shred an Israeli to pieces with orgasmic expressions on their faces.
Evil is what evil does. You can hide in any form of secular liberal and atheistic ideologies but your actions could easily pinpoint your illness. Keep doing what you’re doing here in FFI diverting the discussions from Islam to attacking Christianity but this doesn’t make you not evil for helping an evil ideology which is Islam.
This site is run by a bunch
This site is run by a bunch of hindus to discredit islam.Try exposing hinduism you will get moderated.here you can try exposing anything expect Hindusim
Reason - Hindus worship stones and penis and elephant gods and try hard to find fault with Islam.I will trash hindus any time Insha Allah.Also I dont care about this site or these Hindus says
Hi " Maria "; Are you
Hi " Maria ";
Are you enjoying your fellow Christian Missionary "Philip Saenz " s Sunday morning sermons? Be a good Samaritan and help your fellow Christian to find a good Mental asylum.
Can any moslem defend this
Can any moslem defend this contradictions.I doubt it.
unfortunately, I still think islam will continue to thrive.
It is now amply clear that
It is now amply clear that FreedomFighter67 is an islamist who hijacks the real issue that we are trying to address here.. this site is here to enlighten people who since their birth are conditioned not to think for themselves. I fail to understand why muslims feel insulted if they know they are following the true religion. It goes against the logic.
FF67 ,
yet again you show your lack of intellect by thinking that all atheists are communists.. lot of atheist do lot of philanthropy.. when you listed civilizations that have disappeared, you should have also mentioned that indian civilization has continued to survive and that is only because it has been open to reform and has tried to absorb the good of all different civilizations that it came in contact with.. Had Islam shown only 1% of the tolerance that Hinduism has shown, its followers would not be killing innocents on the streets of entire world..
Eternal Muslim,
do you doubt your faith so much that you have to prepend eternal to your name all the time.. i suppose i will be your role model if i asked for a girl of 6 in marriage when i am 54 years old.. wouldn't i?
I have looked at your osama's website and it is very clear that that person has lost his mental balance.. he thinks that he can fool people by going round and round without actually supplying any proof...
true religion, you cannot
true religion,
you cannot convert a religion based on falsehood into truth by just repeating it ..
gone are the days when people could not raise their voice against it.. world has changed since moHAMmad died.. now you cannot silence the people who are rising against islam.. truth does not need any proponent.. it is clear to everyone..
do you have to fight for telling people that 2+2=4 .. No you dont. people know it...and it can be proven.. no one kills for proving that.. isn;t it.. then why do you have to kill people if they point out the falsehood called islam
Islam does not even need to
Islam does not even need to be banned. Simply removing every shred of its political power in western countries will be enough to make it crumble. The only thing that keeps Islam thriving at the moment is the idiotic support from western governments and the Politically Correct masses.
But Islam's fundamental concepts are so ridiculously flawed, stupid, and childish, that even a rational person with very little formal education is fully capable of seeing what backwards, babbling nonsense this cult is. The fact is that Islam cannot survive without western support. As far as the West is concerned, Muslims are damned if they do and damned if they don't. But these poor, wretched people are in a stalemate, as it's only a matter of time before the West wakes up and takes action at some point in this coming century. Muslims will eventually have to decide whether to become enlightened, or whether to perish as their cult loses it's political standing and crumbles around them. Survival of the fittest, so to speak.
Right now, Islam needs to be attacked and ridiculed with full force. Muslims need to feel very foolish and uncomfortable for believing in the filthy trash they follow. We need to expose the truth of Islam as something so dumb and embarrassing that nobody will even WANT to be associated with it, even if they legally could be. I see this as the natural future direction of Islam, since education will prevail. Countries like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia know Islam cannot stand up to the powerful truths of education, which is why they frantically block sites like FFI and Youtube which offer dissenting opinions on Islam.
This alone speaks volumes about the governments in those countries and how they truly see Islam's ability to "flourish". These leaders don't appear to have a lot of faith in Islam, since it seems they have to actively work at keeping their citizens ignorant and uneducated by blocking sites critical of Islam. They know people in their countries would be leaving Islam left, right, and center if they were ever allowed to research the facts unhindered and make up their own minds.
For example, Nazism today is still followed by a very small minority, but at one point in recent history it was massive. These days, people look at Neo-Nazis and laugh at the foolishness of their beliefs and just laugh at them and shake their head.
The same thing will happen to Islam eventually. There WILL come a day in the future when Middle Easterners and Westerners alike will look back at Islam with severe embarrassment. Middle Easterners will be so deeply embarrassed and apologetic that they ever fell victim to such an evil cult (like Germany and Japan are today about their WW2 involvement). And western appeasers of Islam will similarly look back with huge embarrassment and shame that they permitted Islam to flourish.
Sadly, I think it will take WW3 to occur before we come to this realization, as the human race cannot go even 50 years without some crazy group of people trying to take control. Worse still, we are not learning from history and that is just shameful. Let's hope that future generations of humanity are not as ignorant and stupid as our society is right now.
Jeraldo, The lack of
Jeraldo,
The lack of understanding of what is evil is what brought Islam to where it is now, a force to be reckoned with. The West has ignored Islam for so long due the communist threat during the Cold War. In fact we took advantage of using its ideology to repel the Soviet invasion in Afghanistan. We supported Islam and its terrorists as long as its enemy is not us. To make it short, we ourselves created and unleashed a monster under the stairs and this monster now is out of control and attacking us instead of the Communists.
To make matters worse, the lack of understanding is compounded when we started to indulge ourselves in our addiction to fossil fuel during or about the time when the threat of the communist front were spreading throughout Asia. We basically almost sent all resources to harness this fossil fuel located in the vast reserves of the Middle East unknowing that the harmless Islamic bedoins tending their goats will be the future jihadis of Islam that will threaten our very existence. The whole world failed to recognize what Islam really is which was nothing but a small cancer cell waiting to grow into a powerful malignant tumor and we gave this cancerous Islam the resources to thrive in the desert – the fossil fuel, the black curse of humanity’s existence. We may never be able to kill this malignant tumor we call Islam, the best we can do is to suppress it making it incapable of threatening any healthy tissue, like it was before the oil industry boom. The only way to do this is to cut off its life support – the fossil fuel of death.
The West has been fighting the wrong war calling it the war on terrorism, the most idiotic term an intelligent civilization can ever come up with. We will never win this war unless we can recognize who the enemy is and everybody here knows who the enemy is, its none other than Islam. The terrorists are merely pawns. But as soon as the world achieve the realization that we no longer need the fossil fuel for consumption, a devastating blow against all the economies which depend on fossil fuel will have to be intitated, and guess what my friends, these are mainly the Islamic countries of the Middle East. The West’s economy will probably get affected by it but we’ll just have to be ready. It will get worse before it gets better.
To: Philip Saenz (There are
To: Philip Saenz
(There are 72 contradictory Muslim sects, but they’re all teaching the “truth.” Isn’t that funny?)
Are you sure there are less than 72 contradictory Christian sects? You hypocrite liar. In the first place they are different sects because they have differences and contradictions. And you mean Christian sects have never fought? Can you find bloodier history ?
(Well, Hindus of the upper class, have you drunk out of an “untouchable’s” cup to prove your love for him? What did you say? The “untouchable’s” cup was dirty?)
Hindu caste system, oppressive and oligarchic that it had degenerated to, had caused more harm to Hindu society itself. Making a certain section of society as untouchable had weakened their own society. No other society has such abominable history as to be under foreign rule for a thousand odd years as a consequence of fragmenting the society.
However, that has been a social malice, much like enslavement of negros was a social evil of the Christian societies. Hindus have reformed themselves much since the days of these malices, which are well-fed to you by your anachronous missionary masters as contemporary events. Hindus have elected an “untouchable” as President in recent past, they have “untouchable” as their Chief Justice in the present. So, don`t worry, a clean cup is used by all these days, there are good detergents available and for the cup itself doesn`t become untouchable afterall, even when a fool like you uses it.
(That Jesus Christ sure taught some nasty stuff, didn’t he? You know, things like “Love your neighbor.” “Love your enemy.” “Do good to those who hate you.” “Feed the hungry.” “Clothe the naked.” “Cure the sick.” That’s really evil stuff, isn’t it?)
Now the evil stuff.
Jesus says, "Blessed are the poor, for they shall inherit the kingdom of God." Blessed are the poor -- for what reason? Poverty is the source of all kinds of crimes, miseries, sufferings. But blessed are the poor -- good consolation, to keep the poor drugged. This consolation is far more successful than any drug, because drug wears out within hours. This drug has not gone out of the system of man for thousands of years: blessed are the poor. And what is the reason that they are blessed? -- because they are going to inherit the kingdom of God.
If the kingdom of God is the reason that makes them blessed, then poverty is not a blessing. It is just a means to the kingdom of God, where all pleasures will be available, all your fantasies will be fulfilled. Jesus has no idea how to destroy this poverty. He gives false hope, especially when he is known to do miracles.
When you serve somebody and you feel great, like you have mentioned in your post, you have reduced the other into a worm, subhuman. And you are so superior that you have sacrificed your own interests and you are serving the poor. You moron of a missionary, you are simply humiliating them.
If you have something, something that gives you joy, share it like many apart from Christian missionaries do. And when you share there should be no motive. A cloud full of water simply rains it gives it to all. But the missionaries have ulterior motives. They managed to convert whole of East Timor island tribal population, then created a new country when oil was discovered there. Perfect rascals with ulterior motives!
Forgiveness and Jesus, let us see. He is not a man to ask forgiveness of. He could not even forgive a fig tree which was out of season. He cursed it because he and his followers were hungry and the tree was without fruits -- as if the tree was inimical to them. He cursed the tree. And it was not the season for figs! And even if it was the season and there were no figs, what can the tree do? And what responsibility has the tree for them to be fed? And this is from a man who is thought to do miracles and change stones into bread, and water into wine.
And Jesus says, "Those who are not going to follow me will fall into the seventh hell for eternity. And they will be tortured in every possible way." This man does not know forgiveness. And if he cannot forgive you just because you have not followed him, how can he forgive those who are crucifying him? A simple logic -- nothing much is needed.
Even on the cross he wants to show to the Jews, "Look, I am the messiah, and you are all ignorant." He is asking God, "Forgive these ignorant people. They know not what they are doing." It is not forgiveness on which the emphasis should be laid, because this man is not forgiving -- his whole life is against it -- it is to prove all these people ignorant.
(Hindus complain that mother Teresa could find only menial jobs for the “untouchables” picked out of Hindu Gutters. Let me show you evil Hindus how clever a Christian is. You evil Hindus mentioned “menial jobs.”)
Let us begin with Teresa one by one. Teresa will not allow birth control; it is a sin -- sin against God. And what kind of God is this who can't see that the earth is overburdened with the population? People are starving and dying and he goes on sending people. Teresa is against birth control, because it is against God.
If population is not controlled, there is no possibility for this earth to be rich. And Christianity goes on praising poverty. When you praise poverty, how are you going to destroy it? When you respect and praise poverty, of course you are going to protect it. It is something respectable -- missionaries don't condemn it. They can't condemn it, because they are living off it, exploiting it.
Mother Teresa... where will she be, and who is going to give a Nobel prize to a Mother Teresa if there are not orphans dying in the streets? Those orphans are needed for a Mother Teresa to be. Those orphans are absolutely needed, otherwise the Nobel prize will be missed by Mother Teresa. So help in the creation of densely populated ghettoes, convert them. This is the essence of her service.
(By the way, this Catholic has cleaned toilets many times. What’s wrong with that?)
There is noting wrong in it, in fact there is everything right in it. Please continue. American public toilets are really filthy.
(May God bless you Hindus, Muslims, and atheists, and may you start thinking like a Christian.)
Every retard wants that his numbers may grow, just to feel assured that his false beliefs are right. Muslims want that too.
BTW, which God are you talking about here? The one who raped Mary (Joe`s wife) and reproduced JC. While it may be perfect for you to follow a rapist, it is not normal to many others. No wonder biggest rape statistics come from Christian societies.
Should you want more, I would like to continue to enhance your Christian vision.
Hi "Hekina " Well said----
Hi "Hekina "
Well said----
""--. But blessed are the poor — good consolation, to keep the poor drugged. This consolation is far more successful than any drug, because drug wears out within hours. This drug has not gone out of the system of man for thousands of years: blessed are the poor. And what is the reason that they are blessed? — because they are going to inherit the kingdom of God.
If the kingdom of God is the reason that makes them blessed, then poverty is not a blessing. It is just a means to the kingdom of God, where all pleasures will be available, all your fantasies will be fulfilled. Jesus has no idea how to destroy this poverty. He gives false hope, especially when he is known to do miracles.
When you serve somebody and you feel great, like you have mentioned in your post, you have reduced the other into a worm, subhuman. And you are so superior that you have sacrificed your own interests and you are serving the poor. You moron of a missionary, you are simply humiliating them.==""
That's what the old haggard Miss. Teresa was doing in India Kolkata. And she was called Mother Teresa!! Ha Ha Ha Ha They don't need an effluent society , they need the poor , to serve . Well said "Hekina ".
Jesus was condemned as a criminal and Mother Teresa is respected as a saint. There is something to be pondered over: if Mother Teresa is right then Jesus is a criminal, and if Jesus is right then Mother Teresa is just a charlatan and nothing else. Can you conceive of Jesus getting the Nobel Prize?Impossible! But Mother Teresa ???
I feel that only the true God
I feel that only the true God of Love, Buddha can provide a solution to this menace of Islamism.
He is the only true God and he loves everybody. He taught us to drink from the same cup as the untouchables. What a great God Buddha was, truly he was the One true God who blesses all of Humanity.
If Muslims and other evil people start following the commandments of the Buddha, I feel there will be peace all around. Only those who follow the great God Buddha can drink in the same cup as untouchables. He also teaches us in his Commandments that we should love all our Human brothers and sisters.
The great Lord of Love Buddha teaches us that we should not kill or lie or steal.
The Lord .... Buddha.
Halal Pork Have you heard
Halal Pork
Have you heard about the love of the true Lord Buddha. He is the only true God. He has given us 100 commandments. He loves everyone, please start thinking like the Lord Buddha wanted us to think, because he is the only true God, the God of a lot of Love.
"ibrahim" Says <<> Yes
"ibrahim" Says
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Yes "ibrahim" I have heard about Love, Gautama the Buddha, God and many kind of Commandments.
The thing is Love and fear can never coexist and all Commandments are part of Fear-oriented religion or you can call Cult. Don't do this ,don't do that---because fear is negative.
The Ten Commandments of Christianity and the Sharia of Islam are like two sides of the same coin. Both are fear-oriented--don't do this , don't do that--as if religion is nothing but avoiding things. Closing oneself in safety and security, never taking any risk, in fact not allowing yourself to be alive. It means repression. Repressoin is worse than expression, because through expression a person is bound to become free one day or other.
What ever I know about Buddha and Buddhism ; they are all about freedom and fearlessness which can lead one to love ( not the kind of Love according to the western people , they say they Make Love) Either one is in love or not in love how can one Make love?
Very funny concept of love is when a Christian tells you " I forgive you with great love"--as if there is small love and great love. Love is not a quantitative thing. Love is not a quantity at all, it is a quality. And quality is immeasurable: it is neither small not great.
It is said that Buddha never forgave anybody for the simple reason that he was never angry. How can you forgive without anger?
I love the statement of H . G. Wells about Gautama Buddha. He said that Gautama Buddha is the most Godless person yet the most Godly too.
Have a nice time on this site.
I admire the courage of Ali
I admire the courage of Ali Sina. Though I do not share his thoughts and convictions, his accusations and criticisms deserves to be taken seriously not only to refute his propositions but most importantly for us Muslims to reflect and do some soul-searching. It never an act of rational faith to be so defensive.
I would like to suggest that Ali Sina should follow the age old methodolgy of interpreting Qur'an or hadith. There are several factors, sources, principles, and a method to intepret a given verse of the Quran or hadith.
On the other hand, I am really saddened and afraid of some Muslims (including those are visiting this website) who are wanting of critical thinking. The lack of Critical Thinking (Quran 2;111) is extremely dangerous. "Man never do evil so completely and cheerfully", says Pascal, "as when they do it from religious conviction."
There is the video of muslim extremist here in the Philippines and I personally confirm how my fellow Filipino muslims "do evil so completely and cheerfully" in the name of Allah. Devoid of Critical Thinking and intoxicated by a strong religious conviction, they felt justified chopping off the head of Christian soldiers. Reviewing our midieval history we will come to know how both Christians and Muslims felt so justified to kill one another.
In an age where some few Muslims are grabbibing the attention of mass media and unfairly describes Islam as inherently violent --- deserves a second thought and a profound soul searching among us. If there is anything that we muslims need nowadays to remain in the right path, it is the Quran 2:111. It is The verse on Critical Thinking. In response to anyone who assert something as true, Allah advised the Prophet and all of us to:
"Produce your (scientific or logical) proof
If you are really telling the truth"
This verse is an open challenge and an invitation to us to critically examine any statements or injunctions before we swallow and act upon them.
(Under the strong religious conviction) I want you to know also that ALL RELIGIONS EXCEPT BUDDHISM, has the share in the history of violence against fellow human beings. However, it was not the fault of the scripture per se; it was because critical thinking is wanting in the faithfuls. I want to believe that the Quran (or any scripture ) is incomplete without Critical Thinking. There are good Hadiths and Verses from the Quran that highlights the value of Faith and Reason. The Quran and Critical Thinking can never be separated. Take away one from the other, and you will find yourself in both extremes.
Quran 2:111 is the verse for the intelligents. I invite my muslim brethren to anchor our Islamic Faith on this verse. Let us develop the habit of Skepticism. Always doubting and examining the rationality of the intepretations and applications of the Quran and Hadiths.
Very truly yours in Islam,
Sokratis Zen
sokratis zen your article is
sokratis zen your article is politely written (and I credit you for that unlike many of your fellow muslims) and thereby taking you as a completely rational, sane, enlightened and intelligent person. Now, responding to your suggestions to your fellow muslims, how could the critical thinking be deployed to discern the apparent contradictions displayed above? I want you to use your critical thinking to refute this contardiction:
“10:47
Allah has given each group of people, a messenger, a law, and a way of life.
Contradiction: 25:51 says if Allah willed, He could have sent apostles to every nation to instill fear in them, but He didn’t.
Contradiction: 28:46, 32:3, 34:44, 36:6 say before Muhammad, Allah did not send any messengers or Books to the Arabs.”
Look this contradiction is make it or break it all about prophet mo and Islam. If Mo could not have told it right about humans history throughout ages, how could you trust him on matters pertaining to God? I am eagerly waiting to hear how you respond to this.
Good night.