Golden Eggs of Rotten Islam in Pakistan

Amar Khan
Whenever anything is done in the name of Islam, howsoever noble intentions or lofty ideals have been of a few individuals, the end result is mullah rule. See the end result in Afghanistan & Iran, the two neighbours. Frontier provinces are repeating the same story. These few individuals you mentioned are free thinking people with hearts in right place. The majority is under the grip of Islam, and in due course, it is difficult for these liberal individuals in your article also to survive because of Hudood laws. Once mullahs start implementing them strictly, the matter would be over for these liberals as well.
The process of human regression under islam is very straight forward. First plant the seed of islam in a general population, then reproduce fast, gain converts and acquire majority. Following this, subsume in the name of islam and allah, naturally nobody opposes it. Then bring social structure in line with islam decimating the non-islamic minorities (more so especially if they are non Abrahamic faiths). Then bring in blasphemy laws since it is natural extension of islamic laws, and repress remaining minorities and apostates. Last straw comes with mullah rule, since everything is being done in the name of islam, as well do it as guided by Allah. Rationale is, everything belongs to allah, so his rule (shariah) must prevail. Entire society gets back to stone age.
Pakistan is another story in regression, unless the people are able to root out islam and connect with their glorious pre-islamic past.

Islamic evil is at the door step of India too and the talibans are 160 kms away from india! there are with in India millions of foot soldiers of allah. As I see it the only way to get this in to thick heads of moslems of India and Pakisthan, that they are not really true arab moslems as per qran also, is to translate qrand in to various languages and distribute.This is low way.the fastest way is BOMB mekkah the allah's birth place and blow the shitty black stone in to smitherns.Just like the moslems did to the Buddha statue in Upagansthan.What people do not know is Afghanisthan was called Upa gana sthan ( satellite town of India) and was hindu culture.Invading barbaric moslems created a mountain of hindu skulls ( thats why called hindu khush)Our secular bandicoots happily keep calling hindu khush mountain ranges and do not even realise the meaning of Hindu khush.If I am right Khush in persian means terminate, kill etc. Bring Back the cyrus the great and he will sort out the moslems!

Kam Bhaksh, Islam is so much ingrained in Muslims that it will be impossible to come out of it. Imagine someone reading the same bull$hit book several times a day! I believe even love won't win over such people. The best option is to use weapon to silence such Jihadis. The quiet Muslims will realize that Jihadis can be defeated and so Quran is wrong.

Amar Khan, you know that Pakistan is on the verge of returning to 7th century Arabic zoo. I am sure there are definitely some capable intellectuals who try to prevent such an apocalypse. I am afraid the number of Islamic lunatics may outnumber them. What might be the likely result?

Will Talibanization lead to mass exodus from Islam? Or will people fear the rule of Mullahs and live a wretched life? How will this impact Indian and Bangladeshi Muslims? Your thoughts will be appreciated.

Cheers champ,

Wagamama

Post script: I believe Amar means 'immortal' in Sanskrit. I have heard of Amir, which in Urdu means rich. I was wondering if you have changed your name recently.

wagamama

I think probably Amar must be meaning Amaar and not Amar.

Kam Baksh - I agree with your insights but how to correct the malaise.

Islam is a threat to all free thinking people and I am indebted to Ali Sina to have shown me the true face of Islam. Now how to remove this evil cult? Mr. Sina believes (and I hope he is right) that by spreading the truth Islam will die. I have doubts - in order to eradicate Islam, muslims need to be defeated decisively and then shown the truth that this is what the real Islam is and then weaned to other religions or philosophy. There has to be absolute ban on any literature of concerning Islam for 2 generations. Only then will Islam will get iradicated.

At the moment - the efforts are half hearted and in the main media no option is discussed in which the blame is put on Islam. It is repeatedly mentioned that few misguided youths are responsible for evil activities and majority of muslims cannot be held responsible for act of few.

New leadership has to emerge who can show the real face of Islam and the battle needs to be fought in the main stream media and not on the side lines.

Dismantling Islam could have been so much easy if heads of states stopped branding it "religion of peace", if high ranking websites like yahoo and google mocked Islam some way or the other, if western mainstream tv media like cnn and bbc stopped covering islamic events like the hajj and other stupid islamic rituals and if the building of mosques could be stopped in western countries.

Raman and Wagamama:
Islam`s demise is not going to happen without terrible bloodshed. The reason is, even though non-Islamic countries don`t want to fight due to appeasing policies, yet Islamists are going to continue the present conflict. Remember, they are fighting jihad in the name of Islam. So the current fight in Afghanistan & Pakistan will go on.

Before rising, Islam has to touch the lowest ebb and that is exactly happening in SWAT of Pakistan with arrival of taliban and sharia. The US will definitely put more pressure on Pakistan govt to fight the Talibans and Al quaeda. Also, US will target them directly for expediency sake, like it is doing now. In due course, one could see two things: One, Taliban influence also growing in Punjab and swelling the ranks of Islamic foot soldiers, while frontier provinces of NWFP and Waziristan falling under their complete control. Pakistan army, with divided loyalty would hunt with hounds and run with hare, ie, doing duty on both the sides. Second, due to rise in collateral damages and panic lest taliban should gain control of nukes, US and allies are going to engage directly in due course. At some point things will heat up. The reason being, China has done truce treaty with some Pakistan based extremist groups directly without involving Pakistan Government, and to maintain it on ground, would likely provide weapons to these extremist groups to keep their attention diverted away from Xinjiang. This situation has alarming undertones, but once this present low intensity conflict with taliban gets raised to the next level by the developing scenario, and possible civil war in Balochistan, some more countries (Iran, India)are likely to get sucked in this war leading to much more bloodshed, and at some point, people will start seeing clearly the root cause of all this is Islam. That will be the beginning of end of Islam, which will come about after this war gets over clearly linking all the bloodshed to islam, followed by open propaganda, scrutiny of all that is Koran, Mohammad, and Islamic, and channelizing mass conversions of Islamic faithheads to other faiths as part of reconstruction aid.

There is a huge difference between the times when islam flourished under the sword and now. The changes in the warfare game make it uneven and therefore numbers are a liability than an asset.
A small biological warfare can kill millions expecially those with low immune systems and who has that? muslmis because of inbreeding.
The best techno is available to infidels and therefore whatever happens, islam has to loose in a war. It may gain initially as people are still trying to please muslims in the hope that they will reform islam but a point will come when people decide that enough is enough..
that will be inflexion point for islam..and trust me, the destruction will be exponential compared to its rise...

Islam has always has had bloody borders! Since inception islam has been like that .Infact there is a book called Bhavishya puranna( true oxymoron) which means the history of tomorrow! this correctly predicts the birth of this monster called mohammad.It also correctly predicts a set of people who will eat anything and everything that moves except pigs and who will sleep with any one and who will be the perfect barbarians .They will subdue a lot of people by cruelty and sword and then they will be eliminated. He will do the things exactly opposite of what the vaishnavites do ( like cricuambulating the idols opposite way ) etc and will have no issue of his own! This charecter predicted in this Bhavishya purana is none other than Mohammad and the people described here in are moslems. Please if you can get your hands on this book, do read it. A bit like Nostradamus but more clearly explained.

As I see it, an armed conflict is inevitable. As always Muslims will start the conflict and will end up loosing it as always. However the good part will be that Islam will stand exposed and maybe due that people will finally get to see the evil of Islam and help as many Muslims as possible to get out over with the drug called Islam. Sadly this phase will not come before a lot of human blood has been shed. Millions will perish at the altar of death.
Truly Muhammad is the most influential man, the most effective cult leader ever born. Goodness, he managed to fool people through the last 1500 years and now millions will die bcos of his lies. What a shame.......

Pakistan Juvenile criminality
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i SPIT on the face of David Miliband , the coward who could not provide free movement to Greet Wilders , how can he ensure safety & security of British citizens , by bowing to demands of fear mongers and rabble rouser muslims.
if topic is controversial it needs to be listened , debated and then decided and not banned.
this idiot came to India and stated that all terror activities in India is due to policies of Indian govt on kashmir and that muslims should not be blamed at all for any violence.

This guy david miley banged is a typical politician and that too british! As its britishers speak with forked tongue and the british politician will talk with a hazar tongues.Dont believe him at all simple.

Ibrahim, what is the meaning of Amaar in Urdu/Persian/Arabic? I have heard of Umar and Aamir, but not Amaar.

First, I would like to say that I am still awaiting your response to a debate Amaar Khan. Come out of hiding Mr. Khan. I have sent a rebuttal to the FFi editors and Ali Sina himself on his facebook page. I formed a rebuttal to your article about pedophiliah in Islam. I do not see it posted here yet and i will suprised if the editors at FFI post it. If they do not then I would like to send the rebuttal to your e-mail account so you can form a counter ebuttal.

Now that i have gotten that out of the way let's deal with your newest article. i am glad to see this article for several reasons. First, you illustrate a point that many have been trying to voice for quite some time. that point is that NOT ALL MUSLIMS are fanatics. there are learned men and women from amongst the Muslims who speak truth and stand for justice. it is sad, that the world looks upon these people as being the minority and not the majority. Remember Amaar and others in here, there are close to 1 200 000 000 people on earth who call themselves Muslims. that is roughly one fifth the population of mankind. If the majority were fanatics,t he world would be in much peril. These fanatics are known for twisting truth and it is unfortunate that these few individuals are able to gather an audience.
It is unfortunate but not suprising. the prophet Muhammad prdicted this is many Hadith. He warned us that one of the signs of the day of reckoning is that the people will believe a liar, over one who is truthful, they will forge allegiance with the tyrant and fight against the righteous man. The unjust will be given providence over the just, and that the truthful one will be persecuted, while the liar will be praised.
This is what is happening in these 'so called' Muslim countries. there is NO such thing as a purist Islamic state or country in existence today. there hasn't been in decades. People in power always find ways to inject their views and agendas into political and religious affairs. this is why see such things happening in Pakistan, Iran, Iraq and other muslim majority countries.
This is why i am happy that this article was posted Amaar Khan.You don't disprove, but confirm islam in this article.

Kam Baksh,

I agree with your foresight. Eradication of Islam will not be possible without bloodshed and in long run each individual will have to be either for or against Islam. Muslims where they know they are in weak position will keep on harping on the peaceful nature of Islam and would draw support of the liberals. I also feel that in next 10 years Islamist will detonate nuclear bomb - most likely in India - this will open the eyes of psedo secularists and the battle line will be more clearly drawn.

I want to know, out of curiosity, whether you were muslim and how did you come out of it.(Prior to reading Faithfreedom I was under impression that it is impossible to take muslims out of Islam).

Regards

hello, Saadiq
Perhaps you aren't clever enough to understand why many ppl act as if they think every muslim is fanatics. Actually, all of us(except ones who were harmed by muslims) originally never thought all muslims were extremists. Unfortunately, when we started doubting that, muslims didn't stop. And now, when we really have bias against islamists, they are still as mute as fish - they still haven't done anything to calm down their own kind. the only thing they do is telling us to have sympathy on their causes. hell, everything is that simple? we cant because we are the majority of the world while you are the minority. You intend to force us to grant you what you wish as if you are the elite?
tell you, I am Eins on DanielPipescom. I had a debate with a muslim more about 2 weeks ago.(just check latest prince turki related article). That muslim, who claimed himself to be a professional, continuously assumes I am not intellectual just because I think koran is fake for every kind of reasons. I told him why koran, mohammad, allah, are , to me, silly.and the result was he could not talk back to me in many terms and called me a frog. So arrogant, right? 1 more "clever" thing he did was teaching somebody who is not a muslim that hamas must stop, jihad must change or do this, do that... although he should have taught such things to some islam extremists who gave comments on that site. see? a professional muslim...So-called moderate muslims do nothing to let non-muslims know that they can try to correct their mistakes. what else can we expect? Humans tend to consider the most salient traits of something as its whole.aren't you human?

sincerely.

Sadiq

You have come to the wong place. If you want to make a rebuttal, join the Forum, start a new thread and I am sure that Amar Khan will take it from there. Other ex-Muslims would also love to join the deabte if so you wish.

For another point of yours Sadiq, I agree that only a few Muslims are terrorists considering that Muslims are the second largest group of people after the Christians. However the soceity is driven always by a few, the rest follow like a herd of cattle without spending even an iota of there brains.
If that was not true, Afghanistan would never have been ruled by the Talibs, who were few in number considering the population of Afghanistan. Now the Taliban rule is spreading in Pakistan and soon will spread to the rest of Pakistan. The Taliban in Swat are not more than 3000 men and yet they have been able to capture such a huge area.
The Nazis, the communists, the facists, all were but a few men who ruled over many. However the difference is that while their ideologies died or are almost dead, Islam is there and will remain till it is done away with. The so called Extremists are the good Muslims, while the so called moderates are either their sympathizers or bad muslims.
So if you are upto it, we welcome your challange in the Forum. You may join the Forum and IM other Ex-Muslims for a debate. My ID for the Forum is KhudaDost.

no, no , ibrahim.
those ppl never completely died. even fascists.
I must say that they exist 4ever, except that their forms are reduced to somethings smaller.
4 fascist: a violent husband in a household, a country that wants to dominate issues of other countries for its benefit solely, etc
4 communist: they never disappear, especially in small or developing countries. their reduced forms are socialist, democracy parties...and even a little like republicans(except that republicans are usually conservatives)