Father Zakaria Botros on "The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet" - I
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[Published earlier on "Jihad Watch"]
Life TV’s Father Zakaria Botros recently ran a show dedicated to discussing the question of morality and how it is—or should be—one of the hallmarks of “prophethood.” At the start, he posed the focal question of the show: “Was Muhammad the prophet a moral man—the most upright man, worthy of being emulated by the world?”
He opened the show by relying on an Ibn Taymiyya quote, which evaluated the signs of prophethood. Taymiyya asserted that there are many false-prophets, such as Musailima “the Liar,” a contemporary of Muhammad. Taymiyya concluded that many of these so-called prophets are, in fact, “possessed,” and that the only way to determine the authenticity of any prophet is by examining his biography (sira) and deeds, and see if he be found worthy of the title.
Being that this is the first of several episodes devoted to examining the concepts of morality and prophethood (with the notion that the former reinforces the latter), the theme for this particular episode was “purity” (tahara): "Was Muhammad a 'pure' man?"—in this context, a question concerning his sexual mores (or lack thereof).
After the preliminaries, Botros looked at the camera and gave a stern warning: “This episode is for adults only! I am going to discuss many things that make me blush for shame, so please: have the women and children leave the room.”
He then asked Muslims watching to keep in mind the question “Is this the prophet I follow?” as he delineated some of Muhammad’s sexual habits.
First, from the Koran, Botros read verses unequivocally stating that Muhammad is the paragon of all virtue and morality, such as “And most surely you [Muhammad] conform (yourself) to sublime morality [68: 4].” He further quoted the ulema, such as Ibn Kathir, all insisting that Muhammad was the “Noblest of all humanity, and the greatest of prophets.”
Botros and his ex-Muslim cohost—the priest had insisted that it be a man for this particular show, lest he be too ashamed to delineate Muhammad’s sexual habits—discussed Koran 4:3, which “limits” a Muslim's wives to four, plus “what your right hands possess,” that is, slave-girls.
That was apparently not good enough for Muhammad, asserted Botros; an entire verse had to be “revealed” justifying more women for him (Koran 33:50). In fact, Father Botros has carefully compiled a list of all the women—66 are known—to have had sexual relations with Muhammad.
Botros said that was only normal: according to Sirat Al-Halabi, Muhammad can have a woman no matter what, even against her will; and if Muhammad desired a married woman, her husband would have had to divorce her. According to Ibn Sa’ad, who wrote another authoritative biographical account of Muhammad, “The prophet did not die till all women were permitted him” (see Kitab Al Tabaqat Al Kubra, v.8, 194).
The co-host, rather abruptly, interjected – “What of all those rumors that Muhammad exhibited homosexual tendencies?”
Botros dropped his face in his hands and mumbled, “So you still insist we discuss that?” The co-host was adamant, saying it was for Muslims’ own good to know everything.
Thus Botros, after profusely apologizing to his Muslim viewers, saying how embarrassing this was for him, declared: “Look! We’re merely readers here, bringing up what we have read in Islam’s own books! If Muslims don't like it, they should go and burn these books.”
The first anecdote discussed by the priest revolved around a hadith that, while some ulema say is “weak,” is, nonetheless according to Botros, present in 44 Islamic books—including some highly respected collections, such as Sunan Bayhaqi and Al Halabi.
According to this hadith, a man named Zahir, who used to declare that “the prophet loves me,” said that one day Muhammad crept unawares behind him and put him in a bear-hug. Zahir, alarmed, yelled, “Get off me!” After turning his head and discovering that it was Muhammad, he stopped struggling and proceeded to “push his back into the prophet’s chest—prayers and blessings upon him."
Another curious hadith contained in Sunan Bayhaqi and which traces to Sunan Abu Dawud (one of the six canonical hadith collections), has Muhammad lifting up his shirt for a man who proceeded to kiss his entire torso, “from his bellybutton to his armpits.”
Botros looked casually at the camera and said, “Imagine if the sheikh of Al Azhar [nearest Muslim equivalent to the pope] went around lifting his shirt for men to kiss his torso” (he proceeded to make smacking kissing noises, for effect).
Said the co-host: “Surely there’s more?”
Botros: “Indeed there is. No less than 20 Islamic sources—such as the hadiths of Ahmad bin Hanbal—relay that Muhammad used to suck on the tongues of boys and girls"...
[Stay tuned for part II of "The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet"]
Life TV’s Father Zakaria Botros recently ran a show dedicated to discussing the question of morality and how it is—or should be—one of the hallmarks of “prophethood.” At the start, he posed the focal question of the show: “Was Muhammad the prophet a moral man—the most upright man, worthy of being emulated by the world?”
He opened the show by relying on an Ibn Taymiyya quote, which evaluated the signs of prophethood. Taymiyya asserted that there are many false-prophets, such as Musailima “the Liar,” a contemporary of Muhammad. Taymiyya concluded that many of these so-called prophets are, in fact, “possessed,” and that the only way to determine the authenticity of any prophet is by examining his biography (sira) and deeds, and see if he be found worthy of the title.
Being that this is the first of several episodes devoted to examining the concepts of morality and prophethood (with the notion that the former reinforces the latter), the theme for this particular episode was “purity” (tahara): "Was Muhammad a 'pure' man?"—in this context, a question concerning his sexual mores (or lack thereof).
After the preliminaries, Botros looked at the camera and gave a stern warning: “This episode is for adults only! I am going to discuss many things that make me blush for shame, so please: have the women and children leave the room.”
He then asked Muslims watching to keep in mind the question “Is this the prophet I follow?” as he delineated some of Muhammad’s sexual habits.
First, from the Koran, Botros read verses unequivocally stating that Muhammad is the paragon of all virtue and morality, such as “And most surely you [Muhammad] conform (yourself) to sublime morality [68: 4].” He further quoted the ulema, such as Ibn Kathir, all insisting that Muhammad was the “Noblest of all humanity, and the greatest of prophets.”
Botros and his ex-Muslim cohost—the priest had insisted that it be a man for this particular show, lest he be too ashamed to delineate Muhammad’s sexual habits—discussed Koran 4:3, which “limits” a Muslim's wives to four, plus “what your right hands possess,” that is, slave-girls.
That was apparently not good enough for Muhammad, asserted Botros; an entire verse had to be “revealed” justifying more women for him (Koran 33:50). In fact, Father Botros has carefully compiled a list of all the women—66 are known—to have had sexual relations with Muhammad.
Botros said that was only normal: according to Sirat Al-Halabi, Muhammad can have a woman no matter what, even against her will; and if Muhammad desired a married woman, her husband would have had to divorce her. According to Ibn Sa’ad, who wrote another authoritative biographical account of Muhammad, “The prophet did not die till all women were permitted him” (see Kitab Al Tabaqat Al Kubra, v.8, 194).
The co-host, rather abruptly, interjected – “What of all those rumors that Muhammad exhibited homosexual tendencies?”
Botros dropped his face in his hands and mumbled, “So you still insist we discuss that?” The co-host was adamant, saying it was for Muslims’ own good to know everything.
Thus Botros, after profusely apologizing to his Muslim viewers, saying how embarrassing this was for him, declared: “Look! We’re merely readers here, bringing up what we have read in Islam’s own books! If Muslims don't like it, they should go and burn these books.”
The first anecdote discussed by the priest revolved around a hadith that, while some ulema say is “weak,” is, nonetheless according to Botros, present in 44 Islamic books—including some highly respected collections, such as Sunan Bayhaqi and Al Halabi.
According to this hadith, a man named Zahir, who used to declare that “the prophet loves me,” said that one day Muhammad crept unawares behind him and put him in a bear-hug. Zahir, alarmed, yelled, “Get off me!” After turning his head and discovering that it was Muhammad, he stopped struggling and proceeded to “push his back into the prophet’s chest—prayers and blessings upon him."
Another curious hadith contained in Sunan Bayhaqi and which traces to Sunan Abu Dawud (one of the six canonical hadith collections), has Muhammad lifting up his shirt for a man who proceeded to kiss his entire torso, “from his bellybutton to his armpits.”
Botros looked casually at the camera and said, “Imagine if the sheikh of Al Azhar [nearest Muslim equivalent to the pope] went around lifting his shirt for men to kiss his torso” (he proceeded to make smacking kissing noises, for effect).
Said the co-host: “Surely there’s more?”
Botros: “Indeed there is. No less than 20 Islamic sources—such as the hadiths of Ahmad bin Hanbal—relay that Muhammad used to suck on the tongues of boys and girls"...
[Stay tuned for part II of "The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet"]
Father Zakaria Botros is a
Father Zakaria Botros is a great ma. I have read about his activities on internet and greatly admire him.He is one of the few candle light which illuminate in the great lies and silence in the world. Like Dr. Ali Sina he is one of the greatest threat of cult Islam.He ran a arabic satellite TV Channel that aired throughout Middle East exposing true face of Islam.Al Quieda has declared him "one of the most wanted infidel in the world"and offers 60 million dollars bounty on his head. It is estimated that 50 million arabic speaking viewers watch his programme regularly and he is condemned by Al Jazeera news channel for defaming Islam and mohammed.Under his effective ministry thousands of muslim leave islam and joined with rest of the humanity.May he long live and show the light of truth for every muslim in the world.
The next time any man puts
The next time any man puts another man in a bear hug in a physical fight or in jest. He is gay!
How thorough!
That would make hundreds and thousands of British males who mess around in a drunken state outside of clubs and pubs or anywhere else for that matter, Gay.
I think for comparisons sake we should ask the good old father Botros how many kids under 11 he fancies or ask Ali Sina's wife/girlfriend/civil partner/boyfriend about how he has sex and then we'll compare.
I'm pretty sure any person's sexual activity would not be suitable for discussion before women and children. FULL STOP.
Kabirlaw, A bearhug from
Kabirlaw,
A bearhug from behind? and kissing the thigh.Maybe in Mecca thats how you do it
Kabirlaw Comment ID
Kabirlaw Comment ID #28445
"The next time any man puts another man in a bear hug in a physical fight or in jest. He is gay! "
Okay, I take the point. But if the huggee responds to the hug-from-behind by “push[ing] his back into the other person's chest..." in an affectionate manner, well then.
As to your point about "...British males ... in a drunken state". It is well known that alcohol impairs one's judgement and removes inhibitions, but I thought that Mo banned alcohol, so what was his excuse?
You wrote "I think for comparisons sake we should ask the good old father Botros how many kids under 11 he fancies or ask Ali Sina’s wife/girlfriend/civil partner/boyfriend about how he has sex and then we’ll compare."
Ah, here we go, Argumentum Ad Hominem. Come off it Kab!
The Koran says of Mohammed "And most surely you conform (yourself) to sublime morality." and the hadith says he was the "Noblest of all humanity". (refs above.)
Muslims hold Mo up as the "perfect man" and, as a prophet, Mo should be an "avatar" of god; a person of unimpeachable morality, ethics, behaviour, etc.
Father Butros's morality has ZERO relevance to Mo's 'morality'. Fr.Butros does not claim to be either a prophet or a moral guide - unlike Mo who claims to be both. Much less, then, Ali Sina et al who never claim to be anything - except EX-muslims that is.
You wrote: "I’m pretty sure any person’s sexual activity would not be suitable for discussion before women and children.
FULL STOP."
Now here I agree with you; with one caveat - if the person concerned is (supposed to be) an exemplar for mankind, then such discussions about his/her activities should be held although only amongst adults and maybe only within single-sex groups.
Kabirlaw I know it hurts to
Kabirlaw
I know it hurts to hear about Muhammad bin Abdallah, but if Catholic priest pay for evil sex acts, Muslims should also, but since Mo did them it is holy as Muslims are to follow Mo. Kabirlaw do you sex kids.
Kabirlaw You are not a true
Kabirlaw
You are not a true Muslim,unitl you start giving bearhugs from behind & kissing another man's torso.May Allah be pleased with you when you really start emulating your prophet (abcd).
"Taymiyya concluded that many
"Taymiyya concluded that many of these so-called prophets are, in fact, “possessed,” "
He was not just possessed but was the rebirth of Tripurasur (a mightly demon) in Kaliyug (From the Bhavishya Purana). Only an asur (demon) can unleash the amount of destruction that he has unleashed.
This is what he said:
Having a form of a ghost (Bhuta), the expert illusionist Mahamada (Muhammad) appeared at night in front of king Bhojaraja and said: O king, your religion is of course known as the best religion among all. Still I am going to establish a terrible and demoniac religion by the order of the Lord . The symptoms of my followers will be that they first of all will cut their genitals, have no shikha, but having beard, be wicked, make noise loudly and eat everything. They should eat animals without performing any rituals. This is my opinion. They will perform purificatory act with the musala or a pestle as you purify your things with kusha. Therefore, they will be known as musalman, the corrupters of religion. Thus the demoniac religion will be founded by me. After having heard all this the king came back to his palace and that ghost (Muhammad) went back to his place.
http://muhammadinhinduism.tripod.com/id1.html
"After turning his head and
"After turning his head and discovering that it was Muhammad, he stopped struggling and proceeded to “push his back into the prophet’s chest"
I say:
And Muhammed got it on with Zahir.
"Another curious hadith contained in Sunan Bayhaqi and which traces to Sunan Abu Dawud (one of the six canonical hadith collections), has Muhammad lifting up his shirt for a man who proceeded to kiss his entire torso, “from his bellybutton to his armpits.”
I say:
Then after word the man went to do the Islamic prayers and Muhammed mounted him.
The guy who told this Hadith
The guy who told this Hadith must have been embarrassed, He said "push his back into the prophet’s chest", Do you think it is a correct sentence. "into the prophet’s groin" would have been appropriate.
Well said, Jonc, I agree
Well said, Jonc, I agree wholeheartedly!
I would like to add that what Kabirlaw said amounted to the usual "Tu Quoque/ Culture-relativism"-response. Also used by many Western defenders of Islam. Often very effective.
But, like you said, it shows that Islam, Muhammad, was NOT superior, not a higher respectable religion/ person to be emulated in all respects. That is one of the purposes of the FFI-articles; to shatter Islamic arrogance (assertions of superiority), hence to abolish eventually its practised and strived-for extraordinary dominance, power.
A modest, humble, gentle, relatively powerless, or even democratically-minded Islam would not be so thoroughly investigated in its holy scriptures and behavior of its followers, worldwide and in history and not so vehemently and broadly protested against, in my opinion.
I see that FFI still enoys
I see that FFI still enoys blocking my unabusive and relevant comments.
Dude, if ya can't take the heat get outta the kitchen.
The bogus prophet Mo although
The bogus prophet Mo although oversexed most of the time was at one time impotent. This condition lasted for a year.
"From Banu Zurayq: Labid ibn A'sam who bewitched the apostle of God so that he could not come at his wives " .
Footnote of Alfred Guillaume: "In commenting on this Suhayli asserts that the tradition is sound and is accepted by the traditionists. He found in the Jami' of Mu'ammar ibn Rashid (a work which I cannot find mentioned by Brockelmann) the statement that the spell lasted for a year."
The Live of Muhammad (translation of Ibn Ishaq's Sira) page 240.
Maybe Mo's rampant activities were intended to make up for this lost year.