Evolutionary Science vs. Creation Theory, and Intellectual Hypocrisy!
Submitted by Syed Kamran Mirza on Sun, 02/22/2009 - 09:11
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February 12, 2009 [This article has been dedicated to Darwin’s 200 birthday]
For thousands of years, scientists were searching answer to the mystery of biological origin in our own planet Earth, because scientists could not quite swallow religious folklore stories of “Creation Theory” fed by various ancient Prophets. Then came the greatest human being ever walked on the surface of this earth. His name was Charles R. Darwin a naturalist, and was born in England on February 12, 1809. The greatest scientist Charles Darwin gave mankind the revolutionary and most acceptable theory of creation called “Evolution Theory”. Darwin explained his theory: “On the origin of species” in 1859, detailing the theory of evolution of biological world by the process of variation, reproduction and natural selection. Evolution established the fact that life has a long history of change over time and different groups of species share common ancestor. For example, human beings, chimpanzees, and gorillas evolved from a common ancestor that lived between 4 to 10 million years ago, while the common ancestor of human beings and reptiles lived about 300 million years ago, and so on. It was from Darwin’s evolutionary theory from which scientists later concluded how simple organic and inorganic materials might have formed early primordial soup to give rise single cell organism deep under the sea; and how humans and all other animals were evolved from one basic life form by millions of years of evolutionary process from the single cell. Darwin’s evolution theory was a dangerous idea of creation boldly opposing century old hypothesis of God and religious creationism. Evolution totally annihilated the theory of “Adam” and put “Apes” in the family tree of humans.
Evolution is the greatest triumphs of human discovery. Evolution is not a peripheral subject but the central organizing principle of both biological and cosmological science today. Almost 98% of world biologists and also other scientists believe in evolution theory, because Darwin’s evolution theory is the only acceptable theory to explain the origin of life on earth. Besides, entire biological phenomena are only compatible with Darwin’s evolution theory and not compatible with the religious creation theory at all. Evolution is as well documented as any phenomenon in science, as strongly as the Earth's revolution around the sun rather than vice versa. Therefore, we can call evolution a "Fact". Today’s biological sciences are directly propagating on the basis of evolution theory of Charles Darwin. Without believing in evolution one can not understand and agree with the modern miracles of biomedical science. The revolution of modern biomedical science and also biological field in general can only be understood and realized on the basis of evolutionary process. [For detail on evolution please read here ]
Can we have our faith both on religion as well as on science, at the same time? I believe it is not possible to put our strong faith in religious folklores and also in scientific facts! Because, religion and science are like oil and water—one can not mix with the others. More precisely, can anybody believe in orthodoxy of religion and also believe in Darwin’s evolution? How can one believe in “evolution theory” and also believe in “creation theory”? To me it is utterly impossible to have true faith on both!
In this 21st century period of great triumphant in science, the era of computer and rockets, we still can find many believing scientists; especially, amongst the Muslims these very believing scientists are plenty and abundant in number. I wonder how these believing scientists can cope with their belief both in science and religion! I have seen many Muslim born scientists working in the scientific laboratories, doing research on biological and cosmological fields—yet they are strong believers in Islam. I have no clue how they could preserve their faith in religion. Out of my sheer curiosity, I had asked several of my friends who were working as doctors, research scientists in biological and chemical laboratories. When I asked them if they believe in Darwin’s evolution theory; they replied yes! When asked about the religious creation theory; they all remained silent. Then they tried to make some futile arguments that evolution theory does not really contradict religious creation theory! I told them that, this is their utter dishonesty. Dear readers, please bear with me, I will explain my logic, as to, why I am calling them dishonest and intellectual hypocrites.
What is the biological origin of our world?
(A) Creation of Religions!
For hundreds of thousands of years, mankind was wondering about their origin and destination—where they came from, and where they are going after their death. They were wondering about their surroundings, mysterious universe—sky, stars, sun, moon, days and nights, deaths, diseases, sorrows, and happiness, but they had no clue what and how everything was happening. Then, ancient people created some religions by their imaginations; their main ingredients of creating religions were—existence of soul, fear and superstitions. They created their respective God, Angels Satan, hell, heavens, etc. They made these personal gods ‘readily talkative’ just like human. Many of these Gods such as Jewish Zehuba, Christian God, and especially Allah of Islam is like super-human—can talk, can see, feel, and get terribly angry if followers do not worship, gets happy if they worship Him and promises them some absurd lustful things in the heaven; and threatens them with dreadful hell punishments. Islamic Allah even has His decorative super throne established somewhere in the sky in which He is sitting surrounded by His arch Angel Gabriel and other deputies of the flocks of innumerous brigades of Angels. Creators of these imaginary Gods also created some so called Prophets like Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. God used to converse regular basis with these so called Prophets like a big Boss talking with His employees and His (God) talks were the source of Books like: Torah, Bible, and Koran.
Religious Creation Theory—is the pure blind faith with no proof or logic that, a super “intelligent designer” (God, Allah, Zehuba, Baghban, etc) has created human from wet clay or mud, shaped man as His own image and gave soul inside the dummy human by blowing spirit from His holy mouth—and that man was Adam—the first human. God also created a woman “Hawa” or “Eve” from the ribs of first human “Adam” and these two human—Adam and Hawa were the source of entire human race today. Rest of everything on earth was made simply by saying: “BE” or “Happen” by the wish of mighty GOD. According to religion, everything begun just 6-7 thousand years ago. As per Biblical genesis—everything on earth were created by only 6 days. There were no transformations, metamorphosis or change, everything begun as it is, exactly what we can see now in the present time. Examples: first human (Adam) was exactly the same what we are now, first tiger was the same, first cow was the same etc. etc. All theories of these religions are only a blind belief in unseen, unproven, illogical, and full of ridiculous superstitions and bunch of contradictions between them. There was no scope of proving or verification, no scientific basis of experimentation and validation to these superstitious folklore stories of all various religions in the whole world.
(B) Scientific Creation Theory—Darwin’s Theory of biological origin, which is known as “Evolution Theory” has been widely accepted by all scientists. According to the evolution theory—the creator is called “NATURE” or “MOTHER NATURE” and not any personal God like religious God or so called “intelligent designer”. This is the only accepted scientific version of creation of life on Earth. Entire biological science is firmly standing on the shoulder of evolution theory today. In brief: Evolution theory believes that, life (unicellular) was originated from the original chemical constituents of oceanic atmosphere (primordial soup) and by changes for billions of years. The unicellular stage of life remained for almost 3.5 billion years and multicellular life originated from the single cell only during the last 600 million years ago. It was from multicellular organism higher animal kingdom arose, and large animals like dinosaurs arose only 250 million years ago, and dinosaurs were destroyed by meteor-storms some 65 million years ago. And mammalian species came after that from which human species was evolved about 3-6 million years ago, as the descendant from animal world. First human was not like us and they were more like Apes (Homo Erectus, Neanderthal and transitional types between Neanderthal and modern man) and by gradual evolutionary changes—modern humans have been finally evolved.
Biological Evolution in brief:
The basic idea of biological evolution is that all life on Earth shares a common ancestor of prehistoric origin, just as me and my cousins share a common grandmother. Through the gradual process of descent with modification, the common ancestor of life on Earth gave rise to the enormous diversity of species that we see around us today; and mankind gathered this knowledge only through the painstaking researches with the fossil records by many archeologists and biologists around the world. Evolution means that we're all distant cousins: humans, apes, and oak trees, hummingbirds and whales. The key fact of evolution is that life has a long history — it has changed over time — and that different species share common ancestors. Evolution in biological world are caused by a combination of three main processes: variation, reproduction, and natural selection. Natural selection is one of the basic mechanisms of evolution, along with mutation, migration, and genetic drift. Most importantly, “survival of the fittest” is the basic mantra of Darwin’s evolution. Darwin discovered the revolutionary theory of evolution that has changed the entire course of science and society for ever. [Please read about Darwin’s evolution in detail here: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/ ]
Flawed arguments by believers!
Believing scientists and western educated Muslims mullahs have a common erroneous notion of critiquing Darwin’s evolution theory on the basis of their uneducated argument like: “how man could have originated from Monkey, yet we still have monkey around us!” This is totally wrong perception by those believing scientists/educated folks, and they are doing it only to preserve their blind-faith on religion. Evolution theory did not say that at all. Evolution theory only said that—Primates (Humans and Apes, Chimpanzees, etc) originated from one prehistoric ancestor, period. Scientists discovered that, Chimpanzees and people possess almost identical sets of genes, so the genes that have changed down the human lineage also hold the key to what makes people human. The comparison should pinpoint the genetic differences that have arisen in the two species since they split from a common ancestor some six million years ago. This is the key of Darwin’s evolution theory of biological world today.
Before Darwin’s revolutionary theory of evolution—species were not linked in a single “family tree”. They were unconnected, unrelated and unchanged since the moment of their creation. And Earth itself was thought to be so young—perhaps only 6,000 years old—that there would not have been time for species to change. In any case, people were not part of the natural world; they were above and outside of it! This wrong perception was originated primarily from religious belief system.
Cosmological evolution: (Copernican principle)!
Evolution theory also fits very well for cosmological world. Like biological world, our cosmological universe also underwent enormous courses of evolution; and in fact, evolutionary changes are happening even now continuously. Many stars are dying and new stars are forming, many other changes and strange things are happening in the cosmos and most importantly, the universe is expanding constantly. I have no scope of describing cosmological evolution in this short article. Therefore, I will try to give a very brief encounter of evolutionary changes of our own planet earth only.
What is Big-bang theory?
The Big Bang theory (suggested by Friedman and Lemaître) is the only popularly believed cosmological model of the universe which is well supported by all lines of scientific evidence and observation. According to Big Bang theory the universe is expanding from a primordial hot and dense initial condition at some finite time in the past and expanding continuously to this day. Moreover, Big Bang in Physics refers to the explosion of SPACE-TIME SINGULARITY (not matter). Matter was not even created when Big Bang happened approximately 15 Billion years ago. Earth was formed billions of years after the Big Bang by sheer cosmic evolutionary process.
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Even our earth was also formed through series of very complex cosmic evolutionary changes. Just a few centuries ago, entire mankind believed Almighty God created this Earth by 6 or 8 days simply by His mighty order “Be” and it happened. Earth was flat and fixed at the middle of the universe (of course, to the billions of gullible believers, it is still flat and situated at the center) Sun and Moon rotates daily to cause day and night on this fixed earth (Koranic and Biblical strong belief) which is known as: Geo-centric cosmology. But only hand counted a few humans like Copernicus, Galileo did believe 180 degree reverse. Copernican principle has changed century old Geo-centric religious cosmological theory to a rock-solid scientifically proven theory of Helio-centric cosmology. World knows very well how a few great scientists like Copernicus, Brno, Keplar and Galileo completely changed thousands years old scriptural dictums, and how Galileo suffered wraths from Vatican Pope. Finally, Copernicus and Galileo moved our earth from center to the periphery of the universe; as Charles Darwin gave us the most acceptable theory of the “origin of species” which has explained how human was descent from the animal world by series of evolutionary process. How can any modern human do believe in “Geo-centric cosmology” (Religious) instead of believing in “Helio-centric cosmology” (Science)?
Evolution of our planet earth in brief: Scientists were never satisfied with the religious folklore stories of cosmology and they agreed with the Big-bang theory of cosmological evolution. Evolutionary steps (on the basis of fossil records) of our Planet Earth can be summarized as follows: Our cosmological universe is about 15 Billion years old. But our planet earth is about 4.5 Billion years old. Earth underwent innumerous changes and metamorphosis for billions of years. Initial stage was a big molten fire ball because of continuous bombardments of millions of meteorites from the outer space and it took millions of years to cool down and was covered with water for millions of years; and then covered with ice and vise-versa for millions of years. And then, at about 3.5 Billions years ago—super continent “Rodenia” was formed and at the same period—first life preameba like single cell organism was formed deep under the sea from primordial soup which later formed fossilized mats of cyanobacteria called stromatolites which is going to be our great ancestor and the origin of future life on earth; life still remained under the deep sea. About 2.2 Billion years ago oxygen was plenty from oceanic algae and supercontinent “Rodenia” was broken into five continents, by the movement of tectonic plates, and ice age came again and covered the whole world. Ice-age was over again and ocean was blue by oxygen formation and again ice-age covered the earth destroying everything over the earth and only life under the sea survived. These repetition of changes continued until 700 million years ago, when life (algae) began to flourish again under the sea with the formation of plenty of oxygen, green vegetables, tree, lush green, oxygen formed tremendous amount, greenery and tiny bacterial growth still continued under the ocean.
Ice age started again and most life was perished and ice age ended 650 million years ago. About 630 millions years ago—vegetations on earth bloomed again. About 500 million years ago, plant-life exploded with sweltering high level of oxygen. At about 450 million years ago, new super continent “Great Panzia” was formed again and green algae formed under the sea. Modern atmosphere, ozone layers started to form, life mostly bacteria and green algae still remained under the water. About 400 millions years ago, life came to the shore due to excess oxygen and formation of ozone layer to protect life on the land. About 300 million years ago, entire world become a tropical swamp, lots of plants and greens vegetations, various biological life bombarded and, various types of multicellular life formed, Ozone layers were much thicker. About 250 million years ago, again started myriads volcanic eruptions and bombardment of meteors which destroyed everything that was formed and 95% of earth biology was destroyed again.
About 240 million years ago, again oxygen and various life forms evolved, muticellular large animals evolved, dinosaurs evolved and plenty of lust green dense forest developed as a result oxygen formation increased tremendously and more new modern life were formed. About 180 million years ago, due to tectonic movements super continent “Great Panzia” broke again and separated forming five 5 different continents. Fossil records indicated that about 100 million years ago, Dinosaurs ruled the entire earth. 75 million years ago, frequent volcanic eruptions and ashes made the land more fertile, big plants, lush green everything greatly flourished, then 65 million years ago—came the meteor rains and 95% of life was extinct along with all the dinosaurs and Era of dinosaurs was gone.
About 50 million years ago, life slowly started to evolve again and first mammal started to flourish, different mammalian life flourished, continents changed, earthquake, volcanoes erupted, many mountains formed, Himalayan formed, Swiss Alps formed by collision between two continents—Africa and Europe. Lands become very fertile, plants and various vegetations grown vigorously, giving enormous amount of oxygen. About 2-6 million years ago, early ape-like Humans were evolved from mammals in Kenya, Africa. Early humans were spread to Europe, Asia from African continent. Ice age formation is continuous and ice age came and gone. Ice-age were happened repeatedly every 10-15 thousands years apart; civilization destroyed and again new civilization was formed from the remnants of the past. Gaps between ice age were 10-15 thousands years and present human civilization is about 10,000 years old.
I have narrated the above very complex and lengthy evolutionary process of our planet earth only to show how silly, laughable, and incredibly wrong religious creation theory is! During the entire 4.5 Billions years, the incredible journey of our planet earth determined which life will survive or which life will be perished (Survival of the fittest). Next ice age will come after 15,000 years and everything on earth will be destroyed. Scientists predict that after about 200 million years from now, our planet earth will again form super continent by tectonic movements. Deadly turmoil will happen and mass extinction of all species will occur.
After 2 billion years from now, our planet earth will loose its fire power (heat) the source of all power will be gone, and the earth will be dead planet like the planet Mars. Human civilization may totally gone or some believe that mankind by it’s superior intelligence will discover technology by which they will leave this planet for a distant better planet to make it a new home and life will flourish again! [Source: How life began on earth: earliest history of earth and how it evolved to support varied life; History Chan-120; Tribune Media Service]
Problem of religious creation theory!
If we believe Quranic creation theory, or Biblical genealogy then, the age of this whole universe is less than five thousands year old, and not 4.5 billion years old! Islamic scriptures say that Allah has created this heaven and earth, from nothingness, within six days and after that He created Adam, the first human being; and Prophet Muhammad was the 90th descendant of Adam. According to calculation, considering 30 years to be the age difference between two successive generations, Allah created this heaven and earth only 4,137 years ago. Even, we consider a very liberal calculation of Biblical genealogy with clear perceptions from Adam (First human) to Jesus, and from there we can easily make up where lies the position of Prophet Muhammad; the age of this universe (which is merely earth and sun, moon and stars according to religion, because Allah could not see anything else in the cosmos!) can not be more than 6000 years, period. We can see how ridiculous this religious theory against scientific theory? On the contrary, geological experts say that the earth is more than 4.5 billion years old.
Islamists tend to argue that Koran did not specify any time-line for this universe; but they can never deny that Muhammad came after 500 years of Jesus, and rest is in Bible. So no excuse because the erratic book called Koran never gave any time-frame. Koran also did not tell that this universe is millions of years old. Koran is a book having no chronology, no chapters, ample redundancies, and many irregularities and myriads of scientific errors and contradictions. Koran did not tell about age because Koran was copied from various religions and made up from ancient folklores and superstitions. Can you imagine existence of Gins? This was folklore belief in Arabia much before Islam. So, how anybody can expect any real time-frame of this universe from the Koran?
How believing scientists behave with the evolution!
Some western religionists and also many Islamists (believing scientists) often try to ridicule about evolution in order to protect the obvious fallacies of the creation theory of religion. Most Islamists and orthodox religionists of other religions are also trying to discard evolution theory; but interestingly, some smart but ardently believing scientists’ even attempt with their futile explanations that religious creation theory in fact correctly matches with the evolution theory! This is of course a hypocrisy and totally impossible and weird dream by those Islamists. Non-muslim western believing scientists usually remain silent about this double standard. These believing scientists pretend to believe in creation theory as long as they stay at home and inside the Churches and Mosques; but in their laboratories, they of course believe in Darwin evolution theory! Believing scientists and all Mullahs are the champion hypocrites in this mortal world. Because, they think about God, they believe in God, and say always that their ‘life and death’ depends only in God’s/Allah’s hands, but when get sick then they immediately run to the doctor or hospital, and after getting cured by the doctor, they claim Allah cured them and they thank only Allah! What a hypocrisy!
Problem with the so called believing scientists is that, they would like to mix religious theory with that of evolution theory, which is their double standard. Religion had been at odds with science, still is at odds, and it will remain so until all religions would take demise from this mortal world. This is pure and simple. Now, to compete with science, every religionists searching science in their own scriptures with a massive magnifying glass. Islam is the champion in this line. Alas, there could be no science in the scriptures of Islam or in any religion for sure. Don’t we remember that just a few century ago, entire mankind believed that earth is flat, fixed at the center of our universe (Geo-centric cosmology) because they were fed these lies from Bible and Koran? One can not and should not mix religion with science at all!
For the last 100 years or so, galloping advancement of biological science is purely on the basis of EVOLUTION THEORY OF Darwin and definitely not on the basis of CREATION THEORY of Religion. Science does not believe in CREATION theory and Religion does not believe in EVOLUTION theory. Truth is, if Religion wants to mix-up with evolution then, we shall have to consider Adam as Ape-like Neanderthal or Homo-erectus early human having smaller brain, and not a perfect human having all the intelligential qualities, as the Bible or Quran described so eloquently for all believers!
Personal God or Mother Nature?
Truly, no scientist can believe in any personal God or so called “intelligent designer”. Scientists ought to believe or do believe in mighty natural force ( “The Nature” common westerners call it “Mother Nature” and I call it “Natural God”)—created by the natural actions on: physical, chemical and gravitational forces of our universe: Sun, Moon, Earth and all other Planets, Waters, Air, Heat, Cold, Oxygen, Hydrogen, Nitrogen, Carbon dioxide, etc etc. This natural God can not talk, can not see or feel, does not have any hatred nor has any love for anything in the universe, do not ask for worshiping, do not care for anything from us, it does independently what it was set to do having no accountability to anybody! For billions of years, it continues to do what it supposed to do without caring for anything in it’s path, and we along with all creations are by products and enjoy good things of this force (bounties) and also suffer wraths and destructions of this same force indiscriminately (Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Jews, non-believers all alike, all animals, insects, plants, no body spared). Because natural God do not recognizes any class. We all are just by products of the natural game continued for ever, for billions of years.
Diseases and natural calamities!
As per religions: All superstitions and fear mongering nonsense are the products of religions. All the diseases and natural calamities (Tsunami, tornados, Cyclones, earthquake, volcanic eruptions etc) are God’s wraths as the divine punishments (Gazaab) from Allah, God, Bagabhan or any deity—as all religious books including Koran, Bible, Gita etc deliriously told to ancient mankind. Consider, just a few centuries ago, people were so ignorant about all natural calamities that they could never understood how and why they happened! Religious deities like Allah, God or Bhagabhan etc bragged that they are giving these only to punish the sinners. People did not know when rain will fall, when tornado will hit their land. Allah shamelessly bragged in Koran that, “no human will ever know when rain will come or what will be the sex of a baby inside the womb”. Average longevity of humans can not be changed since Allah or God of religions emphatically told in Koran/Bible that it is He who decides—who dies when or how many years or days one human lives etc. That is, human’s longevity had been fixed already by Allah; hence it can not be changed by any means. Average human’s longevity should remain static for all nations of the whole world since personal God can not do any partiality to any nation. Ancient people were completely helpless and dependant on these ridiculous Gods, unnecessarily died of their ignorance. Just couple of hundreds years back, mankind never knew what causes the diseases in man and animals! Not long ago, plague, cholera, small pox used to eradicates entire population of a village or a town and there was no treatment at all. All religions told mankind that—these were wraths (Al-Gazzab) from Allah/God.
As per science: We have learned from science that, diseases affecting man and animal kingdom is caused by living organisms (Bacteria, viruses, fungus, parasites, toxins, etc) and not caused by divine punishments (Gazaab) from Allah, God, Bagabhan or any deity. Humans (not any God) have gathered knowledge about myriads of disease causing agents: almost 5000 different species of viruses, and up to 1 million species of bacteria. They presumably infect all of the 4,500 species of mammals including humans. When exactly any world religion, or any deity ever told about these disease causing agents; could any believing scientist answer this question?
All calamities on Earth (Earthqake, Volcanoes, Tornados, Cyclone, Floods, Tsunami, Rains, Snows, Blizzards etc etc.) are natural physical and chemical phenomena of Earth’s rotations and gravitational force, Sun’s heat, water and air—and not divine punishments for the sinners, as Koran and Bible deliriously told the ancient followers! Human longevity can definitely be increased and it is increasing every year in the modern world simply by modern improved life style. Just thousand years ago (during 11th century period) humans longevity on earth was only 30 years long. Now, average longevity is much higher (78-84) in the developed/western world (like: Sweden, Japan, USA etc) and much lower (41-51) in the poor or underdeveloped Third World nations like Nepal, Somalia, Ethiopia, Bangladesh etc. End of this century—human longevity will reach near 150 years and will keep increasing by the next century by more new discoveries to protect good health and by the miracles of more biomedical discoveries.
Achievements of biomedical science: Success list is so long that it is not possible to include everything that has been discovered by humans out of scientific innovations. So far mankind solved lots of puzzles about our mysterious universe only by the help of science and will learn about many more puzzles (yet to be solved) with the help of scientific progress in the near future. Especially, mysteries of biological world have been much clear and logical to understand on the basis of Darwin’s evolution process. Just 50 to 60 years back medical science was so primitive, changing somebody’s heart or eyes were unthinkable and people even did not dream for it. Now human’s advancement in science made it quite possible and bio-medical miracles of organ transplantations have made a radical change to the health science, life style, and longevity of mankind. Scientists are now able to make multiple organs transplantation and face transplantation too! Epidemics like Plague, Cholera, small pox etc do not eradicate entire population of a village or town any more!
Now, it is beyond our comprehension what more medical miracles will happen by the next century or two! Test tube baby, Cloning baby, Organ transplantation, Longevity changes, Sex Changes, fertility changes by treatment etc. etc. are some bio-medical miracles readily happening today! We can not expect to believe that the so called “intelligent designer” or God suddenly changed His mind and decided to give 4, 6, or 8 babies to one mother (recent octuplets case in California) or 65 year old lady to give birth baby either. Fertility treatment is making all these miracles possible.
Possibilities are enormous and unlimited. Humans already can create new and modified plants and fruits, or increase of food grains by grafting or selective cross-breeding or animals by cloning or by cross breeding; scientists are able to create a new kind of human or create half-human and half-animal by cloning; and who knows what more miracle humans can create by next several centuries! Humans will create new organs by stem cell research to keep in the laboratory (Organ stores for sale) and people will be able to replace their diseased or dysfunctional organs with newly built organs and continue to living longer. End of this century—human longevity may reach near 200 years and keep increasing by the next century.
European scientists have announced pioneering surgery by successful transplantation of a human windpipe using a patient’s own stem cells to fashion an organ and prevent its rejection by her immune system. That means, scientists are able to create windpipe in the laboratory. Stem cell research will make a revolution of new discoveries in the field of biomedical science in the near future; and possibilities of medical miracles can be seen clearly in the horizon of health science.
According to a study in Chicago, USA, scientists also getting closer to creating an artificial life in the laboratory. Scientists have discovered a more efficient way of building a synthetic genome that could one day enable them to create artificial life. Scientists are also getting close to make artificial blood in the laboratory to use for the surgical patients. Scientists have decoded the chimp genome and compared it with that of humans, a major step toward defining what makes people human and developing a deep insight into the evolution of human sexual behavior. This is just the tip of ice-berg (of scientific miracles) I have mentioned in this article, and what more miracles will come to this world only from scientists (not from any God) is beyond our comprehension. But we all know what religions said about all this!
Discussion:
No personal God (like religious “Intelligent Designer”) can create so many deadly disease causing organisms only to give mankind monumental health problems; and so many natural disasters and devastations to cause so much destructions, sorrows, and miseries to His own creations! Nor any so called “intelligent designer” can let happen so much biological abnormalities to His biological kingdom. There is no good reason why any God (“Intelligent designer”) will enjoy making: Conjoin babies, Still-born baby, baby with no legs or hands, baby with multiple heads, legs and hands, baby looks like a monster, baby that will survive only a few hours, baby that is going to be a seriously mentally retarded, beautiful baby born with brain tumor or abnormal heart, giving deadly disease like AIDS, and many more human’s developmental abnormalities and untold human miseries. Also, no personal God or so called “intelligent designer” would sit idle only to observe billions of starved and disease-infested humans living in sub-human standard and dying unnecessarily in the world today!
Had there been any existence of “Intelligent Designer” who controls this universe (the way every religion specified) there could be: (a) no organ transplantation, (b) no test tube baby, (c) no heart surgery, (d) no revival of heart patient by cardiac resuscitation, (e) no longevity changes, (f) no bastard child, (g) no cloning baby, (h) no sex changes, (i) no sperm cells making from the stem cell, (j) no modern manipulations of plants, fruit trees and food grains, etc etc; simply because God/Allah would not let humans (mainly kaffirs) to exploit and play with God’s mystery of creation. This would be an utter insult to the God’s divine authority! He (God) would simply put an iron-ban on any human manipulations of His biological and cosmological world.
Darwin’s evolution theory is the only sensible method of understanding our natural phenomena. Evolution is a very lengthy process governed by the nature and not by any personal God of religion; and it is happening every minute, day, month, year and every century continuously. It is not possible to observe this slow process like one can see an apple falling from the tree, or snake walking down the hill etc. One needs to watch it continuously roaming all over the earth just the way Charles Darwin observed it for many years by his meticulous research with the natural world. Most importantly, Darwin’s greatest theory of “Survival of the Fittest” is unequivocal and uncontroversial, especially for biological world. This theory is undoubtedly true for both plants and animal kingdom.
Bacterial and viral mutations to deceive modern antibiotics, changing ecological world around us is vividly evident, and extinctions of many plants and animal species are also evidences of survival of the fittest theory of Darwin’s evolution. In 2007, Bangladeshi biologists observed that some riverside’s ecology in southern part of the country (Khulna District, adjacent to the Bay of Bengal) has changed completely. Biologists observed that, century long known plants and fruit trees have been extinct and replaced by a whole new generation of new plants and fruit trees, which the local people said they can not identify these new trees and can not find those known trees anymore. Scientists and local people have observed that, this change of ecology has occurred during the last 25-30 years period. Scientists concluded that the increased salinity of the river banks (by sea water) was the main reason of this ecological change.
This kind of ecological changes are evident in many parts of the world and numerous animal species are becoming extinct or totally lost, and in some cases, replaced by new species of threatened animals by adaptation (Mutation) to cope with the changes of ecological environment. Scientists in India discovered a dozen previously unknown species of frogs in the forests of Western Ghats according to a paper published (February 3, 2009) in latest issue of Zoological Journal of Linnean Society, London. Amphibians are one of the most threatened groups of animal species in the world. Every year dozens amphibians (Frogs, salamanders and caecilians) are extinct worldwide due to habitat loss, over-collection as food and for the pet trade, the outbreak of a deadly fungal disease, pollution and pesticides, introduced species, and the effects of climate change. Since 1980 more than 200 species of animals are believed to have gone extinct throughout the world.
Fishes and small reptiles living in the hidden water pools inside cave have no eyes, and flowers in arctic land like Alaska can withstand severely freezing cold weather etc, are some of the good examples of the “survival of the fittest” phenomenon. Even in the human world, we can clearly see these competitions of “survival of the fittest theory” working at large, among the various nations, races and creeds.
Conclusion:
Darwin’s theory of evolution is standing tall today! Evolution theory is the basis of all biological science and widely accepted by the world’s scientific community. We the humanists, secular scientists, strongly believe in evolution or natural God or “Mother Nature” and we do not believe in any personal God like Allah, Zehuba or Baghaban. Because, we can find many acceptable explanations and proofs from natural or evolutionary creator by which we can be convinced; but we get no proof at all for any religious claims. Therefore, we do not believe in any personal God or any so called “intelligent designer” who always cares for unlimited worshipping from mankind. No scientist can believe in personal God. Great scientists like Einstein never believed in personal God; in fact no scientist in his honesty and sincerity can ever believe in any personal God. Only a few hypocritical scientists still pretend to believe in personal deity at home, but in the laboratory they never can believe in the creation (religious) theory and do believe in evolution theory.
All religious creation theories are ridiculously superstitious and only a blind belief in unseen, unproven, illogical, and full of contradictions between them. Factually, No God or divine body ever spoke with anybody. Prophetic claims are all false and can not be proven, can not take any challenge of proving; hence, when asked for any proof or verification, immediately starts fighting and killing others to subjugate and to suppress. Various blind-faith systems of religions have divided entire mankind into several factions, causing endless conflicts, wars and blood sheds, and all kind of miseries on earth—only in the name of their ridiculous personal Gods. Most of all (the worst thing) all religions try to keep this earth stand-still, no going forward, fossilized in the past and desperately trying to pull the civilized world by the back gear towards ancient time; especially, Islam is vigorously doing this nonsense to take this civilized world to the darkness of 7th century’s Paganism and Arab barbarism.
World religions could not give any solution to the untold mysteries of our universe at all. Religious theories only brought some ridiculous superstitions and folklore stories. But, persistent and resilient human thirst for knowledge (Science) and human endeavors have brought-forth ample knowledge about our universe; and it is only due to the continuous and painstaking research by the scientists (Geologists, Physicist, Chemists, biologists, Ecologists, Climatologists etc) alone are opening the knots of many mysteries of our universes day by day!
Science will make belief system in Allah/God totally obsolete soon. All the above mentioned bio-medical miracles are happening only by human manipulations of biological process by new scientific innovations and research. All the above things (mentioned) and more and more scientific miracles will keep happening—because THERE IS NO SUCH THING CALLED “INTELLIGENT DESIGNER” or any personal God who really has any sort of control over the natural or biological world. The miracles of our biological world and all natural phenomena happening around us can only be understood and explained on the basis of Darwin’s revolutionary theory of evolution.
References:
1. Big Bang Theory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
2. Time Magazine: Evolution Vs. Creationism: Up From the Apes.; August 23, 1999
3. THHuxley, Islam and the “Big Bang”: A Refutation, Mukto-Mona.
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by Stephen Jay Gould, October, 1994: http://brembs.net/gould.html
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1, 2005.
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Grady; Published: November 19, 2008:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/health/research/20stemcell.html?_r=2
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Evolution is the greatest
Evolution is the greatest triumphs of human discovery ? Really .
There are only two beleif systems in this world hell bent on propagating their gospel . One is islam and the other is atheism . Both have been responsible for untold misery,pain and suffering in this world .
Thank you Syed Kamran Mirza for explaining to me the meaning of life .
1. Mateus Says: My dear
1. Mateus Says:
My dear friend you are mistaken when you said --
==There are only two beleif systems in this world hell bent on propagating their gospel . One is islam and the other is atheism . Both have been responsible for untold misery,pain and suffering in this world .==
In fact there are three evil Belief systems , you have mentioned Islam, Atheism only and the third is Christianity. Hope you are not a Christian believer ?
“Religion is regarded by the
“Religion is regarded by the common men as true, by the wise as false and by the politicians as useful”. - Sokno, a philosopher
There are actually only two
There are actually only two evil systems.Biblical god, islamic allah and may be atheism.The first two have brought untold myseries on the followers and those who oppose equally.The biblical god feels tha the earth is only 6000 years old. that's the stupidest things that I have ever heard apart from the sun going round the earth stupidity. You are free to believe any stupid thoughts but to enforce the crazy thoughts as truth and nothing but truth on those not believing is heinous. Conversion uis a disease of mind.The evilf of islam and christianity will soon be exposed.evilbible.com will tell you all!
So how is evolution theory
So how is evolution theory different from religious belief? To me they are all beliefs period. A writer of this article explains how evolution is more than appealing and I, a christian, could tell you how a Christian God (who is the same as Jewish God) is appealing to me. He is not be appealing to the author of this article the same as evolution (without Jehovah) is crap to me. And look, I did not believe in God because the bible told me so, I do believe in Him because I experience Him. That' s the reason of religious tolerance and of not shoving your faith on someone's throat because faith should be a personal matter.
Author is amazed how can someone be a scientist and yet be religious. To my knowledge of christian faith, people and for that matter scientists who are christians, believe in Jesus because they have hope that He will raise them up after they are dead at one point in later time. If evolution theory can offer this hope I see no reason why they should belive in religious faith.
All human species have
All human species have chromosome types X & Y, a genetic arrangement arrived at after millenia of evolutionary process.
Dr Allan Wilson, and his colleague Rebecca Cann were examining human DNA at the University of California, Berkeley, in the year 1987 and they made the astonishing discovery that all human beings have the same parents. This DNA in our bodies remains intact through the generations and is passed on from mother to daughter, but also leaves behind traces of the changes or mutations. When these scientists examined this DNA component in the family tree of human samples from each of the continents of the earth, they could trace it back to one woman who lived in Africa about 200,000 years ago. Obviously, she was not the only woman alive at that time and she also had a mother, but she was just the luckiest because her children survived to populate the world, while the lines of the descendants of other women became extinct. This is for X part.
Dr Peter Underhill of Stanford University and his collaborative colleagues have found that our father had also come from Africa. They proved this in a study of the Y chromosome which determines the male sex. Our ancestors left Africa only 50,000 years ago and we can track their genomic journey as they crossed many land bridges that are now submerged in the sea. The most famous of these connected Russia with Alaska and explains why American Indians have Asian features.
This means that we are all time-walkers out of Africa and can now trace our ancestors around the world. We are mongrels, and this evidence has finally destroyed the ugly theory of distinct races. Some of us are white or brown, others are black because we have had to adapt to different climates; the Chinese have narrow eyes because their ancestors had to protect them from the blinding sunlight of the snowy Arctic lands.
Now if religion concurs with these facts, it is fine. Otherwise, it needs to be rubbished for being impediments in furtherance of knowledge and research. Period.
PS: Just google the names of scientists mentioned in the text to read the detailed research papers. You bet they are interesting.
To my knowledge of christian
Proud christian, don`t fool yourself for your own good. Nobody can save or redeem you. Your own actions in the present determine your future, even after your death. So develop understanding. There is no scientist who believes in such fairy tales. If he does, he is no scientist, just a facade of it.
Have clarity of purpose.
proudkafir says " The first
proudkafir says " The first two have brought untold miseries on the followers and those who oppose equally." Christians got the bad name because of the 'Crudade war' and Christians lost to Muslims. Now almost all the countries in the middle east are Islamic except Israel which is Jewish. Usually a King or a country invades another country for economic reason or for prestiege. But Mohammad found a new reason - just to kill kafirs (infidels) and to establish an Islamic caliphate. When Islamic forces captured Spain, the Europians were awakened to a new reality. So when they invaded other countries they planted Christianity by force as a counter measure to Islam. Some years ago Assamies killed thousands of people most of them Muslims. It is not that Hindus are bad people or war mongering, but because Bangladesh muslims spilled into Assam and becoming a majority. It is interesting to watch that the Siekhs dropped their 'Kalistan issue' and accepted Indian rule, White people in South Africa accepted the majority black rule, Catholic and protestants found peace in North Ireland, but there will be no peace in Kashmir or in Palestine because Muslims are war mongering and never opted for a good quality of life and peace.
Ahh Kam Baksh, what if I told
Ahh Kam Baksh, what if I told you don't fool yourself for you own intellectual shabbiness. There is no life without God. And you are being too arrogant to think a believer is no scientist and atheists are the only scientists. Anything you disagree with is a fairy tale. Dont be so naive boy.
Proudchristian, Darwin's
Proudchristian, Darwin's theory and archeology have proven that earth is not 6000 yrs old (Biblical events state that). Moreover, Biblical and Quranic belief in Adam-Eve incest to produce offsprings is hilarious. If God had given reproductive organs to Adam and Eve and blessed them with love, then love should have been the factor that lead to creation. Judeo-Christian-Islamic literature fail here. Many apologists cry that a day in the scripture means some millions of years, which is hilarious. In any case, more and more westerners have come out of the belief in Christian and Jewish scriptures.
But I think its even more
But I think its even more hilarious when evolutionists say it takes millions or even billions of years to evolve.If that is the case how do they explain the lack of any human civilization about 10000 or 500000 or 1mya.
since evolution happens very slowly we are supposed to see highly evolved human beings and civilizations 1mya right?
but the truth is that we cant see any.
"Can we have our faith both
"Can we have our faith both on religion as well as on science, at the same time? I believe it is not possible to put our strong faith in religious folklores and also in scientific facts! Because, religion and science are like oil and water—one can not mix with the others. More precisely, can anybody believe in orthodoxy of religion and also believe in Darwin’s evolution? How can one believe in “evolution theory” and also believe in “creation theory”? To me it is utterly impossible to have true faith on both!"
I agree. It makes no sense to accept the facts of evolutionary biology and still believe in the Magic Space Man.
People can retain their faith
People can retain their faith and believe in science too. However this is possible as long as their faith is a personal matter with no bearing on the public life whatsoever. If religion guides in matters of life and helps you be a better human being, then there is no problem.
There is no difficulty at all
There is no difficulty at all in believing what science teaches and waht religious
books crap out. Religious books teach that the earth is flat and so i f you walk till the end of the horizon, you may drop off the cliff.So the people who hang on to the vile, bilious, religious books do not explore the end of the world.They stay inside and are happy in their knowledge that they are safe and are happy.The religious books teach you that the it is possible to fly on one winged horse and reach in to outer space! When you build a plane with one wing( I am certain only moslems are capable of building.owning and flying this qrandic contraption) it would be fun to watch only moslems rushing to get on this plane. Till now there is no problem created to others.We have piss ponds who believe that rape and killin is ok because they are GOD's words, I have a problem as anonreligious person.
I would rather kill and die than convert to either islam or christianity.The reason I say that is because both christians and moslems would want to kill any one who does not convert.These two are evil beyond comprehension. That honestly expresses my opinion about the evil of christianity and islam.
Do I believe that all moslems and christians should be prevented from practicing their respective religions? My response depends on what is the exact type of religion they plan to preach and practice. COnfined to the 4 walls of home fine,Spills on to street, I have a problem.
Today's evil thought from the evil bible. Mind you these are nice good thoughts from bible encouraging the pissponds to kill and kill and kill!
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Dear all proud christians please look at the pearls from the bible and choose the best. Stop believing biblical and islamic evils and come back to humanity.
"Darwin’s theory and
"Darwin’s theory and archeology have proven that earth is not 6000 yrs old (Biblical events state that). Moreover, Biblical and Quranic belief in Adam-Eve incest to produce offsprings is hilarious."
This again is a stupid way of thinking. The bible first verse begin with, "At the beginning God created heavens and earth..... So you choose to interprete this was 6,000 yrs ago, okay I've no problem with you. The other person choose to believe this was an unspecified time period that we dont know when did it occur again I've no problem with that one. You choose not to believe in both of the above I've no problem with that either. I'm sure no scientist, no christian or no atheists knows how old this earth is!
"Moreover, Biblical and Quranic belief in Adam-Eve incest to produce offsprings is hilarious."
This is even more than stupid. Even without considering creation theory inbreeding was a common thing in the past. Population studies shows at one point in the past the population was too low that marriages was likely to occur between people of the same families.
"Many apologists cry that a day in the scripture means some millions of years, which is hilarious."
These are really unscholarly apologist. Yes there is some verses in the bible that reads that way but the bible is full armored with other verses to counter any atheistic arguments against it.
"In any case, more and more westerners have come out of the belief in Christian and Jewish scriptures."
Ahh, who said scriptures need westerners to believe in them? The bible says heavens and earth will pass away but His words will stand firm. Christianity is about quality believers and not quantity. Muslims brags about 1.5 or 1.8 billion people, in that group including terrorists, children, non believer muslims, etc. But in our group we say you doubt the bible any way you are not a christian. In any case christians are less than 1 billion people world-wide.
Dear Mr Ibraswamy see what
Dear Mr Ibraswamy see what the religious brain washing can do particularly of the abrahamic variety!
1 of a few most foolish
1 of a few most foolish comments i've ever seen on this web site is from Mateus.
well, i hardly know which his/her religion is. but if he/she is a christian, he/she should have learned that great physicist Galileo was almost executed because of diffusing a theory that the church disliked.
and did he/she ever google "most intelligent ppl"?
they say that clever ppl tend to believe quite little in god.
i'm afraid that in order to develop, more and more ppl will have a lot of atheistic traits in them.
sincerely.
hope our world will last long
hope our world will last long enough to witness the day human beings can expose god's secrets.
Oh! yes of course my dear
Oh! yes of course my dear Proud Kafir, I certainly agree with you my friend. Your hypothesis is next to brilliant. Its just that poor souls like me are unable to fathom the depth of your discourse. Thank for being being there for us, Proud Kafir. The forum would be so lonely without you.
Most intelligent people tend
Most intelligent people tend to be atheists you say? Yeah in that group add also the rich, the politicians, the academics, young people (college boys/girls, celebrities, etc. The groups may overlapp. Can you discover common traits among these groups? Well it is obvious that these tend to believe they've all figured out, money, sex, power, life, admiration! You know friend to be honest a belief in God is for hopeless and helpless individuals. And the world is full of these kind of people.The elite group comprise may be less than 1% of the world population! So you see that's why non believers will remain a minority at least for the next century. And now with credit cruch hitting these elite class the hardest, lol, the temples are full nowadays!
haha, proudchristian is
haha,
proudchristian is probably angry now.
i'm afraid my English was clear enough to make u understand what i meant! i mentioned atheistic TRAITS. did u try to misunderstand? atheistic traits aren't equal to an atheist although an atheist has those traits.
even if u r a pope or a priest, u will always have to act quite rationally, if not completely rationally. the situation makes u give a decision.
but who help create ur situation? do u dare tell me that u build your life alone?
tell u, Newton only sought answer in god when he couldn't explain all due to his limitation.(not that i think Newton was bad. i respect him with all my heart). And although present scientists admire him, they wont deny that his falseness existed in his trust in god.
non-believers remain a minority: simple, i thought u were clever enough to understand:
- evangelists never cease work.
- the population of scientists in this world is obviously low while this world is so big. and when scientist cant find out the answer 4 every matter yet, how do u expect humanity has enough knowledge to cut the string that links them with god?
- god is presented by faith so the term god will exist forever in many ppl heart if ppl trust someone or something. and i tell u : even the word atheist has a relative meaning.
so the outcome is god will completely disappear when science is developed more and more prosperously and ppl's hearts become too rigid.
and the thing i meant in my last comment was, like what ibrahim told, god will 1 day become a personal matter only.
now trust me. i dont mean to abuse ur belief. i simply figure out the truth.
ProudChristian, you say in
ProudChristian, you say in the beginning God created heaven and earth. When was it? See the timeline of Bible in this link and understand that the authors of the Bible in fact believed that earth was created few thousand years ago. http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm
Happy reading for you. You have any doubts about the facts mentioned there, Mr Proudchristian? When you say in the beginning, according to Bible it is just 6000 yrs ago.
Creationism defeated in
Creationism defeated in Texas
New Scientist Magazine: 31 January, 2009
CAMPAIGNERS against teaching creationism in schools scored a victory last week deep in America's Bible Belt.
At a tense meeting of the Texas State Board of Education, the board voted eight to seven to erase a seemingly innocuous phrase in the rulebook that allows teachers and students to debate the "strengths and weaknesses" of scientific theories. Since 1994 creationists have used this as a pretext to cast doubt on evolution in lessons and textbooks.
The supposed weaknesses are completely bogus, and removing the wording "is a real victory", says Michael Zimmerman of Butler University in Indianapolis, Indiana, an anti-creationist.
Evolutionists will be hoping the board upholds the revision at a meeting in late March. If it does, textbooks will be free of the wording for the next 10 years.
"Great scientists like
"Great scientists like Einstein never believed in personal God;"
It is true Einstein never believed in a personal God like the Judaeo-Christian God, but he did believe in an infinite mind.
Here is what Einstein said about God:
My religiosity consists of a humble admiration of the infinitely superior mind that reveals itself in the little that we can comprehend of the knowable world. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe forms my idea of God.
My comprehension of God comes from conviction of a superior intelligence that reveals itself in the knowable world.
I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in the phenomenon in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know his thoughts. The rest are details.
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly."
"I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangements of the books, but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God."
This what Einstein said in regards to atheists using his works.
“In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views.”
TThere is a book called Einstein and Religion: Physics and Theology by Max Jammer, a friend of Einstein. http://books.google.com
By the way I am not stating Einstein believed in Judaism or Christianity, I am merely stating he believed in an infinitely superior, so please do not accuse me of doing the opposite.
#4,14 tHE bIBLE SAYS THE
#4,14
tHE bIBLE SAYS THE EARTH WAS CREATED, never didit say how long it took. Only the things created for the earth. Man was created at the end of the 6th day. Each day was 7000 years old. We are in the 7th day now and that makes a week. The earth itself is not 6000 years, but maybe millions of years.
Each creation was created after its own kind, thus apes are apes and birds are birds. Man is man and fish are fish. This remains the same to this day. Fish mate with fish not apes, contrary to evolution. Evolution is and was created to be anti Christendom as religion was so bad and vile to the masses. The religious leaders could read, but failed to share the word with the masses but made god's word oppressive. The Inquisition, Crusades and many of the other cruelities and inhumanities were done by false religion called Roamn Catholicism. Sorry, you can blame christians, but no Christian has ever invaded a country because the bible said so. The OT was ONLY for Jews, no one else. Those laws were for the Israelites and there are no Hittites, Jebusities or Midianites, just Arabs, today or Moabites so stop using the OT as they were only Israelites and the life and times of the Jewish people called Israelites, not the Jewish people who were the first Christians. Antioch, Syrians were the first people who called them Christians when Paul visited the leaders of Syria. Moses and the Israelites didnt convert. Judaism does not convert! Can you be a Jew like Sammy Davis or Madonna? (smile) Being a spiritual Jew is a different thing, but that was under Christianity not Judaism.
There is a God!
That....was an incredibly
That....was an incredibly ignorant article.
Let's start with the basics: the theory of evolution is well over 2,500 years old; an early proponent of the concept include Anaximander of Miletus, and it was criticised by the philosopher Plato.
The concept fell into disrepute due to the complete absence of a mechanism to make it work; given that entropy is constantly breaking things down, there was no reason to assume that anything would improve. Darwin's contribution was to discover the *mechanism* for evolution. The response of the church? Well, for starters Darwin is buried in Westminster Cathedral, not something that would be done for a heretic!
Evolution was a shock, but not a theological probelm. It rapidly became a *social* problem as the ginorant attempted to use it for political ends. The phrase "survival of the fittest" was never used by Darwin, instead being coined a politician a geneation later. The misuse of evolutionary theories by the Nazis helped push the Communist bloc away from serious science and towards the follies of Lysenko, while in the USA claims that criminal behaviour was detemined by our genes allowed a ciminal to avoid punishment - and *that* triggered Creationism.
*Creationism is new heresy that dates from the 20th Century!*
The first legal case attempting to push it being taught in schools was launched by the lawyer who had had the criminal escape justice by the misuse of genetics. Creationism has no more to do with historical Christianity than the Book of Mormon, the Jehovah's Witnesses or any other American heresy. Evolution is happily taught by church run schools throughout the world, and has been for well over a century.
Finally, the author's empty assertion that you cannot believe both science and religion is easily disproved by turning to the many important scientists who are also Christian (or Jewish) - the most relevant example to this subject is Francis S. Collins, the scientist who lobbied for and then ran the Human Genome Project: and who has also written a defense of both Christianity and Science called "The Language of God".
Mary, you missed the
Mary, you missed the following famous quote from Albert Einstein. I am not saying you did that deliberately. Here is the quote- "When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous."
Raisin Head, answer to me in
Raisin Head, answer to me in one sentence if Old Testament is the word of God or not? Don't tell me it was applicable to some period or a class of people or region etc. IS OT A WORD OF GOD?
Old testicle and the recent
Old testicle and the recent counterpart the new testicle are both not words! They are dangly things of importance who have them and who hold them! Think about it!
They hold on to them(OT & NT) because they ( people holding on) consider them as essential for survival. They do not want them castrated.The site is exactly doing that.Castrating the beliefs.So there is a problem. I understand and sympathise with all teh angry, miffed, abusive people.The belief is being meticulously dismantled and they are absolutely helpless. Why so much against only Islam and Evil christianity? Simple these two evils have done the maximum damage in the name of lord and allah.
Bravo to all true knowledge
Bravo to all true knowledge seeking posters up there, I can see that we are making progress here, all the religious zealots sound rather too apologetic or down right puerile, to understand and accept a scientific theory is to see a valid evidence, we all know that absolutes do not exist in life, so we go with what is more rational one step at a time, what about religion, the best it can offer is blind-faith on extra-ordinary claims, well those extr-ordinary claims require extr-ordinary evidences, got any?
"What is asserted without evidence can be disproven without evidence"--- Christopher Hitchens or something to that effect, all the religious can do is be emotional and hold on to hope of personal salvation even at the detriment of the whole humanity, they just are scared silly of that fictional flying spaghetti moster, the Muslims believe the sun moves even in the face of concrete scientific evidences that it does not, the Christians believe that their god has changed from the violent dictator he/it was in the old testament to the new loving one in the NT, they carelessly admit that the god attribute of not changing is not so,they act as if the past horrors were not commanded by him, it is all too wishy-washy, to believe in this folklores which is predated by similar christ-like figures who had virgin births and rose from the dead and so on, or the mass-murdering cult of Islam where the brain gets damaged through coercive fear to the point of zombification, and when these fundies get an unexplained emotional feeling they grab the god of the gap concept, they just can't say I don't know to what they truly don't, grow up people.
BD(who agrees with Mark Twain " faith is believing what you know ain't so")
Who is the greater believer ?
Who is the greater believer ? The evolutionist or the religious man? I think the evolutionist. Please consider the following three ideas:
The religious man believes that God created the universe because of his love.
The evolutionist believes that from nowhere the big bang explosion happened and billions and billions of stars and planets came out of it.
The religious man believes because of the love of God all the living things were created.
The evolutionist belives that from the red hot rocks, perhaps after cooled down the worms have come out
The religious man believes God has created the man in His image
The evolutionist believes the worms mutation after mutation it becomes Albert Einstine. Now who is the great believer?
After explaining the evolution theory to ordinary peasants and simple people and if a peasant gets up and ask you what causes the big bang explosion and again he would say the same CAUSE we call God. What is your answer for that?
Do you know Pope Paul VI had declared that the Big bang theory and the creation story in the Bible didn't contradict. "Let there be light" and the big bang occurred.
Suppose God created this universe, why shoud we believe Him that he had one leg on planet earth, when he created, which is 24 hrs a day. We know other planets have greater hours per day. In that sense why his one day cannot be one billion years. If man can measure God through his wisdom then that God is not worthy to be worshipped.
The religous believe that god
The religous believe that god just poofed into existence, the religious is sure that the earth is flat and only a few thousand years old because some ancient tribesmen says so in a book that he can not verify the source, the religious believe that square circles exist since he believes in an ever merciful lord at the same time a god of eternal torture who somehow can burn an individual for eternity for the crime of being born in the wrong country from the wrong parents.
The religious have no need for proof of anything, when an evidence is demanded he claims faith, when another person from a different religion says he believes on faith too he says that person has a wrong religion, the religious don't care to truly differentiate between a scientific theory with a backing physical evidence and a totally non-evidence type religious mumbo-jumbo, the religious always think of scientific theories as divine statements without an iota of understanding of what a paradigm is.
The religious if Christian believe the almighty created humans with no fore knowledge of their tendency to fuck up, later decided to wipe them out with a genocidal flood, later created another set of humans and decided to send himself to die at the hands of his creations ( which is in reality just a 3 days nap) and actually thinks he made a heroic sacrifice, and the gullible religious believe that trash.
The Muslims believe that a person who acn have sex with a child, have sex with a girl after killing her husband and parents is their most cherished man, the religious know that there are blatant contradictions in their books, but they are scared to pieces of accepting the obvious, the religious are afraid of science because it bursts their comfort zone, they ridicule it and criticize it without knowing a damn thing about it or just spouting their wishful thinking
Thanks to proudkafir who has
Thanks to proudkafir who has done an exhaustive study of the Bible. I recently started to study the Bible, bought many different translations of the Bible, hand books and commentary books. However, unlike Mohammad of 7th century AD, God of the Bible in the old testament,had spoken to people at the very rudimentary stage of human society. At this initial stage of human life, people do not know how to behave, with whom they should have sexual relationship. Should man can have sex with his father's second wife? or with an animal, and of course God gives punishment. Management Guru Peter Drucker says " One can communicate only in the receipient's language or in their terms". So God speaks to the ancient people in their terms, in a harsh manner. Nevertheless, we find that the same Bible says that God has sent his son Jesus, who speaks to the modern man "love your enemies and pray for them" It works. When a Muslim, Mehmet Ali Agca shot at Pope John Paul II four times, one billion Catholics did not show any anger towards Muslims. While many prayed for the Pope some have prayed for Ali Agca. This is the Kingdom of God. When Anglican Archbishop Janani of Uganda approached Idi Amin to correct his ways, Idi Amin got angry and shot the Archbishop through his mouth. Again the Christian world did not show any anger towards Muslims. Many Christians prayed for Idi Amin. This type of thing happened in India too. When Hindu radicals burned Australian Missionary Stein and his two children in their vehicle, Mrs Glady Stein had forgiven the Hindu extrimist and prayed for them. Because of her action many Indian intellectuals converted to Christianity including
Dear Roman I guess you are
Dear Roman
I guess you are not an original biblical case. A recenr entrant who has some surperficial, sanitised knowledge about what Bible is all About.When you say different translations. I do not quite comprehend the meaning.meaning english translation? Greek translation? Or Italian translatian?. No need for all that.Walk in to any book shop or hotel in UK and you see a copy of bible Gideon book bible.just let the receptionist know and take it away for free! No one even cares or bothers. I have three such copies taken at different times and paid some money as well towards the printers later!
That apart when GOD appeared say 2000/ 5000/ 50000 years ago he/she would have excatly known that there will be people speaking thousand different languages and not just Armaic hebrew/ classical arabic. Yes or no? He / she should have planned for the people not speaking the hebrew language. He. she would also have known that 6000 years ago in the world there were quite civilised and literate, cultured and rich people who did not want to hear all this gibberish. Ahh but they were heathens you see! You want to believe in the vile god of jesus, that's no problem of mine. You want to impose your god on me, I have a serious difficulty.Force does not work.Intellectual debate will certainly work.But when it comes to intellectual debate to spread the word of jesus/mohammad there is a serious lacuna.Both lack intelligence! So there is nothing to debate.You tell me Jesus was the only SON of GOD. I will say I have many gods with many sons and daughters ( legit and illegit) and why should I believe in only one god and one son?
Your arguement has no logical legs to stand on. Its lame.It falls flat the moment you take away the blind,unsubstantiated faith. I am willing to accept that Jesus was SON of god if you show me in bible one place where jesus has said there will be internet one day with a down load speed of 100000 kbps!
Infact in my mumbojumbo written 10000 years before jesus was born, the lord presents to his sister a small hand held mirror like structure and in that mirror she can see the pictures and hear voice of all people she knows and likes! A bit like personal DVD of today is mentioned.This was 10000 years ago and still I would not call it as divine! First and foremost understand that all religions are MAN made.It's MAn not even a woman and that's why a woman's chastity is always examined carefully by god.
roman wrote: "Do you know
roman wrote:
"Do you know Pope Paul VI had declared that the Big bang theory and the creation story in the Bible didn’t contradict. “Let there be light” and the big bang occurred."
It was a Roman Catholic Priest from Belgium, Fr. Georges Lemaitre who gave us the Big Bang Theory.
WAGA: THE OT WAS WRITTEN BY
WAGA:
THE OT WAS WRITTEN BY MEN INSPIRED BY GOD. GOD WROTE NONE OF THE OT. 42 JEWISH MEN WROTE THE BIBLE. EVEN THE lAW OF MOSES WAS WRITTEN BY Moses with miraculous help. THE OT NOR THE NT WAS WRITTEN BY GOD, UNLIKE THE QURAN CLAIMS IT WAS. Thus the Ten Words are the Words of God, not the rest. Jesus came and transmitted the desires of God to the Christians, but those words were sent by god not written by God. Most of the NT were letters written by men.
Raisin Head says: THE OT WAS
Raisin Head says: THE OT WAS WRITTEN BY MEN INSPIRED BY GOD. GOD WROTE NONE OF THE OT.
>> What do you mean when you say 'inspired by God'? If God has inspired a bunch of lunatics to write such horrible stuff, then the Biblical God must be a maniac himself. Tell me if the following verses can be inspired by any God. Stick to your logic and answer.
1. Duetoronomy 22:28-29 If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
2. Judges 5.30 : They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil.
3. Hosea 13.16: Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
4. Isaiah 13.16: Their achildren also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their bhouses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.
Please don't say it was meant for a particular class of people and location and has nothing to do now. God cannot inspire anyone to smash babies, or take captured women as sex slaves. Do you have common sense at all? Even Muslims can give similar arguments. If you are righteous enough, be bold to say hell with that dirty God of OT. End of the argument okie dokie
Ahh see the twists snd turns
Ahh see the twists snd turns the nut cases take to justify the absurdities!
The book was to start with the word of GOD.Nothing but the word of GOD.Then as soon as the people who did not believe questioned the word of GOD, some cretins ( like the moslems) bumped them off ( the doubters) and so no questions asked about the word of GOD. The vile and cunning and crafty suddenly start introducing new terminologies.
Actually its not the word of GOD, but words inspired by GOD and written by pre historic human beings! for prehistoric human beings.As if the fellow is in prehistoric times! Frankly speaking these fellas should be sent back to caves , make it prehistoric please , where they came from!
Then they will say The earlier part (old testicle) was inspired by god but the new testicle was inspired and written by god!
Then they will say these words are actually the words applicable for people of those times and not people of today.
Then they will say the book should be read for what it is .That's as a record of history and not obligatory or compulsory to follow all in it but is propositional..
Then they will say look it does not make a bean of difference to me. i believe and so I am a good moslem /christian.Then they will say , ahh street comedian is spreading hatred.Then a few more morons join in and nod their New and Old Test***** vigourously and say he should be banned blah, blah...
Then a few more brain atrophied fellas curse about the girls of my country! Supposing I am from a christian country?Ahh that possibility does not come in to the hatred filled brains.
Why hatred? Simple. Many have disrobed the dead jew on a stick and the pedophile rapist and are doing it unambigously. So you have to hate these fellas.To Refute the truth, you need brains and necessary infromation.To refute a lie all it requires is to study the lie for a few seconds and the lie is glaring.just like the flat earth!
wAGA: Joseph Smith of the
wAGA:
Joseph Smith of the Mormons was inspired by his God as was Muhammad. Inspired means just that, having faith in what is perceived as right. Most of the OT was just history of Jews and needed no inspiration.
The book like the Quran is the Book of the Mormons who says all of the Jews were Mormions like the Muslims say they were Muslims. Same GOD!
Raisin, you have been soundly
Raisin, you have been soundly defeated in comment #37. Read it and save it for future reference. Common champ, you say OT was INSPIRED BY GOD and yet you are not able to accept whatever is quoed from OT. It shows the history of Christianity and most importantly why Europe lived under dark ages.
So, you don't consider Mormons as Christians, do you? Are they heretics or infidels? What about Pentacostals or SDA or Plesbetarian sects? They must be heretics to each other. Wow we have the biggest caste system ever present on earth. Seriously, keep your real name as "RAISIN HEAD" because 1) you don't have enough brains to make arguments, and 2) You say God influenced people to write Old Testaments, which is fit for toilet papers. Why should someone even publish such dirty , filthy books. shame on you
Raisin, your arguments are
Raisin, your arguments are similar to Muslim arguments. LOL
I would like to have my
I would like to have my comments on 37, where wagamama quoted a few bibilical versus. I am not an expert in the Bible but just started studying it deeply. The first verse (Deuteronomy) is one of the 600 odd commands given by God to people who do not know how to behave in the initial stage of society. Even today when a man raped a woman 10yrs rigorous imprisonment is given to him by many countries, where the justice system consists of Roman law Bibilical law. Your others versus are predictions, what would happen if the people rebel against God and lose God's protection. Please note the verbs ''Samaria SHALL become desolate' , SHALL fall by the sword, SHALL be dashed in pieces' possibly in a war. If you do not understand biblical prediction it will be something like this.
" The people of Russia has rebelled against me and accepted atheism and communism. Twenty million people shall be slaughtered (in the revolution). The people shall live in communes and all their children shall be taken away from their parents and shall be in state custody. The people shall work hard and paid less. They can not do anything on thier own. No thrilling things in their life, so when on sharp 5 pm, they drop their tools in the factory and run to the bars and drink vodka and become drunkards. Further more, an evil power from the west (Nazies) shall invade Russia and destroy their cities and another three million of people shall perish (in the war).
This is an example how the bible prediction will be. Wagamama you too can predict basing on the bible versus. The Bible says '"for this cause a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife and they shall become ONE FLESH. If your friend cheats on his wife and sleep with other women you can predict. " His wife shall leave him alone and go away from him. His children shall become orphans. He shall eat in Mcdonalds for the rest of his life. No woman shall hold his hands in true love and faith because he lusts after all women. He shall inherit various diseases, diebetics, BP, AIDS, and shall die early before the appointed time.
If you are angry with God or the Bible for such predictions it is up to you. However don't make mistake, that Bible was the basis of our social order, the Bibilical marriage system that was our barrier against human passion and instability, the Biblical moral code that lifted us from brutality to civilisation and curtesy.
#4 What about christianity is
#4
What about christianity is wrong? Name just one!
raisin head just read some of
raisin head
just read some of his old comments.
he seems to be hurt so seriously by x-nity that he's intolerant of it.
I am not hurt. I said that
I am not hurt. I said that the OT ten words were from God, the rest of the OT was inspired from God. Moses wrote the Books of the Torah and the rest were written by other Israelites. As the bible said, the hand of God wrote the Ten Words and that's all. Unlike the quran which was written all by allah. A converted Xtian was the writer as ahadith said and when he told all in Mecca Muhammad had him killed.
Name one thing that the Bible said for Xtians to do was wrong. I challenge any of you to name just one. Not what was for Israelites in the OT, but for Jews and Gentiles of all sorts from 30 CE til now.
mine, mine. i didn't mean u
mine, mine.
i didn't mean u were hurt, i meant PK was. Couldn't u guess?
#46 Sorry!
#46 Sorry!
Ahh one nutter supporting
Ahh one nutter supporting another!
Evillbible.com is all you nutters need to read and digest! God Will Kill the Children of Sinners
If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT) Its beyond why any one would want to believe this vomitus called lord? More like Lard fatso
I went to the supermarket
I went to the supermarket recently, and found in the produce department a fruit called a Nectarine. Apprently, its a cross between an apricot and a peach. Now the bible tells us that each 'thing' brings forth after itself, this being the case, how on earth does the Nectarine exist? After all its neither a peach or an apricot, but something different. Granted that it has been manipulated to do this by humans, but its not beyond the bounds of possibilities for this to have also taken place by accident, who knows, it may already have taken place with other fruit in antiquity?
but we would never know because we would only know the new fruit, without guessing that its a hybrid. I know it will be difficuilt for our believing friends to get their heads around this, but it is actual proof of how evolution works. It also proves that the bible lied when it states that each each shall bring after its own, and if it can be proven false in one respect, who can say how many other things its got wrong?
Please dont think I'm an anti
Please dont think I'm an anti christian, I'm not, there are many flaws in all religions,I just can't be bothered critiquing all of them.