Debate with convert Donald Morgan part 5
Submitted by Ali Sina on Thu, 04/02/2009 - 06:00
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Also, according to the DSM a person who suffers from NPD has a lack of empathy. They tune out others who try to talk to them or ask questions. If we look to the Hadith, we must ask how it came into being. The Hadith are recorded sayings and actions of Muhammad by his companions. With regards to sayings, how did they come about? Was Muhammad just spitting out facts for his companions to record? If one looks to the Hadith we see that in many instances, the sayings of Muhammad came about as a direct result of someone coming to him and asking a question. In many Hadith it says ‘A man came to the prophet and asked…’ or ‘a woman came to the prophet and asked…’ or ‘they asked the prophet…’ To these questions, Muhammad gave his answer. These answers were recorded by the companions and comprise the Hadith. Muhammad did indeed have empathy because whenever he was asked a question that pertains to Islam or faith he would give an answer to that question. He did not turn people out and retreat to his house or some other location. He engaged those who came to him with questions. This is not the sign of someone who suffers from NPD.
Ali Sina
Muhammad answered only questions that were not probing or defiant of his claim and authority. Narcissists love answering such questions. Questions such as, “Oh Prophet, tell us where the sun goes when it sets?” And he would authoritatively tell those fools that the sun will set in murky waters at the other end of the Earth and then will go under the throne of Allah asking permission to rise the next day and one day the permission will not be granted and the sun will not rise. Or, “Oh Rassoul’u’llah please instruct us how to pray, how to perform ablution, how to clean our butts after responding to the call of the nature?” Non challenging questions, inflate the ego of the narcissist and he loves them. He wants to portray himself as all informed and the source of all knowledge.
The narcissist cannot stand interrogatory, challenging or probing questions. Too many questions that may expose him as a fraud are not welcomed. Muhammad was unequivocal about it. The Quran. 5:101-102 says.
“O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble… Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.”
Also Bukhari reports two hadiths where Muhammad says “Allah has forbidden for you to ask too many questions." (Bukhari. 3..41. 591and .2.24.555)
Even today, things have not changed. Go to a mosque and ask about Islam and you’ll fine smiling faces all around you eager to answer all your questions. But dare to ask a challenging question such as: Is there any logical proof that Muhammad was a prophet of God? Why if he was a messenger of God his actions were so ungodly? If Islam is a religion of peace why so many Muslims are engaged in terrorism and why the mainstream Muslims support them? Why did Muhammad ambush unwary people, kill unarmed and defenseless citizens, raped their women and looted their wealth? Where did Muhammad's immense wealth come from? (Muslims want to believe he remained poor all his life, despite all the loots) How can we be sure that he was not suffering from mental illness? Why did he have sex with an underage girl, wit his own dauther in law or with young women whose husband and father he had beheaded or tortured to death only hours earlier? Why there are so many contradictions in the Quran? Well, you won’t be able to start the second question because you’ll be a dead man by the time you finish the first one (if you are in an Islamic country). All these questions are legitimate but Muslims have no tolerance hearing them.
Donald Morgan
I would like to end these examples, because they are too many, by illustrating another aspect of Muhammad’s life that disqualifies him from being a person who suffers from NPD. According to the DSM a person who suffers from NPD is usually not hard working. They often put their work load on others and have others do their bidding. Here are two Hadith that show us that Muhammad was a hard working man, who did not force his workload upon others or have others do his bidding.
‘Hadrat Anas (may Allah be pleased with him) said that when a man of the Ansar came to Prophet Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) and begged from him, he asked him whether he had nothing in his house.When he said that he had a piece of cloth, which he used for wearing as well as for spreading on the ground, and a wooden bowl from which he drank water, he told him to bring them to him, and when he did so he took them in his hand and asked, "Who will buy these?" When a man offered a dirham he asked twice or thrice. "Who will offer more than a dirham?" and he gave them to a man who offered two dirhams. He then took the two dirhams and giving them to the Ansari he said, "Buy food with one of them and hand it to your family, and buy an axe with the other and bring it to me." When he bought it, Allah's Prophetic Messenger fixed a handle on it with his own hand and said, "Go gather firewood and sell it, and don't let me see you for a fortnight." The man went away and gathered firewood and sold it. When he had earned ten dirhams he came to him and bought a garment with some of them and food with others. Then Allah's Prophetic Messenger said, "This is better for you than that begging should come as a spot on your face on the Day of Resurrection. Begging is right for only three people: one who is in grinding poverty, one who is seriously in debt, or one who is responsible for blood-wit he finds it difficult to pay." (Abu Dawud)
Ali Sina
In everything you write I can see you haven’t read my book. Narcissist are good in giving others advises that they themselves do not follow. Take the example of the buffoon O = Zero. He tells the Americans that they have to save energy. They should not heat their houses too much. That they should not drive big cars and SUVs that consume too much gas and should tighten their belts and not overspend. Great advises eh? But he himself puts the heat of the White house to the max so high that in the middle of one of the coldest winters everyone in the White House had to take off their coats to work. He takes private jets along with friends to vacation in beach front houses that cost $3500 dollars per night each. He spends $150 million dolloars to celebrate his nomination, and several nights per week he throws sumptuous parties in the White House to entertain friends and those whom he wants to influence for his political gain, parties that make the nights of Camelot look like child play. Obviously the words and the actions of narcissists do not match. They consider themselves above the law, even their own law. Working is for those low life people, but not for the narcissists who think work is demeaning. They are there to advise others but not to do the menial work. (It is revealing that the Saudis don’t like any hand on work. They like administrative work only. Is there a piece of Muhammad in every Arab, or Muslim)
Muhammad, like this buffoon in the White House, was a narcissist. He never worked in his entire life. Finally his poor uncle who had several children to feed told him that he could not provide for him anymore and since he is 25 years old he should find a work. Knowing that his nephew is a bum and incapable of finding a job, Abu Talib himself went to Khadija who was a cousin of him and asked her whether she would hire Muhammad. Muhammad went to Syria once in the service of Khadija and as her amin (trustee). That was the extent of the work this man did in his entire life.
Prior to marrying Khadija he would sometimes take Abu Talib’s goats to the wilderness, a girly work in Arabia. After marrying Khadija he stopped working altogether and did not even take care of the children. He would withdraw from the society and the world and go to his mental and physical cave and stay in that reclusive state for days. Khadija remained home taking care of nine children (three of her own and six with Muhammad). She also took care of Muhammad who was like another spoiled child to her. Her business suffered as the result and her wealth vanished by the end.
Now the reader may wonder why Khadija did not object and how did she put up with such a lazy man. If you want to know you’ve to read my book. It explains everything. By the time you are done, you’ll be an expert on Muhammad.
you’ll learn that not only Muhammad was lazy and never worked he was also a coward and never put his own life in peril, and while heading many of his war expeditions, at no time he ever confronted the enemy personally. He would stay behind his men, well protected and guarded, and would shout, cursing the enemy and goading his followers not to fear death.
Donald Morgan
Mother of faithful believers, Sayyidatina Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) narrates: "Allahs Prophetic Messenger (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) would mend his shoes, darn his clothes and do household work like any ordinary person. He was a man among men and he would milk his goat and do all his personal work himself." (Tirmidhi). You can read more about Muhammad at http://www.iqra.net/Hadith/honesty.php.
Ali Sina
Anyone does small things for themselves. Work is going out making money. When Muhammad was poor he had to mend his shoes and darn his cloths. That all ended when he started looting people and there was no need to wear old shoes and tattered cloths. Both Muhammad and Zero never had real jobs.
By the way, I see you are quoting Tirmidhi. Is he reliable or not? He is obviously reliable when you quote him, but not when I quote him eh?
Donald Morgan
In conclusion to this section, we must ask what is learned. I was able to illustrate that Muhammad does not fit the profile of a person suffering from NPD. If you refer back to the DSM, the very last point I entered from this text (which Ali Sina also uses as a reference in his book) is that a person who suffers from NPD does not and is unwilling to change, no matter what the circumstance is. The fact that I was able to show aspects of Muhammad’s life that illustrate his humbleness and personality traits that contradict what is written in the DSM, proves beyond doubt that Muhammad did not suffer from NPD. It is now the task of Ali Sina to try and disprove what I have stated about Muhammad. If we can both agree that these instances in Muhammad’s life are authentic then it is up to Ali Sina to show us how these instances in Muhammad’s life prove he suffered from NPD. If Ali Sina is unable to do so, then he must conclude that Muhammad did not suffer from NPD. I know that Ali Sina will not address the points I have given him. He will use some type of tactic, whether it be ducking these facts completely or ‘beating around the bush’, to wiggle his way out the hard place my evidence has put him in.
Ali Sina
You should leave that conclusion to the readers. You simply proved that you don’t know anything about narcissism or about Muhammad. You also proved that you did not read my book and said things without the knowledge that they have been already refuted. It would have been better if you had quoted me and refuted my arguments. I doubt you read passed the title of the chapters.
Your other error is self projection. You assume I will duck your points and will not address them when this was exactly what you did. I read every bit of your drivel and responded to them, as I usually do, almost paragraph by paragraph, so nothing is left out. I have debunked your arguments, whereas you did not even read my book to address mine. Instead of refuting me and disproving my interpretation of the evidences, you went on writing your own book disregarding completely what I had written. How is this supposed to be a rebuttal of my book when you have not refuted any of my arguments?
You should have quoted me paragraph by paragraph or argument by argument and responded to them. Muslims are good in talking (and in saber rattling) but they are not good in listening.
Please come back tomorrow for part 6
It is difficult to believe
It is difficult to believe that Morgan, so well-versed in English, is unable to answer the questions posed by Ali Sena. It is certain that Ali Sena is rebutting Morgan and not vice-versa.
Sadiq alias Morgan, it seems your soul is lost to 7th century Arabian desert. Your may never see daylight again in this life. If you want to believe in Islam, stick it to it only in the form of worship. But never declare Jihad against non-Muslims. Is that clear?
# 1 No Rationalist. These 7
# 1
No Rationalist. These 7 parts are all in the same long "rebutal" that Morgan sent me. I divided it in 7 parts because it was too long. He has not yet responded to things that I have written. I don't care whether he responds or not. I am not interested to talk with him. I made a mistake debating with a rookie. However, he can post his rebutal here or in the forum. Really the more he digs his heel the more ridiculous he looks. If Morgan had any sense by now he would have realized Islam is a lie and he has committed a big blunder by converting to this cult. But as I said before, I have no such hopes for him. If he was capable of seeing the light my book would have done it.
Heck I have even hard time making the Obamabots see the light and this buffoon has not even proclaimed to be a prophet, at least not yet. Once the brain shrinks it's shrunk. Not even God can open a closed mind.
I am amazed to know that he
I am amazed to know that he still wants to write a rebuttal. He is either completely brainwashed or he is just playing to someone else's tune. I really don't know which one he is?
I just cannot understand why
I just cannot understand why doesn't Morgan stop beating around the bush and answer the accusations of Mohammad being a mass murderer , looter , rapist , and a pedophile. The only problem is he has nothing to say except total bullshit.
I wonder if any humanity is left in him? Well the answer is obvious "NO!".
I have decided to take up the
I have decided to take up the job of supporting moslems all over.Any takers for my offer?
The ability to string together words in english, with out addressing the core issue or making sense is a typical british/ english politician's pass time.While at it, listen to the conversation between the TV anchor and any British or american politician.The TV anchor would have asked some question and the fellow will go on for 10 minutes with out exactly saying any thing conclusive,useful or adressing the question.Its an art. Quite a few britishers have this art.We call it as in plain english bullshitting! That's exactly what the baboon has done.
the core issue is this.
Was prophet maha low day mohammad a beti chod? Did he or did he not screw his daughter? yes or no answer will do thank you and No BS please.
2.Did the maha low day mohammad kill kafirs? Yes or no?
3.Did the maha low day mohammad have slave s and did he or ndid he not screw slaves? yes or not.No bullshitting please.
4.Did the maha low day mohammad beat his wives? yes or no?
5.Did the maha low day sleep with a girl aged 6 yes or no?
The problem with moslem low dais is the same.They can not think beyond their maha lowdaws and that of prophets low day
I can understand believing in
I can understand believing in a religion if you are born in it and you never honestly questioned it. But to convert to another religion after questioning and leaving your own religion is mind boggling. I think if you question your religion honestly you will eventually become an atheist or agnostic. Donald seems like a fairly educated and decent guy. I don't understand how can he believe that Gabriel volunteered to throw mountains on a city. Its ridiculous. Muslims are being attacked all over the world for a justified or unjustified reason, I never see Gabriel or any other angel throwing mountains. If even in this era you believe a noonsense like that, you have some issues and possibly should get your brain checked out. Same applies to followers of other religions who believe in outrageous claims . Some ridiculous claims:
Jesus was born of a virgin (Christians)
A monkey picked up a mountain and jumped across a sea (Many Hindus)
Once in a while you must
Once in a while you must debate such people of ignorance this will hone your skills to target the scholars. Practice makes perfect.
This Morgan fellow is a deadly combination, white trash converted to Islam. Come with a condescending white attitude and embrace a religion that professes to be superior to all others. (Wow, I can be a racist and an Islamophobe in the same sentence)
I would love to know his academic qualifications, throughout the debate he has not refuted even one statement of Mr. Sina but goes of on a tangent dwelling on a few points about a stereotypical NPD that he must have read somewhere and is making sure that he covers each of those points by applying them to MO.
The first time I realised
The first time I realised there was something wrong with Muslims or Islam was when I was in Grade 10 in 1992. I was returning from a temple on a Saturday afternoon. I knew that Muslims were voilent in nature. I was standing near a bakery. All of a sudden, at around 5 pm, I found two Muslim men who trying to drag a young Hindu woman into an auto Rickshaw (a vehicle). She was screaming for help. It seriously looked like a movie shooting. The Muslim men were around 25-30 yrs. Some people tried to intervene, but these goons overpowered them. I knew I was too young to face them. Luckily, I found an iron rod with a U shape at the end, which is used for closing the bakery door at the end of the day. I crossed the road and hit one of the Muslim goons on the neck so hard that he couldn't move. The other person ran away threatening me that he would come back with his gang to avenge the defeat. Anyhow the girl was saved. I knew that I would be in trouble because the police would arrest me for paralysing that goon. Even I had to run away to Bangalore for few months. In those days, we didn't have any right-wing Hindu organisations such as Hindu Janajagruti Samiti or Ram Sena. Later on, because of my parental pressure, I had to move to Mysore to complete my undergraduate degree. But my curiosity about Islam didn't die. I used to think- are there any Muslims that can really think about the voilent nature of Islam? One day at work I googled 'Apostates of Islam'. Then I came across faithfreedom. I learnt so much about the evil nature of Islam that I can pretty much quote fluently from Quran and hadiths whenever I am debating with Muslims. Thank you FFI
The reason behind explaining my view of Islam is that 99% of the Muslims listen only to force and nothing else. I still justify my action because non-voilence at all times will not win the race. If a Muslim slaps you and you offer your other cheek, then he will not only slap you again but also turn his voilence towards your family members. My religion preaches that when all outlets for peace are closed, then use voilence to establish Dharma. This is what Bhagavad gita preaches. To me Jesus or Buddha's philosophy is good only when you are living in a sublime environment. Never ever take a step back when you are forced to fight irreligion.
Rationalist
P.S: You will rarely see a Muslim condemning Buddha or Mahaveer or Gandhi or other peaceful personalities. OTOH, they are quick to call Bhagavad gita a terror book because Krishna reminds you to stand for the cause of Dharma. As long as Kshatriya (warrior) spirit dwells in us, Muslims will never be able to conquer us.
The burning central issue
The burning central issue here is this.Is there any thing wrong in believing that a monkey carried a mountain and flew? May be stupid. But I get peace of mind in believing this stupidity, its no skin off your back right?
Am I forcing this monkey belief on you in any way? A simple yes or no answer will do thank you.NO bsing.
Am I killing in the name of this monkey?
Am i screwing a little child aged 6 because of the monkey carrying the mountain belief? Yes or NO?
Am I generally going beserk because of the mountain carrying monkey? Yes or nO?
Let us turn to moslems the evil incarnate maha low day mohammad and his piglet foot low day soldiers.
1.Are moslems killin in the name of the evil islam, rapist maha low day mohammad? a simple yes or no would help thank you.Infact the moslems are killing in the name of low da mohammad not only the kafirs, but also the moslems as well!!
2.Are moslems raping 6 year old children because of maha low das capital teachings? The resounding answer would be YES
3.Are moslem low days forcing their views ( of pedphilia, raping,killin etc) on others/ of course no.They will kill other wise and so death or accept the mohammad's love da wher ever he sticks it in.In the mouth or back passage
4.Are maha love das mohammad's pedophile followers going beserk in the name of love da? Yes would be a gross understatement.
That's the difference.
See evil, hear evil. do evil, appreciate evil, propogate evil,procreate evil,think evil, write evil, screw evil love da evil islam. That summarises islam for all.
lol, i really like it when
lol, i really like it when these islamist ridicule themselves and not knowing it. yesterday there is a TV debate in my country about "Is It possible for a non-muslim to be a president in Indonesia" and the islamist side separate the voter by moslem and kafir, they really say that... and make it for all islamist in indonesia haraam to vote for non-islam leader despite its qualification... they even go as far as, they better vote for moslem leader even though the moslem leader has bad attitude or personality. that brings me to a point, how BLIND these people is!
sorry for my poor english...
"To me Jesus or Buddha’s
"To me Jesus or Buddha’s philosophy is good only when you are living in a sublime environment."
Rationalist,
When Jesus said turn the other cheek or any other pacifist dogma he was pretty sure no one was capable of following his laws 100%. His intention was to show that no one human being is righteous on God's sight. He was there to discourage any human arrogant attitude of "I'm unto my own prophet", "I follow golden rule", and so and so. Thus we christians do not follow Jesus in order to be good or moral people. The law of the land itself is sufficient to lead someone into morality. If someone think that religion purpose is only to make good citizens of the state then obviously religions are irrelevant to humans. Which governement laws justifies any immoral behavior (except sharia led governments)?
y is my comment awaiting
y is my comment awaiting moderation?
Dear Donald Morgan, Please
Dear Donald Morgan,
Please do not waste your valuable time with a psycho. There is a saying, “You cannot teach an old dog a new trick.”
Dear Komal Dont be so komal!
Dear Komal
Dont be so komal! All my messages always await moderators scrutiny! I just donno why? All ii write is about the allah mera Love day and rasool mohammad maha luv day.They get up set!
Well AMIM, you can't teach an
Well AMIM, you can't teach an old dog a new trick. Its applies so well on you, even after reading all of this you still refuse to believe in that shit cult of yours. Ahem! I guess that makes you a dog or maybe a B I T C H.
There seems to be a technical
There seems to be a technical snag somewhere, I dunno whats wrong with the moderating system, almost every comment seems to undergo moderation?
AMIM, Welcome back. Keep
AMIM,
Welcome back. Keep reading her sweetie, you'll learn something
Rationalist, WOW! That was
Rationalist,
WOW! That was pretty brave......I'm sure that girl thanks you to this day....hope so anyway...glad you yourself are safe.
Guys, I don't mean to sound dumb, but did Mohammed really tell his followers that bullshit about the sun......if so....God, what an idiot!
I received an email several months back from a friend. It was about our "lovely" president (pre-president) going to....Afghan, I believe....to visit with some soldiers.....anyway, he didn't even acknowledge them.....guess he felt since they were fighting part of him he wanted nothing to do with them....they were underneath him.
Rest assure this American did NOT vote for that bafoon! And never will!
#9 proudkafir, Unlike
#9
proudkafir,
Unlike polytheistic religions Christianity and Islam actively try to convert, Its the nature of those religions. Their God asked them to spread the message. Monotheistic religions always seek dominance over other religions. Some do it by peaceful means, some by violent. However both are driven by the same reason, that is belief in their God's word. Polytheists already believe in so many Gods that adding one more to the list doesn't make any difference to them, something unthinkable to monotheists.
Ali says: Why did Muhammad
Ali says:
Why did Muhammad ambush unwary people, kill unarmed and defenseless citizens,
While I do not want to challenge the audacity or veracity of the statement since I am not that widely read, however please give me one authentic evidence to support this statement (I mean unequivocal proof, which could not be debated one way or another).
peace_ lover It really is
peace_ lover
It really is baffling how people believe absurd things, like this Morgan Character who despite the madness the Muslims exhibit incessantly in the global arena, despite the the glaring misogyny and total dehumanization of women Morgan still not only thinks but believes it is all ok.
What kind of a godly man will allow slavery and even take delights enjoying the literal booty it brings? come on human, you know better.
Yes Mr. Morgan, a man gets off scott-free for raping a woman while the woman faces the gallows because finding four adults, Muslims, sane and mature witnesses who saw the act in pestle and mortar style is akin to finding a married bachelor, how the heck could four Muslims thugs converge and sharpen their x-rated eyes to catch that kind of a private act simultaneously??
So it really is true, Muslims who see no problem with the sharia killings are not out to positively palliate suffering of any kind in this world, true Muslim's humanity excoriates from birth to the time he supports a long billy-goat type beard or the time when she says " it is ok for my husband to marry another woman"
The best part of the debate for me is where Sina wrote about the need to seek a credible evidence not con-men tricks before believing in any prophet, I am sure people of these deluded (fire and brimstone ) religions be it Muslims or Christians the world over could have been better humans who will not agree with any god who promises
hell fire had our ancestors been wiser in accepting claims.
BD ( who sees nothing wrong with child believing in Santa, but an adult frozen on an anthropomorphic god is a lunacy.)
AMIM. That old Dog is surely
AMIM.
That old Dog is surely the haggard brute who took an unearthly psychotic pleasure in sleeping with a nascent and totally mentally immature girl, I am not a zoologist but I won't be speaking an untruth if I say true Dogs don't give a hoot about the age of the bitch, that says a lot on the resemblance between a messenger of god and the one animal he so despised, little wonder there, they had to compete.
The least I expect from the Muslims even before making an objective analysis about Mohammad is to consider him a "freak" Zeid's wife - snatched for sex, Hafsah - lied to, to gain sexual access, Mariyah - violated sexually, Aisha -molested since pre-teen years, 9 or more wives all for sex, it really was the Old Dog's world.
Hello Salim You do not need
Hello Salim
You do not need Ali for this one. Here is an article FFI was kind enough to publish for me. It will answer your question. If you need more evidence, let me know. There is literally tons of them:
http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2144
Hey BD who sees nothing wrong
Hey BD
who sees nothing wrong with child believing in Santa, but an adult frozen on an anthropomorphic god is a lunacy
I actually loved that!!
Salim. Thanks man, it pains
Salim.
Thanks man, it pains to see a grown up acting childish, take care.
Muhammad was indeed a looter,
Muhammad was indeed a looter, Murderer, and a rapist. Evidence below
Bukhari
(1) Narrated Ibn Aun: I wrote a letter to Nafi and Nafi wrote in reply to my letter that the Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn 'Umar had told him the above narration and that Ibn 'Umar was in that army. (Book #46, Hadith #717)
(2) Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I saw Abu Said and asked him about coitus interruptus. Abu Said said, "We went with Allah's Apostle, in the Ghazwa of Barli Al-mustaliq and we captured some of the 'Arabs as captives, and the long separation from our wives was pressing us hard and we wanted to practice coitus interruptus. We asked Allah's Apostle (whether it was permissible). He said, "It is better for you not to do so. No soul, (that which Allah has) destined to exist, up to the Day of Resurrection, but will definitely come, into existence." (Book #46, Hadith #718)
(3) Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-Azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Said said, "We went out with Allah's Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interrupt us, we said, 'How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah's Apostle who is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said, 'It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist." (Book #59, Hadith #459)
Muslim
Ibn 'Aun reported: I wrote to Nafi' inquiring from him whether it was necessary to extend (to the disbelievers) an invitation to accept (Islam) before m". ing them in fight. He wrote (in reply) to me that it was necessary in the early days of Islam. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) made a raid upon Banu mustaliq while they were unaware and their cattle were having a drink at the water. He killed those who fought and imprisoned others. On that very day, he captured Juwairiya bint al-Harith. Nafi' said that this tradition was related to him by Abdullah b. Umar who (himself) was among the raiding troops. (Book #019, Hadith #4292)
Below is a proof of rape. Yes, Muhammad was a rapist. He killed Juwayriyyah’s husband and all adult male relatives. Hours after killing all her adult male family (extended family), he “married” her and slept with her. Now, my question to all Muslims out there is this: Does marrying her makes it less of rape? Gee, I wonder if she had any actual choices here!!
Abu Dawud
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: Juwayriyyah, daughter of al-Harith ibn al-mustaliq, fell to the lot of Thabit ibn Qays ibn Shammas, or to her cousin. She entered into an agreement to purchase her freedom. She was a very beautiful woman, most attractive to the eye. Aisha said: She then came to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) asking him for the purchase of her freedom. When she was standing at the door, I looked at her with disapproval. I realised that the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) would look at her in the same way that I had looked. She said: Apostle of Allah, I am Juwayriyyah, daughter of al-Harith, and something has happened to me, which is not hidden from you. I have fallen to the lot of Thabit ibn Qays ibn Shammas, and I have entered into an agreement to purchase of my freedom. I have come to you to seek assistance for the purchase of my freedom. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: Are you inclined to that which is better? She asked: What is that, Apostle of Allah? He replied: I shall pay the price of your freedom on your behalf, and I shall marry you. She said: I shall do this. She (Aisha) said: The people then heard that the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) had married Juwayriyyah. They released the captives in their possession and set them free, and said: They are the relatives of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) by marriage. We did not see any woman greater than Juwayriyyah who brought blessings to her people. One hundred families of Banu al-mustaliq were set free on account of her. (Book #29, Hadith #3920)
HAND BOOK 2009 Health: 1.
HAND BOOK 2009
Health:
1. Drink plenty of water.
2. Eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince and dinner like a beggar.
3. Eat more foods that grow on trees and plants and eat less food that is manufactured in plants.
4. Live with the 3 E's -- Energy, Enthusiasm, and Empathy.
5. Make time for prayer.
6. Play more games.
7. Read more books than you did in 2008.
8. Sit in silence for at least 10 minutes each day.
9. Sleep for 7 hours..
10. Take a 10-30 minutes walk every day. And while you walk, smile.
Personality:
11. Don't compare your life to others'. You have no idea what their journey is all about.
12. Don't have negative thoughts or things you cannot control. Instead invest your energy in the positive present moment.
13. Don't over do. Keep your limits.
14. Don't take yourself so seriously. No one else does.
15. Don't waste your precious energy on gossip.
16. Dream more while you are awake.
17. Envy is a waste of time. You already have all you need.
18. Forget issues of the past. Don't remind your partner with his/her mistakes of the past. That will ruin your present happiness.
19. Life is too short to waste time hating anyone. Don't hate others.
20. Make peace with your past so it won't spoil the present.
21. No one is in charge of your happiness except you..
22. Realize that life is a school and you are here to learn. Problems are simply part of the curriculum that appear and fade away like algebra class but the lessons you learn will last a lifetime.
23. Smile and laugh more.
24. You don't have to win every=2 0argument. Agree to disagree.
Society:
25. Call your family often.
26. Each day give something good to others.
27. Forgive everyone for everything.
28. Spend time with people over the age of 70 & under the age of 6.
29. Try to make at least three people smile each day.
30. What other people think of you is none of your business.
31. Your job won't take care of you when you are sick. Your friends will. Stay in touch.
Life:
32. Do the right thing!
33. Get rid of anything that isn't useful, beautiful or joyful.
34. GOD heals everything.
35. However good or bad a situation is, it will change.
36. No matter how you feel, get up, dress up and show up.
37. The best is yet to come.
38. When you awake alive in the morning, thank GOD for it.
39. Your Inner most is always happy. So, be happy.
Last but not the least:
Be sure that you appreciate Everything you've got;
And be thankful for the little things in life that mean a lot.
Smile in pleasure, smile in pain; Smile when trouble pours like rain; Smile when someone hurts U, Smile coz someone cares 4 U. Keep Smiling.
Wishing Your Days Be Filled With Happiness, Peace And Good Health...
Hi Amim, I really like your
Hi Amim,
I really like your handbook 2009. I hope you are well. I hope you will turn to humanity and leave Islam.
May Peace and Joy be with you Amim!
Regards,
kikl
Dear amim, Nice new
Dear amim,
Nice new year resolutions.Take care.
Why do I get the feeling that
Why do I get the feeling that Donald Morgan is a lazy person who does not want to work and that is why he converted to Islam, in hopes of having slaves do all his dirty work after Islam conquers the world.
In conclusion to this section, we must ask what is learned. I was able to illustrate that Muhammad does not fit the profile of a person suffering from NPD. If you refer back to the DSM, the very last point I entered from this text (which Ali Sina also uses as a reference in his book) is that a person who suffers from NPD does not and is unwilling to change, no matter what the circumstance is. The fact that I was able to show aspects of Muhammad’s life that illustrate his humbleness and personality traits that contradict what is written in the DSM, proves beyond doubt that Muhammad did not suffer from NPD. It is now the task of Ali Sina to try and disprove what I have stated about Muhammad. If we can both agree that these instances in Muhammad’s life are authentic then it is up to Ali Sina to show us how these instances in Muhammad’s life prove he suffered from NPD. If Ali Sina is unable to do so, then he must conclude that Muhammad did not suffer from NPD. I know that Ali Sina will not address the points I have given him. He will use some type of tactic, whether it be ducking these facts completely or ‘beating around the bush’, to wiggle his way out the hard place my evidence has put him in.
Dude you have just described yourself.
To Marie: Stunning Conclusion!
While reading your lengthy repeat of quotes by Mr. Morgan's, I could not figure out what you are trying convey. The end sentence simply triggered a comic relief in me. "Dude you have just described yourself" Perfect! It is put simply in an outstanding way.
Our best wishes are with Dr. Ali Sina to conserve his energy as it is extremely difficult to debate with confused persons like Mr. Morgan who is typical of people who start with a purpose to convey something about a person or an issue often end up perfectly describing themselves totally forgetting about what they intend to convey. Lengthy looping and repetition of fallacious arguments and finally coming out of it with a Self awarded victory is another compulsive trait.
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#18, Free spirit, Muslims
#18, Free spirit, Muslims believe in mob attack. They don't fight face-to-face battles. Moreover, if there is any voilence on Muslims in other part of the world, local Muslims love to avenge that on women and helpless. Even though I attacked one of those goons from behind, I still feel, considering my age (15 yrs), I did a good job. Some of my relatives blamed me for hitting the Muslim goon with an iron rod. I don't know what happened to that woman after that incident. I am sure she didn't lodge any complaint. In India, it is likely that the person who fights for Dharma will be blamed because of minority-appeasement policies by the successive governments. Anyway, I couldn't be traced because I was just a school-going boy then. Sometimes I feel sad because even though I knew what I did was right, I had to move to another city to pursue my education. Now, I don't have any fear because I am confident of tackling such people.
To Salim @ comment 20: You
To Salim @ comment 20:
You wrote: Why did Muhammad ambush unwary people, kill unarmed and defenseless citizens,
While I do not want to challenge the audacity or veracity of the statement since I am not that widely read, however please give me one authentic evidence to support this statement (I mean unequivocal proof, which could not be debated one way or another).
Wagamama says:
•How many a township have we destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, our terror came unto them. (Quran 7.4)
•It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desires (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise. (Quran 8.67)
•And when We would destroy a township We send commandment to its folk who live at ease, and afterward they commit abomination therein, and so the Word (of doom) hath effect for it, and we annihilate it with complete annihilation. (Quran 17.16)
•Allah's Apostle had the date-palm trees of Bani Al-Nadir burnt and cut down at a place called Al-Buwaira. Allah then revealed: "What you cut down of the date-palm trees (of the enemy) Or you left them standing on their stems. It was by Allah's Permission." (Quran 59.5) [Sahih Bukhari 9.59.365]
•Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi: I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair. (Sunan Abu-Dawud 38:4390)
Are you happy with these authentic sources? Even if you discard hadith, you can never discard Quranic verses because if you did so, you aren't considered Muslim anymore.
#8 You did the right thing
#8 You did the right thing (correction, the best).
Again Ali Sina decimates 5 X 0 Donald Duck Drogan!
Now, seriously. Could Mr. Duck share with us how could someone clean the butt islamicstyle?
Would any lackey sugest
Would any lackey sugest Ignobama to take part of Ignobel Prize contest this year?
Rationalist, Easier said
Rationalist,
Easier said than done, but I feel in my heart you did the right thing. I think it is hard for many x-muslims (especially those living in fear) to post on this site, wondering if they can/will be traced, but sometimes the right thing is not the easiest....the one thing that gives me comfort is that I'm not alone and neither are you....even if you were never a Muslim, you still were blamed for standing up for what you knew in your heart was right....I commend you highly....I wish someone had been there with an iron rod to....either knock some sense into me or hit that bastard who attempted to call himself a father, husband and God-fearing Muslim....guess if I was ever taught was hell-fire, I'd fear him, too! Good job, buddy! :)
Free Spirit wrote: "who
Free Spirit wrote:
"who attempted to call himself a father, husband and God-fearing Muslim"
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He was a God-fearing Muslim, thats the reason he treated you exactly the way "his god" has taught him to treat women.
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quote - They tune out others
quote - They tune out others who try to talk to them or ask questions. -quote
That's what you're doing right now Donald. To draw conclusion from your own statement, you also suffer from NPD.
im indonesian,,, and
im indonesian,,, and HALELUYAH i BELONG TO JESUS...
u know i sick of adzan evrytime i heard that!! my neighboorhood become a JESUS, when they realize something uncertainty inside quran.
im gonna use indonesian language and quote ike this "tempatkan muhammad ditempat yang tinggi dan mulia, seperti yang kau janjikan" (you can use google translate)
do you know what its means, their is not certainty that muhammad are going to heaven!!
and my neighboorhood telling to me if muhammad dont have certainty and just have promised from allah, what about us just following muhammad".... he said to me like that.