CAIR Wants to Silence Internet and Talk Radio Critics of Islam

Islam survived up till now because throughout history those who had a stake in its survival managed to stifle any critical assessment of its tenants, doctrines and practices by violence and threats of violence. There is a familiar Muslim saying which states in Arabic ‘Al fikr kufru’’. This translates as ‘Thinking leads to blasphemy”. The Organization of Islamic Countries had earlier tried to pass legislation through the United Nations that incriminates whoever questions their beliefs, never mind that they give themselves a license to denigrate any and all other belief systems. Illegitimatizing the other seems to be the most favorite topic of their so-called Friday sermons at their mosques especially those in the non-Muslim lands. The Muslim organizations in the West are trying to sculpt the world in their image. To them such efforts are merely means to protect their livelihoods and they can quote many verses from their scriptures, which affirm their attitude.

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Indeed CAIR want indeed silence all opposition to Islam. I participated on Facebook on objections made in the rules and respect of the people themselves and never entered political issues as I wanted to remain neutral on the Israeli-Palestinian matters.
I'm almost always held on the issue of Islam itself, the Prophet and the Koran.
I was banned after leaving my last post with this verse:

verse 79: 32: And the mountains hath He firmly fixed - وَالْجِبَالَ أَرْسَاهَا

What does this verse apparently insignificant and practically invisible can do to the criticism?
As you know to the Muslims the Koran is the word of Allah transmitted to Mohammad with the "revelation".
The word of Allah then for Muslims cannot contain errors.
Now with this verse Muhammad shows clearly his own personal interpretation of God, which it would be an Allah ignoring the most basic laws of geology.
Now if the Mohammed’s followers are honest cannot say it is true that Allah has fixed mountains. They risk the ridicule!

I have previously said that Mohammad himself had said that Islam was wrong in saying this:

Muhammad has stated himself that Islam is a false religion!
On the verse 4:82 he say: if Islam was a false religion they will have found discrepancies.
On verse 2:256 he say: There is no compulsion in religion.
and then on verse 4:89 he tell muslims to slay apostates!

But as usual I got vague answers in sight around my assertions.

But with the verse I given before who has made me banished on Facebook Groups, differently from all previous occasions, I didn’t received any response.

By this verse appearing insignificant and then practically invisible because of its apparently banality, this verse become an important nail to deflate the big balloon of Islam.

And all the money spent to promote the “error free” ideology goes in that way to the trash basket.

CAIR and the 57 Islamic States and the empire of Islam will die. Loss of jobs and money is massive. If they used their money for good, it would prove a good thing.
Jews are still here
Christians are still here
Islam's terror
Is to promote fear.

The Infidel's last stand is America.
London is fighting back.
America has to save itself.
The Queen in a burqua, imagine!
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I think that we should put a stop to Islamic criticism. After all, the U.S. is supposed to practice freedom of religion and we should not pursecute those of the Islamic faith. I think we should begin doing this when Saudi Arabia ends their nonsense and intolerance to those of other religions. I think we should put an end to criticism when churches in Egypt can ring their bells loud and clear whether they are two feet from a mosque or two miles. I think we should put an end to it when churches in Pakistan aren't closed and/or burned. I also think we should stop criticism towards Islam when apostates do not have to flea from their homeland for fear of being killed.

Will this ever happen?

Yes, Megha,

I think that we indeed can answer Ibrahim Hooper that we do not only look at individual countries like America or European countries but that we should look all around the world, including the Islamic countries.
And to what happens there concerning the treatment of all religions, not just Islam.

Concerning not only the criticism ON Islam, but also the criticisms OF Islam, that is Muslims, ON other religions. And the treatment of followers of other religions BY Muslims, where THEY have power and majority of the followers of other beliefs. That we then should strive for worldwide equal rules, and only after that is established, or at least that process is underway, should we look at what happens in the free world against Islam. Which anyway is only verbal, in accordance with freedom of speech, in contrast to what happens in Islamic countries.

Marc Latour; The verse about "No compulsion in religion' we are told by FFI that that verse was considered abrogated by influential Islamic schools of thought BY the verse about "slaying the infidels". And about that verse we have had so many discussions on FFI. We heard LondonSpirit, a Muslim, say that it was only meant in the context of war, and to be exact, according to him, the war Muhammad waged against the opponents of his time. But of course FFI did not agree with him.

Islam Watch has a whole list of discrepancies and faults in the Quran. You were so spot, it is supposed to be error-free, without contradictions. And this impossible claim can certainly NOT be upheld after scrutiny.

I know what you mean Demsci when you say "meant in the context of war" but theoretically religions (all) shall talk about everything else but not of war, isn't?
I am glad that influential Islamic schools have abrogated these verses, but fundamentalists are not agree for abrogation of verses written in the Qur'an, as you know Qur'an is the word of Allah for them and no verses can be abrogated. So where is the frontier between moderate Islam and radical Islam? And the big paradox is that moderate Islam is quite to the same "plate of the balance" of infidels! Because in fact they have abrogated what it is suppose to be the word of Allah. So what is Islam now? what is true and what is not true? in other word what is the interpretation of Allah who have said things that can be accepted and other things that have been abrogated? Can we admit a product with a little piece of dynamite located in it to pass at an airport controls for example? Is that product safe to be authorized to be used into a wide scale of users? And who tell that the dangerous part contained in it will not extend to the "safe" part of it one day?

And now to come back to the topic of this forum,

When the people can no longer oppose an ideology, it mean that the nation is gone into dictatorship!

America who by long tradition has always fight dictatorships have saved in the past the most important democracies of the whole World!
If America become a dictatorship, that dictatorship will be spread all over the World.

And ideological attacks (dictatorship ideas) to America are worse for democracy than Sept. 11 attack!

Democracy is not a given thing but it has been obtained by the blood of our ancestors.
Who believe in democracy, whatever the side of the political hemisphere his ideas are located, shall fight all ideologies (whatever they are) where the teachings are not compatible with democracy.

Before we welcome an ideology we must first read what that ideology teaches and then admit (or not) that ideology in the democratic rules like we actually know them.

And of course if that ideology do not contain in it unsafe parts who could be harmful to people who do not agree with that ideology.

Islamophobia is made of 2 words Islam + phobia. Which mean a collective fear of Islam and this word have nothing to do with racism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobia

It is obvious to one who reads the Qur'an and see what is planned for infidels, the word Islamophobia is then justified.

Demsci

If influential Islamic schools have abrogated verses, it doesn't mean that the abrogated verses doesn't exist in the Qur'an, they are if we can say "Just frozen".
So when I say Muhammad has stated himself that Islam is a false religion, this affirmation cant be contested by the 3 verses I given as references.

Islam is a big failed religion. Look how many sects were born from it. Each other fighting like animals.

Raisin,

"Jews are still here
Christians are still here
Islam’s terror
Is to promote fear."

It's the proof that allah is impotent and barbaric god. But you forgot to mention communism.

I live in a relatively small town in Mid-West, USA. In fact the place I live in is called ' village ' as it does not have much population. In this small village we have a mosque with a dome and minarets. Few miles to the east and west, north and south of my ' village ' are other villages with their own mosques and domes and Imams. Every Fridays at noon there are police cars protecting and directing traffic for the muslim worshippers, and there is even an ambulance standing near by in case in the heat of worship and friday sermon by imam some one faints.

Where does the money come from to build these extravegant structures ? who permits their construction ? why don't neighbors object to having mosques built where homes are up scale, in excess of $ 400-750,000 ?

We read that Saudi Arabia in the recent years has spent $ 80 Billion to build mosques, islamic centers and schools, and has established departments for islamic studies in our top universities such as Harvard,Yale, Princtone, Columbia and other universities in the US.

We are fooling ourselves if we think that influence of Islam can be curtailed, specially with an administration which is in Islam's back pocket. In fact it is thought that the Arab money paid for Obama's education, and no wonder he bowed to and kissed the Arabian king's hand.

One wonders if the so called financial melt down before last years presidential election was engineered by Saudi Arabia to insure decimation of the Republican party and making sure that Obama was elected with the majority in both houses of congress. Also in the next few years the Supreme Court will become totally in liberal corner and in Islamic pocket.

While islam is taking over Europe its foothold in US is becoming more and more sure, and frankly the Americans either are so ignorant and don't care or are fast sleep and don't care. While islam is taking over , a growth like cancer, how many churches or synogogs are being built in Saudi Arabia ? you can't even enter the country if you have a Bible on you, or wearing a cross around your neck.

Please read the review of the following book to see what happens to muslims who reject islam & convert to other faiths.

http://www.amazon.com/Dared-Call-Him-Father-Miraculous/dp/0800793242/ref...

Please cheer me up and say my assessment is wrong. Tell me America can fight this disease. Tell me we are not being taken over by such dark evil ideology .

You're absolutely right Parvis, in fact many Muslims today would escape from the totalitarian and unworthy ideology of the modern world we live into, but they have no choice because they often risk their own lives. The paradox is that the much more convinced of that ideology are living in the West, while those who want to escape are living in Muslim countries.
I live in an Eastern European country and today nobody wants to hear about communism when the most convinced communists today live in countries who have not suffered from communism. As you may notice, it is easy to talk about an ideology when we are not immersed in that ideology.
Then we return to the same speech it has been said during communism in Eastern Europe by saying now to Muslims: Do you like Islam? go to live in Islamic countries then, you will surely find your ideal life there!
Often Muslims say that Islam is the best religion!
It's like if a vendor tells you the product is selling is the best product!
You tell him: have you anything else to show me?
And the vendor replies, not because the product I offer to you is the best!
And who says it is the best? you reply
I say it! replies the vendor!
And if you do not buy this product, I kick you on the ass, see I may also kill you! Like I will do that to every salesman who comes here to try to show me another product than that one!
In here I decide what the customer must buy, and not the customer!

.... And I will do the same thing to everyone who actually use the product and have some claims to say about the product they use! say the vendor

... Then you ask the seller: but how do you know that product is indeed the right product?
The seller: is a company that I know and the representative who has supplied to me the product is a man of confidence, I firmly believe in him!
You: But did you made some researches whether to know if he is the man in fact you think?
Seller: of course I did, here is the manual of instructions at number 16.101 is it written that I can change parts of the product while the customer is not even able to notice it, much like the game of three cards with a stone below one of them! Where the stone is pebbles here or there? sorry it is here.
This is exactly the product made for me! like that the client can not talk!
Then the seller put you a knife to your throat and says: So you buy this product or not?

Geology
A mountain is usually produced by the movement of lithospheric plates, either orogenic movement or epeirogenic movement. The compressional forces, isostatic uplift and intrusion of igneous matter forces surface rock upward, creating a landform higher than the surrounding features.

The “Scientific” Qur’an
verse 79: 32: And the mountains hath He firmly fixed - وَالْجِبَالَ أَرْسَاهَا

Here there are 2 possibilities: Or Allah doesn’t know what He say or Muhammad was drunk that day!